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China clamps down on those damned bicyclists
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AMuzi
2024-11-20 15:27:31 UTC
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Shadow
2024-11-20 17:22:00 UTC
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"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."

What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
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AMuzi
2024-11-20 17:47:52 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
Rental fleets like this:
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works

Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution

(photos!)

A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
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Mark J cleary
2024-11-20 18:17:06 UTC
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Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
    What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
    []'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white bike' share
system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted white with directions
printed, anyone could ride one, park it in a public area and leave it
for the next person to use. That actually worked for Nederlanders for a
time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-
who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my city in 1971 (I
worked on that and built/painted many bikes from used/scrap).  They were
mostly pulled from the lake a year later, with the rest completely
disappeared. Different culture I suppose.
America at it best right?
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AMuzi
2024-11-20 19:18:56 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
    What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from
the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
    []'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to
use. That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-
dutch-anarchists- who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many
bikes from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the
lake a year later, with the rest completely disappeared.
Different culture I suppose.
America at it best right?
Well, in fairness, culture hasn't done all that well in
other countries either lately. The formerly quiet Dutch are
beating Jews in the streets like it's 1940. Or New York in 2024.
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Shadow
2024-11-20 23:22:21 UTC
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Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
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Catrike Ryder
2024-11-20 23:39:48 UTC
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Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
zen cycle
2024-11-21 10:30:52 UTC
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Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
To bad the vast majority of people, especially in this forum - have
absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and instead apply nly what
their right-wing echo chambers tell them that it is and constantly
conflate socialism with fascist dictatorships.

yeah yeah, we know, "socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried",
right dumbass?
Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman
AMuzi
2024-11-21 13:41:40 UTC
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Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
    What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from
the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
    []'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to
use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-
dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
    I had no idea anything like that existed. What an
amazing
project.
    Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND
his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
    If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing,
I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the
concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a
"bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
To bad the vast majority of people, especially in this forum
- have absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and
instead apply nly what their right-wing echo chambers tell
them that it is and constantly conflate socialism with
fascist dictatorships.
yeah yeah, we know, "socialism has failed everywhere it's
been tried", right dumbass?
Post by Catrike Ryder
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C'est bon
Soloman
To which the faithful reply, "Lenin didn't fully understand
it or apply the principles correctly. Nor Hoxha, Mao,
Stalin, Kim Il Sung, PolPot... "
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Rolf Mantel
2024-11-21 13:49:41 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
    What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
    []'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the- dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
    I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
    Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
    If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
To bad the vast majority of people, especially in this forum - have
absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and instead apply nly what
their right-wing echo chambers tell them that it is and constantly
conflate socialism with fascist dictatorships.
yeah yeah, we know, "socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried",
right dumbass?
To which the faithful reply, "Lenin didn't fully understand it or apply
the principles correctly. Nor Hoxha, Mao, Stalin, Kim Il Sung, PolPot... "
this is as trivially true as the fact that Hitler or Franco did not
fully apply the principles of democracy correctly.
AMuzi
2024-11-21 13:51:41 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
    What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging
from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
    []'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one,
park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person
to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/
the- dutch- anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-
revolution
(photos!)
    I had no idea anything like that existed. What an
amazing
project.
    Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND
his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many
bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the
lake a
Post by AMuzi
year later, with the rest completely disappeared.
Different
culture I suppose.
    If people are taught that socialism is a "bad"
thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand
the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a
"bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
To bad the vast majority of people, especially in this
forum - have absolutely no concept of what socialism is,
and instead apply nly what their right-wing echo chambers
tell them that it is and constantly conflate socialism
with fascist dictatorships.
yeah yeah, we know, "socialism has failed everywhere it's
been tried", right dumbass?
To which the faithful reply, "Lenin didn't fully
understand it or apply the principles correctly. Nor
Hoxha, Mao, Stalin, Kim Il Sung, PolPot... "
this is as trivially true as the fact that Hitler or Franco
did not fully apply the principles of democracy correctly.
Great example of the extreme ideologies of the National
Socialist Party and its adherents.
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-21 13:58:00 UTC
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Post by Rolf Mantel
Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
    What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
    []'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the- dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
    I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
    Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
    If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
To bad the vast majority of people, especially in this forum - have
absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and instead apply nly what
their right-wing echo chambers tell them that it is and constantly
conflate socialism with fascist dictatorships.
yeah yeah, we know, "socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried",
right dumbass?
To which the faithful reply, "Lenin didn't fully understand it or apply
the principles correctly. Nor Hoxha, Mao, Stalin, Kim Il Sung, PolPot... "
this is as trivially true as the fact that Hitler or Franco did not
fully apply the principles of democracy correctly.
Communalism (not necessarily Communism) in all forms, religious,
social, or governmental, requires force, implied or real, to keep the
members in line.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 14:13:44 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 14:49:41 +0100, Rolf Mantel
Post by Rolf Mantel
Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
    What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
    []'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the- dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
    I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
    Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
    If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
To bad the vast majority of people, especially in this forum - have
absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and instead apply nly what
their right-wing echo chambers tell them that it is and constantly
conflate socialism with fascist dictatorships.
yeah yeah, we know, "socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried",
right dumbass?
To which the faithful reply, "Lenin didn't fully understand it or apply
the principles correctly. Nor Hoxha, Mao, Stalin, Kim Il Sung, PolPot... "
this is as trivially true as the fact that Hitler or Franco did not
fully apply the principles of democracy correctly.
Communalism (not necessarily Communism) in all forms, religious,
social, or governmental, requires force, implied or real, to keep the
members in line.
no, it doesn't

"too bad the vast majority of people - especially in this forum - have
absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and instead apply only what
their right-wing echo chambers tell them that it is and constantly
conflate socialism with fascist dictatorships."

Q.E.D.
Post by Catrike Ryder
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Soloman
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Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 14:14:14 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
    What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
    []'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the- dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
    I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
    Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
    If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
To bad the vast majority of people, especially in this forum - have
absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and instead apply nly what
their right-wing echo chambers tell them that it is and constantly
conflate socialism with fascist dictatorships.
yeah yeah, we know, "socialism has failed everywhere it's been tried",
right dumbass?
Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman
To which the faithful reply, "Lenin didn't fully understand it or apply
the principles correctly. Nor Hoxha, Mao, Stalin, Kim Il Sung, PolPot... "
"too bad the vast majority of people - especially in this forum - have
absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and instead apply only what
their right-wing echo chambers tell them that it is and constantly
conflate socialism with fascist dictatorships."

Q.E.D.
--
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Frank Krygowski
2024-11-21 16:02:11 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
"too bad the vast majority of people - especially in this forum - have
absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and instead apply only what
their right-wing echo chambers tell them that it is and constantly
conflate socialism with fascist dictatorships."
I'd love to see certain people here produce a list of countries ranked
by how "socialist" they think they are. It will never happen, of course,
because when the word "socialist" enters their brain, their brain
switches off.

The most astonishing point to me is that people pretend the U.S. health
care system is somehow better than the "socialized" medical systems of
essentially every other prosperous country. They defend this country's
world record costs and comparatively dismal results because, um,
"FREEDOM!" and out of terror of socialism.

To me, that's just one blatant example of a disconnect. Maybe a worse
one is the huge lower middle class, suffering economically, voting to
give national power to an administration dedicated to removing support
systems and funneling money and control to oligarchs.
--
- Frank Krygowski
AMuzi
2024-11-21 16:12:31 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
"too bad the vast majority of people - especially in this
forum - have
absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and instead
apply only what
their right-wing echo chambers tell them that it is and
constantly conflate socialism with fascist dictatorships."
I'd love to see certain people here produce a list of
countries ranked by how "socialist" they think they are. It
will never happen, of course, because when the word
"socialist" enters their brain, their brain switches off.
The most astonishing point to me is that people pretend the
U.S. health care system is somehow better than the
"socialized" medical systems of essentially every other
prosperous country. They defend this country's world record
costs and comparatively dismal results because, um,
"FREEDOM!" and out of terror of socialism.
To me, that's just one blatant example of a disconnect.
Maybe a worse one is the huge lower middle class, suffering
economically, voting to give national power to an
administration dedicated to removing support systems and
funneling money and control to oligarchs.
You may have expected disagreement but certainly none from me!

The current US system may be more properly aligned to
Fascism than any other simple description. It's excessively
manipulated/mandated/micromanaged by the regime in the best
sense of socialist regulation, while its agencies and
bureaus shovel huge profits to friendly entities whose
personnel revolve in and out of those agencies, making rules
they prefer. Mussolini could not have designed it better.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Mark J cleary
2024-11-21 21:25:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by Zen Cycle
"too bad the vast majority of people - especially in this forum - have
absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and instead apply only what
their right-wing echo chambers tell them that it is and constantly
conflate socialism with fascist dictatorships."
I'd love to see certain people here produce a list of countries ranked
by how "socialist" they think they are. It will never happen, of
course, because when the word "socialist" enters their brain, their
brain switches off.
The most astonishing point to me is that people pretend the U.S.
health care system is somehow better than the "socialized" medical
systems of essentially every other prosperous country. They defend
this country's world record costs and comparatively dismal results
because, um, "FREEDOM!" and out of terror of socialism.
To me, that's just one blatant example of a disconnect. Maybe a worse
one is the huge lower middle class, suffering economically, voting to
give national power to an administration dedicated to removing support
systems and funneling money and control to oligarchs.
You may have expected disagreement but certainly none from me!
The current US system may be more properly aligned to Fascism than any
other simple description.  It's excessively manipulated/mandated/
micromanaged by the regime in the best sense of socialist regulation,
while its agencies and bureaus shovel huge profits to friendly entities
whose personnel revolve in and out of those agencies, making rules they
prefer.  Mussolini could not have designed it better.
Exactly what it is Andrew. Call it what it is.
--
Deacon Mark
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-21 22:10:58 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 15:25:33 -0600, Mark J cleary
Post by Mark J cleary
Post by AMuzi
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by Zen Cycle
"too bad the vast majority of people - especially in this forum - have
absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and instead apply only what
their right-wing echo chambers tell them that it is and constantly
conflate socialism with fascist dictatorships."
I'd love to see certain people here produce a list of countries ranked
by how "socialist" they think they are. It will never happen, of
course, because when the word "socialist" enters their brain, their
brain switches off.
The most astonishing point to me is that people pretend the U.S.
health care system is somehow better than the "socialized" medical
systems of essentially every other prosperous country. They defend
this country's world record costs and comparatively dismal results
because, um, "FREEDOM!" and out of terror of socialism.
To me, that's just one blatant example of a disconnect. Maybe a worse
one is the huge lower middle class, suffering economically, voting to
give national power to an administration dedicated to removing support
systems and funneling money and control to oligarchs.
You may have expected disagreement but certainly none from me!
The current US system may be more properly aligned to Fascism than any
other simple description.  It's excessively manipulated/mandated/
micromanaged by the regime in the best sense of socialist regulation,
while its agencies and bureaus shovel huge profits to friendly entities
whose personnel revolve in and out of those agencies, making rules they
prefer.  Mussolini could not have designed it better.
Exactly what it is Andrew. Call it what it is.
With so many people being unhappy with the system, why isn't there a
huge movement to change the system?

Oh wait.....

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Shadow
2024-11-21 23:39:27 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:10:58 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
With so many people being unhappy with the system, why isn't there a
huge movement to change the system?
Oh wait.....
.... social media has that covered...(thanks Musk, Zukerberg,
Sergey Brin etc)
Anyone wanting to restore a democracy in the US will probably
end up in Guantanamo. And under a "secret court order"
[]'s

PS "secret court orders" only exist in dictatorships.
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-21 23:58:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Shadow
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:10:58 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
With so many people being unhappy with the system, why isn't there a
huge movement to change the system?
Oh wait.....
.... social media has that covered...(thanks Musk, Zukerberg,
Sergey Brin etc)
Anyone wanting to restore a democracy in the US will probably
end up in Guantanamo. And under a "secret court order"
[]'s
PS "secret court orders" only exist in dictatorships.
I think the Musk version of social media was a breath of fresh air...
make that a breath of free speech.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
2024-11-22 10:07:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:10:58 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
With so many people being unhappy with the system, why isn't there a
huge movement to change the system?
Oh wait.....
.... social media has that covered...(thanks Musk, Zukerberg,
Sergey Brin etc)
Anyone wanting to restore a democracy in the US will probably
end up in Guantanamo. And under a "secret court order"
[]'s
PS "secret court orders" only exist in dictatorships.
I think the Musk version of social media was a breath of fresh air...
make that a breath of free speech.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
People clearly think not as X has lost both numbers and active folks over
Twitter, has seemed to have alienated the advertisers, as it’s become a
fairly toxic environment.

With Musk there is this myth he knows what he’s doing as is brilliant.

Roger Merriman
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-22 11:11:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:10:58 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
With so many people being unhappy with the system, why isn't there a
huge movement to change the system?
Oh wait.....
.... social media has that covered...(thanks Musk, Zukerberg,
Sergey Brin etc)
Anyone wanting to restore a democracy in the US will probably
end up in Guantanamo. And under a "secret court order"
[]'s
PS "secret court orders" only exist in dictatorships.
I think the Musk version of social media was a breath of fresh air...
make that a breath of free speech.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
People clearly think not as X has lost both numbers and active folks over
Twitter, has seemed to have alienated the advertisers, as it’s become a
fairly toxic environment.
Leftist leaners hate Xwitter because of the reduction of censorship
Post by Roger Merriman
With Musk there is this myth he knows what he’s doing as is brilliant.
X is popular with people who don't feel the need to be protected from
rhetoric that makes them feel bad. Musk was striving for less
censorship.
Post by Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
zen cycle
2024-11-22 11:23:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 17:10:58 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
With so many people being unhappy with the system, why isn't there a
huge movement to change the system?
Oh wait.....
.... social media has that covered...(thanks Musk, Zukerberg,
Sergey Brin etc)
Anyone wanting to restore a democracy in the US will probably
end up in Guantanamo. And under a "secret court order"
[]'s
PS "secret court orders" only exist in dictatorships.
I think the Musk version of social media was a breath of fresh air...
make that a breath of free speech.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
People clearly think not as X has lost both numbers and active folks over
Twitter, has seemed to have alienated the advertisers, as it’s become a
fairly toxic environment.
Leftist leaners hate Xwitter because of the reduction of censorship
Gee, the fact that he removed the ability to block people who were
harrasing and stalking had nothing to do with it, or the fact that any
and all activity is now being sold to markets who innudate your feed
with ads had nothing to do with it.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
With Musk there is this myth he knows what he’s doing as is brilliant.
X is popular with people who don't feel the need to be protected from
rhetoric that makes them feel bad. Musk was striving for less
censorship.
Musk is striving for toxicity, much like trump.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Shadow
2024-11-22 11:21:21 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 18:58:03 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
I think the Musk version of social media was a breath of fresh air...
make that a breath of free speech.
X is one of the most heavily censored social medias here in
Brazil. Criminals have "free speech". Hell, drugs runners and
terrorists are free to post whatever they want.
But groups that combat right wing fascism (specially
nazism)have their accounts deleted. Without any explanation from Musk
other that "It's mine, I delete what I want to delete".
You REALLY should check your sources. They're not good.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-22 12:07:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Shadow
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 18:58:03 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
I think the Musk version of social media was a breath of fresh air...
make that a breath of free speech.
X is one of the most heavily censored social medias here in
Brazil. Criminals have "free speech". Hell, drugs runners and
terrorists are free to post whatever they want.
But groups that combat right wing fascism (specially
nazism)have their accounts deleted. Without any explanation from Musk
other that "It's mine, I delete what I want to delete".
You REALLY should check your sources. They're not good.
[]'s
He kicked journalists and media off, and that's good thing. Otherwise,
X is pretty much free speech.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Shadow
2024-11-21 17:46:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
    What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from
the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
    []'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to
use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-
dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
    I had no idea anything like that existed. What an
amazing
project.
    Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND
his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
    If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing,
I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the
concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a
"bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
To bad the vast majority of people, especially in this forum
- have absolutely no concept of what socialism is, and
instead apply nly what their right-wing echo chambers tell
them that it is and constantly conflate socialism with
fascist dictatorships.
yeah yeah, we know, "socialism has failed everywhere it's
been tried", right dumbass?
Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman
To which the faithful reply, "Lenin didn't fully understand
it or apply the principles correctly. Nor Hoxha, Mao,
Stalin, Kim Il Sung, PolPot... "
Can't remember which of them was the dictator of Norway.
Help, pls?
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
Roger Merriman
2024-11-21 10:53:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.

Roger Merriman
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-21 12:06:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
zen cycle
2024-11-21 12:20:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Thank you for proving Rogers point (and mine).
AMuzi
2024-11-21 13:44:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by zen cycle
On 21 Nov 2024 10:53:58 GMT, Roger Merriman
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from
the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one,
park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person
to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/
the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-
revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND
his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many
bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the
lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared.
Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I
would
not expect anything else. They will never understand
the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a
"bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they
largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions
of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even
bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased
government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire
spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion
that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will
take care of
us is not popular.
Thank you for proving Rogers point (and mine).
Living on county rent, food card, free medical and so on
makes a man into a pet of the regime. I prefer to remain a
citizen.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 14:15:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Thank you for proving Rogers point (and mine).
Living on county rent, food card, free medical and so on makes a man
into a pet of the regime. I prefer to remain a citizen.
As is your prerogative. This doesn't negate the proven benefits of
social welfare programs.
--
Add xx to reply
Frank Krygowski
2024-11-21 16:03:21 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Thank you for proving Rogers point (and mine).
Living on county rent, food card, free medical and so on makes a man
into a pet of the regime. I prefer to remain a citizen.
As is your prerogative. This doesn't negate the proven benefits of
social welfare programs.
+1
--
- Frank Krygowski
AMuzi
2024-11-21 16:13:14 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
On 21 Nov 2024 10:53:58 GMT, Roger Merriman
Post by Roger Merriman
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:22:21 -0300, Shadow
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared
bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging
from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a
'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles.
Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride
one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next
person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/
the-dutch- anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-
revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an
amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike
AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably
in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted
many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the
lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared.
Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad"
thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand
the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is
a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say
they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various
versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even
bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased
government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire
spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion
that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government
will take care of
us is not popular.
Thank you for proving Rogers point (and mine).
Living on county rent, food card, free medical and so on
makes a man into a pet of the regime. I prefer to remain
a citizen.
As is your prerogative. This doesn't negate the proven
benefits of social welfare programs.
+1
Benefits to whom? From whom?
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 16:36:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Thank you for proving Rogers point (and mine).
Living on county rent, food card, free medical and so on makes a man
into a pet of the regime. I prefer to remain a citizen.
As is your prerogative. This doesn't negate the proven benefits of
social welfare programs.
+1
Benefits to whom?  From whom?
Are you suggesting no one benefits from social welfare programs?
--
Add xx to reply
Frank Krygowski
2024-11-22 01:26:19 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
This doesn't negate the proven benefits of
social welfare programs.
+1
Benefits to whom?  From whom?
Benefits to most citizens. And yes, from citizens as well as
corporations in the form of taxes.

Let's look at some northern European countries famous for their social
welfare programs.

List of "Happiest countries" with their "happiness indexes"

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world

"Since 2002, the World Happiness Report has used statistical analysis to
determine the world's happiest countries. In its 2024 update, the report
concluded that Finland is the happiest country in the world. To
determine the world's happiest country, researchers analyzed
comprehensive Gallup polling data from 143 countries for the past three
years, specifically monitoring performance in six particular categories:
gross domestic product per capita, social support, healthy life
expectancy, freedom to make your own life choices, generosity of the
general population, and perceptions of internal and external corruption
levels.

Finland 7.74
Denmark 7.58
Iceland 7.53
Sweden 7.34
Israel 7.34
Netherlands 7.32
Norway 7.3
Luxembourg 7.12
(U.S. is way down at #23)

Let's look at prosperity. From https://www.prosperity.com/rankings
The top 8 countries, in order, are:
Denmark
Sweden
Norway
Finland
Switzerland
Netherlands
Luxembourg
Iceland
(U.S. is way down at #19)

Perhaps you notice the overlap?

In general, better support systems leads to better citizen happiness and
better overall prosperity.

Granted, those countries are probably short on ultra-rich CEOs. And the
wealthy probably pay a higher percentage of their income as taxes. But
that doesn't seem to bother the citizens.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-22 08:40:04 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 20:26:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by Zen Cycle
This doesn't negate the proven benefits of
social welfare programs.
+1
Benefits to whom?  From whom?
Benefits to most citizens. And yes, from citizens as well as
corporations in the form of taxes.
Let's look at some northern European countries famous for their social
welfare programs.
List of "Happiest countries" with their "happiness indexes"
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world
"Since 2002, the World Happiness Report has used statistical analysis to
determine the world's happiest countries. In its 2024 update, the report
concluded that Finland is the happiest country in the world. To
determine the world's happiest country, researchers analyzed
comprehensive Gallup polling data from 143 countries for the past three
gross domestic product per capita, social support, healthy life
expectancy, freedom to make your own life choices, generosity of the
general population, and perceptions of internal and external corruption
levels.
Finland 7.74
Denmark 7.58
Iceland 7.53
Sweden 7.34
Israel 7.34
Netherlands 7.32
Norway 7.3
Luxembourg 7.12
(U.S. is way down at #23)
How can anyone look at data from any polling outfits without laughing.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/652850/final-election-indicators-give-mixed-signals.aspx
Post by Frank Krygowski
Let's look at prosperity. From https://www.prosperity.com/rankings
Denmark
Sweden
Norway
Finland
Switzerland
Netherlands
Luxembourg
Iceland
(U.S. is way down at #19)
Perhaps you notice the overlap?
Perhaps you notice that it was the study staff who first decided what
made people happy, and then the study staff ranked their estimation of
the status of each element in each country. Then the study staff
decided on how much weight to put on each element...
https://www.prosperity.com/about/methodology

What a load of hogwash....

Someone paid those jackasses to put that garbage together. See below:

"Funded by a Dubai-based, New Zealand-born billionaire as well as
around 40 mostly anonymous donors and based in plush Mayfair offices,
Legatum has the ear of large sections of the British media and
government."
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/legatum-who-are-brexiteers-favourite-think-tank-and-who-is-behind-them/
Post by Frank Krygowski
In general, better support systems leads to better citizen happiness and
better overall prosperity.
Granted, those countries are probably short on ultra-rich CEOs. And the
wealthy probably pay a higher percentage of their income as taxes. But
that doesn't seem to bother the citizens.
Nonsense studies and polling like above exist because there are so
many fools who will believe anything that appears to validate their
preferences.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
zen cycle
2024-11-22 11:32:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 20:26:19 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by Zen Cycle
This doesn't negate the proven benefits of
social welfare programs.
+1
Benefits to whom?  From whom?
Benefits to most citizens. And yes, from citizens as well as
corporations in the form of taxes.
Let's look at some northern European countries famous for their social
welfare programs.
List of "Happiest countries" with their "happiness indexes"
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/happiest-countries-in-the-world
"Since 2002, the World Happiness Report has used statistical analysis to
determine the world's happiest countries. In its 2024 update, the report
concluded that Finland is the happiest country in the world. To
determine the world's happiest country, researchers analyzed
comprehensive Gallup polling data from 143 countries for the past three
gross domestic product per capita, social support, healthy life
expectancy, freedom to make your own life choices, generosity of the
general population, and perceptions of internal and external corruption
levels.
Finland 7.74
Denmark 7.58
Iceland 7.53
Sweden 7.34
Israel 7.34
Netherlands 7.32
Norway 7.3
Luxembourg 7.12
(U.S. is way down at #23)
How can anyone look at data from any polling outfits without laughing.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/652850/final-election-indicators-give-mixed-signals.aspx
Right - the lowest margin of victory in 24 years is a "mandate"....lol
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Frank Krygowski
Let's look at prosperity. From https://www.prosperity.com/rankings
Denmark
Sweden
Norway
Finland
Switzerland
Netherlands
Luxembourg
Iceland
(U.S. is way down at #19)
Perhaps you notice the overlap?
Perhaps you notice that it was the study staff who first decided what
made people happy, and then the study staff ranked their estimation of
the status of each element in each country. Then the study staff
decided on how much weight to put on each element...
https://www.prosperity.com/about/methodology
What a load of hogwash....
we also noticed that you didn't bring any salient discussion, merely a
"load of hogwash" because it doesn't align with your bias.
Post by Catrike Ryder
"Funded by a Dubai-based, New Zealand-born billionaire as well as
around 40 mostly anonymous donors and based in plush Mayfair offices,
Legatum has the ear of large sections of the British media and
government."
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dark-money-investigations/legatum-who-are-brexiteers-favourite-think-tank-and-who-is-behind-them/
We also notice other than to dismiss the study because it doesn't align
with your bias, you don't bring any information to contradict the
reports, other than your own bias.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Frank Krygowski
In general, better support systems leads to better citizen happiness and
better overall prosperity.
Granted, those countries are probably short on ultra-rich CEOs. And the
wealthy probably pay a higher percentage of their income as taxes. But
that doesn't seem to bother the citizens.
Nonsense studies and polling like above exist because there are so
many fools who will believe anything that appears to validate their
preferences.
Studies and polling like the above exist to promote a perspective and
troll fools who disbelieve anything that doesn't confirm their own biases
Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
2024-11-21 17:02:35 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Thank you for proving Rogers point (and mine).
Living on county rent, food card, free medical and so on makes a man
into a pet of the regime. I prefer to remain a citizen.
As is your prerogative. This doesn't negate the proven benefits of
social welfare programs.
Indeed it’s a safety net, to disability/age, noting that some health myths
come from health insurance and American healthcare.

Not that the United States is alone in being somewhat short sighted,
prisons are notoriously hard to get any government to fund, and studies etc
have demonstrated time again this is a expensive way to do this for the
countries.

But it’s very hard political to do so.

Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman
2024-11-21 14:02:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Thank you for proving Rogers point (and mine).
Indeed!

Roger Merriman
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-21 14:10:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Thank you for proving Rogers point (and mine).
Indeed!
Roger Merriman
Indeed, why would anyone bother to examine the differences between
socialism and communism when the see both as highly objectionable?

Why would most human beings bother to examine the nutrition value
between roaches and tomato worms?

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 14:17:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Thank you for proving Rogers point (and mine).
Indeed!
Roger Merriman
Indeed, why would anyone bother to examine the differences between
socialism and communism when the see both as highly objectionable?
Why would most human beings bother to examine the nutrition value
between roaches and tomato worms?
You've already proven our point, dumbass, no need to keep doing it.
Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman
--
Add xx to reply
John B.
2024-11-21 12:41:37 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security, Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
--
Cheers,

John B.
zen cycle
2024-11-21 13:02:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security, Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Yes, the absolute libertarian stance is that none of those should be
provided by the government and the more hardcore "libertairans" include
government funded infrastructure such as police, fire, roadways,
water/sewer as programs the government shouldn't be involved in, because
the burden of paying taxes far outweighs the benefit of clean water (you
want clean water? dig your own damn well) or putting out house fires
(your house burned down because your neighbor had a chimney fire? tough.)

Basically it comes down to selfishness and a complete lack of regard for
the welfare of others (hey, it's not my responsibility if I dumped my
used motoroil on the property line and it contaminated your well)
AMuzi
2024-11-21 13:47:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by zen cycle
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On 21 Nov 2024 10:53:58 GMT, Roger Merriman
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from
the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one,
park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person
to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/
the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-
revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike
AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many
bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the
lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared.
Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing,
I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand
the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a
"bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they
largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions
of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even
bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased
government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire
spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion
that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will
take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment,
government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Yes, the absolute libertarian stance is that none of those
should be provided by the government and the more hardcore
"libertairans" include government funded infrastructure such
as police, fire, roadways, water/sewer as programs the
government shouldn't be involved in, because the burden of
paying taxes far outweighs the benefit of clean water (you
want clean water? dig your own damn well) or putting out
house fires (your house burned down because your neighbor
had a chimney fire? tough.)
Basically it comes down to selfishness and a complete lack
of regard for the welfare of others (hey, it's not my
responsibility if I dumped my used motoroil on the property
line and it contaminated your well)
No human structure or system can be perfect, ipso facto.

But the present excesses have become unbearable in the
opinion of a majority of the citizenry.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 14:25:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Yes, the absolute libertarian stance is that none of those should be
provided by the government and the more hardcore "libertairans"
include government funded infrastructure such as police, fire,
roadways, water/sewer as programs the government shouldn't be involved
in, because the burden of paying taxes far outweighs the benefit of
clean water (you want clean water? dig your own damn well) or putting
out house fires (your house burned down because your neighbor had a
chimney fire? tough.)
Basically it comes down to selfishness and a complete lack of regard
for the welfare of others (hey, it's not my responsibility if I dumped
my used motoroil on the property line and it contaminated your well)
No human structure or system can be perfect, ipso facto.
But the present excesses have become unbearable in the opinion of a
majority of the citizenry.
The #1 issue that duped people into voting for was the delusion that the
economy was sooooo much better under trump.

Trumps "success" had nothing to do with trump.

The fact that trump rode the coattails of Obama until the pandemic hit
was ignored.
The fact that Biden inherited the after effects of the pandemic and
successfully steered the economy into a 'soft landing' was ignored.
( and don't give me that crap about the 12,000 jobs created in october).

Credit the right wing media.

Social programs were a distant 2nd in terms of issues of concern.
--
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Rolf Mantel
2024-11-21 14:58:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Yes, the absolute libertarian stance is that none of those should be
provided by the government and the more hardcore "libertairans"
include government funded infrastructure such as police, fire,
roadways, water/sewer as programs the government shouldn't be
involved in, because the burden of paying taxes far outweighs the
benefit of clean water (you want clean water? dig your own damn well)
or putting out house fires (your house burned down because your
neighbor had a chimney fire? tough.)
Basically it comes down to selfishness and a complete lack of regard
for the welfare of others (hey, it's not my responsibility if I
dumped my used motoroil on the property line and it contaminated your
well)
No human structure or system can be perfect, ipso facto.
But the present excesses have become unbearable in the opinion of a
majority of the citizenry.
The #1 issue that duped people into voting for was the delusion that the
economy was sooooo much better under trump.
Trumps "success" had nothing to do with trump.
The fact that trump rode the coattails of Obama until the pandemic hit
was ignored.
The fact that Biden inherited the after effects of the pandemic and
successfully steered the economy into a 'soft landing' was ignored.
( and don't give me that crap about the 12,000 jobs created in october).
the same is visible in many other developed countries: whoever had the
'misfortune' to be in power during 2020-2022 lost really bad or is
projected to lose really bad in the next elections.
AMuzi
2024-11-21 15:16:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On 21 Nov 2024 10:53:58 GMT, Roger Merriman
Post by Roger Merriman
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:22:21 -0300, Shadow
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared
bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging
from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a
'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles.
Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride
one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next
person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/
the-dutch- anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-
revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an
amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike
AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably
in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted
many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the
lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared.
Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad"
thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand
the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is
a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say
they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various
versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even
bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased
government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire
spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion
that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government
will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment,
government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Yes, the absolute libertarian stance is that none of
those should be provided by the government and the more
hardcore "libertairans" include government funded
infrastructure such as police, fire, roadways, water/
sewer as programs the government shouldn't be involved
in, because the burden of paying taxes far outweighs the
benefit of clean water (you want clean water? dig your
own damn well) or putting out house fires (your house
burned down because your neighbor had a chimney fire?
tough.)
Basically it comes down to selfishness and a complete
lack of regard for the welfare of others (hey, it's not
my responsibility if I dumped my used motoroil on the
property line and it contaminated your well)
No human structure or system can be perfect, ipso facto.
But the present excesses have become unbearable in the
opinion of a majority of the citizenry.
The #1 issue that duped people into voting for was the
delusion that the economy was sooooo much better under trump.
Trumps "success" had nothing to do with trump.
The fact that trump rode the coattails of Obama until the
pandemic hit was ignored.
The fact that Biden inherited the after effects of the
pandemic and successfully steered the economy into a 'soft
landing' was ignored.
( and don't give me that crap about the 12,000 jobs created
in october).
Credit the right wing media.
Social programs were a distant 2nd in terms of issues of
concern.
You left out, "Bidenomics is working!"

That phrase reminded voters of the Emperor's new clothes.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Frank Krygowski
2024-11-21 16:13:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
You left out, "Bidenomics is working!"
That phrase reminded voters of the Emperor's new clothes.
Whether it was working or not could only be determined by comparing to
an alternative. We could never do that. There is only one nation running
here at one time. We can't go back and re-run the experiment.

But people blamed all inflation on Biden's team, even though inflation
was worldwide, with the bulk of it generated by COVID and Russia's
invasion of Ukraine. Did Biden's stimulus contribute? Probably - but
again, we don't know what would have happened without that.

Also, go back a few years and recall the huge fears of a major
recession. Recall the low, low odds of a "soft landing" for the economy.
But somehow, there was no major recession, and there was a soft landing.
That success is all forgotten now.

Yes, the lower middle class is suffering. Maybe if education in the U.S.
were as inexpensive as in most European countries, they could have
educated themselves into better economic conditions. But that
opportunity has also long passed.

It's all OK. Musk and the Trump family and buddies are all getting
richer. That raises the average. Right?
--
- Frank Krygowski
Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 16:35:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Yes, the absolute libertarian stance is that none of those should be
provided by the government and the more hardcore "libertairans"
include government funded infrastructure such as police, fire,
roadways, water/ sewer as programs the government shouldn't be
involved in, because the burden of paying taxes far outweighs the
benefit of clean water (you want clean water? dig your own damn
well) or putting out house fires (your house burned down because
your neighbor had a chimney fire? tough.)
Basically it comes down to selfishness and a complete lack of regard
for the welfare of others (hey, it's not my responsibility if I
dumped my used motoroil on the property line and it contaminated
your well)
No human structure or system can be perfect, ipso facto.
But the present excesses have become unbearable in the opinion of a
majority of the citizenry.
The #1 issue that duped people into voting for was the delusion that
the economy was sooooo much better under trump.
Trumps "success" had nothing to do with trump.
The fact that trump rode the coattails of Obama until the pandemic hit
was ignored.
The fact that Biden inherited the after effects of the pandemic and
successfully steered the economy into a 'soft landing' was ignored.
( and don't give me that crap about the 12,000 jobs created in october).
Credit the right wing media.
Social programs were a distant 2nd in terms of issues of concern.
You left out, "Bidenomics is working!"
No, I stated it rather clearly.
Post by AMuzi
That phrase reminded voters of the Emperor's new clothes.
I see, Inflation dropping from a high of 9% to near the fed target of
three percent is just an illusion.
Steady unemployment rates below 5% are just an illusion.
Stock markets hitting consistently historic highs are just an illusion.
Gas prices dropping from an average high of over $4 in early 2022 to
just over $2 today is just an illusion.

The pre-pandemic economy under trump was marginally better than it is
now. Certainly not enough to warrant the right-wing refrain of 'biden
destroyed the economy'.

The only emperor wearing new clothes is trump.
--
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AMuzi
2024-11-21 16:53:44 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On 21 Nov 2024 10:53:58 GMT, Roger Merriman
Post by Roger Merriman
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:22:21 -0300, Shadow
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared
bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging
from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a
'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles.
Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride
one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next
person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/
features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch- anarchists-who-
launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an
amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack"
riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his
bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there,
notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted
many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from
the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared.
Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad"
thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never
understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism
is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say
they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various
versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even
bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased
government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire
spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's
suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government
will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment,
government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Yes, the absolute libertarian stance is that none of
those should be provided by the government and the more
hardcore "libertairans" include government funded
infrastructure such as police, fire, roadways, water/
sewer as programs the government shouldn't be involved
in, because the burden of paying taxes far outweighs
the benefit of clean water (you want clean water? dig
your own damn well) or putting out house fires (your
house burned down because your neighbor had a chimney
fire? tough.)
Basically it comes down to selfishness and a complete
lack of regard for the welfare of others (hey, it's not
my responsibility if I dumped my used motoroil on the
property line and it contaminated your well)
No human structure or system can be perfect, ipso facto.
But the present excesses have become unbearable in the
opinion of a majority of the citizenry.
The #1 issue that duped people into voting for was the
delusion that the economy was sooooo much better under
trump.
Trumps "success" had nothing to do with trump.
The fact that trump rode the coattails of Obama until the
pandemic hit was ignored.
The fact that Biden inherited the after effects of the
pandemic and successfully steered the economy into a
'soft landing' was ignored.
( and don't give me that crap about the 12,000 jobs
created in october).
Credit the right wing media.
Social programs were a distant 2nd in terms of issues of
concern.
You left out, "Bidenomics is working!"
No, I stated it rather clearly.
Post by AMuzi
That phrase reminded voters of the Emperor's new clothes.
I see, Inflation dropping from a high of 9% to near the fed
target of three percent is just an illusion.
Steady unemployment rates below 5% are just an illusion.
Stock markets hitting consistently historic highs are just
an illusion.
Gas prices dropping from an average high of over $4 in early
2022 to just over $2 today is just an illusion.
The pre-pandemic economy under trump was marginally better
than it is now. Certainly not enough to warrant the right-
wing refrain of 'biden destroyed the economy'.
The only emperor wearing new clothes is trump.
Quoting the very quotable Mayor Ed Koch, once out of office,
"The people have spoken and the people must be punished."
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 16:55:57 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/ features/2022-02-26/ the-
dutch- anarchists-who- launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely
don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Yes, the absolute libertarian stance is that none of those should
be provided by the government and the more hardcore "libertairans"
include government funded infrastructure such as police, fire,
roadways, water/ sewer as programs the government shouldn't be
involved in, because the burden of paying taxes far outweighs the
benefit of clean water (you want clean water? dig your own damn
well) or putting out house fires (your house burned down because
your neighbor had a chimney fire? tough.)
Basically it comes down to selfishness and a complete lack of
regard for the welfare of others (hey, it's not my responsibility
if I dumped my used motoroil on the property line and it
contaminated your well)
No human structure or system can be perfect, ipso facto.
But the present excesses have become unbearable in the opinion of a
majority of the citizenry.
The #1 issue that duped people into voting for was the delusion that
the economy was sooooo much better under trump.
Trumps "success" had nothing to do with trump.
The fact that trump rode the coattails of Obama until the pandemic
hit was ignored.
The fact that Biden inherited the after effects of the pandemic and
successfully steered the economy into a 'soft landing' was ignored.
( and don't give me that crap about the 12,000 jobs created in october).
Credit the right wing media.
Social programs were a distant 2nd in terms of issues of concern.
You left out, "Bidenomics is working!"
No, I stated it rather clearly.
Post by AMuzi
That phrase reminded voters of the Emperor's new clothes.
I see, Inflation dropping from a high of 9% to near the fed target of
three percent is just an illusion.
Steady unemployment rates below 5% are just an illusion.
Stock markets hitting consistently historic highs are just an illusion.
Gas prices dropping from an average high of over $4 in early 2022 to
just over $2 today is just an illusion.
The pre-pandemic economy under trump was marginally better than it is
now. Certainly not enough to warrant the right- wing refrain of 'biden
destroyed the economy'.
The only emperor wearing new clothes is trump.
Quoting the very quotable Mayor Ed Koch, once out of office, "The people
have spoken and the people must be punished."
They will be, by the very people they elected to "save" them
--
Add xx to reply
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-21 17:50:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On 21 Nov 2024 10:53:58 GMT, Roger Merriman
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:22:21 -0300, Shadow
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared
bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging
from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a
'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles.
Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride
one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next
person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/
features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch- anarchists-who-
launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an
amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack"
riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his
bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there,
notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted
many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from
the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared.
Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad"
thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never
understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism
is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say
they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various
versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even
bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased
government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire
spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's
suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government
will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment,
government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Yes, the absolute libertarian stance is that none of
those should be provided by the government and the more
hardcore "libertairans" include government funded
infrastructure such as police, fire, roadways, water/
sewer as programs the government shouldn't be involved
in, because the burden of paying taxes far outweighs
the benefit of clean water (you want clean water? dig
your own damn well) or putting out house fires (your
house burned down because your neighbor had a chimney
fire? tough.)
Basically it comes down to selfishness and a complete
lack of regard for the welfare of others (hey, it's not
my responsibility if I dumped my used motoroil on the
property line and it contaminated your well)
No human structure or system can be perfect, ipso facto.
But the present excesses have become unbearable in the
opinion of a majority of the citizenry.
The #1 issue that duped people into voting for was the
delusion that the economy was sooooo much better under
trump.
Trumps "success" had nothing to do with trump.
The fact that trump rode the coattails of Obama until the
pandemic hit was ignored.
The fact that Biden inherited the after effects of the
pandemic and successfully steered the economy into a
'soft landing' was ignored.
( and don't give me that crap about the 12,000 jobs
created in october).
Credit the right wing media.
Social programs were a distant 2nd in terms of issues of
concern.
You left out, "Bidenomics is working!"
No, I stated it rather clearly.
Post by AMuzi
That phrase reminded voters of the Emperor's new clothes.
I see, Inflation dropping from a high of 9% to near the fed
target of three percent is just an illusion.
Steady unemployment rates below 5% are just an illusion.
Stock markets hitting consistently historic highs are just
an illusion.
Gas prices dropping from an average high of over $4 in early
2022 to just over $2 today is just an illusion.
The pre-pandemic economy under trump was marginally better
than it is now. Certainly not enough to warrant the right-
wing refrain of 'biden destroyed the economy'.
The only emperor wearing new clothes is trump.
Quoting the very quotable Mayor Ed Koch, once out of office,
"The people have spoken and the people must be punished."
It's hard to understand all the hatred and political rhetoric about
the recent minor interuption in the downward spiral of the USA. So
little is going to change that if there were no TV or internet, very
few would even notice.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Frank Krygowski
2024-11-21 23:12:43 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/ features/2022-02-26/ the-
dutch- anarchists-who- launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely
don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Yes, the absolute libertarian stance is that none of those should
be provided by the government and the more hardcore "libertairans"
include government funded infrastructure such as police, fire,
roadways, water/ sewer as programs the government shouldn't be
involved in, because the burden of paying taxes far outweighs the
benefit of clean water (you want clean water? dig your own damn
well) or putting out house fires (your house burned down because
your neighbor had a chimney fire? tough.)
Basically it comes down to selfishness and a complete lack of
regard for the welfare of others (hey, it's not my responsibility
if I dumped my used motoroil on the property line and it
contaminated your well)
No human structure or system can be perfect, ipso facto.
But the present excesses have become unbearable in the opinion of a
majority of the citizenry.
The #1 issue that duped people into voting for was the delusion that
the economy was sooooo much better under trump.
Trumps "success" had nothing to do with trump.
The fact that trump rode the coattails of Obama until the pandemic
hit was ignored.
The fact that Biden inherited the after effects of the pandemic and
successfully steered the economy into a 'soft landing' was ignored.
( and don't give me that crap about the 12,000 jobs created in october).
Credit the right wing media.
Social programs were a distant 2nd in terms of issues of concern.
You left out, "Bidenomics is working!"
No, I stated it rather clearly.
Post by AMuzi
That phrase reminded voters of the Emperor's new clothes.
I see, Inflation dropping from a high of 9% to near the fed target of
three percent is just an illusion.
Steady unemployment rates below 5% are just an illusion.
Stock markets hitting consistently historic highs are just an illusion.
Gas prices dropping from an average high of over $4 in early 2022 to
just over $2 today is just an illusion.
The pre-pandemic economy under trump was marginally better than it is
now. Certainly not enough to warrant the right- wing refrain of 'biden
destroyed the economy'.
The only emperor wearing new clothes is trump.
Quoting the very quotable Mayor Ed Koch, once out of office, "The people
have spoken and the people must be punished."
Looks like you couldn't dispute any of the actual facts, so you resorted
to a quip.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Mark J cleary
2024-11-21 21:31:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Yes, the absolute libertarian stance is that none of those should be
provided by the government and the more hardcore "libertairans"
include government funded infrastructure such as police, fire,
roadways, water/sewer as programs the government shouldn't be involved
in, because the burden of paying taxes far outweighs the benefit of
clean water (you want clean water? dig your own damn well) or putting
out house fires (your house burned down because your neighbor had a
chimney fire? tough.)
Basically it comes down to selfishness and a complete lack of regard
for the welfare of others (hey, it's not my responsibility if I dumped
my used motoroil on the property line and it contaminated your well)
No human structure or system can be perfect, ipso facto.
But the present excesses have become unbearable in the opinion of a
majority of the citizenry.
I spent 34 years working for Dept OF Human Services handing out Food
Stamps, Medical, and cash. While it has some good it also has plenty of
people with no desire to do better. They get used to being around and
getting things without work. And sometimes when they work it is more
about figuring out the system to use, than simply going to work at a job.
--
Deacon Mark
Frank Krygowski
2024-11-22 01:33:36 UTC
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Post by Mark J cleary
I spent 34 years working for Dept OF Human Services handing out Food
Stamps, Medical, and cash. While it has some good it also has plenty of
people with no desire to do better. They get used to being around and
getting things without work. And sometimes when they work it is more
about figuring out the system to use, than simply going to work at a job.
Which means the system can do with some improvement. Like all systems.

And if you're honest, you'll admit that there were plenty of people who
actually were helped, and who were not in need merely because they were
lazy and scheming.

I remember hearing about one storyteller who told a tale about a Good
Samaritan. His message didn't seem to be "Pull yourself up by your own
bootstraps." The institution founded in his name does seem to see value
in helping people financially.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-22 08:47:22 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 20:33:36 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by Mark J cleary
I spent 34 years working for Dept OF Human Services handing out Food
Stamps, Medical, and cash. While it has some good it also has plenty of
people with no desire to do better. They get used to being around and
getting things without work. And sometimes when they work it is more
about figuring out the system to use, than simply going to work at a job.
Which means the system can do with some improvement. Like all systems.
And if you're honest, you'll admit that there were plenty of people who
actually were helped, and who were not in need merely because they were
lazy and scheming.
I remember hearing about one storyteller who told a tale about a Good
Samaritan. His message didn't seem to be "Pull yourself up by your own
bootstraps." The institution founded in his name does seem to see value
in helping people financially.
The Goverment pays people to piss away your money....

"For example, the Council of Inspectors General on Integrity and
Efficiency (CIGIE) provides an annual report on fraud to the President
and Congress. In FY 2021, CIGIE estimated that its investigations
recovered as much as $12.1 billion. But this amount included some
potential crimes beyond fraud—such as theft and mismanagement of
government funds."
https://www.gao.gov/blog/how-prevalent-fraud-federal-programs-we-take-look-focusing-unemployment-insurance-oversight

Read more at that site

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-21 13:06:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security, Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Oh yes indeed. There's plenty of nanny governmentism (--?) in the USA,
but as the recent elections demonstrate, there's a generally
unfavorable opinion of it, and a reluctance to allow more of it.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
zen cycle
2024-11-21 13:20:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security, Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Oh yes indeed. There's plenty of nanny governmentism (--?) in the USA,
but as the recent elections demonstrate, there's a generally
unfavorable opinion of it, and a reluctance to allow more of it.
Or so your right-wing echo chamber tells you.
AMuzi
2024-11-21 13:49:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by zen cycle
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 19:41:37 +0700, John B.
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On 21 Nov 2024 10:53:58 GMT, Roger Merriman
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from
the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a
'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride
one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person
to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/
the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-
revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an
amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike
AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably
in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted
many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the
lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared.
Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing,
I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand
the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is
a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they
largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions
of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even
bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased
government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire
spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion
that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will
take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment,
government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Oh yes indeed. There's plenty of nanny governmentism (--?)
in the USA,
but as the recent elections demonstrate, there's a generally
unfavorable opinion of it, and a reluctance to allow more
of it.
Or so your right-wing echo chamber tells you.
Zealots abound. The ideology and cant of the left also has
its rabid subgroup.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 14:26:39 UTC
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Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Oh yes indeed. There's plenty of nanny governmentism (--?) in the USA,
but as the recent elections demonstrate, there's a generally
unfavorable opinion of it, and a reluctance to allow more of it.
Or so your right-wing echo chamber tells you.
Zealots abound.  The ideology and cant of the left also has its rabid
subgroup.
'whataboutism' isn't a rational debating point, generally speaking.
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AMuzi
2024-11-21 15:19:27 UTC
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Post by zen cycle
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 19:41:37 +0700, John B.
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On 21 Nov 2024 10:53:58 GMT, Roger Merriman
Post by Roger Merriman
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 20:22:21 -0300, Shadow
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared
bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging
from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a
'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles.
Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride
one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next
person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/
features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch- anarchists-who-
launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an
amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike
AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably
in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted
many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from
the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared.
Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad"
thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never
understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism
is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say
they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various
versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even
bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased
government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire
spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's
suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government
will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment,
government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Oh yes indeed. There's plenty of nanny governmentism
(--?) in the USA,
but as the recent elections demonstrate, there's a
generally
unfavorable opinion of it, and a reluctance to allow
more of it.
Or so your right-wing echo chamber tells you.
Zealots abound.  The ideology and cant of the left also
has its rabid subgroup.
'whataboutism' isn't a rational debating point, generally
speaking.
It is.

You accused some of us of 'false consciousness' (a communist
theory trope of long standing) in that we are too stupid to
read the classics, understand principle and apply it
currently. Rather than argue from principle, you accused
some of us of being duped by talking heads whom I do not see
nor hear.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 16:53:14 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by zen cycle
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/ features/2022-02-26/ the-
dutch- anarchists-who- launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Oh yes indeed. There's plenty of nanny governmentism (--?) in the USA,
but as the recent elections demonstrate, there's a generally
unfavorable opinion of it, and a reluctance to allow more of it.
Or so your right-wing echo chamber tells you.
Zealots abound.  The ideology and cant of the left also has its rabid
subgroup.
'whataboutism' isn't a rational debating point, generally speaking.
It is.
You accused some of us of 'false consciousness' (a communist theory
trope of long standing) in that we are too stupid to read the classics,
understand principle and apply it currently.  Rather than argue from
principle, you accused some of us of being duped by talking heads whom I
do not see nor hear.
1) I don't consider you to be a member of the collective you're
referring to with "we" and "us"

2) Some of the members in this forum openly admit their willfull ignorance

3) some of the members of this forum are in fact too stupid to read,
understand, and apply the principles of socio-economic theory in the
context of practical success and failures.

4) I'll argue from principle with others who are willing to do so in
kind (such as you, and you and I have a history of engaging on that level).

5) generally speaking whataboutism isn't a rational debating point.
Certainly in the cases of discussing hypocritical policy positions, but
in terms of discussing salient points and interpretations, no.

WRT 'false consciousness':

https://www.hks.harvard.edu/publications/enemy-people-trumps-war-press-new-mccarthyism-and-threat-american-democracy

"Twentieth-century dictators—notably, Stalin, Hitler, and Mao—had all
denounced their critics, especially the press, as “enemies of the
people.” Their goal was to delegitimize the work of the press as “fake
news” and create confusion in the public mind about what’s real and what
isn’t; what can be trusted and what can’t be. That, it seems, is also
Trump’s goal. "

Were immigrants actually eating pets in Springfield Ohio?
https://thehill.com/homenews/4883582-donald-trump-jd-vance-ohio-pet-false-claims-survey/

If the shoe fits, wear it.
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Frank Krygowski
2024-11-22 01:36:18 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
You accused some of us of 'false consciousness' (a communist theory
trope of long standing) in that we are too stupid to read the classics,
understand principle and apply it currently.  Rather than argue from
principle, you accused some of us of being duped by talking heads whom I
do not see nor hear.
Surely you don't deny that "some of" those sharing your political views
have been duped by talking heads, have not read the classics, and so on.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-22 08:48:34 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 20:36:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
You accused some of us of 'false consciousness' (a communist theory
trope of long standing) in that we are too stupid to read the classics,
understand principle and apply it currently.  Rather than argue from
principle, you accused some of us of being duped by talking heads whom I
do not see nor hear.
Surely you don't deny that "some of" those sharing your political views
have been duped by talking heads, have not read the classics, and so on.
The irony bell rings loud in that one....

--
C'est bon
Soloman
AMuzi
2024-11-21 13:45:20 UTC
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Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism, and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives that the entire spectrum of
socialism/communism contain. The socialist's suggestion that we will
live a better life if we allow the nanny government will take care of
us is not popular.
Oh! Like Social; Security, Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Exactly. A long series of errors.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Frank Krygowski
2024-11-21 16:16:31 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by John B.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Exactly. A long series of errors.
Especially education? Let's hear it for total ignorance?

Let's go back to breadlines, and jailing debtors? Let's just let the old
and feeble die?

- Frank Krygowski
AMuzi
2024-11-21 16:38:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by John B.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment,
government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Exactly. A long series of errors.
Especially education? Let's hear it for total ignorance?
Let's go back to breadlines, and jailing debtors? Let's just
let the old and feeble die?
- Frank Krygowski
Nothing good may be said about literacy or arithmetical
competence of US children from 1979 to today, the Ed Dep't
era. It's a downward slope of competence with an upward
slope of expenditure. The Education Department may not bear
all the blame, but it certainly hasn't merited any credit.

Similarly to our Medical Billing System (formerly 'medical
services'), the money flows, those connected do very well,
the clients get bupkis and every failure large or small gets
increased funding.

No one is against education. But at some point we must
admit we spend more, a lot more, and get a lot less. This is
has not been a successful adventure.

I've mentioned before that the New York Regents' Exam,
required for a high school diploma for more than a hundred
years, was once dauntingly difficult. I've struggled with
examples from the early 1900s before the Great War. [my SAT,
having not attended high school, was 1390 just before
university matriculation. I'm maybe not smart but not stupid
either.]

So how's that going now?

https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2024/11/04/new-york-plans-to-end-regents-exam-requirement-by-2027-2028-school-year/

NY spends more than ever, has more staff per pupil than ever
and yet the students cannot manage a watered down Regents'
Exam. So they just dropped the exam!

This is not unlike Chicago CPS, who hand out diplomas to
all, regardless of attendance, literacy or lack thereof. CPS
gives diplomas to children who literally cannot read them.
AT $30,000 per child per year. This is not a success.

OK you may well ask, what is a good example?

How about a student population at lower income and higher
minority proportion than NYC schools in general?

https://www.successacademies.org/results/

I believe education has value, and that a better way forward
is possible. What we have now lacks both education and
success for the lives of the victims, er, students.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Frank Krygowski
2024-11-21 23:20:46 UTC
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Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by John B.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Exactly. A long series of errors.
Especially education? Let's hear it for total ignorance?
Let's go back to breadlines, and jailing debtors? Let's just let the
old and feeble die?
- Frank Krygowski
Nothing good may be said about literacy or arithmetical competence of US
children from 1979 to today, the Ed Dep't era. It's a downward slope of
competence with an upward slope of expenditure. The Education Department
may not bear all the blame, but it certainly hasn't merited any credit.
Similarly to our Medical Billing System (formerly 'medical services'),
the money flows, those connected do very well, the clients get bupkis
and every failure large or small gets increased funding.
No one is against education.  But at some point we must admit we spend
more, a lot more, and get a lot less. This is has not been a successful
adventure.
I've mentioned before that the New York Regents' Exam, required for a
high school diploma for more than a hundred years, was once dauntingly
difficult.  I've struggled with examples from the early 1900s before the
Great War. [my SAT, having not attended high school, was 1390 just
before university matriculation. I'm maybe not smart but not stupid
either.]
So how's that going now?
https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2024/11/04/new-york-plans-to-end-
regents-exam-requirement-by-2027-2028-school-year/
NY spends more than ever, has more staff per pupil than ever and yet the
students cannot manage a watered down Regents' Exam. So they just
dropped the exam!
This is not unlike Chicago CPS, who hand out diplomas to all, regardless
of attendance, literacy or lack thereof. CPS gives diplomas to children
who literally cannot read them. AT $30,000 per child per year. This is
not a success.
OK you may well ask, what is a good example?
How about a student population at lower income and higher minority
proportion than NYC schools in general?
https://www.successacademies.org/results/
I believe education has value, and that a better way forward is
possible. What we have now lacks both education and success for the
lives of the victims, er, students.
That's much better than your remark I was actually responding to, that
listed Education 1-12 as one of a long list of government errors.

Education can be improved. There are aspects of the current system I
don't like. But having the government supply "education 1-12" is _not_
an error. It's fundamentally necessary for a functioning democracy.

As with the other benefits John listed, it would be much more productive
to discuss specifics about what's right and what's wrong, instead of
writing to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-21 23:53:17 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 18:20:46 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by John B.
Oh! Like Social; Security,  Medicaid, unemployment, government
supplied education 1 - 12, etc.
and
https://www.usa.gov/benefits
Exactly. A long series of errors.
Especially education? Let's hear it for total ignorance?
Let's go back to breadlines, and jailing debtors? Let's just let the
old and feeble die?
- Frank Krygowski
Nothing good may be said about literacy or arithmetical competence of US
children from 1979 to today, the Ed Dep't era. It's a downward slope of
competence with an upward slope of expenditure. The Education Department
may not bear all the blame, but it certainly hasn't merited any credit.
Similarly to our Medical Billing System (formerly 'medical services'),
the money flows, those connected do very well, the clients get bupkis
and every failure large or small gets increased funding.
No one is against education.  But at some point we must admit we spend
more, a lot more, and get a lot less. This is has not been a successful
adventure.
I've mentioned before that the New York Regents' Exam, required for a
high school diploma for more than a hundred years, was once dauntingly
difficult.  I've struggled with examples from the early 1900s before the
Great War. [my SAT, having not attended high school, was 1390 just
before university matriculation. I'm maybe not smart but not stupid
either.]
So how's that going now?
https://www.chalkbeat.org/newyork/2024/11/04/new-york-plans-to-end-
regents-exam-requirement-by-2027-2028-school-year/
NY spends more than ever, has more staff per pupil than ever and yet the
students cannot manage a watered down Regents' Exam. So they just
dropped the exam!
This is not unlike Chicago CPS, who hand out diplomas to all, regardless
of attendance, literacy or lack thereof. CPS gives diplomas to children
who literally cannot read them. AT $30,000 per child per year. This is
not a success.
OK you may well ask, what is a good example?
How about a student population at lower income and higher minority
proportion than NYC schools in general?
https://www.successacademies.org/results/
I believe education has value, and that a better way forward is
possible. What we have now lacks both education and success for the
lives of the victims, er, students.
That's much better than your remark I was actually responding to, that
listed Education 1-12 as one of a long list of government errors.
Education can be improved. There are aspects of the current system I
don't like. But having the government supply "education 1-12" is _not_
an error. It's fundamentally necessary for a functioning democracy.
As with the other benefits John listed, it would be much more productive
to discuss specifics about what's right and what's wrong, instead of
writing to throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Government running public education was fine back when was run by the
local government without interference from nationwide leftist labor
unions.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Shadow
2024-11-21 17:40:53 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism,
Really?
Post by Catrike Ryder
and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives
The biggest employer in the US?

The government.

The biggest spender (largest budget) in the US

The government,

Where do most "private enterprise" piglets suckle (notably
"defense contractors", but also banks, wall street etc")

The government.

Who bales out private enterprise practically every time it
goes bankrupt?

The government. (only very large firms/banks with lobbies in
congress. Don't expect it to happen to you).

LOL
The US practically identical to a Communist dictatorship.
Might even have less "freedom". Different bosses, that's all.

The public rejects government intrusion in their lives? Don't
say it out loud, your TV,your fridge or a street camera might tag you
as a dissident.

When was the last time you had REAL chance to elect a
CENTER-WING candidate? The only choice you have now is far-right or
extreme-right.
[]'s
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-21 17:52:47 UTC
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Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism,
Really?
Post by Catrike Ryder
and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives
The biggest employer in the US?
The government.
The biggest spender (largest budget) in the US
The government,
Where do most "private enterprise" piglets suckle (notably
"defense contractors", but also banks, wall street etc")
The government.
Who bales out private enterprise practically every time it
goes bankrupt?
The government. (only very large firms/banks with lobbies in
congress. Don't expect it to happen to you).
LOL
The US practically identical to a Communist dictatorship.
Might even have less "freedom". Different bosses, that's all.
The public rejects government intrusion in their lives? Don't
say it out loud, your TV,your fridge or a street camera might tag you
as a dissident.
When was the last time you had REAL chance to elect a
CENTER-WING candidate? The only choice you have now is far-right or
extreme-right.
[]'s
Did you not notice my use of the word "increased?"

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Shadow
2024-11-21 18:25:17 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 12:52:47 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<snip>
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
Post by Catrike Ryder
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism,
Really?
Post by Catrike Ryder
and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives
The biggest employer in the US?
The government.
The biggest spender (largest budget) in the US
The government,
Where do most "private enterprise" piglets suckle (notably
"defense contractors", but also banks, wall street etc")
The government.
Who bales out private enterprise practically every time it
goes bankrupt?
The government. (only very large firms/banks with lobbies in
congress. Don't expect it to happen to you).
LOL
The US practically identical to a Communist dictatorship.
Might even have less "freedom". Different bosses, that's all.
The public rejects government intrusion in their lives? Don't
say it out loud, your TV,your fridge or a street camera might tag you
as a dissident.
When was the last time you had REAL chance to elect a
CENTER-WING candidate? The only choice you have now is far-right or
extreme-right.
[]'s
Did you not notice my use of the word "increased?"
Yes, of course it's increased. You always elect right wing
politicians. They don't represent you, they represent those that hold
your puppet-strings. And the greater the power that banks and big
corps have over the government the more control they have over the
general population.
It's got to the point where the rich don't even go to jail for
serious felonies. They are above the law. The OWN the law.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-21 18:37:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Shadow
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 12:52:47 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 07:06:16 -0500, Catrike Ryder
<snip>
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
Post by Catrike Ryder
There are many similarities between the various versions of socialism
and communism,
Really?
Post by Catrike Ryder
and many people in the USA don't even bother looking
for the differences. They simply reject the increased government
intrusion into their private lives
The biggest employer in the US?
The government.
The biggest spender (largest budget) in the US
The government,
Where do most "private enterprise" piglets suckle (notably
"defense contractors", but also banks, wall street etc")
The government.
Who bales out private enterprise practically every time it
goes bankrupt?
The government. (only very large firms/banks with lobbies in
congress. Don't expect it to happen to you).
LOL
The US practically identical to a Communist dictatorship.
Might even have less "freedom". Different bosses, that's all.
The public rejects government intrusion in their lives? Don't
say it out loud, your TV,your fridge or a street camera might tag you
as a dissident.
When was the last time you had REAL chance to elect a
CENTER-WING candidate? The only choice you have now is far-right or
extreme-right.
[]'s
Did you not notice my use of the word "increased?"
Yes, of course it's increased. You always elect right wing
politicians. They don't represent you, they represent those that hold
your puppet-strings. And the greater the power that banks and big
corps have over the government the more control they have over the
general population.
It's got to the point where the rich don't even go to jail for
serious felonies. They are above the law. The OWN the law.
[]'s
No government bureaucrat represents me. That's true of left, right, or
center (whatever ??? that means) bureaucrats.

...and in the big cities of the USA, the real criminals don't go to
jail, either.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
AMuzi
2024-11-21 13:43:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably
except in an instance where he wrote that socialism is a
necessary intermediate step to communism.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 14:28:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably except in an
instance where he wrote that socialism is a necessary intermediate step
to communism.
I claiming Marx used the terms interchangeably is a gross
mischaracterization to the point of being just plain wrong.
--
Add xx to reply
AMuzi
2024-11-21 15:20:02 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 11:47:52 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
On Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:27:31 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from
the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one,
park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person
to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/
the-dutch- anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-
revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND
his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many
bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the
lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared.
Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I
would
not expect anything else. They will never understand
the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a
"bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they
largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms
interchangeably except in an instance where he wrote that
socialism is a necessary intermediate step to communism.
I claiming Marx used the terms interchangeably is a gross
mischaracterization to the point of being just plain wrong.
Uh, are you claiming that Marx didn't understand Marxism??
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 17:25:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably except in
an instance where he wrote that socialism is a necessary intermediate
step to communism.
I claiming Marx used the terms interchangeably is a gross
mischaracterization to the point of being just plain wrong.
Uh, are you claiming that Marx didn't understand Marxism??
I'm claiming that the claim that Marx using the terms interchangeably
other than in generalities is a gross mischaracterization to the point
of being just plain wrong.

This is the point I and (I think) Roger are trying to make: Marx is not
the be-all end-all standard for either communism or socialism. He had
his utopian (or dystopian) view which was based on his interpretations
of positive humanism, socialism, communism, and individual freedom.

The vast majority of people on western democracies that promote
socialist ideas do so int he context of social democracies - not pure
socialism and certainly not communism.

It's perfectly compatible to support socialist programs and believe
(understand) that Marx was wrong.
--
Add xx to reply
Roger Merriman
2024-11-21 23:32:59 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably except in
an instance where he wrote that socialism is a necessary intermediate
step to communism.
I claiming Marx used the terms interchangeably is a gross
mischaracterization to the point of being just plain wrong.
Uh, are you claiming that Marx didn't understand Marxism??
I'm claiming that the claim that Marx using the terms interchangeably
other than in generalities is a gross mischaracterization to the point
of being just plain wrong.
This is the point I and (I think) Roger are trying to make: Marx is not
the be-all end-all standard for either communism or socialism. He had
his utopian (or dystopian) view which was based on his interpretations
of positive humanism, socialism, communism, and individual freedom.
The vast majority of people on western democracies that promote
socialist ideas do so int he context of social democracies - not pure
socialism and certainly not communism.
It's perfectly compatible to support socialist programs and believe
(understand) that Marx was wrong.
I’d go further and suggest that in general Socialist support for Communism
just isn’t there, not helped by the few countries that do have a Communist
government, ie seems to end up with the power and wealth in a few peoples
lives.

Clearly this is just the Marx version of communism or more correctly
Marxism–Leninism.

Roger Merriman
zen cycle
2024-11-22 11:40:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/
WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/ the-dutch-
anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing- revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap).  They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably except in
an instance where he wrote that socialism is a necessary intermediate
step to communism.
I claiming Marx used the terms interchangeably is a gross
mischaracterization to the point of being just plain wrong.
Uh, are you claiming that Marx didn't understand Marxism??
I'm claiming that the claim that Marx using the terms interchangeably
other than in generalities is a gross mischaracterization to the point
of being just plain wrong.
This is the point I and (I think) Roger are trying to make: Marx is not
the be-all end-all standard for either communism or socialism. He had
his utopian (or dystopian) view which was based on his interpretations
of positive humanism, socialism, communism, and individual freedom.
The vast majority of people on western democracies that promote
socialist ideas do so int he context of social democracies - not pure
socialism and certainly not communism.
It's perfectly compatible to support socialist programs and believe
(understand) that Marx was wrong.
I’d go further and suggest that in general Socialist support for Communism
just isn’t there, not helped by the few countries that do have a Communist
government, ie seems to end up with the power and wealth in a few peoples
lives.
Clearly this is just the Marx version of communism or more correctly
Marxism–Leninism.
The US is being sold an oligarchy under the ruse of "personal freedom".

"we'll leave you alone as long as you don't complain when we have all of
your money".

The price of freedom!!!
Roger Merriman
2024-11-21 14:49:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably
except in an instance where he wrote that socialism is a
necessary intermediate step to communism.
I’m sure he did! And deliberately so but doesn’t make it true!

Roger Merriman
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-21 15:00:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably
except in an instance where he wrote that socialism is a
necessary intermediate step to communism.
I’m sure he did! And deliberately so but doesn’t make it true!
Roger Merriman
Socialism is simply "Communism light." Social Democracy and Democratic
Socialism are contradictions in terms. Many, perhaps most children
resent and resists adult intrusion into their lives. Why any adult
would submit to that is a mystery.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
2024-11-21 23:14:30 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably
except in an instance where he wrote that socialism is a
necessary intermediate step to communism.
I’m sure he did! And deliberately so but doesn’t make it true!
Roger Merriman
Socialism is simply "Communism light." Social Democracy and Democratic
Socialism are contradictions in terms. Many, perhaps most children
resent and resists adult intrusion into their lives. Why any adult
would submit to that is a mystery.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
No socialism really isn’t just Communism lite, Communism is quite a
different beast, where as Socialism certainly as practiced by governments
is generally just a means of tempering rampant capitalism ie trying to keep
to the sweet spot.

Roger Merriman
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-21 23:50:30 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I?d say they largely don?t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably
except in an instance where he wrote that socialism is a
necessary intermediate step to communism.
I?m sure he did! And deliberately so but doesn?t make it true!
Roger Merriman
Socialism is simply "Communism light." Social Democracy and Democratic
Socialism are contradictions in terms. Many, perhaps most children
resent and resists adult intrusion into their lives. Why any adult
would submit to that is a mystery.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
No socialism really isn’t just Communism lite, Communism is quite a
different beast, where as Socialism certainly as practiced by governments
is generally just a means of tempering rampant capitalism ie trying to keep
to the sweet spot.
Roger Merriman
The "official" classic definition of Sociaism is public (that means
the government) ownership of the means of production. That means the
government runs all the businesses, decides what gets produced and
detirmines and pays everyone's wages.

Now I know the current version of "socialism" is that the government
merely makes the laws and rules for all the above, without actually
owning the businesses.

There was a considerable revolt against that in the USA a few weeks
ago.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
2024-11-22 10:16:13 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I?d say they largely don?t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably
except in an instance where he wrote that socialism is a
necessary intermediate step to communism.
I?m sure he did! And deliberately so but doesn?t make it true!
Roger Merriman
Socialism is simply "Communism light." Social Democracy and Democratic
Socialism are contradictions in terms. Many, perhaps most children
resent and resists adult intrusion into their lives. Why any adult
would submit to that is a mystery.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
No socialism really isn’t just Communism lite, Communism is quite a
different beast, where as Socialism certainly as practiced by governments
is generally just a means of tempering rampant capitalism ie trying to keep
to the sweet spot.
Roger Merriman
The "official" classic definition of Sociaism is public (that means
the government) ownership of the means of production. That means the
government runs all the businesses, decides what gets produced and
detirmines and pays everyone's wages.
No thats communism socialism does often mean state owned services so
utilities and health services but allows plenty of space for private
businesses.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Now I know the current version of "socialism" is that the government
merely makes the laws and rules for all the above, without actually
owning the businesses.
Lots the countries own utilities or part of them, USA for example has
public funded passenger rail.
Post by Catrike Ryder
There was a considerable revolt against that in the USA a few weeks
ago.
Don’t believe it was a landslide election nor voted on in that regard, very
few of even your “hard left” politicians would be socialist, as USA is so
to the right.
Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-22 11:25:44 UTC
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Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I?d say they largely don?t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably
except in an instance where he wrote that socialism is a
necessary intermediate step to communism.
I?m sure he did! And deliberately so but doesn?t make it true!
Roger Merriman
Socialism is simply "Communism light." Social Democracy and Democratic
Socialism are contradictions in terms. Many, perhaps most children
resent and resists adult intrusion into their lives. Why any adult
would submit to that is a mystery.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
No socialism really isn?t just Communism lite, Communism is quite a
different beast, where as Socialism certainly as practiced by governments
is generally just a means of tempering rampant capitalism ie trying to keep
to the sweet spot.
Roger Merriman
The "official" classic definition of Sociaism is public (that means
the government) ownership of the means of production. That means the
government runs all the businesses, decides what gets produced and
detirmines and pays everyone's wages.
No thats communism socialism does often mean state owned services so
utilities and health services but allows plenty of space for private
businesses.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Now I know the current version of "socialism" is that the government
merely makes the laws and rules for all the above, without actually
owning the businesses.
Lots the countries own utilities or part of them,
Government owned utilities are one thing, government owned auto
companies are something else.
Post by Roger Merriman
USA for example has
public funded passenger rail.
which is a total failure... One of many government owned/run
businesses that ought to be flushed. Bureaucrats don't make good
business decisions.
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
There was a considerable revolt against that in the USA a few weeks
ago.
Don’t believe it was a landslide election nor voted on in that regard, very
few of even your “hard left” politicians would be socialist, as USA is so
to the right.
It was a massive rejection of leftist policies.
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
zen cycle
2024-11-22 11:45:40 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Lots the countries own utilities or part of them,
Government owned utilities are one thing, government owned auto
companies are something else.
Funny, I didn't hear of any government owned car companies, or a move to
do so, unless you want to consider Tesla a government partnership how
that its CEO is being given free reign on commerce issues.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
USA for example has
public funded passenger rail.
which is a total failure... One of many government owned/run
businesses that ought to be flushed. Bureaucrats don't make good
business decisions.
Yeah, fuck the fact that tens of millions rely on it every day to get to
work.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
There was a considerable revolt against that in the USA a few weeks
ago.
Don’t believe it was a landslide election nor voted on in that regard, very
few of even your “hard left” politicians would be socialist, as USA is so
to the right.
It was a massive rejection of leftist policies.
Or so your right wing echo chamber tells you. It was the smallest margin
of victory since Bush/Gore. Hardly a massive rejection of anything.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
zen cycle
2024-11-22 11:46:59 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Lots the countries own utilities or part of them,
Government owned utilities are one thing, government owned auto
companies are something else.
Funny, I didn't hear of any government owned car companies, or a move to
do so, unless you want to consider Tesla a government partnership how
that its CEO is being given free reign on commerce issues.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
USA for example has
public funded passenger rail.
which is a total failure... One of many government owned/run
businesses that ought to be flushed. Bureaucrats don't make good
business decisions.
Yeah, fuck the fact that tens of millions rely on it every day to get to
work.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
There was a considerable revolt against that in the USA a few weeks
ago.
Don’t believe it was a landslide election nor voted on in that regard, very
few of even your “hard left” politicians would be socialist, as USA is so
to the right.
It was a massive rejection of leftist policies.
Or so your right wing echo chamber tells you. It was the smallest margin
of victory since Bush/Gore. Hardly a massive rejection of anything.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Shadow
2024-11-22 11:14:41 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
The "official" classic definition of Sociaism
Official? LOL. Sources?
Post by Catrike Ryder
is public (that means
the government) ownership of the means of production. That means the
government runs all the businesses, decides what gets produced and
detirmines and pays everyone's wages.
That's communism. That is very bad, as in, that's a
dictatorship. The bosses are different than from a right wing
dictatorship( where big corps own the means of production, determine
what and how much gets produced,prices and wages), but from the point
of view of the average citizen, they are identical.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Now I know the current version of "socialism" is that the government
merely makes the laws and rules for all the above, without actually
owning the businesses.
That's socialism. The government only decides policy when it's
public services like health, education, transport, security, etc, OR
if a private "business" becomes a monopoly, and has to be split up
into smaller companies.
Competition is essential in a healthy capitalistic world.
Microsoft was almost split up a few decades ago, but the
people were brainwashed by government propaganda that it was "a bad
idea". Google is being investigated in the EU for monopoly by
anti-trust specialists.
Google owns the people in the US, don't expect anyone to
complain that Android(and Apple/Meta/Cloudfare) spies on them 24/7.
The US sheeple have been brainwashed into not caring..
Post by Catrike Ryder
There was a considerable revolt against that in the USA a few weeks
ago.
Against what, the fall of capitalism? I agree. There are so
many monopolies in the US that capitalism only exists at the corner
shop. Revolt? The people don't have a say in the matter. So they
"revolt" by electing a clown like Trump.
[]'s
--
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
zen cycle
2024-11-22 11:46:51 UTC
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Post by Shadow
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 18:50:30 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
The "official" classic definition of Sociaism
Official? LOL. Sources?
Post by Catrike Ryder
is public (that means
the government) ownership of the means of production. That means the
government runs all the businesses, decides what gets produced and
detirmines and pays everyone's wages.
That's communism. That is very bad, as in, that's a
dictatorship. The bosses are different than from a right wing
dictatorship( where big corps own the means of production, determine
what and how much gets produced,prices and wages), but from the point
of view of the average citizen, they are identical.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Now I know the current version of "socialism" is that the government
merely makes the laws and rules for all the above, without actually
owning the businesses.
That's socialism. The government only decides policy when it's
public services like health, education, transport, security, etc, OR
if a private "business" becomes a monopoly, and has to be split up
into smaller companies.
Competition is essential in a healthy capitalistic world.
Microsoft was almost split up a few decades ago, but the
people were brainwashed by government propaganda that it was "a bad
idea". Google is being investigated in the EU for monopoly by
anti-trust specialists.
Google owns the people in the US, don't expect anyone to
complain that Android(and Apple/Meta/Cloudfare) spies on them 24/7.
The US sheeple have been brainwashed into not caring..
Post by Catrike Ryder
There was a considerable revolt against that in the USA a few weeks
ago.
Against what, the fall of capitalism? I agree. There are so
many monopolies in the US that capitalism only exists at the corner
shop. Revolt? The people don't have a say in the matter. So they
"revolt" by electing a clown like Trump.
[]'s
+1
Very well put
Catrike Ryder
2024-11-22 12:02:43 UTC
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Post by Shadow
On Thu, 21 Nov 2024 18:50:30 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
The "official" classic definition of Sociaism
Official? LOL. Sources?
socialism
noun

any economic or political system based on government ownership and
control of important businesses and methods of production
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/socialism

The "official" tag had quote marks to indicate it was done in jest.
That definition of socialism is generally accepted.
Post by Shadow
Post by Catrike Ryder
is public (that means
the government) ownership of the means of production. That means the
government runs all the businesses, decides what gets produced and
detirmines and pays everyone's wages.
That's communism. That is very bad, as in, that's a
dictatorship. The bosses are different than from a right wing
dictatorship( where big corps own the means of production, determine
what and how much gets produced,prices and wages), but from the point
of view of the average citizen, they are identical.
Nonsense. I own shares and collect revenue from the means of
production.
Post by Shadow
Post by Catrike Ryder
Now I know the current version of "socialism" is that the government
merely makes the laws and rules for all the above, without actually
owning the businesses.
That's socialism. The government only decides policy when it's
public services like health, education, transport, security, etc, OR
if a private "business" becomes a monopoly, and has to be split up
into smaller companies.
Competition is essential in a healthy capitalistic world.
Microsoft was almost split up a few decades ago, but the
people were brainwashed by government propaganda that it was "a bad
idea". Google is being investigated in the EU for monopoly by
anti-trust specialists.
Google owns the people in the US, don't expect anyone to
complain that Android(and Apple/Meta/Cloudfare) spies on them 24/7.
I share your distaste for google and I'm not particularly happy with
Microsoft, even though I use their products.
Post by Shadow
The US sheeple have been brainwashed into not caring..
Post by Catrike Ryder
There was a considerable revolt against that in the USA a few weeks
ago.
Against what,
Against leftist policies.
Post by Shadow
the fall of capitalism? I agree. There are so
many monopolies in the US that capitalism only exists at the corner
shop. Revolt? The people don't have a say in the matter. So they
"revolt" by electing a clown like Trump.
[]'s
Many people have invested interest in capitalism. Those who haven't
have only themselves to blame.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
AMuzi
2024-11-21 15:21:57 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably
except in an instance where he wrote that socialism is a
necessary intermediate step to communism.
I’m sure he did! And deliberately so but doesn’t make it true!
Roger Merriman
So you claim that Marx did not understand Marxism??
--
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***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Shadow
2024-11-21 17:49:58 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
Post by AMuzi
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
https://divvybikes.com/how-it-works
Which is a modern system. In 1967, Amsterdm had a 'white
bike' share system for basic commuter bicycles. Painted
white with directions printed, anyone could ride one, park
it in a public area and leave it for the next person to use.
That actually worked for Nederlanders for a time.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2022-02-26/the-dutch-anarchists-who-launched-a-bikesharing-revolution
(photos!)
I had no idea anything like that existed. What an amazing
project.
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
Post by AMuzi
A similar system was tried here and there, notably in my
city in 1971 (I worked on that and built/painted many bikes
from used/scrap). They were mostly pulled from the lake a
year later, with the rest completely disappeared. Different
culture I suppose.
If people are taught that socialism is a "bad" thing, I would
not expect anything else. They will never understand the concept of
"ours". They only understand "mine".
Most people don't need to be taught that socialism is a "bad" thing.
All they have to do is understand what it is.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Judging by the (American) comments on here I’d say they largely don’t and
confuse it with communism etc.
Roger Merriman
Marx, who ought to know, used the two terms interchangeably
except in an instance where he wrote that socialism is a
necessary intermediate step to communism.
Marx was a nutjob. As is Trump. He said "grab them by the
pussy".
I take neither of them seriously. The EU has been socialist
for much of it's history. No signs of communism yet. Au contraire, I'm
seeing right wing fascism.
[]'s
--
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
zen cycle
2024-11-21 10:27:23 UTC
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Post by Shadow
Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
YA DON'T SAY!!!

haha....
AMuzi
2024-11-21 13:39:07 UTC
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Post by zen cycle
    Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND
his gun...
YA DON'T SAY!!!
haha....
That goes both ways, randomly and everywhere:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/14/cyclist-video-tik-tok-robbers-west-bromwich-gang-ebike/

https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=128863

Sometimes defense is successful, sometimes not.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Zen Cycle
2024-11-21 14:29:28 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
    Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun...
YA DON'T SAY!!!
haha....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/14/cyclist-video-tik-tok-
robbers-west-bromwich-gang-ebike/
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=128863
Sometimes defense is successful, sometimes not.
Did you miss the point that I was making a dig at people who are afraid
to go for rides without their gun?
--
Add xx to reply
AMuzi
2024-11-21 15:20:56 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
    Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND
his gun...
YA DON'T SAY!!!
haha....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/14/cyclist-video-
tik-tok- robbers-west-bromwich-gang-ebike/
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=128863
Sometimes defense is successful, sometimes not.
Did you miss the point that I was making a dig at people who
are afraid to go for rides without their gun?
Sorry I missed that point.

Then again for specific cyclists on specific routes it may
well be prudent.
--
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***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
John B.
2024-11-22 02:57:51 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by zen cycle
    Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND
his gun...
YA DON'T SAY!!!
haha....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/14/cyclist-video-
tik-tok- robbers-west-bromwich-gang-ebike/
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=128863
Sometimes defense is successful, sometimes not.
Did you miss the point that I was making a dig at people who
are afraid to go for rides without their gun?
Sorry I missed that point.
Then again for specific cyclists on specific routes it may
well be prudent.
And.. it, in the case of the Trik Guy, is perfectly legal, just as is
wearing a helmet. So all the loud cries and screams about guns and
helmets?
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zen cycle
2024-11-22 11:48:56 UTC
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    Here in Brazil gangs of armed robbers "hijack" riders.
Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND
his gun...
YA DON'T SAY!!!
haha....
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/14/cyclist-video-
tik-tok- robbers-west-bromwich-gang-ebike/
https://www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=128863
Sometimes defense is successful, sometimes not.
Did you miss the point that I was making a dig at people who
are afraid to go for rides without their gun?
Sorry I missed that point.
Then again for specific cyclists on specific routes it may
well be prudent.
And.. it, in the case of the Trik Guy, is perfectly legal, just as is
wearing a helmet. So all the loud cries and screams about guns and
helmets?
no one said it wasn't legal. The point - since you missed it - was
"Sometimes the rider is armed, so they take his bike AND his gun"
Zen Cycle
2024-11-20 21:36:38 UTC
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https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
"For university students, grabbing a shared bike ...."
What's a "shared bike" ? Not a tandem, judging from the pics.
There is only one person on each bike.
[]'s
'shared' bikes I think is a bad 'engrish' translation for a bike
sharing program. Boston has had one running since 2011 called Blue Bikes.

https://bluebikes.com/

Other than complaints about cycling infrastructure in general (both pro
and con), there haven't much of any specific complaints about the
program other than the usual bad yelp-style reviews.
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John B.
2024-11-21 01:02:37 UTC
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https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202411/11/WS67315c6fa310f1265a1cc95c.html
My nephew and friends just got back from a week in China and tells me
that, "Yes, there a lot of bicycles, but even more small motor
scooters".
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