Selling used bikes

On 10/3/2024 12:54 AM, cyclintom proved once again that I live rent free

and he keeps making things up. Tommy said it was a gravel bike, I noted
it was marketed in 2006 as a cx bike
https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/409665/

Post by cyclintom
is getting no attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here

Apparently tommy has established a reputation.

Post by cyclintom
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to learn on their own.

Rather than have tommy teach them they should stop pedaling to shift and
accelerate from every stop light at maximum power? go figure....

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Frank Krygowski

2024-10-03 19:42:01 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

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Catrike Ryder

2024-10-03 19:56:43 UTC

On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.

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Soloman

Roger Merriman

2024-10-03 20:39:39 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

It is a discussion forum, so Frank commenting is kinda of the point of it.

This said I’m not convinced that Tom is unhappy or happy maybe frustrating
when builds hit problems but i suspect he does this as he enjoys it.

Ie getting annoyed with one aspect doesn’t mean you’re annoying by the
whole thing.

Roger Merriman

Zen Cycle

2024-10-03 20:52:47 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

It is a discussion forum, so Frank commenting is kinda of the point of it.

+1 Roger, my thoughts exactly. If tom didn't want his posts to be a
topic for discussion, tom shouldn't be posting. This is a discussion
forum, a point which the floriduh dumbass repeatedly seems to not
understand.

Post by Roger Merriman
This said I’m not convinced that Tom is unhappy or happy maybe frustrating
when builds hit problems but i suspect he does this as he enjoys it.
Ie getting annoyed with one aspect doesn’t mean you’re annoying by the
whole thing.
Roger Merriman

I've come to the conclusion that it isn't possible for Tom to be happy
about anything.

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Roger Merriman

2024-10-03 21:05:31 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

It is a discussion forum, so Frank commenting is kinda of the point of it.

Indeed it’s more than a touch petty.

I've come to the conclusion that it isn't possible for Tom to be happy
about anything.

The story etc changes so much who knows!
Roger Merriman

cyclintom

2024-10-06 19:57:40 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

It is a discussion forum, so Frank commenting is kinda of the point of it.

Indeed it?s more than a touch petty.

Post by Roger Merriman
This said I?m not convinced that Tom is unhappy or happy maybe frustrating
when builds hit problems but i suspect he does this as he enjoys it.
Ie getting annoyed with one aspect doesn?t mean you?re annoying by the
whole thing.
Roger Merriman

I've come to the conclusion that it isn't possible for Tom to be happy
about anything.

The story etc changes so much who knows!
Roger Merriman

Where do you live Roger? I think that you haven't the slightest idea of what Biden has done to our economy.

Roger Merriman

2024-10-06 20:03:48 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to
learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

It is a discussion forum, so Frank commenting is kinda of the point of it.

Indeed it?s more than a touch petty.

I've come to the conclusion that it isn't possible for Tom to be happy
about anything.

The story etc changes so much who knows!
Roger Merriman

Where do you live Roger? I think that you haven't the slightest idea of
what Biden has done to our economy.

Even if true thats not what folks where discussing ie your interest in
building up bikes and then reselling them and so on.

Roger Merriman

Zen Cycle

2024-10-07 13:09:16 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to
learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

It is a discussion forum, so Frank commenting is kinda of the point of it.

Indeed it?s more than a touch petty.

I've come to the conclusion that it isn't possible for Tom to be happy
about anything.

The story etc changes so much who knows!
Roger Merriman

Where do you live Roger? I think that you haven't the slightest idea of
what Biden has done to our economy.

Even if true thats not what folks where discussing ie your interest in
building up bikes and then reselling them and so on.

It isn't true. Tommys been ranting about how we're in a recession, no
one has jobs, and the economy is going into total meltdown head for a
great depression ever since Biden won the presidency. Of course none of
the facts actually support any of that.

Post by Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman

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cyclintom

2024-10-07 20:35:12 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to
learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

It is a discussion forum, so Frank commenting is kinda of the point of it.

Indeed it?s more than a touch petty.

I've come to the conclusion that it isn't possible for Tom to be happy
about anything.

The story etc changes so much who knows!
Roger Merriman

Where do you live Roger? I think that you haven't the slightest idea of
what Biden has done to our economy.

Even if true thats not what folks where discussing ie your interest in
building up bikes and then reselling them and so on.

Post by Roger Merriman
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A recession is the dramatic drop in REAL Gross Domestic Product. The Biden and Janet Yellen had put us in a recession since they entered office.

https://apnews.com/article/is-us-economy-in-recession-8be54810a122a2f84f0f7b3329ab1c9e

When you know you're in a recession and you don't want to take the blame simply lie about it like Flunky does.

Zen Cycle

2024-10-07 21:00:11 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to
learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

It is a discussion forum, so Frank commenting is kinda of the point of it.

Indeed it?s more than a touch petty.

I've come to the conclusion that it isn't possible for Tom to be happy
about anything.

The story etc changes so much who knows!
Roger Merriman

Where do you live Roger? I think that you haven't the slightest idea of
what Biden has done to our economy.

Even if true thats not what folks where discussing ie your interest in
building up bikes and then reselling them and so on.

Post by Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman

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A recession is the dramatic drop in REAL Gross Domestic Product.

No, a recession is two straight quarters of negative GDP along with
other factors: https://www.forbes.com/advisor/investing/what-is-a-recession/

“a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy,
lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real
income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales.”

Post by cyclintom
The Biden and Janet Yellen had put us in a recession since they entered office.

lol... the economy biden inherited was created by trump, and it wasn't a
good one. No, we aren't in a recession, we came close, but never really
hit that mark.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/simonmoore/2024/08/30/is-a-recession-coming-for-the-us-economy/

"A 2024 recession is generally seen as unlikely, but metrics that
economics take seriously hint that a recession could occur, perhaps in
2025."

Post by cyclintom
https://apnews.com/article/is-us-economy-in-recession-8be54810a122a2f84f0f7b3329ab1c9e

Sure sparky. Post a two-year-old article that states "The U.S. economy
grew faster than expected in the July-September quarter, the government
reported Thursday, underscoring that the United States is not in a
recession"

Post by cyclintom
When you know you're in a recession and you don't want to take the blame simply lie about it like Flunky does.

Or, you could actualyy find a current article that states we're in a
recession to, or even one that states we were in one, to prove your point.

Go ahead, we'll wait.

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Catrike Ryder

2024-10-04 09:32:09 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

It is a discussion forum, so Frank commenting is kinda of the point of it.

Krygowski wasn't discussing, his comment was unsolicited advice. I did
the same to him.

Post by Roger Merriman
This said Im not convinced that Tom is unhappy or happy maybe frustrating
when builds hit problems but i suspect he does this as he enjoys it.
Ie getting annoyed with one aspect doesnt mean youre annoying by the
whole thing.
Roger Merriman

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Zen Cycle

2024-10-04 11:32:02 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

It is a discussion forum, so Frank commenting is kinda of the point of it.

Krygowski wasn't discussing, his comment was unsolicited advice. I did
the same to him.

Giving advice is a component of discussion. sorry dumbass, you can't
humpty-dumpty your way out of this one.

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Soloman

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Roger Merriman

2024-10-04 11:34:12 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

It is a discussion forum, so Frank commenting is kinda of the point of it.

Krygowski wasn't discussing, his comment was unsolicited advice. I did
the same to him.

No Frank is clearly a bit puzzled by Tom building up and then selling on
bikes, like Andrew I chalk that to various people who seem do similar and
Andrew gave examples so while I don’t get the attraction I get that it is
something folks do.

Your response is just trolling, and essentially playground esq.

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Roger Merriman

cyclintom

2024-10-06 19:54:32 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

It is a discussion forum, so Frank commenting is kinda of the point of it.
This said I?m not convinced that Tom is unhappy or happy maybe frustrating
when builds hit problems but i suspect he does this as he enjoys it.
Ie getting annoyed with one aspect doesn?t mean you?re annoying by the
whole thing.
Roger Merriman

The current strategy worked fine until you could lift a $100 bag of groceries with one finger.

AMuzi

2024-10-06 20:33:29 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

The current strategy worked fine until you could lift a $100 bag of groceries with one finger.

That can be explained in 26 seconds:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/08/26/trump_campaign_ad_quotes_harris_on_high_prices_thats_called_bidenomics.html

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-06 21:49:24 UTC

Post by cyclintom
The current strategy worked fine until you could lift a $100 bag of
groceries with one finger.

:-) I don't recall you bragging about lots of profitable sales of your
used bikes. All I recall is years of endless complaints that nothing is
selling, no matter who was president.

Maybe you should remind us of all your successes?

Post by AMuzi
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/08/26/
trump_campaign_ad_quotes_harris_on_high_prices_thats_called_bidenomics.html

How lucky the rest of the world was, to experience no inflation during
Biden's term!

Oh, wait...

--
- Frank Krygowski

cyclintom

2024-10-07 20:24:56 UTC

Post by cyclintom
The current strategy worked fine until you could lift a $100 bag of
groceries with one finger.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/08/26/
trump_campaign_ad_quotes_harris_on_high_prices_thats_called_bidenomics.html

How lucky the rest of the world was, to experience no inflation during
Biden's term!
Oh, wait...
--
- Frank Krygowski

"All I recall"

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-08 00:46:07 UTC

Post by cyclintom
The current strategy worked fine until you could lift a $100 bag of
groceries with one finger.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/08/26/
trump_campaign_ad_quotes_harris_on_high_prices_thats_called_bidenomics.html

How lucky the rest of the world was, to experience no inflation during
Biden's term!
Oh, wait...

"All I recall"

Feel free to correct me with a list of sales and profits!

--
- Frank Krygowski

John B.

2024-10-07 00:59:07 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 15:42:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in the
garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even the
Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no
attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here
and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of
the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if you
should mind your own business.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

The current strategy worked fine until you could lift a $100 bag of groceries with one finger.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/08/26/trump_campaign_ad_quotes_harris_on_high_prices_thats_called_bidenomics.html

Well (:-) just increase salaries . That'll fix it, at least for a
minute or two .

--
Cheers,

John B.

AMuzi

2024-10-03 22:18:39 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops
though the very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold
a pair of shoes on Craigslist since two years ago. So I
have most of my extra space in the garage taken up with
bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team Machine with
Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but
even the Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road
bike is getting no attention. And it looks like new. The
Specialized Allez is sitting here and I intend to stip the
Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of the Madone
down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda
and the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation.
But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying
used bikes, shuffling components and (attempting) reselling
them seems to bring you nothing but frustration. The bikes
you do choose to ride generally start off wonderful but soon
become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly, or
otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for
yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't
working for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask
yourself if something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys
buying, swapping parts, rebuilding, changing ride position
and then re selling bicycles. He would not be alone in that.

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars.
firearms, motorcycles, etc.

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-04 02:55:23 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in
the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC
Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You
would expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even
the Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting
no attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting
here and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum
version of the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the
DeRosa. There are several bike clubs that started up locally in
Alameda and the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But
they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring
you nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally
start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you
too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look
for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if
something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying, swapping
parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-04 09:34:24 UTC

On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in
the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC
Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You
would expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even
the Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting
no attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting
here and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum
version of the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the
DeRosa. There are several bike clubs that started up locally in
Alameda and the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But
they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring
you nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally
start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you
too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look
for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if
something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying, swapping
parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-04 18:54:44 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!

My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Roger Merriman

2024-10-04 20:25:38 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!
My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.

Some people do like to complain! See British and the weather!

Roger Merriman

Jeff Liebermann

2024-10-04 21:30:40 UTC

Post by Roger Merriman
Some people do like to complain! See British and the weather!
Roger Merriman

Chuckle. We don't have much of that in the US. Instead, we have
people complaining about government agencies and commercial weather
forecasting organizations failing to accurately report tomorrows
weather. A common observation is that they tend have unrealistic
expectations.

It doesn't end there. When the weather guessing services accidentally
provided accurate predictions, the complainers moved on to something
else. When the rains damaged the roads, the complainers moved to
complaining about the lack of overnight road repair service. When the
wind blew down some inconveniently located 50 meter tall trees, the
complainers were critical of the local tree service company:
<https://www.davey.com/residential-tree-services/local-offices/santa-cruz-tree-service/>
When a large wildfire burned down 1,000 buildings and melted much of
the water districts plumbing, the complainers were there to complain
about traffic delays, reconstruction delays, rate increases, etc.

Whatever the problem, the complainers will be there to provide the
necessary background noises. They're part of the background noise and
are unlikely to disappear in the near future. Also, it's not "some
people do like to complain" but rather "a small group of people do all
the complaining". Whether they enjoy complaining is a different
problem and of little concern.

--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-04 23:56:05 UTC

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by Roger Merriman
Some people do like to complain! See British and the weather!
Roger Merriman

Chuckle. We don't have much of that in the US. Instead, we have
people complaining about government agencies and commercial weather
forecasting organizations failing to accurately report tomorrows
weather. A common observation is that they tend have unrealistic
expectations.
It doesn't end there. When the weather guessing services accidentally
provided accurate predictions, the complainers moved on to something
else. When the rains damaged the roads, the complainers moved to
complaining about the lack of overnight road repair service. When the
wind blew down some inconveniently located 50 meter tall trees, the
<https://www.davey.com/residential-tree-services/local-offices/santa-cruz-tree-service/>
When a large wildfire burned down 1,000 buildings and melted much of
the water districts plumbing, the complainers were there to complain
about traffic delays, reconstruction delays, rate increases, etc.
Whatever the problem, the complainers will be there to provide the
necessary background noises. They're part of the background noise and
are unlikely to disappear in the near future. Also, it's not "some
people do like to complain" but rather "a small group of people do all
the complaining". Whether they enjoy complaining is a different
problem and of little concern.

To me, there's a fundamental difference between complaining about
conditions that have been imposed on you, and complaining about
conditions you imposed on yourself. To me, that's weird about Tom.

He complains nobody is buying the bikes he's trying to sell. But he
persists in buying more bikes and trying to resell them. He complains
about mechanical problems in bikes he works on, but he continues trying
to work on bikes, making mistakes after mistakes.

He can do whatever he likes, of course. But it seems his actions are
bringing more frustration than joy.

--
- Frank Krygowski

AMuzi

2024-10-05 00:28:41 UTC

On Fri, 04 Oct 2024 20:25:38 GMT, Roger Merriman

Post by Roger Merriman
Some people do like to complain! See British and the
weather!
Roger Merriman

Chuckle. We don't have much of that in the US. Instead,
we have
people complaining about government agencies and
commercial weather
forecasting organizations failing to accurately report
tomorrows
weather. A common observation is that they tend have
unrealistic
expectations.
It doesn't end there. When the weather guessing services
accidentally
provided accurate predictions, the complainers moved on to
something
else. When the rains damaged the roads, the complainers
moved to
complaining about the lack of overnight road repair
service. When the
wind blew down some inconveniently located 50 meter tall
trees, the
<https://www.davey.com/residential-tree-services/local-
offices/santa-cruz-tree-service/>
When a large wildfire burned down 1,000 buildings and
melted much of
the water districts plumbing, the complainers were there
to complain
about traffic delays, reconstruction delays, rate
increases, etc.
Whatever the problem, the complainers will be there to
provide the
necessary background noises. They're part of the
background noise and
are unlikely to disappear in the near future. Also, it's
not "some
people do like to complain" but rather "a small group of
people do all
the complaining". Whether they enjoy complaining is a
different
problem and of little concern.

To me, there's a fundamental difference between complaining
about conditions that have been imposed on you, and
complaining about conditions you imposed on yourself. To me,
that's weird about Tom.
He complains nobody is buying the bikes he's trying to sell.
But he persists in buying more bikes and trying to resell
them. He complains about mechanical problems in bikes he
works on, but he continues trying to work on bikes, making
mistakes after mistakes.
He can do whatever he likes, of course. But it seems his
actions are bringing more frustration than joy.

meh.

Compare that to your average USAian bitching about his/her
body weight. As if that were a mystery!

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-05 01:02:51 UTC

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 19:56:05 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by Roger Merriman
Some people do like to complain! See British and the weather!
Roger Merriman

Chuckle. We don't have much of that in the US. Instead, we have
people complaining about government agencies and commercial weather
forecasting organizations failing to accurately report tomorrows
weather. A common observation is that they tend have unrealistic
expectations.
It doesn't end there. When the weather guessing services accidentally
provided accurate predictions, the complainers moved on to something
else. When the rains damaged the roads, the complainers moved to
complaining about the lack of overnight road repair service. When the
wind blew down some inconveniently located 50 meter tall trees, the
<https://www.davey.com/residential-tree-services/local-offices/santa-cruz-tree-service/>
When a large wildfire burned down 1,000 buildings and melted much of
the water districts plumbing, the complainers were there to complain
about traffic delays, reconstruction delays, rate increases, etc.
Whatever the problem, the complainers will be there to provide the
necessary background noises. They're part of the background noise and
are unlikely to disappear in the near future. Also, it's not "some
people do like to complain" but rather "a small group of people do all
the complaining". Whether they enjoy complaining is a different
problem and of little concern.

To me, there's a fundamental difference between complaining about
conditions that have been imposed on you, and complaining about
conditions you imposed on yourself. To me, that's weird about Tom.
He complains nobody is buying the bikes he's trying to sell. But he
persists in buying more bikes and trying to resell them. He complains
about mechanical problems in bikes he works on, but he continues trying
to work on bikes, making mistakes after mistakes.
He can do whatever he likes, of course. But it seems his actions are
bringing more frustration than joy.

To my he seems to be doing just fine, and that seems to be what's
frustrating you.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

cyclintom

2024-10-06 20:49:16 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!
My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.

Some people do like to complain! See British and the weather!
Roger Merriman

And yet the Brits have ALWAYS answer the call to arms to protect that country whose weather they complain about. Remember that Krygowski said that I was racist and yet I grew up in a completely mixed race neighborhood. Worked closely with every race. Had friends of every race (I even preferred blacks because they were mostly sober and honest) while he was born, grew up and presently lives in the almost entirely white area of Ohio.

I suggest you pay little attention to Frank or Flunky. Neither has an idea about life.

AMuzi

2024-10-06 21:06:22 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!
My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.

Some people do like to complain! See British and the weather!
Roger Merriman

And yet the Brits have ALWAYS answer the call to arms to protect that country whose weather they complain about. Remember that Krygowski said that I was racist and yet I grew up in a completely mixed race neighborhood. Worked closely with every race. Had friends of every race (I even preferred blacks because they were mostly sober and honest) while he was born, grew up and presently lives in the almost entirely white area of Ohio.
I suggest you pay little attention to Frank or Flunky. Neither has an idea about life.

???

You should write a book on logical argument.

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-04 20:36:03 UTC

On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:54:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!
My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.

I don't think he's unhappy. He seems to enjoy problem solving and
fiddling around with bicycles. I have the same motivations. Sometimes
I'll take something apart and put it back together just for fun.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

cyclintom

2024-10-06 20:42:00 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:54:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!
My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.

Frank hasn't so much as a passing clue about the complexity of modern bikes and me asking questions about a problem is his "complaining". Why is it that Krygowski has never answered one question about bicycles and Andrew is a font of knowledge?

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-06 20:53:06 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:54:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!
My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.

The seventies and eighties had the best music.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-06 22:04:33 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Frank hasn't so much as a passing clue about the complexity of modern bikes and me asking questions about a problem is his "complaining". Why is it that Krygowski has never answered one question about bicycles and Andrew is a font of knowledge?

Have you forgotten that Andrew has not infrequently told you that you
were wrong about bike technical issues?

--
- Frank Krygowski

John B.

2024-10-07 00:50:47 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:54:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!
My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.

"the complexity of modern bikes"?

And you the guy who had problems installing a seat tube?

--
Cheers,

John B.

Zen Cycle

2024-10-07 13:13:46 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:54:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!
My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.

Frank has never answered one question about bikes?

--
Add xx to reply

Roger Merriman

2024-10-07 13:31:28 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:54:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!
My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.

Frank hasn't so much as a passing clue about the complexity of modern
bikes and me asking questions about a problem is his "complaining". Why
is it that Krygowski has never answered one question about bicycles and
Andrew is a font of knowledge?

Frank has never answered one question about bikes?

I’m sure he has? didn’t he post in the Bottom Bracket thread? Since Tom
takes it the wrong way I can get why he often just posts minor digs!

Roger Merriman

Zen Cycle

2024-10-07 13:45:24 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 4 Oct 2024 14:54:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!
My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.

Frank hasn't so much as a passing clue about the complexity of modern
bikes and me asking questions about a problem is his "complaining". Why
is it that Krygowski has never answered one question about bicycles and
Andrew is a font of knowledge?

Frank has never answered one question about bikes?

I’m sure he has? didn’t he post in the Bottom Bracket thread? Since Tom
takes it the wrong way I can get why he often just posts minor digs!

Yes, Frank answers technical questions about bikes frequently. I was
being sarcastic.

Post by Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman

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cyclintom

2024-10-06 20:38:26 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!
My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.
--
- Frank Krygowski

You're perfectly happy with your bike because you feel blessed to be able to afford even an old heavy steel, freehub friction shifter with 6 speeds

Roger Merriman

2024-10-06 20:56:40 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 22:55:23 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Well, it is a discussion group, isn't it?

:-) Hey, Mr. Tricycle has learned something!
My point is that Tom's discussion posts reveal himself to be constantly
unhappy about his pile of bikes and his attempts to make them work. ISTM
an unhappy person should look for ways to improve his situation.
--
- Frank Krygowski

You're perfectly happy with your bike because you feel blessed to be able
to afford even an old heavy steel, freehub friction shifter with 6 speeds

As this is a technical group if your going to insist on trying to insult
him for having a old bike, he’s got a old Aluminium bike at least that’s
the bike it talks about, and 5 speed freewheel though apparently his wife
has a 6 speed.

I’d think a number of posters here have older bikes, considering the
average age and so on.

And one of the beauties of bikes is they are relatively simple reliable
machines.

Roger Merriman

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-06 22:03:12 UTC

Post by cyclintom
You're perfectly happy with your bike because you feel blessed to be able
to afford even an old heavy steel, freehub friction shifter with 6 speeds

As this is a technical group if your going to insist on trying to insult
him for having a old bike, he’s got a old Aluminium bike at least that’s
the bike it talks about, and 5 speed freewheel though apparently his wife
has a 6 speed.
I’d think a number of posters here have older bikes, considering the
average age and so on.
And one of the beauties of bikes is they are relatively simple reliable
machines.

Absolutely. And the reliability of this bike is one of the things I like
best.

My favorite bike has taken me coast to coast, and on other long tours
both in the U.S. and in other countries. Riding it, I still outride
almost all my friends despite their newer bikes. Unless I'm purposely
taking it slow, it's rare for me to finish a ride behind more than a
couple friends. Why would I want to go faster?

--
- Frank Krygowski

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-06 22:19:24 UTC

On Sun, 6 Oct 2024 18:03:12 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You're perfectly happy with your bike because you feel blessed to be able
to afford even an old heavy steel, freehub friction shifter with 6 speeds

As this is a technical group if your going to insist on trying to insult
him for having a old bike, hes got a old Aluminium bike at least thats
the bike it talks about, and 5 speed freewheel though apparently his wife
has a 6 speed.
Id think a number of posters here have older bikes, considering the
average age and so on.
And one of the beauties of bikes is they are relatively simple reliable
machines.

Absolutely. And the reliability of this bike is one of the things I like
best.
My favorite bike has taken me coast to coast, and on other long tours
both in the U.S. and in other countries. Riding it, I still outride
almost all my friends despite their newer bikes. Unless I'm purposely
taking it slow, it's rare for me to finish a ride behind more than a
couple friends. Why would I want to go faster?

Well, gosh, just look at you!

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Roger Merriman

2024-10-06 22:25:04 UTC

Post by cyclintom
You're perfectly happy with your bike because you feel blessed to be able
to afford even an old heavy steel, freehub friction shifter with 6 speeds

As this is a technical group if your going to insist on trying to insult
him for having a old bike, he’s got a old Aluminium bike at least that’s
the bike it talks about, and 5 speed freewheel though apparently his wife
has a 6 speed.
I’d think a number of posters here have older bikes, considering the
average age and so on.
And one of the beauties of bikes is they are relatively simple reliable
machines.

Absolutely. And the reliability of this bike is one of the things I like
best.
My favorite bike has taken me coast to coast, and on other long tours
both in the U.S. and in other countries. Riding it, I still outride
almost all my friends despite their newer bikes. Unless I'm purposely
taking it slow, it's rare for me to finish a ride behind more than a
couple friends. Why would I want to go faster?

Curiosity perhaps? Certainly the old school bike and my Gravel bike are
radically different in feel, though in tire volume and just head/seat tube
angles are fairly similar though in the details the gravel bike pushes one
into slightly more upright position and feels more planted, and is by some
margin less harsh.

Roger Merriman

cyclintom

2024-10-06 22:54:16 UTC

Post by cyclintom
You're perfectly happy with your bike because you feel blessed to be able
to afford even an old heavy steel, freehub friction shifter with 6 speeds

As this is a technical group if your going to insist on trying to insult
him for having a old bike, he?s got a old Aluminium bike at least that?s
the bike it talks about, and 5 speed freewheel though apparently his wife
has a 6 speed.
I?d think a number of posters here have older bikes, considering the
average age and so on.
And one of the beauties of bikes is they are relatively simple reliable
machines.

Absolutely. And the reliability of this bike is one of the things I like
best.
My favorite bike has taken me coast to coast, and on other long tours
both in the U.S. and in other countries. Riding it, I still outride
almost all my friends despite their newer bikes. Unless I'm purposely
taking it slow, it's rare for me to finish a ride behind more than a
couple friends. Why would I want to go faster?
--
- Frank Krygowski

That you like your bike is fine for you. Maybe you haven't noticed that others have opinions that differ with yours. Whether it is taste in bicycles to respect for the 2nd Amendment.

Roger Merriman

2024-10-04 11:34:14 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in
the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC
Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You
would expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even
the Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting
no attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting
here and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum
version of the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the
DeRosa. There are several bike clubs that started up locally in
Alameda and the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But
they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring
you nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally
start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you
too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look
for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if
something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying, swapping
parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Why not? I’d imagine lots of folks building up various projects have lots
of problems hence half built projects are definitely a thing!

Roger Merriman

Zen Cycle

2024-10-04 13:02:18 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in
the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC
Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You
would expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even
the Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting
no attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting
here and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum
version of the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the
DeRosa. There are several bike clubs that started up locally in
Alameda and the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But
they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring
you nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally
start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you
too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look
for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if
something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying, swapping
parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Why not? I’d imagine lots of folks building up various projects have lots
of problems hence half built projects are definitely a thing!
Roger Merriman

I think it's tommy's version of self-flagellation

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Roger Merriman

2024-10-04 15:40:53 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in
the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC
Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You
would expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even
the Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting
no attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting
here and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum
version of the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the
DeRosa. There are several bike clubs that started up locally in
Alameda and the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But
they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring
you nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally
start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you
too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look
for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if
something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying, swapping
parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Why not? I’d imagine lots of folks building up various projects have lots
of problems hence half built projects are definitely a thing!
Roger Merriman

I think it's tommy's version of self-flagellation

It does appear to be somewhat like that! Clearly he may not be so bothered.

Roger Merriman

cyclintom

2024-10-06 20:32:53 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in
the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC
Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You
would expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even
the Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting
no attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting
here and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum
version of the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the
DeRosa. There are several bike clubs that started up locally in
Alameda and the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But
they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring
you nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally
start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you
too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look
for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if
something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying, swapping
parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Why not? I?d imagine lots of folks building up various projects have lots
of problems hence half built projects are definitely a thing!
Roger Merriman

I think it's tommy's version of self-flagellation

It does appear to be somewhat like that! Clearly he may not be so bothered.
Roger Merriman

Flunky is the same guy that swore up and down that water bottole holders were attached wsith 5 mm and 5 mm screws That didn't work out all thaqt well wiuth him then either. Apparently he hasn't noticed the inflation. I can only imagine that he doesn't have any money to buy anything so he couldn't njotice inflation. I just bought two regular cheesebugers and a small order of fries for $34.but he would not complain about that at all.In case you think that profitable - he has had a help wanted sign up for 6 months and has to work on Sundays.

AMuzi

2024-10-06 20:39:06 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in
the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC
Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You
would expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even
the Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting
no attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting
here and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum
version of the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the
DeRosa. There are several bike clubs that started up locally in
Alameda and the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But
they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring
you nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally
start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you
too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look
for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if
something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying, swapping
parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Why not? I?d imagine lots of folks building up various projects have lots
of problems hence half built projects are definitely a thing!
Roger Merriman

I think it's tommy's version of self-flagellation

It does appear to be somewhat like that! Clearly he may not be so bothered.
Roger Merriman

[raises hand] It was I.

Bottle bosses are threaded m5x0.8. That was true in 1970 and
it's true today, a cumulative 700% + inflation later.

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Tom Kunich

2024-10-08 22:38:02 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though
the very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of
shoes on Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my
extra space in the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer
ride like the BMC Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the
Ridley Helium Di2. You would expect those to fly out of here
since they're cheap, but even the Cannondale Optima which Flunky
told us is a road bike is getting no attention. And it looks
like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here and I intend to
stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of the Madone
down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There are
several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have
to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to
bring you nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to
ride generally start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy,
too harsh, fit you too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They
soon cause you to look for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't
working for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask
yourself if something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying,
swapping parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re
selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Why not? I?d imagine lots of folks building up various projects have
lots of problems hence half built projects are definitely a thing!
Roger Merriman

I think it's tommy's version of self-flagellation

It does appear to be somewhat like that! Clearly he may not be so bothered.
Roger Merriman

Flunky is the same guy that swore up and down that water bottole
holders were attached wsith 5 mm and 5 mm screws That didn't work out
all thaqt well wiuth him then either. Apparently he hasn't noticed the
inflation. I can only imagine that he doesn't have any money to buy
anything so he couldn't njotice inflation. I just bought two regular
cheesebugers and a small order of fries for $34.but he would not
complain about that at all.In case you think that profitable - he has
had a help wanted sign up for 6 months and has to work on Sundays.

[raises hand] It was I.
Bottle bosses are threaded m5x0.8. That was true in 1970 and it's true
today, a cumulative 700% + inflation later.

When I wrote that I had just finished taking the water bottle mounts off
of my Tommassini and they were 4 mm and not 5. Have you ever seen a 5 mm
screw with a 4 mm allen head? Wouldn't the question be "why would they do
that"? Do I need to put a picture up?

AMuzi

2024-10-08 22:49:55 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though
the very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of
shoes on Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my
extra space in the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer
ride like the BMC Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the
Ridley Helium Di2. You would expect those to fly out of here
since they're cheap, but even the Cannondale Optima which Flunky
told us is a road bike is getting no attention. And it looks
like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here and I intend to
stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of the Madone
down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There are
several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have
to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to
bring you nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to
ride generally start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy,
too harsh, fit you too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They
soon cause you to look for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't
working for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask
yourself if something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying,
swapping parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re
selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Why not? I?d imagine lots of folks building up various projects have
lots of problems hence half built projects are definitely a thing!
Roger Merriman

I think it's tommy's version of self-flagellation

It does appear to be somewhat like that! Clearly he may not be so bothered.
Roger Merriman

Flunky is the same guy that swore up and down that water bottole
holders were attached wsith 5 mm and 5 mm screws That didn't work out
all thaqt well wiuth him then either. Apparently he hasn't noticed the
inflation. I can only imagine that he doesn't have any money to buy
anything so he couldn't njotice inflation. I just bought two regular
cheesebugers and a small order of fries for $34.but he would not
complain about that at all.In case you think that profitable - he has
had a help wanted sign up for 6 months and has to work on Sundays.

[raises hand] It was I.
Bottle bosses are threaded m5x0.8. That was true in 1970 and it's true
today, a cumulative 700% + inflation later.

This may surprise you but the DIN standard for an m5x0.8 cap
screw #912 is a 4mm allen broach.

https://www.boltking.co.uk/din-912

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

John B.

2024-10-09 00:17:20 UTC

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 22:38:02 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though
the very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of
shoes on Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my
extra space in the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer
ride like the BMC Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the
Ridley Helium Di2. You would expect those to fly out of here
since they're cheap, but even the Cannondale Optima which Flunky
told us is a road bike is getting no attention. And it looks
like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here and I intend to
stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of the Madone
down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There are
several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have
to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to
bring you nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to
ride generally start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy,
too harsh, fit you too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They
soon cause you to look for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't
working for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask
yourself if something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying,
swapping parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re
selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Why not? I?d imagine lots of folks building up various projects have
lots of problems hence half built projects are definitely a thing!
Roger Merriman

I think it's tommy's version of self-flagellation

It does appear to be somewhat like that! Clearly he may not be so bothered.
Roger Merriman

Flunky is the same guy that swore up and down that water bottole
holders were attached wsith 5 mm and 5 mm screws That didn't work out
all thaqt well wiuth him then either. Apparently he hasn't noticed the
inflation. I can only imagine that he doesn't have any money to buy
anything so he couldn't njotice inflation. I just bought two regular
cheesebugers and a small order of fries for $34.but he would not
complain about that at all.In case you think that profitable - he has
had a help wanted sign up for 6 months and has to work on Sundays.

[raises hand] It was I.
Bottle bosses are threaded m5x0.8. That was true in 1970 and it's true
today, a cumulative 700% + inflation later.

The famous mechanic!!!!

The standard for a 5 mm socket head cap screw is a 5 mm diameter
threaded body with a 4 mm (measured across the flats) socket head. Mr
Muzi posted the standards along with a chart to show you what he met.

It appears that the famous bicycle mechanic can't describe the size of
a bolt with out getting it wrong.

But once again
https://www.boltking.co.uk/din-912

--
Cheers,

John B.

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-09 01:33:39 UTC

Post by Tom Kunich
I had just finished taking the water bottle mounts off
of my Tommassini and they were 4 mm and not 5. Have you ever seen a 5 mm
screw with a 4 mm allen head? Wouldn't the question be "why would they do
that"? Do I need to put a picture up?

Tom, people here are believing their own extensive experience, plus
believing documentation regarding these screws. We're also believing
Andrew. _Nobody_ is believing you, as usual here.

So yes, you probably do need to put up several pictures. I suggest a
magnified view of the threaded hole in your Tommassini frame with a
millimeter scale immediately adjacent to it, at the very least.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Jeff Liebermann

2024-10-09 02:39:54 UTC

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 22:38:02 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Have you ever seen a 5 mm screw with a 4 mm allen head?

Yes, I have see such a screw, at any hardware store. Ask for an ISO
4762 or DIN 912 screw in size M5. All common 5mm Allen head screws
are made to fit a 4mm Allen head driver.

Wouldn't the question be "why would they do that"?

No. My question would be why would you want a 5mm diameter hole in a
5mm diameter screw? You would not have any wall thickness left. You
probably could design such a screw, except that it would have a rather
thick head and not resemble any screw commercially available.

Do I need to put a picture up?

Yes, you need to provide a picture. I would like to see you
photograph or draw a 5mm diameter screw with a 5mm diameter (between
the flats) Allen head drive, without increasing the head thickness:
<https://amesweb.info/Fasteners/Screws/Metric-Hexagon-Socket-Head-Cap-Screw-Dimensions.aspx>

Thanks for the laugh of the day.

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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Zen Cycle

2024-10-09 12:29:34 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though
the very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of
shoes on Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my
extra space in the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer
ride like the BMC Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the
Ridley Helium Di2. You would expect those to fly out of here
since they're cheap, but even the Cannondale Optima which Flunky
told us is a road bike is getting no attention. And it looks
like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting here and I intend to
stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of the Madone
down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There are
several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have
to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to
bring you nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to
ride generally start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy,
too harsh, fit you too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They
soon cause you to look for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't
working for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask
yourself if something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying,
swapping parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re
selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Why not? I?d imagine lots of folks building up various projects have
lots of problems hence half built projects are definitely a thing!
Roger Merriman

I think it's tommy's version of self-flagellation

It does appear to be somewhat like that! Clearly he may not be so bothered.
Roger Merriman

Flunky is the same guy that swore up and down that water bottole
holders were attached wsith 5 mm and 5 mm screws That didn't work out
all thaqt well wiuth him then either. Apparently he hasn't noticed the
inflation. I can only imagine that he doesn't have any money to buy
anything so he couldn't njotice inflation. I just bought two regular
cheesebugers and a small order of fries for $34.but he would not
complain about that at all.In case you think that profitable - he has
had a help wanted sign up for 6 months and has to work on Sundays.

[raises hand] It was I.
Bottle bosses are threaded m5x0.8. That was true in 1970 and it's true
today, a cumulative 700% + inflation later.

When I wrote that I had just finished taking the water bottle mounts off
of my Tommassini and they were 4 mm and not 5. Have you ever seen a 5 mm
screw with a 4 mm allen head?

That would be pretty much every M5 cap head screw ever made. M5 truss
head screws have 3mm drive sockets. I've had a number of those on my
bikes over the years (and yes, I understand why it's a 3mm drive in that
case).

Post by Tom Kunich
Wouldn't the question be "why would they do
that"? Do I need to put a picture up?

I think you need to do a little remedial reading on the difference
between an M4 screw and a 4mm drive.

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Frank Krygowski

2024-10-06 21:56:45 UTC

Post by cyclintom
I just bought two regular cheesebugers and a small order of fries for $34.

Really??

https://www.mcds-menu.com/

https://www.menuwithprice.com/menu/burger-king/?gad_source=1

etc.

Where are you shopping?

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- Frank Krygowski

cyclintom

2024-10-06 22:33:51 UTC

Post by cyclintom
I just bought two regular cheesebugers and a small order of fries for $34.

Really??
https://www.mcds-menu.com/
https://www.menuwithprice.com/menu/burger-king/?gad_source=1
etc.
Where are you shopping?
--
- Frank Krygowski

No wonder you don't know about inflation. You're eating out of Jack-In-The-Box. Some of us go where they use real meat.

Jeff Liebermann

2024-10-06 23:33:12 UTC

Post by cyclintom
No wonder you don't know about inflation. You're eating out of Jack-In-The-Box. Some of us go where they use real meat.

Did you say "real meat"?
<Loading Image...

>
If you're not busy, I wouldn't mind having you for dinner.
Keep drinking the wine. I like my dinner meat marinated in red wine.

(Please forgive me but that was too tempting to resist).

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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

AMuzi

2024-10-06 23:22:51 UTC

I just bought two regular cheesebugers and a small order
of fries for $34.

Really??
https://www.mcds-menu.com/
https://www.menuwithprice.com/menu/burger-king/?gad_source=1
etc.
Where are you shopping?

huh. I'm ignorant in this area so I tried In And Out and
Sonic. Both require login to start an order before seeing
prices.

--
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***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-07 00:53:33 UTC

I just bought two regular cheesebugers and a small order of fries
for $34.

Really??
https://www.mcds-menu.com/
https://www.menuwithprice.com/menu/burger-king/?gad_source=1
etc.
Where are you shopping?

huh. I'm ignorant in this area so I tried In And Out and Sonic. Both
require login to start an order before seeing prices.

Actually, I'm ignorant about cheeseburger prices as well. But I've seen
ads for extremely low McDonalds prices, and they didn't jibe with Tom's
$34 burgers.

I did stop at a McDonalds a couple months ago. We'd played a gig in a
distant city, I had a long drive home and I hadn't eaten. First
McDonalds in several years - and the previous one was in similar
circumstances.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Zen Cycle

2024-10-07 13:51:02 UTC

I just bought two regular cheesebugers and a small order of fries
for $34.

Really??
https://www.mcds-menu.com/
https://www.menuwithprice.com/menu/burger-king/?gad_source=1
etc.
Where are you shopping?

huh. I'm ignorant in this area so I tried In And Out and Sonic. Both
require login to start an order before seeing prices.

In San Leandro, there's https://www.rockyscharcoalsgrill.com/ A
cheeseburger is $7.40 and regular fries are $2.99 = $17.79

Then there's https://originalgiantburger.com/products/items/MTIyNA/NTEz
A cheeseburger is $8.50 and fries are $3.95 = $20.95

For the higher end there's
https://www.sonsoflibertyalehouse.com/san-leandro-menus#Dinner The only
burger on the menu is a Liberty Burger at $22 - but is does come with fries.

However knowing tommy's budget, I'm pretty sure here's working in this area:
https://www.google.com/search?q=mcdonald%27s+cheeseburger+price+in+san+leandro&client=firefox-b-1-d&sca_esv=427163c40a0d98b7&ei=ZuQDZ5Bm7pTk4w-TpZ-YDQ&ved=0ahUKEwiQsdaesvyIAxVuCnkGHZPSB9MQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=mcdonalds+cheesburger+price+insan+leandro&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiKW1jZG9uYWxkcyBjaGVlc2J1cmdlciBwcmljZSBpbnNhbiBsZWFuZHJvMgQQABhHMgQQABhHMgQQABhHMgQQABhHSLgHUABYAHAAeAKQAQCYAQCgAQCqAQC4AQPIAQCYAgGgAgyYAwDiAwUSATEgQIgGAZAGBJIHATGgBwA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

"A 2-cheeseburger meal costs $12.99 and includes two cheeseburgers,
fries, and a medium drink."

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Zen Cycle

2024-10-07 13:44:17 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in
the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC
Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You
would expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even
the Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting
no attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting
here and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum
version of the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the
DeRosa. There are several bike clubs that started up locally in
Alameda and the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But
they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring
you nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally
start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you
too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look
for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working
for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if
something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying, swapping
parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the problems and
results? I doubt it.

Why not? I?d imagine lots of folks building up various projects have lots
of problems hence half built projects are definitely a thing!
Roger Merriman

I think it's tommy's version of self-flagellation

It does appear to be somewhat like that! Clearly he may not be so bothered.
Roger Merriman

Flunky is the same guy that swore up and down that water bottole holders were attached wsith 5 mm and 5 mm screws That didn't work out all thaqt well wiuth him then either.

It worked out fine. Andrew concurred. You have an M5 screw with a 4mm
drive. In extremely rare cases you might find something different, but
certainly not on any of the bikes you have.

Post by cyclintom
Apparently he hasn't noticed the inflation.

Indeed I have.

Post by cyclintom
I can only imagine that he doesn't have any money to buy anything so he couldn't njotice inflation.

I'm pretty sure that isn't how it works.

Post by cyclintom
I just bought two regular cheesebugers and a small order of fries for $34.

We call that being a sucker around these parts. Be that as it may, it's
just another tommy lie.

In San Leandro, there's https://www.rockyscharcoalsgrill.com/ A
cheeseburger is $7.40 and regular fries are $2.99 = $17.79

Then there's https://originalgiantburger.com/products/items/MTIyNA/NTEz
A cheeseburger is $8.50 and fries are $3.95 = $20.95

For the higher end there's
https://www.sonsoflibertyalehouse.com/san-leandro-menus#Dinner The only
burger on the menu is a Liberty Burger at $22 - but is does come with
fries.

However knowing tommy's budget, I'm pretty sure here's working in this area:
https://www.google.com/search?q=mcdonald%27s+cheeseburger+price+in+san+leandro&client=firefox-b-1-d&sca_esv=427163c40a0d98b7&ei=ZuQDZ5Bm7pTk4w-TpZ-YDQ&ved=0ahUKEwiQsdaesvyIAxVuCnkGHZPSB9MQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=mcdonalds+cheesburger+price+insan+leandro&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiKW1jZG9uYWxkcyBjaGVlc2J1cmdlciBwcmljZSBpbnNhbiBsZWFuZHJvMgQQABhHMgQQABhHMgQQABhHMgQQABhHSLgHUABYAHAAeAKQAQCYAQCgAQCqAQC4AQPIAQCYAgGgAgyYAwDiAwUSATEgQIgGAZAGBJIHATGgBwA&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

"A 2-cheeseburger meal costs $12.99 and includes two cheeseburgers,
fries, and a medium drink."

Post by cyclintom
but he would not complain about that at all.

It depends. I've had a 30 dollar hamburger meal before. Sometimes it's
worth it, sometimes not.

Post by cyclintom
In case you think that profitable - he has had a help wanted sign up for 6 months and has to work on Sundays.

So, business is good!

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AMuzi

2024-10-04 12:53:59 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops
though the very top end are doing OK. I haven't even
sold a pair of shoes on Craigslist since two years ago.
So I have most of my extra space in the garage taken up
with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team
Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium
Di2. You would expect those to fly out of here since
they're cheap, but even the Cannondale Optima which
Flunky told us is a road bike is getting no attention.
And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting
here and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the
aluminum version of the Madone down to a frameset and
use the parts for the DeRosa. There are several bike
clubs that started up locally in Alameda and the
Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But
they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding
buying used bikes, shuffling components and (attempting)
reselling them seems to bring you nothing but
frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally
start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too
harsh, fit you too badly, or otherwise make you unhappy.
They soon cause you to look for yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one
isn't working for you; it isn't making you happy. You
should ask yourself if something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys
buying, swapping parts, rebuilding, changing ride position
and then re selling bicycles. He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars.
firearms, motorcycles, etc.

But do they spend as much time complaining about the
problems and results? I doubt it.

Mostly no but then again we all know people who see the
world as a glass not even half empty but with sharp jagged
edges...

--
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***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-04 09:47:20 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops
though the very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold
a pair of shoes on Craigslist since two years ago. So I
have most of my extra space in the garage taken up with
bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC Team Machine with
Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You would
expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but
even the Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road
bike is getting no attention. And it looks like new. The
Specialized Allez is sitting here and I intend to stip the
Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version of the Madone
down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa. There
are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda
and the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation.
But they have to learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying
used bikes, shuffling components and (attempting) reselling
them seems to bring you nothing but frustration. The bikes
you do choose to ride generally start off wonderful but soon
become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly, or
otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for
yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't
working for you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask
yourself if something needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys
buying, swapping parts, rebuilding, changing ride position
and then re selling bicycles. He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars.
firearms, motorcycles, etc.

+1

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Tom Kunich

2024-10-08 22:02:21 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Nothing is selling and this is eating up even good shops though the
very top end are doing OK. I haven't even sold a pair of shoes on
Craigslist since two years ago. So I have most of my extra space in
the garage taken up with bikes that I no longer ride like the BMC
Team Machine with Campy 12 speed manual or the Ridley Helium Di2. You
would expect those to fly out of here since they're cheap, but even
the Cannondale Optima which Flunky told us is a road bike is getting
no attention. And it looks like new. The Specialized Allez is sitting
here and I intend to stip the Trek Alpha which is the aluminum version
of the Madone down to a frameset and use the parts for the DeRosa.
There are several bike clubs that started up locally in Alameda and
the Freewheelers in Fremont has a younger generation. But they have to
learn on their own.

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally
start off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too
badly, or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for
yet another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.

More charitably, it may well be that Mr Kunich enjoys buying, swapping
parts, rebuilding, changing ride position and then re selling bicycles.
He would not be alone in that.
I also know guys with similar habits regarding cars. firearms,
motorcycles, etc.

You're expecting Krygowski to be charitable about anything since I told
him that he was not the reincarnation of Jobst?

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-09 01:26:56 UTC

Post by Tom Kunich
You're expecting Krygowski to be charitable about anything since I told
him that he was not the reincarnation of Jobst?

You're confused or fantasizing. I've never claimed to be a reincarnation
of Jobst.

I think what confuses you is that both Jobst and I were educated in
Mechanical Engineering. We both have made use of that education when
addressing come technical aspects of cycling. Yes, he did it far, far
more than I did, and I'd never claim otherwise.

But when you read competent engineering opinions, you think "Jobst"
instead of "engineer."

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- Frank Krygowski

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-09 10:45:28 UTC

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 21:26:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich
You're expecting Krygowski to be charitable about anything since I told
him that he was not the reincarnation of Jobst?

You're confused or fantasizing. I've never claimed to be a reincarnation
of Jobst.
I think what confuses you is that both Jobst and I were educated in
Mechanical Engineering. We both have made use of that education when
addressing come technical aspects of cycling. Yes, he did it far, far
more than I did, and I'd never claim otherwise.
But when you read competent engineering opinions, you think "Jobst"
instead of "engineer."

Krygowski seems to believe that mechanical engineering is required to
address riding his bicycle. From what I've seen here, Andrew Muzi has
far more savy on the mechanical aspects of bicycles.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

cyclintom

2024-10-05 00:12:14 UTC

Tom, your hobby or business or compulsion regarding buying used bikes,
shuffling components and (attempting) reselling them seems to bring you
nothing but frustration. The bikes you do choose to ride generally start
off wonderful but soon become too twitchy, too harsh, fit you too badly,
or otherwise make you unhappy. They soon cause you to look for yet
another different bike.
Maybe you need a different strategy? Your current one isn't working for
you; it isn't making you happy. You should ask yourself if something
needs to change.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, unlike you, I have some standards. Without a memory I had to completely relearn likes and dislikes. But you are perfectly satisfied with a 35 lb klunker that comes out of the shed once a month. except in the winter when you don't ride.

Meanwhile, the bikes I'm trying to sell now that I know what I want aren't moving and neither is the entire bicycle industry but you wouldn't know that because you haven't made an investment in bicycle parts for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't afford to?

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-05 15:08:33 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Meanwhile, the bikes I'm trying to sell now that I know what I want aren't moving and neither is the entire bicycle industry but you wouldn't know that because you haven't made an investment in bicycle parts for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't afford to?

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.

But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.

Are you ahead or behind?

Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.

Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

--
- Frank Krygowski

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-05 19:48:25 UTC

On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-05 21:44:01 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

:-) I have never encountered anyone so totally baffled by the idea of a
_discussion_ group!

--
- Frank Krygowski

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-05 22:00:39 UTC

On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 17:44:01 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

:-) I have never encountered anyone so totally baffled by the idea of a
_discussion_ group!

I have never before encountered anyone with such a need to stick their
noses into other people business, ask for personal information, and
give unsolicited advice.

Also:

I have never before encountered anyone who so fervently believes that
personal anecdotes are something of value.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

John B.

2024-10-07 06:59:12 UTC

On Sat, 05 Oct 2024 14:48:25 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

I've been gone so long :-)

Is that how husbands run their families in the U.S these days - go out
and work from "kin to can't" and come home and give all their money to
their wife so she can spend it on furniture to keep in the barn?

--
Cheers,

John B.

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-07 19:32:06 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

I've been gone so long :-)
Is that how husbands run their families in the U.S these days - go out
and work from "kin to can't" and come home and give all their money to
their wife so she can spend it on furniture to keep in the barn?

It's very uncommon, in my experience. This couple is pretty unique.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-07 20:20:46 UTC

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:32:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I've been gone so long :-)
Is that how husbands run their families in the U.S these days - go out
and work from "kin to can't" and come home and give all their money to
their wife so she can spend it on furniture to keep in the barn?

It's very uncommon, in my experience. This couple is pretty unique.

I'm sure your imagination can conjur up almost anything.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

John B.

2024-10-08 00:39:26 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:32:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I've been gone so long :-)
Is that how husbands run their families in the U.S these days - go out
and work from "kin to can't" and come home and give all their money to
their wife so she can spend it on furniture to keep in the barn?

It's very uncommon, in my experience. This couple is pretty unique.

I'm sure your imagination can conjur up almost anything.

What business is it of yours, asshole?

About the same as Frank's who posted the original story.

As an aside, your obvious objection would lead one to think you are
one of those weak willed individuals that lets his wife run the
family.

--
Cheers,

John B.

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-08 00:57:44 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:32:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I've been gone so long :-)
Is that how husbands run their families in the U.S these days - go out
and work from "kin to can't" and come home and give all their money to
their wife so she can spend it on furniture to keep in the barn?

It's very uncommon, in my experience. This couple is pretty unique.

I'm sure your imagination can conjur up almost anything.

What business is it of yours, asshole?

About the same as Frank's who posted the original story.

I was merely demonstrating that Tom is not the only person in America
buying stuff to sell, and failing to sell it.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-08 08:28:42 UTC

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 20:57:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:32:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I've been gone so long :-)
Is that how husbands run their families in the U.S these days - go out
and work from "kin to can't" and come home and give all their money to
their wife so she can spend it on furniture to keep in the barn?

It's very uncommon, in my experience. This couple is pretty unique.

I'm sure your imagination can conjur up almost anything.

What business is it of yours, asshole?

About the same as Frank's who posted the original story.

I was merely demonstrating that Tom is not the only person in America
buying stuff to sell, and failing to sell it.

No, you were asking about his finances regarding buying and selling
bikes... I note that now you've conveniently and dishonestly snipped
that out.

Why do you have so much trouble with being honest?

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Zen Cycle

2024-10-08 14:41:16 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 20:57:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:32:06 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

I've been gone so long :-)
Is that how husbands run their families in the U.S these days - go out
and work from "kin to can't" and come home and give all their money to
their wife so she can spend it on furniture to keep in the barn?

It's very uncommon, in my experience. This couple is pretty unique.

I'm sure your imagination can conjur up almost anything.

What business is it of yours, asshole?

About the same as Frank's who posted the original story.

I was merely demonstrating that Tom is not the only person in America
buying stuff to sell, and failing to sell it.

No, you were asking about his finances regarding buying and selling
bikes... I note that now you've conveniently and dishonestly snipped
that out.
Why do you have so much trouble with being honest?

And usenetiquette still escapes you. IT wasn't relevant, asshole.

Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman

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Zen Cycle

2024-10-07 13:50:54 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

Hey dumbass, Tom asked "you haven't made an investment in bicycle parts
for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't afford to?"

How about you stop commenting on things you're being intentionally
ignorant about?

Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman

--
Add xx to reply

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-07 19:30:30 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Meanwhile, the bikes I'm trying to sell now that I know what I want
aren't moving and neither is the entire bicycle industry but you
wouldn't know that because you haven't made an investment in bicycle
parts for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't
afford to?

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

Hey dumbass, Tom asked "you haven't made an investment in bicycle parts
for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't afford to?"
How about you stop commenting on things you're being intentionally
ignorant about?

I think Mr. Tricycle perceives Tom to be his ally. So if I answer a
query in a way that is less than worshipful of Tom, he thinks I should
stay silent.

The man's totally baffled by "discussion." Which, I suppose, is not
surprising given his self-described inexperience with actual conversation.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-07 20:19:20 UTC

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:30:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Meanwhile, the bikes I'm trying to sell now that I know what I want
aren't moving and neither is the entire bicycle industry but you
wouldn't know that because you haven't made an investment in bicycle
parts for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't
afford to?

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

Hey dumbass, Tom asked "you haven't made an investment in bicycle parts
for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't afford to?"
How about you stop commenting on things you're being intentionally
ignorant about?

I think Mr. Tricycle perceives Tom to be his ally.

I have no allies. I don't need any.

Post by Frank Krygowski
So if I answer a
query in a way that is less than worshipful of Tom, he thinks I should
stay silent.

Actually, I think you shoud stop demanding that other people disclose
personal information.

Post by Frank Krygowski
The man's totally baffled by "discussion." Which, I suppose, is not
surprising given his self-described inexperience with actual conversation.

I'd be happy to converse with you about your bragging and other
narcissistic activities.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Zen Cycle

2024-10-07 21:04:17 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:30:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Meanwhile, the bikes I'm trying to sell now that I know what I want
aren't moving and neither is the entire bicycle industry but you
wouldn't know that because you haven't made an investment in bicycle
parts for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't
afford to?

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

Hey dumbass, Tom asked "you haven't made an investment in bicycle parts
for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't afford to?"
How about you stop commenting on things you're being intentionally
ignorant about?

I think Mr. Tricycle perceives Tom to be his ally.

I have no allies. I don't need any.

IOW - you wouldn't be able to keep any

Post by Frank Krygowski
So if I answer a
query in a way that is less than worshipful of Tom, he thinks I should
stay silent.

Actually, I think you shoud stop demanding that other people disclose
personal information.

Actually, I think you should stop demanding anything.

Post by Frank Krygowski
The man's totally baffled by "discussion." Which, I suppose, is not
surprising given his self-described inexperience with actual conversation.

I'd be happy to converse with you about your bragging and other
narcissistic activities.

jealousy doesn't become you.
Not much does, come to think of it.

Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman

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cyclintom

2024-10-07 20:37:24 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Meanwhile, the bikes I'm trying to sell now that I know what I want
aren't moving and neither is the entire bicycle industry but you
wouldn't know that because you haven't made an investment in bicycle
parts for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't
afford to?

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

Hey dumbass, Tom asked "you haven't made an investment in bicycle parts
for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't afford to?"
How about you stop commenting on things you're being intentionally
ignorant about?

I think Mr. Tricycle perceives Tom to be his ally. So if I answer a
query in a way that is less than worshipful of Tom, he thinks I should
stay silent.
The man's totally baffled by "discussion." Which, I suppose, is not
surprising given his self-described inexperience with actual conversation.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Gee, that is the identical thing you said about Andre. You need to find some real friends to ride with.

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-08 00:36:21 UTC

Post by Frank Krygowski
The man's totally baffled by "discussion." Which, I suppose, is not
surprising given his self-described inexperience with actual conversation.

Gee, that is the identical thing you said about Andre. You need to find some real friends to ride with.

I don't think so, Tom. For all his faults, there were no indications
that Andre had no friends or was afraid of socializing with others.

--
- Frank Krygowski

John B.

2024-10-08 00:46:28 UTC

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:30:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Meanwhile, the bikes I'm trying to sell now that I know what I want
aren't moving and neither is the entire bicycle industry but you
wouldn't know that because you haven't made an investment in bicycle
parts for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't
afford to?

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

Hey dumbass, Tom asked "you haven't made an investment in bicycle parts
for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't afford to?"
How about you stop commenting on things you're being intentionally
ignorant about?

I think Mr. Tricycle perceives Tom to be his ally. So if I answer a
query in a way that is less than worshipful of Tom, he thinks I should
stay silent.
The man's totally baffled by "discussion." Which, I suppose, is not
surprising given his self-described inexperience with actual conversation.

An interesting comment. You call an individual, repeatedly, a coward
and expect a discussion?

--
Cheers,

John B.

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-08 01:01:52 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:30:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Meanwhile, the bikes I'm trying to sell now that I know what I want
aren't moving and neither is the entire bicycle industry but you
wouldn't know that because you haven't made an investment in bicycle
parts for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't
afford to?

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

Hey dumbass, Tom asked "you haven't made an investment in bicycle parts
for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't afford to?"
How about you stop commenting on things you're being intentionally
ignorant about?

I think Mr. Tricycle perceives Tom to be his ally. So if I answer a
query in a way that is less than worshipful of Tom, he thinks I should
stay silent.
The man's totally baffled by "discussion." Which, I suppose, is not
surprising given his self-described inexperience with actual conversation.

An interesting comment. You call an individual, repeatedly, a coward
and expect a discussion?

I don't expect civil discussion toward me from the timid tricycle rider.
He's been furious with me ever since I disputed his claim that there is
no way to be safe when riding on normal roads with auto traffic.

But by now, I think a normal person would understand what the purpose of
a _discussion_ group is! And discussion is certainly not his strong sit.
He's made clear that he avoids talking with others, including even
returning friendly greetings from others using his bicycle path.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-08 08:32:36 UTC

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 21:01:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:30:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Meanwhile, the bikes I'm trying to sell now that I know what I want
aren't moving and neither is the entire bicycle industry but you
wouldn't know that because you haven't made an investment in bicycle
parts for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't
afford to?

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

Hey dumbass, Tom asked "you haven't made an investment in bicycle parts
for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't afford to?"
How about you stop commenting on things you're being intentionally
ignorant about?

I think Mr. Tricycle perceives Tom to be his ally. So if I answer a
query in a way that is less than worshipful of Tom, he thinks I should
stay silent.
The man's totally baffled by "discussion." Which, I suppose, is not
surprising given his self-described inexperience with actual conversation.

An interesting comment. You call an individual, repeatedly, a coward
and expect a discussion?

Actually, it's Krygowski who has been furious with me ever since I
disputed *his* claim that riding in traffic is perfectly safe. He
immediately demanded that I back up my opinion of possibly having more
skill and experience than him.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qVoI4KQlAQAJ

Post by Frank Krygowski
But by now, I think a normal person would understand what the purpose of
a _discussion_ group is!

According to Krygowski, a discussion group is where he can brag about
how he rides his bicycle.

"there are others who have examined my
bicycling qualifications, tested me and proclaimed that I do, indeed,
know what I'm talking about regarding bicycling."
--Frank Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/phkWDoYngY0/m/sSpJLrQKvKQJ

Post by Frank Krygowski
And discussion is certainly not his strong sit.

I don't gossip, but I'll be happy to discuss your personality
problems, Krygowski.

Post by Frank Krygowski
He's made clear that he avoids talking with others, including even
returning friendly greetings from others using his bicycle path.

Indeed, my bike rides are for riding, not for socializing. I ignore
other riders who wave like I'm their long lost brother, but when I
meet another rider who simply opens his hand on the handlebar, I'm
happy to return the gesture.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-08 15:42:31 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 21:01:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
I don't expect civil discussion toward me from the timid tricycle rider.
He's been furious with me ever since I disputed his claim that there is
no way to be safe when riding on normal roads with auto traffic.

Actually, it's Krygowski who has been furious with me ever since I
disputed *his* claim that riding in traffic is perfectly safe.

:-) OK, produce the quote where I said those exact words.

Meanwhile, just upstream from the post you linked below are your words:
"Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car traffic safe. "

Post by Catrike Ryder
He
immediately demanded that I back up my opinion of possibly having more
skill and experience than him.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qVoI4KQlAQAJ

Dude, you led with your bragging: "I have all the courage and experience
I need. Probably more than you." So you took offense at me asking about
the courage and experience you bragged about!

Sheesh. It's in the linked thread.

Post by Frank Krygowski
He's made clear that he avoids talking with others, including even
returning friendly greetings from others using his bicycle path.

That's the first we've heard that. So to not scare Mr. Tricycle, one
must not move one's hand too far in greeting. Keep contact with your
handlebar, or he may panic!

--
- Frank Krygowski

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-08 21:21:32 UTC

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 11:42:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 21:01:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Actually, it's Krygowski who has been furious with me ever since I
disputed *his* claim that riding in traffic is perfectly safe.

:-) OK, produce the quote where I said those exact words.
"Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car traffic safe. "

Dude, you led with your bragging: "I have all the courage and experience
I need. Probably more than you." So you took offense at me asking about
the courage and experience you bragged about!

"All the all the courage and experience
I need." I stand by those words.

Post by Frank Krygowski
Sheesh. It's in the linked thread.

Sheesh. See the word "proably?"

Post by Frank Krygowski
He's made clear that he avoids talking with others, including even
returning friendly greetings from others using his bicycle path.

That's the first we've heard that. So to not scare Mr. Tricycle, one
must not move one's hand too far in greeting. Keep contact with your
handlebar, or he may panic!

--
C'est bon
Soloman

John B.

2024-10-09 00:28:14 UTC

On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 11:42:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 21:01:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Actually, it's Krygowski who has been furious with me ever since I
disputed *his* claim that riding in traffic is perfectly safe.

:-) OK, produce the quote where I said those exact words.
"Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car traffic safe. "

Post by Frank Krygowski
He's made clear that he avoids talking with others, including even
returning friendly greetings from others using his bicycle path.

That's the first we've heard that. So to not scare Mr. Tricycle, one
must not move one's hand too far in greeting. Keep contact with your
handlebar, or he may panic!

Frank the honest man?
First quotes Tom with a reference to the post he quotes and then adds
a lie in his comment about the Florida Guy.

Do we start to call him "Half arsed Frank" in the order of his
posting? Tell the truth/tell a lie.... ?

--
Cheers,

John B.

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-09 10:18:46 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 11:42:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 21:01:52 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Actually, it's Krygowski who has been furious with me ever since I
disputed *his* claim that riding in traffic is perfectly safe.

:-) OK, produce the quote where I said those exact words.
"Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car traffic safe. "

Post by Frank Krygowski
He's made clear that he avoids talking with others, including even
returning friendly greetings from others using his bicycle path.

That's the first we've heard that. So to not scare Mr. Tricycle, one
must not move one's hand too far in greeting. Keep contact with your
handlebar, or he may panic!

Frank the honest man?
First quotes Tom with a reference to the post he quotes and then adds
a lie in his comment about the Florida Guy.
Do we start to call him "Half arsed Frank" in the order of his
posting? Tell the truth/tell a lie.... ?

Mr. Tricycle has never panicked, not even when scuba diving with
sharks.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Catrike Ryder

2024-10-08 08:27:19 UTC

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 15:30:30 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 5 Oct 2024 11:08:33 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Meanwhile, the bikes I'm trying to sell now that I know what I want
aren't moving and neither is the entire bicycle industry but you
wouldn't know that because you haven't made an investment in bicycle
parts for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't
afford to?

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."

...and here's krygowski agaim sticking his nose into other folk's
business.

Hey dumbass, Tom asked "you haven't made an investment in bicycle parts
for 20 years. Is that because on a teacher's pay you couldn't afford to?"
How about you stop commenting on things you're being intentionally
ignorant about?

I think Mr. Tricycle perceives Tom to be his ally. So if I answer a
query in a way that is less than worshipful of Tom, he thinks I should
stay silent.
The man's totally baffled by "discussion." Which, I suppose, is not
surprising given his self-described inexperience with actual conversation.

An interesting comment. You call an individual, repeatedly, a coward
and expect a discussion?

I offered to discuss Krygowski's bragging and his other narcissistic
behaviors and apparently he doesn't want to do that.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

cyclintom

2024-10-06 20:54:51 UTC

:-) First, it's false that I haven't made an "investment" in bike parts
in 20 years. I simply haven't told you what I've bought.
But since you use the term "investment," care to tell us how your bike
buying and selling "investments" have worked out? I recall nothing but
reports on your many purchases and your subsequent complaints about
nothing selling.
Are you ahead or behind?
Related: I have one quirky friend who claims to be an antique dealer.
She constantly buys stuff and carts it around to various antique shows
and shops, hoping to sell it.
Well. In about 12 years, after moving into a large and beautiful home,
she has filled her basement with "stock," plus her large garage and
other storage spaces. It's obvious the inflow is far greater than the
outflow. And her long-suffering husband has complained to me about the
thousands of dollars he spends per year to support his wife's "business."
--
- Frank Krygowski

Until Obama was elected, my selling of "tried out and didn't like" bicycles went perfectly well. Biden wasn't elected. That was election fraud as clear as possible. The statistics alone prove it. But you being an engineering teacher do not believe statistics.

Frank Krygowski

2024-10-06 21:59:12 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Until Obama was elected, my selling of "tried out and didn't like" bicycles went perfectly well.

Give us details. All I recall was complaints.

Post by cyclintom
Biden wasn't elected. That was election fraud as clear as possible. The statistics alone prove it. But you being an engineering teacher do not believe statistics.

Somehow, over 50 judges disagreed with you, including many judges
appointed by Trump.

But hold on to your persecution fantasies. Too bad they don't seem to
make you happier.

--
- Frank Krygowski

cyclintom

2024-10-06 22:41:31 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Until Obama was elected, my selling of "tried out and didn't like" bicycles went perfectly well.

Give us details. All I recall was complaints.

Post by cyclintom
Biden wasn't elected. That was election fraud as clear as possible. The statistics alone prove it. But you being an engineering teacher do not believe statistics.

Somehow, over 50 judges disagreed with you, including many judges
appointed by Trump.
But hold on to your persecution fantasies. Too bad they don't seem to
make you happier.
--
- Frank Krygowski

You fantasies uglier with time. I'm sure that the judiciary are ahnxious to make enemies of unelected anhd very powerful departments like the IRS.

If you do not know the statistics of elections there's no use in explaining them to you because you're far too stupid to understand them.

John B.

2024-10-07 00:34:06 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Until Obama was elected, my selling of "tried out and didn't like" bicycles went perfectly well.

Give us details. All I recall was complaints.

Post by cyclintom
Biden wasn't elected. That was election fraud as clear as possible. The statistics alone prove it. But you being an engineering teacher do not believe statistics.

Somehow, over 50 judges disagreed with you, including many judges
appointed by Trump.
But hold on to your persecution fantasies. Too bad they don't seem to
make you happier.
--
- Frank Krygowski

You fantasies uglier with time. I'm sure that the judiciary are ahnxious to make enemies of unelected anhd very powerful departments like the IRS.
If you do not know the statistics of elections there's no use in explaining them to you because you're far too stupid to understand them.

Well try to explain them to me. I have no idea what went on in the
election (and don't really care) but would like to see the evidence
that the election was flawed (except the wild eyed shouting).
So Tommy, put up or shut up.

What expected from Tommy is a long loud silence as Tom loves loud
shouting of wrongs and detests proof of the same.

--
Cheers,

John B.

John B.

2024-10-07 00:46:29 UTC