People Without Meaningful Lives Seek Power Over Others

[Catrike Ryder]

During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.

https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

[John B.]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.

Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!

Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?

Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".

Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".

And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

[John B.]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

[AMuzi]

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

USA is a Constitutional Republic.

Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus
wake up one morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.

Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

[John B.]

Post by AMuzi

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus
wake up one morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

Yup. And I've in the past used the terms "pseudo democracy" or some
such term. But the term "democracy" is very often used to describe the
U.S. see
https://www.peaceworldwide.org/2023/02/the-truth-about-us-democracy_13.html?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0--CqsiWiAMV5KJmAh3v8iGzEAAYAiAAEgIdpPD_BwE
And living in a foreign I frequency hear the term used to reference
the U.S. Government.

And, I might add, the U.S. has even gone to war to ensure that foreign
countries (well, except for Saudi :-) are democracies... with a
suitably appreciative Leader, of course.

[AMuzi]

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus
wake up one morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

Yup. And I've in the past used the terms "pseudo democracy" or some
such term. But the term "democracy" is very often used to describe the
U.S. see
https://www.peaceworldwide.org/2023/02/the-truth-about-us-democracy_13.html?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0--CqsiWiAMV5KJmAh3v8iGzEAAYAiAAEgIdpPD_BwE
And living in a foreign I frequency hear the term used to reference
the U.S. Government.
And, I might add, the U.S. has even gone to war to ensure that foreign
countries (well, except for Saudi :-) are democracies... with a
suitably appreciative Leader, of course.

Conflating principle with any regime's policy is a sure path
to incoherence if not absurdity.

[cyclintom]

Post by AMuzi

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Penses,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley?s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus
wake up one morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

Yup. And I've in the past used the terms "pseudo democracy" or some
such term. But the term "democracy" is very often used to describe the
U.S. see
https://www.peaceworldwide.org/2023/02/the-truth-about-us-democracy_13.html?gad_source=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI0--CqsiWiAMV5KJmAh3v8iGzEAAYAiAAEgIdpPD_BwE
And living in a foreign I frequency hear the term used to reference
the U.S. Government.
And, I might add, the U.S. has even gone to war to ensure that foreign
countries (well, except for Saudi :-) are democracies... with a
suitably appreciative Leader, of course.

Conflating principle with any regime's policy is a sure path
to incoherence if not absurdity.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

So ending slavery and discrimination which were the founding principles of the Republican party shouldn't be identified with them? I want you to look up Watergate and see what the media did to Nixon. Should I not recognize that being the work of the Democrats?

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.

Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?

And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.

[Catrike Ryder]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:08:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.

Actually, the biggest reason a pure Democracy is wrong is because the
majority can vote to violate the rights of the minority, or as Mr Muzi
said, "two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch."

That could happen, even with a representative government, without the
Constitution.

[John B.]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:39:19 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:08:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.

Actually, the biggest reason a pure Democracy is wrong is because the
majority can vote to violate the rights of the minority, or as Mr Muzi
said, "two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch."
That could happen, even with a representative government, without the
Constitution.

But that was exactly what the original system was intended to do.
Voting was restricted to those that owned property, had completed
military training and maintained his weapons and of course no women
were allowed to vote, nor slaves nor foreigners.

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by John B.
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:39:19 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:08:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.

Actually, the biggest reason a pure Democracy is wrong is because the
majority can vote to violate the rights of the minority, or as Mr Muzi
said, "two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch."
That could happen, even with a representative government, without the
Constitution.

But that was exactly what the original system was intended to do.
Voting was restricted to those that owned property, had completed
military training and maintained his weapons and of course no women
were allowed to vote, nor slaves nor foreigners.

No, it was not the what the original system was intended to do. From
the very beginning the USA was a representative government, which is
not a pure democracy, and there was the Constitution that protected
the rights of the minority voters from abuse by the majority voters.

[John B.]

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 03:42:47 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:39:19 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:08:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.

Actually, the biggest reason a pure Democracy is wrong is because the
majority can vote to violate the rights of the minority, or as Mr Muzi
said, "two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch."
That could happen, even with a representative government, without the
Constitution.

But that was exactly what the original system was intended to do.
Voting was restricted to those that owned property, had completed
military training and maintained his weapons and of course no women
were allowed to vote, nor slaves nor foreigners.

Sorry, I guess I got excited and when I wrote "original system" I was
thinking of Athens in the late 300 B.C. era :-)

Post by Catrike Ryder
No, it was not the what the original system was intended to do. From
the very beginning the USA was a representative government, which is
not a pure democracy, and there was the Constitution that protected
the rights of the minority voters from abuse by the majority voters.

[AMuzi]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus
wake up one morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running
a country as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially
never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the
population to vote on every administrative decision? And can
you imagine how random the votes would be, since very few
voters would understand the context of the issue, or the
consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with
profits at stake to flood the citizens with misinformation,
to buy the result they wanted.

As County welfare departments do.

[cyclintom]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus
wake up one morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running
a country as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially
never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the
population to vote on every administrative decision? And can
you imagine how random the votes would be, since very few
voters would understand the context of the issue, or the
consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with
profits at stake to flood the citizens with misinformation,
to buy the result they wanted.

As County welfare departments do.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Name ONE case of an election being bought except the 2020 election.

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by cyclintom

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus
wake up one morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running
a country as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially
never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the
population to vote on every administrative decision? And can
you imagine how random the votes would be, since very few
voters would understand the context of the issue, or the
consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with
profits at stake to flood the citizens with misinformation,
to buy the result they wanted.

As County welfare departments do.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Name ONE case of an election being bought except the 2020 election.

It seems to me that current administration's free money give away
policy is an attempt to do that. The college student's loan payoffs
with taxpayer money is an example.

[John B.]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 14:11:23 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by cyclintom

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus
wake up one morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running
a country as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially
never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the
population to vote on every administrative decision? And can
you imagine how random the votes would be, since very few
voters would understand the context of the issue, or the
consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with
profits at stake to flood the citizens with misinformation,
to buy the result they wanted.

As County welfare departments do.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Name ONE case of an election being bought except the 2020 election.

It seems to me that current administration's free money give away
policy is an attempt to do that. The college student's loan payoffs
with taxpayer money is an example.

As I've often said, the best way to get elected is to start your
speeches with "If elected I will give you...."

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by John B.
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 14:11:23 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by cyclintom

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus
wake up one morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running
a country as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially
never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the
population to vote on every administrative decision? And can
you imagine how random the votes would be, since very few
voters would understand the context of the issue, or the
consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with
profits at stake to flood the citizens with misinformation,
to buy the result they wanted.

As County welfare departments do.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Name ONE case of an election being bought except the 2020 election.

It seems to me that current administration's free money give away
policy is an attempt to do that. The college student's loan payoffs
with taxpayer money is an example.

As I've often said, the best way to get elected is to start your
speeches with "If elected I will give you...."

Like I said eslewhere, the need to escape poverty has gone on to turn
many people into fat, lazy parasites, and created professional
politicians who cater those lowly individuals.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by cyclintom
Name ONE case of an election being bought except the 2020 election.

How about 1,546 proven cases of voter fraud in the US? I'm not
thrilled with the site, but the Heritage Foundation is sufficiently to
right to make even you happy:
<https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud>

Oh, you want only buying votes:
<https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=All&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=24499>
There's no count, but there are 16 cases per page on 6 pages for a
total of 96 cases. If I limit it to only California, only 4 cases,
all in 2020.
<https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=CA&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=24499>

Gone to the cardiologist who will perform an ultrasound inspection of
my heart and my bank account.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
Name ONE case of an election being bought except the 2020 election.

How about 1,546 proven cases of voter fraud in the US? I'm not
thrilled with the site, but the Heritage Foundation is sufficiently to
<https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud>
<https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?combine=&state=All&year=&case_type=All&fraud_type=24499>
There's no count, but there are 16 cases per page on 6 pages for a
total of 96 cases. If I limit it to only California, only 4 cases,
all in 2020.

For some people, "negligible" is a baffling concept.

[cyclintom]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Since you don't seem to know it, we are NOT a democracy but a democratic republic. Your education continually amazes me for its narrowness.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.

Since you don't seem to know it, we are NOT a democracy but a democratic republic. Your education continually amazes me for its narrowness.

You seem to be (again!) imagining I said something that I didn't.

[cyclintom]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.
--
- Frank Krygowski

How do you buy people off with "misinformation"? Only you are willing to be lied to and believe it. Didn't I tell you about all of this shit from the beginning? Go get another booster.

Why aren't you correcting John's spelling?

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom
Why aren't you correcting John's spelling?

IIRC, John makes just one very consistent spelling mistake. He types
"collage" (i.e. an artistic assembly) when he means "college" (i.e. an
institute of education).

You, Tom, give us entire constellations of misspellings. At least, after
you've had a few drinks.

[cyclintom]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Why aren't you correcting John's spelling?

IIRC, John makes just one very consistent spelling mistake. He types
"collage" (i.e. an artistic assembly) when he means "college" (i.e. an
institute of education).
You, Tom, give us entire constellations of misspellings. At least, after
you've had a few drinks.
--
- Frank Krygowski

You and Flunky make such consistent claims of my driniking when I don't that I can only imagine that you and he are both closet drunks.

I have ONE beer and very rarely two with dinner. I never drink hard liquor and wine only with my younger brother who is an afficianado. I have a case of 15 year old wine in the garage that I bought 2 years ago when a winery was closing. I still have half of that case left. I take a bottle to my brother's and their wives birthdays.

When did you first start drinking? was it the first time the Dean made you remove an 'F' from a good students paper for correcting you?

[John B.]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:08:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.

I grew up in a small New England town and it was governed by a pure
democratic system. We had "Town Meeting Day" where everyone met in the
"Movie Theater" and elected a "Select Man" for the next year. Each
department head had to get up and defend their department's actions
over the previous year and justify any unusual actions planned for
next year.

It's still governed in a similar manner, a 9 man elected City Council
who elect or appoint a City Manager who handles the day to day
programs.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:08:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.

I grew up in a small New England town and it was governed by a pure
democratic system. We had "Town Meeting Day" where everyone met in the
"Movie Theater" and elected a "Select Man" for the next year. Each
department head had to get up and defend their department's actions
over the previous year and justify any unusual actions planned for
next year.
It's still governed in a similar manner, a 9 man elected City Council
who elect or appoint a City Manager who handles the day to day
programs.

If you turn day to day programs over to a city manager and a 9 man
council, ISTM that's not a pure democratic system. Because those folks
are in power, they makes decisions based on what they think is right.

It's not much different than the U.S. electing representatives and
senators.

[John B.]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 22:41:37 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:08:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.

I grew up in a small New England town and it was governed by a pure
democratic system. We had "Town Meeting Day" where everyone met in the
"Movie Theater" and elected a "Select Man" for the next year. Each
department head had to get up and defend their department's actions
over the previous year and justify any unusual actions planned for
next year.
It's still governed in a similar manner, a 9 man elected City Council
who elect or appoint a City Manager who handles the day to day
programs.

If you turn day to day programs over to a city manager and a 9 man
council, ISTM that's not a pure democratic system. Because those folks
are in power, they makes decisions based on what they think is right.
It's not much different than the U.S. electing representatives and
senators.

If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

[AMuzi]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is a
government
in which each and every decision is decided by the voters,
A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

[John B.]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is a
government
in which each and every decision is decided by the voters,
A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

And yet it is/was the normal thing for thousands of years :-)

But read up on the subject and you will find that it wasn't, except in
tiny little societies, a matter of one monarch rather it as a matter
of one monarch supported by sufficient strongmen to dominate the
kingdom.

The Battle of Bosworth shows what happened to
Richard III when Baron Stanley (made Earl of Derby in October), Sir
William Stanley, and Henry Percy, 4th Earl of Northumberland. failed
to support him.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

Albert Einstein: 'Everything should be made as simple as possible, but
not simpler.'

[AMuzi]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is
a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the
voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

Albert Einstein: 'Everything should be made as simple as
possible, but not simpler.'

Sorta subjective, eh?

If I were King I'd advocate monarchy!

Our Constitution, in the cases and times where it's
observed, works pretty well. Good enough for me and we
ought to try that once again. Soon.

[John B.]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is
a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the
voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

Albert Einstein: 'Everything should be made as simple as
possible, but not simpler.'

I was curtness enough to research the Einstein statement, above, and
apparently there is no evidence that he ever said it. The closest
approximation seems to be "It can scarcely be denied that the supreme
goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple
and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate
representation of a single datum of experience".

From a lecture delivered "On the Method of Theoretical Physics" The
Herbert Spencer Lecture, delivered at Oxford (10 June 1933)

Post by AMuzi
If I were King I'd advocate monarchy!
Our Constitution, in the cases and times where it's
observed, works pretty well. Good enough for me and we
ought to try that once again. Soon.

Ah, but then you'd have to give up all those wonderful federal funds.
It's a bit difficult to track down but in one place I found
"Under the American Rescue Plan, Wisconsin will receive $2.5 billion
in direct state fiscal aid and $1.9 billion in local government aid
from the federal government."

So... 4.4 Billion divided by 5.893 million last (census)is something
like 746 for every man, woman and child :-)

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is
a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the
voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

Albert Einstein: 'Everything should be made as simple as
possible, but not simpler.'

I was curtness enough to research the Einstein statement, above, and
apparently there is no evidence that he ever said it. The closest
approximation seems to be "It can scarcely be denied that the supreme
goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple
and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate
representation of a single datum of experience".
From a lecture delivered "On the Method of Theoretical Physics" The
Herbert Spencer Lecture, delivered at Oxford (10 June 1933)

Post by AMuzi
If I were King I'd advocate monarchy!
Our Constitution, in the cases and times where it's
observed, works pretty well. Good enough for me and we
ought to try that once again. Soon.

Ah, but then you'd have to give up all those wonderful federal funds.
It's a bit difficult to track down but in one place I found
"Under the American Rescue Plan, Wisconsin will receive $2.5 billion
in direct state fiscal aid and $1.9 billion in local government aid
from the federal government."
So... 4.4 Billion divided by 5.893 million last (census)is something
like 746 for every man, woman and child :-)

Recipe for inflation.

[John B.]

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 05:02:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is
a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the
voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

Albert Einstein: 'Everything should be made as simple as
possible, but not simpler.'

I was curtness enough to research the Einstein statement, above, and
apparently there is no evidence that he ever said it. The closest
approximation seems to be "It can scarcely be denied that the supreme
goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple
and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate
representation of a single datum of experience".
From a lecture delivered "On the Method of Theoretical Physics" The
Herbert Spencer Lecture, delivered at Oxford (10 June 1933)

Post by AMuzi
If I were King I'd advocate monarchy!
Our Constitution, in the cases and times where it's
observed, works pretty well. Good enough for me and we
ought to try that once again. Soon.

Ah, but then you'd have to give up all those wonderful federal funds.
It's a bit difficult to track down but in one place I found
"Under the American Rescue Plan, Wisconsin will receive $2.5 billion
in direct state fiscal aid and $1.9 billion in local government aid
from the federal government."
So... 4.4 Billion divided by 5.893 million last (census)is something
like 746 for every man, woman and child :-)

Recipe for inflation.

Not "recipe"... today's reality.

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by John B.
On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 05:02:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is
a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the
voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

Albert Einstein: 'Everything should be made as simple as
possible, but not simpler.'

I was curtness enough to research the Einstein statement, above, and
apparently there is no evidence that he ever said it. The closest
approximation seems to be "It can scarcely be denied that the supreme
goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple
and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate
representation of a single datum of experience".
From a lecture delivered "On the Method of Theoretical Physics" The
Herbert Spencer Lecture, delivered at Oxford (10 June 1933)

Post by AMuzi
If I were King I'd advocate monarchy!
Our Constitution, in the cases and times where it's
observed, works pretty well. Good enough for me and we
ought to try that once again. Soon.

Ah, but then you'd have to give up all those wonderful federal funds.
It's a bit difficult to track down but in one place I found
"Under the American Rescue Plan, Wisconsin will receive $2.5 billion
in direct state fiscal aid and $1.9 billion in local government aid
from the federal government."
So... 4.4 Billion divided by 5.893 million last (census)is something
like 746 for every man, woman and child :-)

Recipe for inflation.

Not "recipe"... today's reality.

Indeed, the so called "Inflation Reduction Act" actually increased
inflation.

[AMuzi]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 05:02:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the
voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

Albert Einstein: 'Everything should be made as simple as
possible, but not simpler.'

I was curtness enough to research the Einstein statement, above, and
apparently there is no evidence that he ever said it. The closest
approximation seems to be "It can scarcely be denied that the supreme
goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple
and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate
representation of a single datum of experience".
From a lecture delivered "On the Method of Theoretical Physics" The
Herbert Spencer Lecture, delivered at Oxford (10 June 1933)

Post by AMuzi
If I were King I'd advocate monarchy!
Our Constitution, in the cases and times where it's
observed, works pretty well. Good enough for me and we
ought to try that once again. Soon.

Ah, but then you'd have to give up all those wonderful federal funds.
It's a bit difficult to track down but in one place I found
"Under the American Rescue Plan, Wisconsin will receive $2.5 billion
in direct state fiscal aid and $1.9 billion in local government aid
from the federal government."
So... 4.4 Billion divided by 5.893 million last (census)is something
like 746 for every man, woman and child :-)

Recipe for inflation.

Not "recipe"... today's reality.

Indeed, the so called "Inflation Reduction Act" actually increased
inflation.

Not many Acts of Congress are related to their title except
in satire or despondence.

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 05:02:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the
voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

Albert Einstein: 'Everything should be made as simple as
possible, but not simpler.'

I was curtness enough to research the Einstein statement, above, and
apparently there is no evidence that he ever said it. The closest
approximation seems to be "It can scarcely be denied that the supreme
goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple
and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate
representation of a single datum of experience".
From a lecture delivered "On the Method of Theoretical Physics" The
Herbert Spencer Lecture, delivered at Oxford (10 June 1933)

Post by AMuzi
If I were King I'd advocate monarchy!
Our Constitution, in the cases and times where it's
observed, works pretty well. Good enough for me and we
ought to try that once again. Soon.

Ah, but then you'd have to give up all those wonderful federal funds.
It's a bit difficult to track down but in one place I found
"Under the American Rescue Plan, Wisconsin will receive $2.5 billion
in direct state fiscal aid and $1.9 billion in local government aid
from the federal government."
So... 4.4 Billion divided by 5.893 million last (census)is something
like 746 for every man, woman and child :-)

Recipe for inflation.

Not "recipe"... today's reality.

Indeed, the so called "Inflation Reduction Act" actually increased
inflation.

Not many Acts of Congress are related to their title except
in satire or despondence.

If elected officials told the truth and got accurately reported, they
might not get elected. On the other hand, the fact that so many of the
voting public only care about how many phony friends they have on
social media might render "truth in politics," meaningless.

[John B.]

On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:09:46 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 05:02:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the
voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

Albert Einstein: 'Everything should be made as simple as
possible, but not simpler.'

I was curtness enough to research the Einstein statement, above, and
apparently there is no evidence that he ever said it. The closest
approximation seems to be "It can scarcely be denied that the supreme
goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple
and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate
representation of a single datum of experience".
From a lecture delivered "On the Method of Theoretical Physics" The
Herbert Spencer Lecture, delivered at Oxford (10 June 1933)

Post by AMuzi
If I were King I'd advocate monarchy!
Our Constitution, in the cases and times where it's
observed, works pretty well. Good enough for me and we
ought to try that once again. Soon.

Ah, but then you'd have to give up all those wonderful federal funds.
It's a bit difficult to track down but in one place I found
"Under the American Rescue Plan, Wisconsin will receive $2.5 billion
in direct state fiscal aid and $1.9 billion in local government aid
from the federal government."
So... 4.4 Billion divided by 5.893 million last (census)is something
like 746 for every man, woman and child :-)

Recipe for inflation.

Not "recipe"... today's reality.

Indeed, the so called "Inflation Reduction Act" actually increased
inflation.

It is also called "progress". Wages go up, as a result prices go up
and every cries "Inflation".

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by John B.
On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 08:09:46 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Fri, 30 Aug 2024 05:02:34 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the
voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

Albert Einstein: 'Everything should be made as simple as
possible, but not simpler.'

I was curtness enough to research the Einstein statement, above, and
apparently there is no evidence that he ever said it. The closest
approximation seems to be "It can scarcely be denied that the supreme
goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple
and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate
representation of a single datum of experience".
From a lecture delivered "On the Method of Theoretical Physics" The
Herbert Spencer Lecture, delivered at Oxford (10 June 1933)

Post by AMuzi
If I were King I'd advocate monarchy!
Our Constitution, in the cases and times where it's
observed, works pretty well. Good enough for me and we
ought to try that once again. Soon.

Ah, but then you'd have to give up all those wonderful federal funds.
It's a bit difficult to track down but in one place I found
"Under the American Rescue Plan, Wisconsin will receive $2.5 billion
in direct state fiscal aid and $1.9 billion in local government aid
from the federal government."
So... 4.4 Billion divided by 5.893 million last (census)is something
like 746 for every man, woman and child :-)

Recipe for inflation.

Not "recipe"... today's reality.

Indeed, the so called "Inflation Reduction Act" actually increased
inflation.

It is also called "progress". Wages go up, as a result prices go up
and every cries "Inflation".

Except that wages haven't gone up, at least not nearly as much as
prices have gone up. I don't that's what progress is. The so-called
"Inflation Reduction Act" was all about forcing USAsians to *pay*
tribite to the nonsense about humans causing global warming.

[AMuzi]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is
a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the
voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

Albert Einstein: 'Everything should be made as simple as
possible, but not simpler.'

I was curtness enough to research the Einstein statement, above, and
apparently there is no evidence that he ever said it. The closest
approximation seems to be "It can scarcely be denied that the supreme
goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple
and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate
representation of a single datum of experience".
From a lecture delivered "On the Method of Theoretical Physics" The
Herbert Spencer Lecture, delivered at Oxford (10 June 1933)

Post by AMuzi
If I were King I'd advocate monarchy!
Our Constitution, in the cases and times where it's
observed, works pretty well. Good enough for me and we
ought to try that once again. Soon.

Ah, but then you'd have to give up all those wonderful federal funds.
It's a bit difficult to track down but in one place I found
"Under the American Rescue Plan, Wisconsin will receive $2.5 billion
in direct state fiscal aid and $1.9 billion in local government aid
from the federal government."
So... 4.4 Billion divided by 5.893 million last (census)is something
like 746 for every man, woman and child :-)

Recipe for inflation.

As predicted, among other worse evils.
And here we are.

[AMuzi]

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
If I read you correctly your definition of Democracy is
a government
in which each and every decision is decided by the
voters, A bit
cumbersome, isn't it?

Yes. That was my point.

OK, a kingdom with one unitary monarch is simple.
Simplicity may not be a desirable feature.

Albert Einstein: 'Everything should be made as simple as
possible, but not simpler.'

I was curtness enough to research the Einstein statement, above, and
apparently there is no evidence that he ever said it. The closest
approximation seems to be "It can scarcely be denied that the supreme
goal of all theory is to make the irreducible basic elements as simple
and as few as possible without having to surrender the adequate
representation of a single datum of experience".
From a lecture delivered "On the Method of Theoretical Physics" The
Herbert Spencer Lecture, delivered at Oxford (10 June 1933)

Post by AMuzi
If I were King I'd advocate monarchy!
Our Constitution, in the cases and times where it's
observed, works pretty well. Good enough for me and we
ought to try that once again. Soon.

Ah, but then you'd have to give up all those wonderful federal funds.
It's a bit difficult to track down but in one place I found
"Under the American Rescue Plan, Wisconsin will receive $2.5 billion
in direct state fiscal aid and $1.9 billion in local government aid
from the federal government."
So... 4.4 Billion divided by 5.893 million last (census)is something
like 746 for every man, woman and child :-)

Exactly. Known in political science as 'The Curley Effect",
with devastating results. The beauty of our Constitution is
soiled by much modern practice, with no clear path to a
restoration.

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:08:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.

I grew up in a small New England town and it was governed by a pure
democratic system. We had "Town Meeting Day" where everyone met in the
"Movie Theater" and elected a "Select Man" for the next year. Each
department head had to get up and defend their department's actions
over the previous year and justify any unusual actions planned for
next year.
It's still governed in a similar manner, a 9 man elected City Council
who elect or appoint a City Manager who handles the day to day
programs.

What you describe is a representative democracy. A pure democracy
would be where each individual voting citizen voted on each and every
thing the government did. A pure democracy would also have no
limitations on what the government could do. In a pure democracy you'd
have no rights and a majority vote could force you into slavery.

[John B.]

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 03:40:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:08:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.

I grew up in a small New England town and it was governed by a pure
democratic system. We had "Town Meeting Day" where everyone met in the
"Movie Theater" and elected a "Select Man" for the next year. Each
department head had to get up and defend their department's actions
over the previous year and justify any unusual actions planned for
next year.
It's still governed in a similar manner, a 9 man elected City Council
who elect or appoint a City Manager who handles the day to day
programs.

What you describe is a representative democracy. A pure democracy
would be where each individual voting citizen voted on each and every
thing the government did. A pure democracy would also have no
limitations on what the government could do. In a pure democracy you'd
have no rights and a majority vote could force you into slavery.

But even the blokes that invented the system realized that it wouldn't
work as a pure democracy and the original Greek system included three
divisions.

The ekklesia, or Assembly, the sovereign governing body of Athens. Any
member of the demos—any one of those 40,000 adult male citizens—was
welcome to attend the meetings of the ekklesia, which were held 40
times per year.

The boule, or Council of Five Hundred. The boule was a group of 500
men, 50 from each of ten Athenian tribes, who served on the Council
for one year. Unlike the ekklesia, the boule met every day and did
most of the hands-on work of governance. It supervised government
workers and was in charge of things like navy ships (triremes) and
army horses.

And yhre the popular courts, or dikasteria. Every day, more than 500
jurors were chosen by lot from a pool of male citizens older than 30.

The system failed largely because in times of strife - wars, etc.,
trying to manage things using "committees" doesn't work well so the
strategos, originally elected I believe, if successful, gained power
until Pericles, a leading citizen and successful war leader was
elected strategos which was the beginning of the beginning of The
Athens democracy becoming the Athens Empire.

[AMuzi]

Post by John B.
On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 03:40:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:08:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.
Democracy is something else, for example where the Hutus wake up one
morning and kill the Tutsis. Because they can.
Or more simply, two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch.

There are very logical and practical reasons against running a country
as a pure democracy. That's why its essentially never done.
Even in a small town, can you imagine needing all the population to vote
on every administrative decision? And can you imagine how random the
votes would be, since very few voters would understand the context of
the issue, or the consequences of their choice?
And following the money, it would be easy for those with profits at
stake to flood the citizens with misinformation, to buy the result they
wanted.

I grew up in a small New England town and it was governed by a pure
democratic system. We had "Town Meeting Day" where everyone met in the
"Movie Theater" and elected a "Select Man" for the next year. Each
department head had to get up and defend their department's actions
over the previous year and justify any unusual actions planned for
next year.
It's still governed in a similar manner, a 9 man elected City Council
who elect or appoint a City Manager who handles the day to day
programs.

What you describe is a representative democracy. A pure democracy
would be where each individual voting citizen voted on each and every
thing the government did. A pure democracy would also have no
limitations on what the government could do. In a pure democracy you'd
have no rights and a majority vote could force you into slavery.

But even the blokes that invented the system realized that it wouldn't
work as a pure democracy and the original Greek system included three
divisions.
The ekklesia, or Assembly, the sovereign governing body of Athens. Any
member of the demos—any one of those 40,000 adult male citizens—was
welcome to attend the meetings of the ekklesia, which were held 40
times per year.
The boule, or Council of Five Hundred. The boule was a group of 500
men, 50 from each of ten Athenian tribes, who served on the Council
for one year. Unlike the ekklesia, the boule met every day and did
most of the hands-on work of governance. It supervised government
workers and was in charge of things like navy ships (triremes) and
army horses.
And yhre the popular courts, or dikasteria. Every day, more than 500
jurors were chosen by lot from a pool of male citizens older than 30.
The system failed largely because in times of strife - wars, etc.,
trying to manage things using "committees" doesn't work well so the
strategos, originally elected I believe, if successful, gained power
until Pericles, a leading citizen and successful war leader was
elected strategos which was the beginning of the beginning of The
Athens democracy becoming the Athens Empire.

The Roman Republic ran in to the same problem and, like
Athens, eventually instituted a dictator system. The Senate
selected a man to manage the administration and military in
times of danger, "for the duration". That worked quite well
so long as men of strategic, technical and moral capacity
were available. Cincinnatus is the exemplar of that.

Once society devolved, the abuses multiplied until, just as
Polybios wrote, a self proclaimed emperor took over to
actually manage the state.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"

(23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)

The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections. However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.

[cyclintom]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections. However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections. However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

The video mention 4 methods of counting votes that are considered
fairer by some countries. Watch the video and tell me what you think
of the other methods. I would list them for you, but I need to leave
for a lunchtime meeting.

[cyclintom]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections. However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

The video mention 4 methods of counting votes that are considered
fairer by some countries. Watch the video and tell me what you think
of the other methods. I would list them for you, but I need to leave
for a lunchtime meeting.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Only some stupid jerk like you would complain about the way we had it - you would mark your ballot bring it out and put it in the machine which would show the before and after votes on that machine. The results were NOT hackable and the machines were never on the internet but were returned to the central election center. They were there varified by the two to four people both Democrat and Republican.

The actual vote count you do not consider fair or fairer.

This is precisely why you never got past first base and couldn't get a recommendation for a job.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections. However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College. Am I right?

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections.  However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272      http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann      AE6KS    831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College. Am I right?

P.S. After Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost in the
Electoral College, I heard a British guy give his opinion in an
interview. He said "In my country, the person with the most votes wins.
It's a simple method, but we like it."

[AMuzi]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 20:37:00 -0500, AMuzi

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the
"first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections.  However, there
are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce
better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272      http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann      AE6KS    831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College.
Am I right?

P.S. After Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost in
the Electoral College, I heard a British guy give his
opinion in an interview. He said "In my country, the person
with the most votes wins. It's a simple method, but we like
it."

UK was not formed as a Federal system but rather a Union of
separate kingdoms, each with a different history, ethos and
political forms.

Neither is 'better' but each is better for that nation.

[cyclintom]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 20:37:00 -0500, AMuzi

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the
"first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections. However, there
are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce
better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College.
Am I right?

P.S. After Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost in
the Electoral College, I heard a British guy give his
opinion in an interview. He said "In my country, the person
with the most votes wins. It's a simple method, but we like
it."

UK was not formed as a Federal system but rather a Union of
separate kingdoms, each with a different history, ethos and
political forms.
Neither is 'better' but each is better for that nation.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Frank does not like education being shoved in his face. He does not understand the difference between a plant engineer and a maintenance engineer.

[AMuzi]

Post by cyclintom

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 20:37:00 -0500, AMuzi

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the
"first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections. However, there
are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce
better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College.
Am I right?

P.S. After Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost in
the Electoral College, I heard a British guy give his
opinion in an interview. He said "In my country, the person
with the most votes wins. It's a simple method, but we like
it."

UK was not formed as a Federal system but rather a Union of
separate kingdoms, each with a different history, ethos and
political forms.
Neither is 'better' but each is better for that nation.

Frank does not like education being shoved in his face. He does not understand the difference between a plant engineer and a maintenance engineer.

Well, I assume Plant Engineers designed our modern high
yield food crops so they must know something. But then
again without rigorous maintenance, efficiency in anything
goes all to hell. Somebody has to lay out maintenance
protocols. ARe those Maintenance Engineers?

What was your point again?

[Catrike Ryder]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 14:45:25 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections.  However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272      http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann      AE6KS    831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College. Am I right?

P.S. After Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost in the
Electoral College, I heard a British guy give his opinion in an
interview. He said "In my country, the person with the most votes wins.
It's a simple method, but we like it."

In the USA, the states elect the President. Enough people in the USA
seem to like it that way that it's not likely to change anytime soon.

[cyclintom]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 14:45:25 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections.? However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272????? http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann????? AE6KS??? 831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College. Am I right?

P.S. After Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost in the
Electoral College, I heard a British guy give his opinion in an
interview. He said "In my country, the person with the most votes wins.
It's a simple method, but we like it."

In the USA, the states elect the President. Enough people in the USA
seem to like it that way that it's not likely to change anytime soon.

What might occur is that people with guns are going to look up the people set on changing the Constitution to their own ends.

[cyclintom]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections. However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College. Am I right?

P.S. After Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost in the
Electoral College, I heard a British guy give his opinion in an
interview. He said "In my country, the person with the most votes wins.
It's a simple method, but we like it."
--
- Frank Krygowski

But you're a socialist and like the idea of California and New York electing the President and not the people of the US.

[John B.]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 14:45:25 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections.  However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272      http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann      AE6KS    831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College. Am I right?

P.S. After Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost in the
Electoral College, I heard a British guy give his opinion in an
interview. He said "In my country, the person with the most votes wins.
It's a simple method, but we like it."

But England? England+Wales? is a single country not an association of
separate primarily independent states originally anticipated for the
U.S. As in "United States".

[Roger Merriman]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 14:45:25 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections.  However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272      http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann      AE6KS    831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College. Am I right?

P.S. After Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost in the
Electoral College, I heard a British guy give his opinion in an
interview. He said "In my country, the person with the most votes wins.
It's a simple method, but we like it."

But England? England+Wales? is a single country not an association of
separate primarily independent states originally anticipated for the
U.S. As in "United States".

England and wales are separate countries though Wales never was an
independent country but multiple kingdoms within the area known as wales
which largely covers the area now known as Wales.

Voting was originally landowners and men only and has evolved from that, vs
the American system which appears more designed.

Uk does use different voting methods in different areas etc.

Roger Merriman

[John B.]

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 14:45:25 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections.  However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272      http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann      AE6KS    831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College. Am I right?

P.S. After Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost in the
Electoral College, I heard a British guy give his opinion in an
interview. He said "In my country, the person with the most votes wins.
It's a simple method, but we like it."

But England? England+Wales? is a single country not an association of
separate primarily independent states originally anticipated for the
U.S. As in "United States".

England and wales are separate countries though Wales never was an
independent country but multiple kingdoms within the area known as wales
which largely covers the area now known as Wales.
Voting was originally landowners and men only and has evolved from that, vs
the American system which appears more designed.
Uk does use different voting methods in different areas etc.
Roger Merriman

I thought that Edward I conquered Wales in 1282 and it became an
English territory, ruled by the King and/or some of his Noblemen.
And by the Wales Acts 1535–1542 Wales was effectively incorporated
into the Kingdom of England.

[Roger Merriman]

Post by John B.

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 14:45:25 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections.  However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272      http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann      AE6KS    831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College. Am I right?

P.S. After Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but lost in the
Electoral College, I heard a British guy give his opinion in an
interview. He said "In my country, the person with the most votes wins.
It's a simple method, but we like it."

But England? England+Wales? is a single country not an association of
separate primarily independent states originally anticipated for the
U.S. As in "United States".

England and wales are separate countries though Wales never was an
independent country but multiple kingdoms within the area known as wales
which largely covers the area now known as Wales.
Voting was originally landowners and men only and has evolved from that, vs
the American system which appears more designed.
Uk does use different voting methods in different areas etc.
Roger Merriman

I thought that Edward I conquered Wales in 1282 and it became an
English territory, ruled by the King and/or some of his Noblemen.
And by the Wales Acts 1535–1542 Wales was effectively incorporated
into the Kingdom of England.

It uses the same legal court system though that has changed but was a
separate country as was Ireland and eventually Scotland.

Wales as country was always a defined against England, before that it had
been small kingdoms never the entire country and so on.

Roger Merriman

[cyclintom]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections. However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

Sounds like Tom is not in favor of the Electoral College. Am I right?
--
- Frank Krygowski

Tell us what you think the electoral college is.

[Rolf Mantel]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections. However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

When the ONE MAN with the vote is ME: I decide ;-)

[John B.]

On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 17:06:08 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections. However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

When the ONE MAN with the vote is ME: I decide ;-)

You aren't married, are you :-)

[Rolf Mantel]

Post by John B.
On Thu, 29 Aug 2024 17:06:08 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi
USA is a Constitutional Republic.

"Why Democracy Is Mathematically Impossible"
http://youtu.be/qf7ws2DF-zk (23:03)
(Yes, I know it's a long video)
The US and former British colonies favor the "first-past-the-post"
method of counting votes in elections. However, there are other
counting schemes in use today indended to produce better, fairer or
more rational election results.

Name ONE method fairer than one man and one vote?

When the ONE MAN with the vote is ME: I decide ;-)

You aren't married, are you :-)

The man decides the big things, the woman decides the small things.

Classifying an upcoming decision as big or small is a 'small thing' ;-)

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.

“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.”
--Benjamin Franklin

[AMuzi]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.”
--Benjamin Franklin

That's Tytler, not Franklin. Written well after Mr
Franklin's death.

[John B.]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.”
--Benjamin Franklin

That's Tytler, not Franklin. Written well after Mr
Franklin's death.

Well remember Greese ... There is a limit to how much money you can
borrow (:-(

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.”
--Benjamin Franklin

That's Tytler, not Franklin. Written well after Mr
Franklin's death.

Well remember Greese ... There is a limit to how much money you can
borrow (:-(

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
peoples' money.

Margaret Thatcher

[AMuzi]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.”
--Benjamin Franklin

That's Tytler, not Franklin. Written well after Mr
Franklin's death.

Well remember Greese ... There is a limit to how much money you can
borrow (:-(

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
peoples' money.
Margaret Thatcher

The entire wealth of the nation is $152 trillion.
US government bonds and obligations are $142 trillion, or 93%.

That time will come. And soon.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
peoples' money.
Margaret Thatcher

The entire wealth of the nation is $152 trillion.
US government bonds and obligations are $142 trillion, or 93%.
That time will come. And soon.

The problem with this prediction of doom is that there seems to be
several ways to calculate national debt and GDP (gross domestic
product). Here's one calculation that claims the US is well past the
point where paying our debts is possible:
<https://www.usdebtclock.org>

It's not just the US, but also that most other countries are
over-extended:
<https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html>
Which country will be the first to go under and which ones will remain
afloat the longest?

More interesting is who does the US owe money?
<https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2024/08/the-federal-government-has-borrowed-trillions-but-who-owns-all-that-debt>
2/3 of the US national debt is held by the Federal Reserve. Is the
Federal Reserve going to foreclose on debts owed to themselves?

[AMuzi]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
peoples' money.
Margaret Thatcher

The entire wealth of the nation is $152 trillion.
US government bonds and obligations are $142 trillion, or 93%.
That time will come. And soon.

The problem with this prediction of doom is that there seems to be
several ways to calculate national debt and GDP (gross domestic
product). Here's one calculation that claims the US is well past the
<https://www.usdebtclock.org>
It's not just the US, but also that most other countries are
<https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html>
Which country will be the first to go under and which ones will remain
afloat the longest?
More interesting is who does the US owe money?
<https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2024/08/the-federal-government-has-borrowed-trillions-but-who-owns-all-that-debt>
2/3 of the US national debt is held by the Federal Reserve. Is the
Federal Reserve going to foreclose on debts owed to themselves?

I'm with Herb Stein, "Anything unsustainable will stop".

How and when is why we have news reports for entertainment.

[AMuzi]

Post by AMuzi

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:23:13 -0500, AMuzi

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run
out of other
peoples' money.
Margaret Thatcher

The entire wealth of the nation is $152 trillion.
US government bonds and obligations are $142 trillion, or
93%.
That time will come. And soon.

The problem with this prediction of doom is that there
seems to be
several ways to calculate national debt and GDP (gross
domestic
product).  Here's one calculation that claims the US is
well past the
<https://www.usdebtclock.org>
It's not just the US, but also that most other countries are
<https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html>
Which country will be the first to go under and which ones
will remain
afloat the longest?
More interesting is who does the US owe money?
<https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2024/08/the-federal-government-has-borrowed-trillions-but-who-owns-all-that-debt>
2/3 of the US national debt is held by the Federal
Reserve.  Is the
Federal Reserve going to foreclose on debts owed to
themselves?

I'm with Herb Stein, "Anything unsustainable will stop".
How and when is why we have news reports for entertainment.

further to that:
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With similar ratios in 1946 and today, the late 1940s found
us with the largest industrial base in the world (one of few
intact besides Sweden) in a world desperate to rebuild with
our products. Views of this future are not so bright.

[cyclintom]

Post by AMuzi

Post by AMuzi

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 10:23:13 -0500, AMuzi

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run
out of other
peoples' money.
Margaret Thatcher

The entire wealth of the nation is $152 trillion.
US government bonds and obligations are $142 trillion, or
93%.
That time will come. And soon.

The problem with this prediction of doom is that there
seems to be
several ways to calculate national debt and GDP (gross
domestic
product). Here's one calculation that claims the US is
well past the
<https://www.usdebtclock.org>
It's not just the US, but also that most other countries are
<https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html>
Which country will be the first to go under and which ones
will remain
afloat the longest?
More interesting is who does the US owe money?
<https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2024/08/the-federal-government-has-borrowed-trillions-but-who-owns-all-that-debt>
2/3 of the US national debt is held by the Federal
Reserve. Is the
Federal Reserve going to foreclose on debts owed to
themselves?

I'm with Herb Stein, "Anything unsustainable will stop".
How and when is why we have news reports for entertainment.

https://www.usmoneyreserve.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/56516-home-debt.png
With similar ratios in 1946 and today, the late 1940s found
us with the largest industrial base in the world (one of few
intact besides Sweden) in a world desperate to rebuild with
our products. Views of this future are not so bright.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

They are not so bright purely because taxing our industrialo base to death as the Democrats have done simply moves industry elsewhere. Trump is a major threat to the Democrats because he had STOPPED taxing industry and took money away from the Chinese.

Things CAN be turned around but doing that will make Flunky pay his share and he doesn't like that idea. Not only do I pay my share, but I qm willing to do so to a country that made a high school graduate a successful electronic engineer and made incompetent fools like Liebermann nothing more than a technician and not a very good one at that.

[John B.]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
peoples' money.
Margaret Thatcher

The entire wealth of the nation is $152 trillion.
US government bonds and obligations are $142 trillion, or 93%.
That time will come. And soon.

The problem with this prediction of doom is that there seems to be
several ways to calculate national debt and GDP (gross domestic
product). Here's one calculation that claims the US is well past the
<https://www.usdebtclock.org>
It's not just the US, but also that most other countries are
<https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html>
Which country will be the first to go under and which ones will remain
afloat the longest?
More interesting is who does the US owe money?
<https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2024/08/the-federal-government-has-borrowed-trillions-but-who-owns-all-that-debt>
2/3 of the US national debt is held by the Federal Reserve. Is the
Federal Reserve going to foreclose on debts owed to themselves?

I'm with Herb Stein, "Anything unsustainable will stop".
How and when is why we have news reports for entertainment.

Well (1) you keep devaluating your money... I bought an MG for $1,000
once up on a time :-)

And (2) I believe that you buy more foreign goods than any other
country in the world (for example) Thailand trade with the U.S. in
2022. Imports from the U.S. - $18.6 billion; Exports to the U.S. were
$60.5 billion.

[cyclintom]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
peoples' money.
Margaret Thatcher

The entire wealth of the nation is $152 trillion.
US government bonds and obligations are $142 trillion, or 93%.
That time will come. And soon.

The problem with this prediction of doom is that there seems to be
several ways to calculate national debt and GDP (gross domestic
product). Here's one calculation that claims the US is well past the
<https://www.usdebtclock.org>
It's not just the US, but also that most other countries are
<https://www.usdebtclock.org/world-debt-clock.html>
Which country will be the first to go under and which ones will remain
afloat the longest?
More interesting is who does the US owe money?
<https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2024/08/the-federal-government-has-borrowed-trillions-but-who-owns-all-that-debt>
2/3 of the US national debt is held by the Federal Reserve. Is the
Federal Reserve going to foreclose on debts owed to themselves?
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Liebermann, you are a fool and you deny that I argued with Jellen on this very point. She was clearly insane and her theories have proven to be nothing but smoke and mirrors. I suggest that one of these days you're going to die alone and miserable without anyone listening to your stupid comments.

By the way - Covid-19 deaths are rising entirely in the vaccinated and boosted group just as I predicted. Although I must say that it is taking longer than I expected.

[John B.]

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.”
--Benjamin Franklin

That's Tytler, not Franklin. Written well after Mr
Franklin's death.

Well remember Greese ... There is a limit to how much money you can
borrow (:-(

Errrr Greese should have been "Greece" :-(

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.”
--Benjamin Franklin

That's Tytler, not Franklin. Written well after Mr
Franklin's death.

Many sites list that quote as Franklyn's. Tytler's quote is a bit
different, but says the same thing. At any rate, it seems to an
accurate prediction.

[cyclintom]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pens?es,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley?s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
?When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.?
--Benjamin Franklin

That's Tytler, not Franklin. Written well after Mr
Franklin's death.

Many sites list that quote as Franklyn's. Tytler's quote is a bit
different, but says the same thing. At any rate, it seems to an
accurate prediction.

Well, Krygowski is perfectly happy with the national debt.

[John B.]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pens?es,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley?s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
?When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.?
--Benjamin Franklin

That's Tytler, not Franklin. Written well after Mr
Franklin's death.

Many sites list that quote as Franklyn's. Tytler's quote is a bit
different, but says the same thing. At any rate, it seems to an
accurate prediction.

Well, Krygowski is perfectly happy with the national debt.

Bit Tommy, you are one of the examples why the U.S. is slowly sinking.
You brag about buying cheap Chinese stuff. Every penny you spend on
"cheap Chinese junk" is a penny less in the U.S. economy.

[cyclintom]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Penses,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley?s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
?When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.?
--Benjamin Franklin

That's Tytler, not Franklin. Written well after Mr
Franklin's death.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

You continue to show that you're well read. Flunky doesn't believe that you can learn anything from books.

Today I think that I will take the Fondriest up to Chris Robinson and let him attempt to fix the steering. No matter what I do it remains feeling like the bearings are FAR too tight though I must say that I improved it very much. But it still doesn't steer normally. I have never had a bike like this. I went though 3 forks and 2 headset bearings. No changes.I even made sure that one of the tubes hadn't extended into the head tube and was rubbing against the steering post.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom
Flunky doesn't believe that you can learn anything from books.

Odd. I don't remember him saying anything like that!

Post by cyclintom
Today I think that I will take the Fondriest up to Chris Robinson and let him attempt to fix the steering. No matter what I do it remains feeling like the bearings are FAR too tight though I must say that I improved it very much. But it still doesn't steer normally. I have never had a bike like this. I went though 3 forks and 2 headset bearings. No changes.I even made sure that one of the tubes hadn't extended into the head tube and was rubbing against the steering post.

SO many problems!

[cyclintom]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Flunky doesn't believe that you can learn anything from books.

Odd. I don't remember him saying anything like that!

Post by cyclintom
Today I think that I will take the Fondriest up to Chris Robinson and let him attempt to fix the steering. No matter what I do it remains feeling like the bearings are FAR too tight though I must say that I improved it very much. But it still doesn't steer normally. I have never had a bike like this. I went though 3 forks and 2 headset bearings. No changes.I even made sure that one of the tubes hadn't extended into the head tube and was rubbing against the steering post.

SO many problems!
--
- Frank Krygowski

Then perhaps you missed the part where he thought it funny that I could learn science by reading out three entire non-fiction sections of Oakland libraries? It would appear that your memory is much worse than mine. And from a point of NEVER working in the Telephone industry he denies that "light line" means fiber optics to installers.

IK could write his failings all day long - he has plainly never used a good oscilloscope so he doesn't know why you would use pulse width modulation to measure wire length. He knows how to program but he cannot understand a short program that blinks lights. He canb design digital circuits but you CANNOT program uprocessors without knowing how to program. He doesn't know how A-D or D-A work. But he says he does until you pin him down.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by cyclintom
Then perhaps you missed the part where he thought it funny that I could learn science by reading out three entire non-fiction sections of Oakland libraries?

I think your claim is hilarious:
06/07/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ>
"I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."

How did the "three public libraries" magically morph into "three
entire non-fiction sections of Oakland libraries"? Also, what
happened to the military library you claim to have "read out" whatever
that means? Tom, you really should write down your lies so that you
don't screw up this badly trying to remember them.

Post by cyclintom
... from a point of NEVER working in the Telephone industry he denies that "light line" means fiber optics to installers.

12/23/2021
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/cgRIn7ofDQAJ>
"Do you think that you're impressing people using the term "fiber
optics" when the common term is light lines and even AT&T is using
it?"

Show me where AT&T is using the term "light lines" to refer to fiber
optical cable used for communications (not for decorative
illumination).

Post by cyclintom
he has plainly never used a good oscilloscope so he doesn't know why you would use pulse width modulation to measure wire length.

You've been asked to explain how to use PWM to "test cables" many
times. Nobody asked about measuring wire length.
12/23/2021
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/t0uJbEMbDQAJ>
"I'm not explaining anything to someone so stupid that they don't know
why you use pulse width modulation to measure loses due to line shorts
which is the failure mode of coax."
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/bIkgkvkKDQAJ>
"Using PWM to test extremely long cables is common practice."

[John B.]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
Then perhaps you missed the part where he thought it funny that I could learn science by reading out three entire non-fiction sections of Oakland libraries?

06/07/2022
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/QNPNSofg064/m/Xaamy15iBQAJ>
"I would warrant that I've read more than 20 times more books than you
have. I read out three public libraries, the military library and all
of the books I used to gain the knowledge to become an engineer."
How did the "three public libraries" magically morph into "three
entire non-fiction sections of Oakland libraries"? Also, what
happened to the military library you claim to have "read out" whatever
that means? Tom, you really should write down your lies so that you
don't screw up this badly trying to remember them.

Post by cyclintom
... from a point of NEVER working in the Telephone industry he denies that "light line" means fiber optics to installers.

12/23/2021
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/cgRIn7ofDQAJ>
"Do you think that you're impressing people using the term "fiber
optics" when the common term is light lines and even AT&T is using
it?"
Show me where AT&T is using the term "light lines" to refer to fiber
optical cable used for communications (not for decorative
illumination).

Post by cyclintom
he has plainly never used a good oscilloscope so he doesn't know why you would use pulse width modulation to measure wire length.

You've been asked to explain how to use PWM to "test cables" many
times. Nobody asked about measuring wire length.
12/23/2021
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/t0uJbEMbDQAJ>
"I'm not explaining anything to someone so stupid that they don't know
why you use pulse width modulation to measure loses due to line shorts
which is the failure mode of coax."
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/_1eEehgsDD0/m/bIkgkvkKDQAJ>
"Using PWM to test extremely long cables is common practice."

Re Tommy's "military library". The air force has several types of
Libraries. (1) The public library for readers just like your home town
has. (2) A library of regulations that covers every thing on how to
confirm how many eat supper in the Mess hall to when may a dentist
insist in pulling a tooth. and then there is (3) the vast technical
library that tells you every thing you need to know about any
technical (airplane, truck, whatever, even airport runways) device
that you need fir help in repairing installing removing) any device in
the inventory - I once found a reference for the size bolts to use in
a missile retaining device on a B-52 :-)

So Tommy's claim to have read the military library is akin to saying
that the moon really, truly, IS blue cheese

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Flunky doesn't believe that you can learn anything from books.

Odd. I don't remember him saying anything like that!

Post by cyclintom
Today I think that I will take the Fondriest up to Chris Robinson and let him attempt to fix the steering. No matter what I do it remains feeling like the bearings are FAR too tight though I must say that I improved it very much. But it still doesn't steer normally. I have never had a bike like this. I went though 3 forks and 2 headset bearings. No changes.I even made sure that one of the tubes hadn't extended into the head tube and was rubbing against the steering post.

SO many problems!
--
- Frank Krygowski

Then perhaps you missed the part where he thought it funny that I could learn science by reading out three entire non-fiction sections of Oakland libraries? It would appear that your memory is much worse than mine.

Sorry, Tom. Nobody here believes you "read out" three libraries, nor
that doing so is equivalent to a real education.

As one easy example: Reading the words in a college level physics text
is NOT the same thing as passing a physics course, nor doing the
associated lab activities. To pass the course, you'd be doing tons of
computational homework, which would be necessary practice for passing
exams containing such problems.

We all believe a person can learn from books. We just don't believe you
have learned much; nor that you have done the amount of reading you've
claimed. Our beliefs are based on your posts here, which tend to be full
of nonsense.

[John B.]

On Wed, 28 Aug 2024 08:52:52 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pensées,
Pascal wrote, “I have often said that the sole cause of man’s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.”
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley’s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
“When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.”
--Benjamin Franklin

And was it was Winston Churchill who was said to have commented, "If
you allow some on the dole to vote he will assuredly vote for more
dole" :-)

[cyclintom]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pens?es,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley?s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
?When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.?
--Benjamin Franklin

The manjority of an educated population know better trhan that so they have to destroy education by hiring the mentally handicapped like queers, tranny's and women's "rights" advocates that believe that woman's rights is being able to murder their already born children. We HAVE the solid evidence of doctors doing this. We even have recordings of "social workers" convincing young pregnant women that because they got pregnant that their lives will be over if they don't murder their child.

[John B.]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pens?es,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley?s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
?When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.?
--Benjamin Franklin

The manjority of an educated population know better trhan

that so they have to destroy education by hiring the mentally
handicapped like queers, tranny's and women's "rights" advocates that
believe that woman's rights is being able to murder their already born
children. We HAVE the solid evidence of doctors doing this.

Oh! you mean like doctor Kermit Gosnell, who was convicted of
first-degree murder in the deaths of three babies authorities said
were born alive before having their necks cut with scissors

Or to put it another way... YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
We even have recordings of "social workers" convincing young pregnant
women that because they got pregnant that their lives will be over if
they don't murder their child.

[cyclintom]

Post by cyclintom

Post by cyclintom

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pens?es,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley?s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.

I fear for the future of the USA.
?When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will
herald the end of the republic.?
--Benjamin Franklin

The manjority of an educated population know better trhan

that so they have to destroy education by hiring the mentally
handicapped like queers, tranny's and women's "rights" advocates that
believe that woman's rights is being able to murder their already born
children. We HAVE the solid evidence of doctors doing this.
Oh! you mean like doctor Kermit Gosnell, who was convicted of
first-degree murder in the deaths of three babies authorities said
were born alive before having their necks cut with scissors
Or to put it another way... YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
We even have recordings of "social workers" convincing young pregnant
women that because they got pregnant that their lives will be over if
they don't murder their child.
--
Cheers,
John B.

John, please don't talk about things you don't understand. There is a VAST difference between actually murdering a baby and simply leaving a new born alone in a cold room to freeze to death.

[cyclintom]

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 10:11:31 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by John B.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2024 06:03:43 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pens?es,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

I think that the comment " Ridley?s description of the grinding
poverty of the average person just a few centuries ago". Disregarding
the word "grinding" the difference between living when I was a lad and
living today show the same, rather great, differences. For example. We
lived a few yards short of 1 mile from the school - grade 1 through 3.
so I wasn't allowed to ride the school bus because the school bus was
for those that lived "more then 1 mile from the school". So from, the
age of six I walked a mile (less a few yards) to school, and home,
each day.
Most people in town walked a mile, or so, to work and home.Of course
most of them had a auto but why would one drive a car to work? It's
only a few minute's walk and the price of gasoline!
Cars were for Sunday afternoon after church when one might make a
short trip in their going Church clothes before Sunday Dinner. After
all. If one had a car one wanted the neighbors to know it, didn't one?
Generally, married women didn't work... "you mean you let your
daughter marry a man that couldn't support her?".
Not working, "being on the town", meaning you were on the dole and was
something to be ashamed of. I can still remember my mother telling me,
"don't play with those kids, they are on the town".
And, the strangest thing... we didn't realize how cruelly we were
being oppressed :-)

What a shame that mankind's drive to escape poverty has now turned so
many of them into fat, lazy parasites. What a shame that so many
politicians cater to those lowly individuals.

Ah, Timmy is a bit off target. You see Tommy you live in a country
that prides itself on being a "democracy" and in a democracy
politicians listen to those that will vote for them.
--
Cheers,
John B.

There you go again John, showing clear signs of dementia. I did not write that. I hadn't even posted on that subject until just now you sick old man.

[cyclintom]

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pens?es,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

Facebook made it impossible for me to access my account because I had a lot of followers that listened to my warnings about the deep state.

As usual, Mark Zuckerberg, admitted and appologized for his outright banning or closing accounts while Krygowski, Liebermann and Flunky said that it wasn't so. Zuckerberg also stated that he did it only at the prompting of the Whitehouse which committed a felony for a direct attack on Freedom of Speech. The stupid three claim that it wasn't so. They lied because they pretended knowledge that they didn't have and couldn't have.

Zuckerberg should STILL lose his protection under 501(c)(3) that the stupid 3 don't understand and hence think it doesn't pertain to Zuckerberg.

The far leftists like Zuckerberg fear that they may loose their tax protection because it is becoming more and more clear that no one is going to vote for Harris except Lievermann, Flunky and Krygowski.

These three supported the incredible inflation and the growth of the National Debt that cannot now be controlled except by extraordinary measures. Zuckerberg loved the idea that lower middle class people should pay his taxes and that they should be reduced to near or at poverty by open borders and wild inflation that has been grossly underreported simply by using items not used as measures of inflation.

[AMuzi]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pens?es,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

Facebook made it impossible for me to access my account because I had a lot of followers that listened to my warnings about the deep state.
As usual, Mark Zuckerberg, admitted and appologized for his outright banning or closing accounts while Krygowski, Liebermann and Flunky said that it wasn't so. Zuckerberg also stated that he did it only at the prompting of the Whitehouse which committed a felony for a direct attack on Freedom of Speech. The stupid three claim that it wasn't so. They lied because they pretended knowledge that they didn't have and couldn't have.
Zuckerberg should STILL lose his protection under 501(c)(3) that the stupid 3 don't understand and hence think it doesn't pertain to Zuckerberg.
The far leftists like Zuckerberg fear that they may loose their tax protection because it is becoming more and more clear that no one is going to vote for Harris except Lievermann, Flunky and Krygowski.
These three supported the incredible inflation and the growth of the National Debt that cannot now be controlled except by extraordinary measures. Zuckerberg loved the idea that lower middle class people should pay his taxes and that they should be reduced to near or at poverty by open borders and wild inflation that has been grossly underreported simply by using items not used as measures of inflation.

As I noted previously, Meta Platforms Inc is a publicly
traded C corp which pays both taxes and dividends. It is not
a non profit charitable or educational entity for tax purposes.

https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/META/dividends/dividend-growth

[cyclintom]

Post by AMuzi

Post by cyclintom

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pens?es,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

Facebook made it impossible for me to access my account because I had a lot of followers that listened to my warnings about the deep state.
As usual, Mark Zuckerberg, admitted and appologized for his outright banning or closing accounts while Krygowski, Liebermann and Flunky said that it wasn't so. Zuckerberg also stated that he did it only at the prompting of the Whitehouse which committed a felony for a direct attack on Freedom of Speech. The stupid three claim that it wasn't so. They lied because they pretended knowledge that they didn't have and couldn't have.
Zuckerberg should STILL lose his protection under 501(c)(3) that the stupid 3 don't understand and hence think it doesn't pertain to Zuckerberg.
The far leftists like Zuckerberg fear that they may loose their tax protection because it is becoming more and more clear that no one is going to vote for Harris except Lievermann, Flunky and Krygowski.
These three supported the incredible inflation and the growth of the National Debt that cannot now be controlled except by extraordinary measures. Zuckerberg loved the idea that lower middle class people should pay his taxes and that they should be reduced to near or at poverty by open borders and wild inflation that has been grossly underreported simply by using items not used as measures of inflation.

As I noted previously, Meta Platforms Inc is a publicly
traded C corp which pays both taxes and dividends. It is not
a non profit charitable or educational entity for tax purposes.
https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/META/dividends/dividend-growth
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Facebook is a registered non-profit as a "publisher" which offers, supposedly, a public good. The reason that Facebook simply didn't allow me to regain access to my accounr was the fact that I had thousands of followers that mostly agreed with my position. So they forced me to open a new account and start from scratch. Zuckerberg has admitted that he followed the prompting of the Biden administration and called ANY questioing of the party line as "disinformation" and censored it. Usually killing the accounts like that of Dr. John Campbell who early on discovered the extreme dangers of the mRNA vaccines that are STILL being recommended for 6 month old babies in the USA.

Also remember that the most profitable churches are considered 501(c)(3) charities.

[AMuzi]

Post by cyclintom

Post by AMuzi

Post by cyclintom

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pens?es,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

Facebook made it impossible for me to access my account because I had a lot of followers that listened to my warnings about the deep state.
As usual, Mark Zuckerberg, admitted and appologized for his outright banning or closing accounts while Krygowski, Liebermann and Flunky said that it wasn't so. Zuckerberg also stated that he did it only at the prompting of the Whitehouse which committed a felony for a direct attack on Freedom of Speech. The stupid three claim that it wasn't so. They lied because they pretended knowledge that they didn't have and couldn't have.
Zuckerberg should STILL lose his protection under 501(c)(3) that the stupid 3 don't understand and hence think it doesn't pertain to Zuckerberg.
The far leftists like Zuckerberg fear that they may loose their tax protection because it is becoming more and more clear that no one is going to vote for Harris except Lievermann, Flunky and Krygowski.
These three supported the incredible inflation and the growth of the National Debt that cannot now be controlled except by extraordinary measures. Zuckerberg loved the idea that lower middle class people should pay his taxes and that they should be reduced to near or at poverty by open borders and wild inflation that has been grossly underreported simply by using items not used as measures of inflation.

As I noted previously, Meta Platforms Inc is a publicly
traded C corp which pays both taxes and dividends. It is not
a non profit charitable or educational entity for tax purposes.
https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/META/dividends/dividend-growth

Facebook is a registered non-profit as a "publisher" which offers, supposedly, a public good. The reason that Facebook simply didn't allow me to regain access to my accounr was the fact that I had thousands of followers that mostly agreed with my position. So they forced me to open a new account and start from scratch. Zuckerberg has admitted that he followed the prompting of the Biden administration and called ANY questioing of the party line as "disinformation" and censored it. Usually killing the accounts like that of Dr. John Campbell who early on discovered the extreme dangers of the mRNA vaccines that are STILL being recommended for 6 month old babies in the USA.
Also remember that the most profitable churches are considered 501(c)(3) charities.

You're accusing every financial reporting and analysis
entity of inventing Meta Platforms Inc stock dividends?

[cyclintom]

Post by AMuzi

Post by cyclintom

Post by AMuzi

Post by cyclintom

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pens?es,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

Facebook made it impossible for me to access my account because I had a lot of followers that listened to my warnings about the deep state.
As usual, Mark Zuckerberg, admitted and appologized for his outright banning or closing accounts while Krygowski, Liebermann and Flunky said that it wasn't so. Zuckerberg also stated that he did it only at the prompting of the Whitehouse which committed a felony for a direct attack on Freedom of Speech. The stupid three claim that it wasn't so. They lied because they pretended knowledge that they didn't have and couldn't have.
Zuckerberg should STILL lose his protection under 501(c)(3) that the stupid 3 don't understand and hence think it doesn't pertain to Zuckerberg.
The far leftists like Zuckerberg fear that they may loose their tax protection because it is becoming more and more clear that no one is going to vote for Harris except Lievermann, Flunky and Krygowski.
These three supported the incredible inflation and the growth of the National Debt that cannot now be controlled except by extraordinary measures. Zuckerberg loved the idea that lower middle class people should pay his taxes and that they should be reduced to near or at poverty by open borders and wild inflation that has been grossly underreported simply by using items not used as measures of inflation.

As I noted previously, Meta Platforms Inc is a publicly
traded C corp which pays both taxes and dividends. It is not
a non profit charitable or educational entity for tax purposes.
https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/META/dividends/dividend-growth

Facebook is a registered non-profit as a "publisher" which offers, supposedly, a public good. The reason that Facebook simply didn't allow me to regain access to my accounr was the fact that I had thousands of followers that mostly agreed with my position. So they forced me to open a new account and start from scratch. Zuckerberg has admitted that he followed the prompting of the Biden administration and called ANY questioing of the party line as "disinformation" and censored it. Usually killing the accounts like that of Dr. John Campbell who early on discovered the extreme dangers of the mRNA vaccines that are STILL being recommended for 6 month old babies in the USA.
Also remember that the most profitable churches are considered 501(c)(3) charities.

You're accusing every financial reporting and analysis
entity of inventing Meta Platforms Inc stock dividends?
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I don't understans your statement. YES\, the shareholders have to pay their individual income taxes on realized profits, as a PUBLISHER Facebook qualifies for tax exemptions that can be taken away if it is proven that he instead of being a publisher (giving full freedom of speech for which Facebook bares no legal responsibility) has instead used the platform for political actions and NOT freedom of speech.

Why in the hell do you suppose Zuckerberg is suddenly blaming everyone but himself?

[Shadow]

Post by cyclintom
The far leftists like Zuckerberg

Far rightist you mean? Must have been a typo.

Far left = The government owns all property, and everyone is a
civil servant. I really can't imagine "They trust me, the stupid fsks"
believing in that.

Far right = Big companies, banks, mega-media, billionaires etc
decide who is going to rule the country. If someone is put in power
though lobbies, he's not representing the people of the country, he
represents who bought him.

Neither are democracies.

There are very few democracies left. Uruguay maybe?
[]'s

[AMuzi]

Post by cyclintom

Post by AMuzi

Post by cyclintom

Post by AMuzi

Post by cyclintom

Post by Catrike Ryder
During the reign of Louis XIV, French mathematician and philosopher
Blaise Pascal diagnosed why some lust for power. In his Pens?es,
Pascal wrote, ?I have often said that the sole cause of man?s
unhappiness is that he does not know how to stay quietly in his room.?
Pascal explained that, out of the inability to sit alone, arises the
human tendency to seek power as a diversion.
https://intellectualtakeout.org/2024/08/people-without-meaningful-lives-seek-power/

Facebook made it impossible for me to access my account because I had a lot of followers that listened to my warnings about the deep state.
As usual, Mark Zuckerberg, admitted and appologized for his outright banning or closing accounts while Krygowski, Liebermann and Flunky said that it wasn't so. Zuckerberg also stated that he did it only at the prompting of the Whitehouse which committed a felony for a direct attack on Freedom of Speech. The stupid three claim that it wasn't so. They lied because they pretended knowledge that they didn't have and couldn't have.
Zuckerberg should STILL lose his protection under 501(c)(3) that the stupid 3 don't understand and hence think it doesn't pertain to Zuckerberg.
The far leftists like Zuckerberg fear that they may loose their tax protection because it is becoming more and more clear that no one is going to vote for Harris except Lievermann, Flunky and Krygowski.
These three supported the incredible inflation and the growth of the National Debt that cannot now be controlled except by extraordinary measures. Zuckerberg loved the idea that lower middle class people should pay his taxes and that they should be reduced to near or at poverty by open borders and wild inflation that has been grossly underreported simply by using items not used as measures of inflation.

As I noted previously, Meta Platforms Inc is a publicly
traded C corp which pays both taxes and dividends. It is not
a non profit charitable or educational entity for tax purposes.
https://seekingalpha.com/symbol/META/dividends/dividend-growth

Facebook is a registered non-profit as a "publisher" which offers, supposedly, a public good. The reason that Facebook simply didn't allow me to regain access to my accounr was the fact that I had thousands of followers that mostly agreed with my position. So they forced me to open a new account and start from scratch. Zuckerberg has admitted that he followed the prompting of the Biden administration and called ANY questioing of the party line as "disinformation" and censored it. Usually killing the accounts like that of Dr. John Campbell who early on discovered the extreme dangers of the mRNA vaccines that are STILL being recommended for 6 month old babies in the USA.
Also remember that the most profitable churches are considered 501(c)(3) charities.

You're accusing every financial reporting and analysis
entity of inventing Meta Platforms Inc stock dividends?

I don't understans your statement. YES\, the shareholders have to pay their individual income taxes on realized profits, as a PUBLISHER Facebook qualifies for tax exemptions that can be taken away if it is proven that he instead of being a publisher (giving full freedom of speech for which Facebook bares no legal responsibility) has instead used the platform for political actions and NOT freedom of speech.
Why in the hell do you suppose Zuckerberg is suddenly blaming everyone but himself?

There is no such exemption for Meta Platforms Inc. They
make money, pay dividends and do indeed file their 1120s and
pay what's owed.

Read Mr Zuckerberg's very carefully written (written by a
very good attorney) statement. He made absolutely clear
that Meta Platforms was not acting as an agent of the
government or advancing administration policy which would
open them to a few bazillion 1st Amendment lawsuits. He
wrote 'we made these decisions' more than once.

Many of those reading between the lines feel he was indeed
implementing administration policy in direct violation of
our 1st Amendment. This is interpretive; YMMV.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom
Facebook made it impossible for me to access my account because I had a lot of followers that listened to my warnings about the deep state.
As usual, Mark Zuckerberg, admitted and appologized for his outright banning or closing accounts while Krygowski, Liebermann and Flunky said that it wasn't so. Zuckerberg also stated that he did it only at the prompting of the Whitehouse which committed a felony for a direct attack on Freedom of Speech. The stupid three claim that it wasn't so. They lied because they pretended knowledge that they didn't have and couldn't have.

Wow! Tom lives in Fantasyland! :-)

I wonder how soon he'll post good evidence of his claims. Come on, Tom,
the clock's running!