Hit and run of multiple cyclists

[AMuzi]

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/hit-and-run-driver-plows-into-bicyclists-handing-out-red-cards-in-boyle-heights/

of note, perp's auto has a bicycle carrier on the back.

[John B.]

Post by AMuzi
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/hit-and-run-driver-plows-into-bicyclists-handing-out-red-cards-in-boyle-heights/
of note, perp's auto has a bicycle carrier on the back.

I wonder about the "red cards". My experience with "immigrants" is
somewhat limited but my experience has been that "They" knew more
about the Immigration Laws then I (a citizen) did :-)

[AMuzi]

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/hit-and-run-driver-plows-into-bicyclists-handing-out-red-cards-in-boyle-heights/
of note, perp's auto has a bicycle carrier on the back.

I wonder about the "red cards". My experience with "immigrants" is
somewhat limited but my experience has been that "They" knew more
about the Immigration Laws then I (a citizen) did :-)

Illegals have more motivation!

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by AMuzi

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/hit-and-run-driver-plows-into-
bicyclists-handing-out-red-cards-in-boyle-heights/
of note, perp's auto has a bicycle carrier on the back.

I wonder about the "red cards". My experience with "immigrants" is
somewhat limited but my experience has been that "They" knew more
about the Immigration Laws then I (a citizen) did :-)

Illegals have more motivation!

So do legal immigrants, which should be no surprise.

[AMuzi]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 08:09:25 -0600, AMuzi

Post by AMuzi
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/hit-and-run-driver-
plows-into- bicyclists-handing-out-red-cards-in-boyle-
heights/
of note, perp's auto has a bicycle carrier on the back.

I wonder about the "red cards". My experience with
"immigrants" is
somewhat limited but my experience has been that "They"
knew more
about the Immigration Laws then I (a citizen) did :-)

Illegals have more motivation!

So do legal immigrants, which should be no surprise.

As is often said, liars need excellent memories to keep
their stories straight.

My broad experience with immigrants among my family,
employees and customers I can't say they concerned
themselves much with various 'rights' they could falsely
claim. They just had their papers in order. And slept well.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 08:09:25 -0600, AMuzi

Post by AMuzi
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/hit-and-run-driver-
plows-into- bicyclists-handing-out-red-cards-in-boyle-
heights/
of note, perp's auto has a bicycle carrier on the back.

I wonder about the "red cards". My experience with
"immigrants" is
somewhat limited but my experience has been that "They"
knew more
about the Immigration Laws then I (a citizen) did :-)

Illegals have more motivation!

So do legal immigrants, which should be no surprise.

As is often said, liars need excellent memories to keep
their stories straight.
My broad experience with immigrants among my family,
employees and customers I can't say they concerned
themselves much with various 'rights' they could falsely
claim. They just had their papers in order. And slept well.

That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in the USA via
Ellis Island in about 1953. This was the tail end of Senator Joe
McCarthy and the Red (Russian) Scare:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
the HUAC:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee>
and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts. From my parents
point of view, and from that of most immigrants from Europe, the
committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done before WWII. If
you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or even a pacifist,
you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some random person,
and deported to some place unpleasant.
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/denounce>
"to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal activities,
especially illegal political activities"

No trial was needed. For the freshly minted immigrants to the USA,
this was a very real concern (or fear). My parents and friends were
seriously worried. I was also worried, but because I really didn't
understand what was happening, I just followed their example. For a
time, we became very wary of neighbors, police, officials, anyone in
authority, etc.

My extended family did their best to try and "fit in" and become an
American. We learned to juggle the knife and fork like Americans,
instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and the knife in the
right. We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read and write
English and understand American slang. At the time, I was a 5+ year
old and had no difficulty learning all the languages required to
communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and of course, the
Americans. However, in public, all the immigrants made it a point to
only speak English. My original native languages were German and
Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors at home or at
a relatives house. Anywhere else, it was "speak English or say
nothing".

This is 2nd hand from various relatives. None of the immigrants spoke
about "rights". If they were Jewish, and lived in the wrong
countries, they literally had no rights. Having rights in the USA
seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they literally did not
believe that it was possible. I was told that one immigrant received
a summons for some minor legal matter. My parents caught up with him
as he was busy disposing of his possessions and preparing to leave the
country. He explained that it was better to leave than to get thrown
in an American concentration camp.

I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer to do
whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered computers. I
think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can be a very
traumatic experience, full of bad information and misinterpretations.
It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to explain things.

[John B.]

rOn Fri, 07 Mar 2025 20:56:28 -0800, Jeff Liebermann

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 08:09:25 -0600, AMuzi

Post by AMuzi
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/hit-and-run-driver-
plows-into- bicyclists-handing-out-red-cards-in-boyle-
heights/
of note, perp's auto has a bicycle carrier on the back.

I wonder about the "red cards". My experience with
"immigrants" is
somewhat limited but my experience has been that "They"
knew more
about the Immigration Laws then I (a citizen) did :-)

Illegals have more motivation!

So do legal immigrants, which should be no surprise.

As is often said, liars need excellent memories to keep
their stories straight.
My broad experience with immigrants among my family,
employees and customers I can't say they concerned
themselves much with various 'rights' they could falsely
claim. They just had their papers in order. And slept well.

That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in the USA via
Ellis Island in about 1953. This was the tail end of Senator Joe
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee>
and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts. From my parents
point of view, and from that of most immigrants from Europe, the
committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done before WWII. If
you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or even a pacifist,
you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some random person,
and deported to some place unpleasant.
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/denounce>
"to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal activities,
especially illegal political activities"
No trial was needed. For the freshly minted immigrants to the USA,
this was a very real concern (or fear). My parents and friends were
seriously worried. I was also worried, but because I really didn't
understand what was happening, I just followed their example. For a
time, we became very wary of neighbors, police, officials, anyone in
authority, etc.
My extended family did their best to try and "fit in" and become an
American. We learned to juggle the knife and fork like Americans,
instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and the knife in the
right. We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read and write
English and understand American slang. At the time, I was a 5+ year
old and had no difficulty learning all the languages required to
communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and of course, the
Americans. However, in public, all the immigrants made it a point to
only speak English. My original native languages were German and
Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors at home or at
a relatives house. Anywhere else, it was "speak English or say
nothing".
This is 2nd hand from various relatives. None of the immigrants spoke
about "rights". If they were Jewish, and lived in the wrong
countries, they literally had no rights. Having rights in the USA
seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they literally did not
believe that it was possible. I was told that one immigrant received
a summons for some minor legal matter. My parents caught up with him
as he was busy disposing of his possessions and preparing to leave the
country. He explained that it was better to leave than to get thrown
in an American concentration camp.
I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer to do
whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered computers. I
think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can be a very
traumatic experience, full of bad information and misinterpretations.
It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to explain things.

My experience has been somewhat different but granted it doesn't reach
as far back as your's probably do :-) My first was Japanese and came
to the U,S, with a life time "pass" to reside in the U'S, as the wife
of a Serviceman. Then she decided that is she was going to live in the
U.S. she ought to become a citizen. It turned out that some agency was
conducting a course for women that wanted to become citizen.


so she went off a couple of evenings a week with another Japanese girl
and I was unnecessary un till the last day when they "Did the Deed" so
to speak and had to show proof a living U.S. husband :-)

I certainly got asked a lot of questions during the learning period
that I couldn't answer :-)

[AMuzi]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 08:09:25 -0600, AMuzi

Post by AMuzi
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/hit-and-run-driver-
plows-into- bicyclists-handing-out-red-cards-in-boyle-
heights/
of note, perp's auto has a bicycle carrier on the back.

I wonder about the "red cards". My experience with
"immigrants" is
somewhat limited but my experience has been that "They"
knew more
about the Immigration Laws then I (a citizen) did :-)

Illegals have more motivation!

So do legal immigrants, which should be no surprise.

As is often said, liars need excellent memories to keep
their stories straight.
My broad experience with immigrants among my family,
employees and customers I can't say they concerned
themselves much with various 'rights' they could falsely
claim. They just had their papers in order. And slept well.

That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in the USA via
Ellis Island in about 1953. This was the tail end of Senator Joe
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee>
and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts. From my parents
point of view, and from that of most immigrants from Europe, the
committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done before WWII. If
you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or even a pacifist,
you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some random person,
and deported to some place unpleasant.
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/denounce>
"to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal activities,
especially illegal political activities"
No trial was needed. For the freshly minted immigrants to the USA,
this was a very real concern (or fear). My parents and friends were
seriously worried. I was also worried, but because I really didn't
understand what was happening, I just followed their example. For a
time, we became very wary of neighbors, police, officials, anyone in
authority, etc.
My extended family did their best to try and "fit in" and become an
American. We learned to juggle the knife and fork like Americans,
instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and the knife in the
right. We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read and write
English and understand American slang. At the time, I was a 5+ year
old and had no difficulty learning all the languages required to
communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and of course, the
Americans. However, in public, all the immigrants made it a point to
only speak English. My original native languages were German and
Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors at home or at
a relatives house. Anywhere else, it was "speak English or say
nothing".
This is 2nd hand from various relatives. None of the immigrants spoke
about "rights". If they were Jewish, and lived in the wrong
countries, they literally had no rights. Having rights in the USA
seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they literally did not
believe that it was possible. I was told that one immigrant received
a summons for some minor legal matter. My parents caught up with him
as he was busy disposing of his possessions and preparing to leave the
country. He explained that it was better to leave than to get thrown
in an American concentration camp.
I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer to do
whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered computers. I
think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can be a very
traumatic experience, full of bad information and misinterpretations.
It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to explain things.

I believe you but experiences vary a lot.

All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning of
the 1900s, lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke little
English. They were Resident Aliens, not citizens, all their
lives. (in the 20th century, aliens had to register annually
but there were few or no other impediments to their lives).

In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the
President, as my grandfather's work was cut to half time and
he was very close to losing his house for nonpayment. She
was a sixth grader and the only person in the family with
adequate English. By whatever good luck, their mortgage was
extended. My mother and all her siblings voted straight
democrat all their lives.

p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My
father, the youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did not.

Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's
efforts are illegal aliens, not actual immigrants.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Jeff Liebermann
That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in the USA via
Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of Senator Joe
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee>
and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From my parents
point of view, and from that of most immigrants from Europe, the
committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done before WWII.  If
you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or even a pacifist,
you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some random person,
and deported to some place unpleasant.
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/denounce>
"to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal activities,
especially illegal political activities"
No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants to the USA,
this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and friends were
seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I really didn't
understand what was happening, I just followed their example.  For a
time, we became very wary of neighbors, police, officials, anyone in
authority, etc.
My extended family did their best to try and "fit in" and become an
American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like Americans,
instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and the knife in the
right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read and write
English and understand American slang.  At the time, I was a 5+ year
old and had no difficulty learning all the languages required to
communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and of course, the
Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made it a point to
only speak English.  My original native languages were German and
Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors at home or at
a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English or say
nothing".
This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the immigrants spoke
about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the wrong
countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights in the USA
seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they literally did not
believe that it was possible.  I was told that one immigrant received
a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents caught up with him
as he was busy disposing of his possessions and preparing to leave the
country.  He explained that it was better to leave than to get thrown
in an American concentration camp.
I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer to do
whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered computers.  I
think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can be a very
traumatic experience, full of bad information and misinterpretations.
It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to explain things.

I believe you but experiences vary a lot.
All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning of the 1900s,
lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke little English. They were
Resident Aliens, not citizens, all their lives. (in the 20th century,
aliens had to register annually but there were few or no other
impediments to their lives).
In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the President, as
my grandfather's work was cut to half time and he was very close to
losing his house for nonpayment. She was a sixth grader and the only
person in the family with adequate English. By whatever good luck, their
mortgage was extended. My mother and all her siblings voted straight
democrat all their lives.
p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My father, the
youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did not.

My Polish grandparents arrived when your Italian ones arrived. They did
become citizens, but they certainly suffered discrimination.

Post by AMuzi
Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's efforts are
illegal aliens, not actual immigrants.

There have been plenty of tales of legal immigrants and even U.S.
citizens suffering arrest and imprisonment because they didn't look
"American" enough - IOW white enough.

[zen cycle]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Jeff Liebermann
That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in the USA via
Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of Senator Joe
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee>
and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From my parents
point of view, and from that of most immigrants from Europe, the
committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done before WWII.  If
you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or even a pacifist,
you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some random person,
and deported to some place unpleasant.
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/denounce>
"to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal activities,
especially illegal political activities"
No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants to the USA,
this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and friends were
seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I really didn't
understand what was happening, I just followed their example.  For a
time, we became very wary of neighbors, police, officials, anyone in
authority, etc.
My extended family did their best to try and "fit in" and become an
American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like Americans,
instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and the knife in the
right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read and write
English and understand American slang.  At the time, I was a 5+ year
old and had no difficulty learning all the languages required to
communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and of course, the
Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made it a point to
only speak English.  My original native languages were German and
Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors at home or at
a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English or say
nothing".
This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the immigrants spoke
about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the wrong
countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights in the USA
seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they literally did not
believe that it was possible.  I was told that one immigrant received
a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents caught up with him
as he was busy disposing of his possessions and preparing to leave the
country.  He explained that it was better to leave than to get thrown
in an American concentration camp.
I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer to do
whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered computers.  I
think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can be a very
traumatic experience, full of bad information and misinterpretations.
It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to explain things.

I believe you but experiences vary a lot.
All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning of the 1900s,
lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke little English. They were
Resident Aliens, not citizens, all their lives. (in the 20th century,
aliens had to register annually but there were few or no other
impediments to their lives).
In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the President, as
my grandfather's work was cut to half time and he was very close to
losing his house for nonpayment. She was a sixth grader and the only
person in the family with adequate English. By whatever good luck,
their mortgage was extended. My mother and all her siblings voted
straight democrat all their lives.
p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My father, the
youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did not.

My Polish grandparents arrived when your Italian ones arrived. They did
become citizens, but they certainly suffered discrimination.

Post by AMuzi
Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's efforts are
illegal aliens, not actual immigrants.

There have been plenty of tales of legal immigrants and even U.S.
citizens suffering arrest and imprisonment because they didn't look
"American" enough - IOW white enough.

Not tales, documented incidents:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-s-ice-agents-arrest-puerto-rican-military-veteran-in-deportation-raid/ar-AA1xNWx9

"They did not ask me for documentation for my American workers,
Portuguese workers, or white workers,"

[AMuzi]

Post by zen cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Jeff Liebermann
That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in
the USA via
Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of
Senator Joe
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-
American_Activities_Committee>
and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From
my parents
point of view, and from that of most immigrants from
Europe, the
committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done
before WWII.  If
you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or
even a pacifist,
you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some
random person,
and deported to some place unpleasant.
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/
denounce>
"to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal
activities,
especially illegal political activities"
No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants
to the USA,
this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and
friends were
seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I
really didn't
understand what was happening, I just followed their
example.  For a
time, we became very wary of neighbors, police,
officials, anyone in
authority, etc.
My extended family did their best to try and "fit in"
and become an
American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like
Americans,
instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and
the knife in the
right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read
and write
English and understand American slang.  At the time, I
was a 5+ year
old and had no difficulty learning all the languages
required to
communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and
of course, the
Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made
it a point to
only speak English.  My original native languages were
German and
Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors
at home or at
a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English
or say
nothing".
This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the
immigrants spoke
about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the
wrong
countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights
in the USA
seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they
literally did not
believe that it was possible.  I was told that one
immigrant received
a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents
caught up with him
as he was busy disposing of his possessions and
preparing to leave the
country.  He explained that it was better to leave than
to get thrown
in an American concentration camp.
I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer
to do
whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered
computers.  I
think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can
be a very
traumatic experience, full of bad information and
misinterpretations.
It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to
explain things.

I believe you but experiences vary a lot.
All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning
of the 1900s, lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke
little English. They were Resident Aliens, not citizens,
all their lives. (in the 20th century, aliens had to
register annually but there were few or no other
impediments to their lives).
In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the
President, as my grandfather's work was cut to half time
and he was very close to losing his house for nonpayment.
She was a sixth grader and the only person in the family
with adequate English. By whatever good luck, their
mortgage was extended. My mother and all her siblings
voted straight democrat all their lives.
p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My
father, the youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did
not.

My Polish grandparents arrived when your Italian ones
arrived. They did become citizens, but they certainly
suffered discrimination.

Post by AMuzi
Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's
efforts are illegal aliens, not actual immigrants.

There have been plenty of tales of legal immigrants and
even U.S. citizens suffering arrest and imprisonment
because they didn't look "American" enough - IOW white
enough.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-s-ice-agents-arrest-
puerto-rican-military-veteran-in-deportation-raid/ar-AA1xNWx9
"They did not ask me for documentation for my American
workers, Portuguese workers, or white workers,"

An obvious error and it will be promptly rectified if it
hasn't been already. Meanwhile, we're deporting illegal
Russians, who do not have the vaunted BIPOC status, along
with all the rest.

I regularly get citations for no seal belt. Since there's
never a good ending to arguing with police or sheriffs, I
take the ticket, say thank you and write the Court. They
citations are always dismissed. (1965 = exempt)

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by AMuzi

Post by zen cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Jeff Liebermann
That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in
the USA via
Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of
Senator Joe
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-
American_Activities_Committee>
and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From
my parents
point of view, and from that of most immigrants from
Europe, the
committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done
before WWII.  If
you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or
even a pacifist,
you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some
random person,
and deported to some place unpleasant.
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/
denounce>
"to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal
activities,
especially illegal political activities"
No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants
to the USA,
this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and
friends were
seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I
really didn't
understand what was happening, I just followed their
example.  For a
time, we became very wary of neighbors, police,
officials, anyone in
authority, etc.
My extended family did their best to try and "fit in"
and become an
American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like
Americans,
instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and
the knife in the
right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read
and write
English and understand American slang.  At the time, I
was a 5+ year
old and had no difficulty learning all the languages
required to
communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and
of course, the
Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made
it a point to
only speak English.  My original native languages were
German and
Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors
at home or at
a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English
or say
nothing".
This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the
immigrants spoke
about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the
wrong
countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights
in the USA
seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they
literally did not
believe that it was possible.  I was told that one
immigrant received
a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents
caught up with him
as he was busy disposing of his possessions and
preparing to leave the
country.  He explained that it was better to leave than
to get thrown
in an American concentration camp.
I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer
to do
whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered
computers.  I
think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can
be a very
traumatic experience, full of bad information and
misinterpretations.
It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to
explain things.

I believe you but experiences vary a lot.
All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning
of the 1900s, lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke
little English. They were Resident Aliens, not citizens,
all their lives. (in the 20th century, aliens had to
register annually but there were few or no other
impediments to their lives).
In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the
President, as my grandfather's work was cut to half time
and he was very close to losing his house for nonpayment.
She was a sixth grader and the only person in the family
with adequate English. By whatever good luck, their
mortgage was extended. My mother and all her siblings
voted straight democrat all their lives.
p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My
father, the youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did
not.

My Polish grandparents arrived when your Italian ones
arrived. They did become citizens, but they certainly
suffered discrimination.

Post by AMuzi
Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's
efforts are illegal aliens, not actual immigrants.

There have been plenty of tales of legal immigrants and
even U.S. citizens suffering arrest and imprisonment
because they didn't look "American" enough - IOW white
enough.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-s-ice-agents-arrest-
puerto-rican-military-veteran-in-deportation-raid/ar-AA1xNWx9
"They did not ask me for documentation for my American
workers, Portuguese workers, or white workers,"

An obvious error and it will be promptly rectified if it
hasn't been already. Meanwhile, we're deporting illegal
Russians, who do not have the vaunted BIPOC status, along
with all the rest.
I regularly get citations for no seal belt. Since there's
never a good ending to arguing with police or sheriffs, I
take the ticket, say thank you and write the Court. They
citations are always dismissed. (1965 = exempt)

Got it... "seat belt".. It took me a minute. I've not had police
trouble with the gun on my bike. but I once had a "citizen" tell me he
was going to report me. That was back when I only had a black sock
covering it. Nowdays it's better concealed.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[AMuzi]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by AMuzi

Post by zen cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Jeff Liebermann
That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in
the USA via
Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of
Senator Joe
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-
American_Activities_Committee>
and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From
my parents
point of view, and from that of most immigrants from
Europe, the
committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done
before WWII.  If
you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or
even a pacifist,
you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some
random person,
and deported to some place unpleasant.
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/
denounce>
"to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal
activities,
especially illegal political activities"
No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants
to the USA,
this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and
friends were
seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I
really didn't
understand what was happening, I just followed their
example.  For a
time, we became very wary of neighbors, police,
officials, anyone in
authority, etc.
My extended family did their best to try and "fit in"
and become an
American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like
Americans,
instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and
the knife in the
right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read
and write
English and understand American slang.  At the time, I
was a 5+ year
old and had no difficulty learning all the languages
required to
communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and
of course, the
Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made
it a point to
only speak English.  My original native languages were
German and
Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors
at home or at
a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English
or say
nothing".
This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the
immigrants spoke
about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the
wrong
countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights
in the USA
seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they
literally did not
believe that it was possible.  I was told that one
immigrant received
a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents
caught up with him
as he was busy disposing of his possessions and
preparing to leave the
country.  He explained that it was better to leave than
to get thrown
in an American concentration camp.
I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer
to do
whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered
computers.  I
think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can
be a very
traumatic experience, full of bad information and
misinterpretations.
It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to
explain things.

I believe you but experiences vary a lot.
All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning
of the 1900s, lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke
little English. They were Resident Aliens, not citizens,
all their lives. (in the 20th century, aliens had to
register annually but there were few or no other
impediments to their lives).
In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the
President, as my grandfather's work was cut to half time
and he was very close to losing his house for nonpayment.
She was a sixth grader and the only person in the family
with adequate English. By whatever good luck, their
mortgage was extended. My mother and all her siblings
voted straight democrat all their lives.
p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My
father, the youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did
not.

My Polish grandparents arrived when your Italian ones
arrived. They did become citizens, but they certainly
suffered discrimination.

Post by AMuzi
Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's
efforts are illegal aliens, not actual immigrants.

There have been plenty of tales of legal immigrants and
even U.S. citizens suffering arrest and imprisonment
because they didn't look "American" enough - IOW white
enough.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-s-ice-agents-arrest-
puerto-rican-military-veteran-in-deportation-raid/ar-AA1xNWx9
"They did not ask me for documentation for my American
workers, Portuguese workers, or white workers,"

An obvious error and it will be promptly rectified if it
hasn't been already. Meanwhile, we're deporting illegal
Russians, who do not have the vaunted BIPOC status, along
with all the rest.
I regularly get citations for no seal belt. Since there's
never a good ending to arguing with police or sheriffs, I
take the ticket, say thank you and write the Court. They
citations are always dismissed. (1965 = exempt)

Got it... "seat belt".. It took me a minute. I've not had police
trouble with the gun on my bike. but I once had a "citizen" tell me he
was going to report me. That was back when I only had a black sock
covering it. Nowdays it's better concealed.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Sorry sometimes I type faster than I can type.

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by AMuzi

Post by zen cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Jeff Liebermann
That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in
the USA via
Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of
Senator Joe
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-
American_Activities_Committee>
and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From my parents
point of view, and from that of most immigrants from
Europe, the
committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done
before WWII.  If
you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or
even a pacifist,
you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some
random person,
and deported to some place unpleasant.
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/
denounce>
"to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal
activities,
especially illegal political activities"
No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants
to the USA,
this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and
friends were
seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I
really didn't
understand what was happening, I just followed their
example.  For a
time, we became very wary of neighbors, police,
officials, anyone in
authority, etc.
My extended family did their best to try and "fit in"
and become an
American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like
Americans,
instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and
the knife in the
right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read
and write
English and understand American slang.  At the time, I
was a 5+ year
old and had no difficulty learning all the languages
required to
communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and
of course, the
Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made
it a point to
only speak English.  My original native languages were
German and
Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors
at home or at
a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English or say
nothing".
This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the
immigrants spoke
about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the
wrong
countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights
in the USA
seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they
literally did not
believe that it was possible.  I was told that one
immigrant received
a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents
caught up with him
as he was busy disposing of his possessions and
preparing to leave the
country.  He explained that it was better to leave than
to get thrown
in an American concentration camp.
I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer
to do
whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered
computers.  I
think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can
be a very
traumatic experience, full of bad information and
misinterpretations.
It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to
explain things.

I believe you but experiences vary a lot.
All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning
of the 1900s, lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke
little English. They were Resident Aliens, not citizens,
all their lives. (in the 20th century, aliens had to
register annually but there were few or no other
impediments to their lives).
In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the
President, as my grandfather's work was cut to half time
and he was very close to losing his house for nonpayment.
She was a sixth grader and the only person in the family
with adequate English. By whatever good luck, their
mortgage was extended. My mother and all her siblings
voted straight democrat all their lives.
p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My
father, the youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did
not.

My Polish grandparents arrived when your Italian ones
arrived. They did become citizens, but they certainly
suffered discrimination.

Post by AMuzi
Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's
efforts are illegal aliens, not actual immigrants.

There have been plenty of tales of legal immigrants and
even U.S. citizens suffering arrest and imprisonment
because they didn't look "American" enough - IOW white
enough.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-s-ice-agents-arrest-
puerto-rican-military-veteran-in-deportation-raid/ar-AA1xNWx9
"They did not ask me for documentation for my American
workers, Portuguese workers, or white workers,"

An obvious error and it will be promptly rectified if it
hasn't been already. Meanwhile, we're deporting illegal
Russians, who do not have the vaunted BIPOC status, along
with all the rest.
I regularly get citations for no seal belt. Since there's
never a good ending to arguing with police or sheriffs, I
take the ticket, say thank you and write the Court. They
citations are always dismissed. (1965 = exempt)

Got it... "seat belt".. It took me a minute. I've not had police
trouble with the gun on my bike. but I once had a "citizen" tell me he
was going to report me. That was back when I only had a black sock
covering it. Nowdays it's better concealed.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Sorry sometimes I type faster than I can type.

You don't have to apologize to me. Look at all the mistakes and goofs
I make.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[John B.]

Post by AMuzi

Post by zen cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Jeff Liebermann
That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in
the USA via
Ellis Island in about 1953.  This was the tail end of
Senator Joe
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-
American_Activities_Committee>
and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts.  From
my parents
point of view, and from that of most immigrants from
Europe, the
committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done
before WWII.  If
you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or
even a pacifist,
you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some
random person,
and deported to some place unpleasant.
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/
denounce>
"to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal
activities,
especially illegal political activities"
No trial was needed.  For the freshly minted immigrants
to the USA,
this was a very real concern (or fear).  My parents and
friends were
seriously worried.  I was also worried, but because I
really didn't
understand what was happening, I just followed their
example.  For a
time, we became very wary of neighbors, police,
officials, anyone in
authority, etc.
My extended family did their best to try and "fit in"
and become an
American.  We learned to juggle the knife and fork like
Americans,
instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and
the knife in the
right.  We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read
and write
English and understand American slang.  At the time, I
was a 5+ year
old and had no difficulty learning all the languages
required to
communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and
of course, the
Americans.  However, in public, all the immigrants made
it a point to
only speak English.  My original native languages were
German and
Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors
at home or at
a relatives house.  Anywhere else, it was "speak English
or say
nothing".
This is 2nd hand from various relatives.  None of the
immigrants spoke
about "rights".  If they were Jewish, and lived in the
wrong
countries, they literally had no rights.  Having rights
in the USA
seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they
literally did not
believe that it was possible.  I was told that one
immigrant received
a summons for some minor legal matter.  My parents
caught up with him
as he was busy disposing of his possessions and
preparing to leave the
country.  He explained that it was better to leave than
to get thrown
in an American concentration camp.
I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer
to do
whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered
computers.  I
think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can
be a very
traumatic experience, full of bad information and
misinterpretations.
It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to
explain things.

I believe you but experiences vary a lot.
All four of my grandparents immigrated at the beginning
of the 1900s, lived in Italian neighborhoods and spoke
little English. They were Resident Aliens, not citizens,
all their lives. (in the 20th century, aliens had to
register annually but there were few or no other
impediments to their lives).
In 1934, my eldest aunt on my mother's side wrote to the
President, as my grandfather's work was cut to half time
and he was very close to losing his house for nonpayment.
She was a sixth grader and the only person in the family
with adequate English. By whatever good luck, their
mortgage was extended. My mother and all her siblings
voted straight democrat all their lives.
p.s. all my uncles in both families served in WWII. My
father, the youngest, turned 18 as the war ended and did
not.

My Polish grandparents arrived when your Italian ones
arrived. They did become citizens, but they certainly
suffered discrimination.

Post by AMuzi
Back to the original link, the subject of the cyclist's
efforts are illegal aliens, not actual immigrants.

There have been plenty of tales of legal immigrants and
even U.S. citizens suffering arrest and imprisonment
because they didn't look "American" enough - IOW white
enough.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-s-ice-agents-arrest-
puerto-rican-military-veteran-in-deportation-raid/ar-AA1xNWx9
"They did not ask me for documentation for my American
workers, Portuguese workers, or white workers,"

An obvious error and it will be promptly rectified if it
hasn't been already. Meanwhile, we're deporting illegal
Russians, who do not have the vaunted BIPOC status, along
with all the rest.
I regularly get citations for no seal belt. Since there's
never a good ending to arguing with police or sheriffs, I
take the ticket, say thank you and write the Court. They
citations are always dismissed. (1965 = exempt)

No seat belt... on your bicycle? Or your antique rear engine
Chevrolet?

[AMuzi]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

On Fri, 7 Mar 2025 08:09:25 -0600, AMuzi

Post by AMuzi
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/hit-and-run-driver-
plows-into- bicyclists-handing-out-red-cards-in-boyle-
heights/
of note, perp's auto has a bicycle carrier on the back.

I wonder about the "red cards". My experience with
"immigrants" is
somewhat limited but my experience has been that "They"
knew more
about the Immigration Laws then I (a citizen) did :-)

Illegals have more motivation!

So do legal immigrants, which should be no surprise.

As is often said, liars need excellent memories to keep
their stories straight.
My broad experience with immigrants among my family,
employees and customers I can't say they concerned
themselves much with various 'rights' they could falsely
claim. They just had their papers in order. And slept well.

That wasn't the case when my parents and I arrived in the USA via
Ellis Island in about 1953. This was the tail end of Senator Joe
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Un-American_Activities_Committee>
and the associated cold war Communist witch hunts. From my parents
point of view, and from that of most immigrants from Europe, the
committee was a copy of Hitler and Friends had done before WWII. If
you were a socialist, communist, gypsy, anarchist, or even a pacifist,
you would be "denounced" by the committee or by some random person,
and deported to some place unpleasant.
<https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/denounce>
"to tell someone in authority about a person's illegal activities,
especially illegal political activities"
No trial was needed. For the freshly minted immigrants to the USA,
this was a very real concern (or fear). My parents and friends were
seriously worried. I was also worried, but because I really didn't
understand what was happening, I just followed their example. For a
time, we became very wary of neighbors, police, officials, anyone in
authority, etc.
My extended family did their best to try and "fit in" and become an
American. We learned to juggle the knife and fork like Americans,
instead of just holding the fork in the left hand and the knife in the
right. We spent quite a bit of effort learning to read and write
English and understand American slang. At the time, I was a 5+ year
old and had no difficulty learning all the languages required to
communicate with the neighbors, relatives, schools, and of course, the
Americans. However, in public, all the immigrants made it a point to
only speak English. My original native languages were German and
Polish, which my insisted should only be spoken indoors at home or at
a relatives house. Anywhere else, it was "speak English or say
nothing".
This is 2nd hand from various relatives. None of the immigrants spoke
about "rights". If they were Jewish, and lived in the wrong
countries, they literally had no rights. Having rights in the USA
seemed so improbable to some immigrants that they literally did not
believe that it was possible. I was told that one immigrant received
a summons for some minor legal matter. My parents caught up with him
as he was busy disposing of his possessions and preparing to leave the
country. He explained that it was better to leave than to get thrown
in an American concentration camp.
I can go on forever with such stories but I would prefer to do
whatever I did on Friday evening before I discovered computers. I
think it's sufficient to say that being an immigrant can be a very
traumatic experience, full of bad information and misinterpretations.
It's no surprise that they do strange and difficult to explain things.

Not discounting their fears, nor official excess, there was
an actual problem, if not crisis. Not only Harry Hopkins
and the Rosenbergs, but Alger Hiss's payroll records and
reports to Moscow were brought to light in the Venona Papers
in the 1990s along with hundreds of other Soviet agents
inside the US military and government.

Sen McCarthy was an asshole and insufferable and a drunk,
but he actually was right on that point.

And for general ineptitude, a few hundred Nazis in Alabama
were designing and building our military missiles and space
program at the same time.