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AMuzi
2025-02-07 16:46:37 UTC
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https://nypost.com/2025/02/07/us-news/terrifying-moment-san-francisco-store-owner-is-shot-seven-times-at-point-blank-range-in-random-attack/
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John B.
2025-02-08 00:33:53 UTC
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Will we next be entertained by a motion made by the "do goodies" to
charge the police with cruel and unusual punishment of the shooter?
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AMuzi
2025-02-08 01:57:19 UTC
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Will we next be entertained by a motion made by the "do goodies" to
charge the police with cruel and unusual punishment of the shooter?
We know what works, as you often note here. Enforce our
laws. Or repeal them.

But ignoring law for some but not others makes a real mess.

In the freshly independent Singapore, under the wise
leadership of Lee Kwan Kew, the economy grew rapidly unlike
her neighbors. This inspired a wave of illegal immigrants to
some 10,000 or so.

As recounted by Vic Pelson who was setting up an ATT Factory
in Singapore at the time:

In the 1980s, the population of illegal immigrants in
Singapore grew to more than 10,000.

For the iron-fisted Lee, this flouting of the law was
unacceptable.

The prime minister’s advisers approached Lee and asked how
he wanted to handle the illegal immigrants.

“Cane them,” Lee said.

The aides were stunned. The process of caning a single
prisoner required a team of medical officers, prison
officials and martial artists (apparently to assure that the
last lashes were as ferocious as the first). Prisoners could
require hospitalization between lashes to make sure they
were healthy enough to continue. Those who have endured the
punishment describe the pain as excruciating and unbearable.

“Mr. Prime Minister,” they pleaded. “You can’t possibly
intend to cane more than 10,000 people.”

“Of course not,” Lee replied. “We will probably need to cane
two or three.”

He was right. In the two weeks after the new policy was
announced, more than 10,000 illegal immigrants fled the
country.
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John B.
2025-02-08 03:02:08 UTC
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https://nypost.com/2025/02/07/us-news/terrifying-moment-san-francisco-store-owner-is-shot-seven-times-at-point-blank-range-in-random-attack/
Will we next be entertained by a motion made by the "do goodies" to
charge the police with cruel and unusual punishment of the shooter?
We know what works, as you often note here. Enforce our
laws. Or repeal them.
But ignoring law for some but not others makes a real mess.
In the freshly independent Singapore, under the wise
leadership of Lee Kwan Kew, the economy grew rapidly unlike
her neighbors. This inspired a wave of illegal immigrants to
some 10,000 or so.
As recounted by Vic Pelson who was setting up an ATT Factory
In the 1980s, the population of illegal immigrants in
Singapore grew to more than 10,000.
For the iron-fisted Lee, this flouting of the law was
unacceptable.
The prime minister’s advisers approached Lee and asked how
he wanted to handle the illegal immigrants.
“Cane them,” Lee said.
The aides were stunned. The process of caning a single
prisoner required a team of medical officers, prison
officials and martial artists (apparently to assure that the
last lashes were as ferocious as the first). Prisoners could
require hospitalization between lashes to make sure they
were healthy enough to continue. Those who have endured the
punishment describe the pain as excruciating and unbearable.
“Mr. Prime Minister,” they pleaded. “You can’t possibly
intend to cane more than 10,000 people.”
“Of course not,” Lee replied. “We will probably need to cane
two or three.”
He was right. In the two weeks after the new policy was
announced, more than 10,000 illegal immigrants fled the
country.
But that was then and this is now.

In the way back days Singapore was very set against narcotics and
possession of even tiny amounts was justification for the death
penalty. If a death sentence was imposed an automatic appeal was
submitted to the President who could ignore it, order a retrial or
rule the trial non and void. If the appeal was ignored the execution
was carried within a week.

At the time Singapore bragged that their narcotics problem was less
then 1%.

Today after the "love and kindness" group have gotten the rules
changed where very large quantities of Dope are required for the death
sentence the dope problem is now in the 5% range.

When "LKY" as he was known, was President... the legislature was made
up of his group, the "Peoples Action Party" and one dissident :-)

By the way, Canning was the penalty for a number if crimes. I remember
some foreign kids stole a car and scratched it all up and the court
sentence then to a caining. The U.S. community was up in arms about it
- "Beat my kid... You can't do that!" The government didn't formally
respond although the word was "put around", "You live in Singapore,
you obey Singapore laws!" And the kid(s) got canned.
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John B.
cyclintom
2025-02-16 23:55:14 UTC
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Will we next be entertained by a motion made by the "do goodies" to
charge the police with cruel and unusual punishment of the shooter?
That is a gang initiation. They hand him a pistol and tell him not to come back unless it's empty
cyclintom
2025-02-08 19:43:06 UTC
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And another one down and another one down. Another one bites the dust! How did he get any guns as an illegal alien which the articloe failed to mention.

Oakland police not doing their job at behest of the Oakland government.
Shadow
2025-02-08 22:33:10 UTC
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https://nypost.com/2025/02/07/us-news/terrifying-moment-san-francisco-store-owner-is-shot-seven-times-at-point-blank-range-in-random-attack/
And another one down and another one down. Another one bites the dust! How did he get any guns as an illegal alien which the articloe failed to mention.
The perp was born in San Francisco. A MAGA enthusiast. Was
psychotic. Oh, did I already imply that?
He thought that by killing the cannabis dispensary owner he
was helping "project 2025". More bibels, less drugs !!!!
There will be more attacks. Remember, even the mentally ill
can keep and bear arms in the land of the free.
[]'s
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
AMuzi
2025-02-09 15:07:27 UTC
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https://nypost.com/2025/02/07/us-news/terrifying-moment-san-francisco-store-owner-is-shot-seven-times-at-point-blank-range-in-random-attack/
And another one down and another one down. Another one bites the dust! How did he get any guns as an illegal alien which the articloe failed to mention.
The perp was born in San Francisco. A MAGA enthusiast. Was
psychotic. Oh, did I already imply that?
He thought that by killing the cannabis dispensary owner he
was helping "project 2025". More bibels, less drugs !!!!
There will be more attacks. Remember, even the mentally ill
can keep and bear arms in the land of the free.
[]'s
That's actually true.

Since the 1970s, it's extremely difficult to abridge a
dangerously psychotic's rights in any way. Our culture has
decided they are better off sleeping outside on cardboard,
begging, self medicating, screaming at demons real or
imagined and wreaking various sorts of mayhem on the taxpayers.

Which, for what it's worth, leaves us yet with a lower
homicide rate than Brasil if that matters to you. (about 1:3
overall)
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Shadow
2025-02-09 15:55:19 UTC
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https://nypost.com/2025/02/07/us-news/terrifying-moment-san-francisco-store-owner-is-shot-seven-times-at-point-blank-range-in-random-attack/
And another one down and another one down. Another one bites the dust! How did he get any guns as an illegal alien which the articloe failed to mention.
The perp was born in San Francisco. A MAGA enthusiast. Was
psychotic. Oh, did I already imply that?
He thought that by killing the cannabis dispensary owner he
was helping "project 2025". More bibels, less drugs !!!!
There will be more attacks. Remember, even the mentally ill
can keep and bear arms in the land of the free.
[]'s
That's actually true.
Since the 1970s, it's extremely difficult to abridge a
dangerously psychotic's rights in any way. Our culture has
decided they are better off sleeping outside on cardboard,
begging, self medicating, screaming at demons real or
imagined and wreaking various sorts of mayhem on the taxpayers.
Which, for what it's worth, leaves us yet with a lower
homicide rate than Brasil if that matters to you. (about 1:3
overall)
Brazil has been a right wing country for most of its history.
The strongest always prevails, though strongest usually means the one
with the bigger gun or the most bodyguards. Brazil has never had a
decent school system, and over 80% are illiterate(but counted as
literate if they can sign their names).
Our justice system is also right wing, and tends to jail the
poor and forgive the rich. Judges are not chosen by merit, it's by
"tradition". Grandpa judge = father judge and son judge.
Absolute poverty+a sensation justice does not exist+massive
inequality = high crime rate.

The only time Brazil was NOT extreme right wing was during
Lula/Dilmas mandates. And even those would be considered right wing in
Europe. Lula privatized, he never nationalized. He lowered taxes for
the poor, but never increased them for the rich, And yet the
international media labels him as "leftist". LOL.

Well, now we have Google re-classifying search results to
please governments, Meta and X spying on everyone and churning out
#FAKE_NEWS like it's a vitamin, criminals nominated to high positions,
and evangelical MFs deciding which parts of the bibel are pertinent to
their bank accounts and which are best ignored.
We'll have to rely on our memories and our morals for the next
few years.
[]'s

PS There were 40.000 homicides in Brazil in 2023 under Lula.
60.000 homicides in 2017 in the Temer/Bolsonaro regime. Give people
employment and salaries, they'll commit less crimes.
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
AMuzi
2025-02-09 16:46:23 UTC
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https://nypost.com/2025/02/07/us-news/terrifying-moment-san-francisco-store-owner-is-shot-seven-times-at-point-blank-range-in-random-attack/
And another one down and another one down. Another one bites the dust! How did he get any guns as an illegal alien which the articloe failed to mention.
The perp was born in San Francisco. A MAGA enthusiast. Was
psychotic. Oh, did I already imply that?
He thought that by killing the cannabis dispensary owner he
was helping "project 2025". More bibels, less drugs !!!!
There will be more attacks. Remember, even the mentally ill
can keep and bear arms in the land of the free.
[]'s
That's actually true.
Since the 1970s, it's extremely difficult to abridge a
dangerously psychotic's rights in any way. Our culture has
decided they are better off sleeping outside on cardboard,
begging, self medicating, screaming at demons real or
imagined and wreaking various sorts of mayhem on the taxpayers.
Which, for what it's worth, leaves us yet with a lower
homicide rate than Brasil if that matters to you. (about 1:3
overall)
Brazil has been a right wing country for most of its history.
The strongest always prevails, though strongest usually means the one
with the bigger gun or the most bodyguards. Brazil has never had a
decent school system, and over 80% are illiterate(but counted as
literate if they can sign their names).
Our justice system is also right wing, and tends to jail the
poor and forgive the rich. Judges are not chosen by merit, it's by
"tradition". Grandpa judge = father judge and son judge.
Absolute poverty+a sensation justice does not exist+massive
inequality = high crime rate.
The only time Brazil was NOT extreme right wing was during
Lula/Dilmas mandates. And even those would be considered right wing in
Europe. Lula privatized, he never nationalized. He lowered taxes for
the poor, but never increased them for the rich, And yet the
international media labels him as "leftist". LOL.
Well, now we have Google re-classifying search results to
please governments, Meta and X spying on everyone and churning out
#FAKE_NEWS like it's a vitamin, criminals nominated to high positions,
and evangelical MFs deciding which parts of the bibel are pertinent to
their bank accounts and which are best ignored.
We'll have to rely on our memories and our morals for the next
few years.
[]'s
PS There were 40.000 homicides in Brazil in 2023 under Lula.
60.000 homicides in 2017 in the Temer/Bolsonaro regime. Give people
employment and salaries, they'll commit less crimes.
From today's paper:

https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/

Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.

We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
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Andrew Muzi
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971
cyclintom
2025-02-09 21:51:22 UTC
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https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.

But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.

Sniveling and complaining is the mark of communists throughout the world. And usually because they aren't bright enough to work inside of ANY system. They believe that they have a right to be rich at the expense of others simply because they exist. When you think about it shadow really is a sad excuse for a human being.
John B.
2025-02-10 00:28:25 UTC
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https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?

They are both classified as communist.
--
Cheers,

John B.
cyclintom
2025-02-10 20:15:35 UTC
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https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
John B.
2025-02-11 01:49:50 UTC
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Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
--
Cheers,

John B.
cyclintom
2025-02-11 21:44:40 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
AMuzi
2025-02-12 00:45:58 UTC
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Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese characteristics'.

https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-mean.html

same thing after all.
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Andrew Muzi
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971
John B.
2025-02-12 01:49:50 UTC
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Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-mean.html
same thing after all.
China is now the favored brand of tourist here. They spend more money
while visiting Thailand then any other tourist nation :-)
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Cheers,

John B.
Catrike Ryder
2025-02-12 08:46:35 UTC
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https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people" obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they might know what's
in their own best interest.

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C'est bon
Soloman
John B.
2025-02-12 11:06:16 UTC
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Post by John B.
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https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people" obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S. there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
--
Cheers,

John B.
Shadow
2025-02-12 12:10:09 UTC
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Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S. there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
I suppose it might seem like that to most of the people most
of the time.....
Until one day they wake up....
Of course, the alphabets, meta's, amazons and x's try to delay
that from happening.
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AMuzi
2025-02-12 13:49:26 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people" obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S. there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
It is not.
We are a constitutional republic, which is different from
mob rule.
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Catrike Ryder
2025-02-12 14:15:02 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:46:35 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people" obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S. there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
Sadly, we have career politicians who get rich off their political
decisions and we have morons who keep re-electing them.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
John B.
2025-02-13 00:21:02 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:46:35 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people" obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S. there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
Sadly, we have career politicians who get rich off their political
decisions and we have morons who keep re-electing them.
Ever stop to think the ones that get elected may be the best of the
bunch?
--
Cheers,

John B.
Catrike Ryder
2025-02-13 00:27:58 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:15:02 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:46:35 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people" obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S. there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
Sadly, we have career politicians who get rich off their political
decisions and we have morons who keep re-electing them.
Ever stop to think the ones that get elected may be the best of the
bunch?
Look at the sad state of the country... 36 trillion dollars in debt.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
AMuzi
2025-02-13 01:35:37 UTC
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Post by John B.
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:46:35 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people" obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S. there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
Sadly, we have career politicians who get rich off their political
decisions and we have morons who keep re-electing them.
Ever stop to think the ones that get elected may be the best of the
bunch?
Look at the sad state of the country... 36 trillion dollars in debt.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Caller to radio station yesterday, "USAID staff says they
send aid to people who have nothing. But we owe
$36,000,000,000,000.00. Isn't that worse than having nothing?"

https://usadebtclock.com/
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AMuzi
2025-02-13 01:33:28 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:46:35 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people" obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S. there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
Sadly, we have career politicians who get rich off their political
decisions and we have morons who keep re-electing them.
Ever stop to think the ones that get elected may be the best of the
bunch?
Probably more true than we would like to think.

At least 'best' at climbing the greasy pole to office
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Zen Cycle
2025-02-13 21:11:35 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:15:02 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:46:35 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people" obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S. there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
Sadly, we have career politicians who get rich off their political
decisions and we have morons who keep re-electing them.
yup, last november is a classic example of morons re-electing a grifter.
Post by John B.
Ever stop to think the ones that get elected may be the best of the
bunch?
The smart ones don't run for office.
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AMuzi
2025-02-13 22:35:56 UTC
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Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:15:02 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 18:06:16 +0700, John B.
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:46:35 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 18:45:58 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 20:15:35 GMT, cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
On Sun, 09 Feb 2025 21:51:22 GMT, cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-
shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy
education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of
mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the
above.
We all have our preferred political environment.
And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in
those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply
cannot work and ended their system. They
supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their
country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked
anywhere in the world does not stop believers in
communism from tauting its "advantages" or
complaining about the weaknessses of the free
enterprise system that made more people richer,
faster than any other system, as being a weak
system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S.
then any other
country doesn't work?  Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon
fiber seatposts to America.
And some  $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that
the CCP is forced to look the other way while free
enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their
population. I said that communism doesn't work and
this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so
that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend
knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about
you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about
things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese
characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-
does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-
mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful ruler
at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people"
obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they
might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S.
there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still
claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
Sadly, we have career politicians who get rich off their
political
decisions and we have morons who keep re-electing them.
yup, last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter.
Post by John B.
Ever stop to think the ones that get elected may be the
best of the
bunch?
The smart ones don't run for office.
"last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter."


I assume that's Kathy Hochul.
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Zen Cycle
2025-02-13 23:00:16 UTC
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Post by John B.
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:46:35 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
On Sun, 09 Feb 2025 21:51:22 GMT, cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun- shy-sweden-
has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work
and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain
socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford
real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the
world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its
"advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the
free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster
than any other system, as being a weak system because it
isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work?  Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber
seatposts to America.
And some  $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is
forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a
substancial portion of their population. I said that communism
doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to
Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend
knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you -
unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't
understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What- does-path-of-
socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics- mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people" obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S. there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
Sadly, we have career politicians who get rich off their political
decisions and we have morons who keep re-electing them.
yup, last november is a classic example of morons re- electing a grifter.
Post by John B.
Ever stop to think the ones that get elected may be the best of the
bunch?
The smart ones don't run for office.
"last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter."
I assume that's Kathy Hochul.
yeah...sure...<eyeroll>
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2025-02-14 13:51:01 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 18:06:16 +0700, John B.
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:46:35 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 18:45:58 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 20:15:35 GMT, cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
On Sun, 09 Feb 2025 21:51:22 GMT, cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-
gun- shy-sweden- has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy
education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse
of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the
above.
We all have our preferred political
environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in
those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply
cannot work and ended their system. They
supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their
country is not rich enough to afford real
socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked
anywhere in the world does not stop believers
in communism from tauting its "advantages" or
complaining about the weaknessses of the free
enterprise system that made more people richer,
faster than any other system, as being a weak
system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S.
then any other
country doesn't work?  Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon
fiber seatposts to America.
And some  $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that
the CCP is forced to look the other way while free
enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of
their population. I said that communism doesn't
work and this plus North Korea renting out troops
to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof.
Your pretend knowledge of economics is like
everytthing else about you - unadulterated
bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't
understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese
characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-
does-path-of- socialism-with-Chinese-
characteristics- mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful
ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people"
obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they
might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S.
there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still
claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
Sadly, we have career politicians who get rich off
their political
decisions and we have morons who keep re-electing them.
yup, last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter.
Post by John B.
Ever stop to think the ones that get elected may be the
best of the
bunch?
The smart ones don't run for office.
"last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter."
I assume that's Kathy Hochul.
yeah...sure...<eyeroll>
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2022/03/30/where-hochul-money-bills-stadium-came-from/7216477001/

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/buffalo-bills-stadium-hochul/

But, hey, The People have spoken.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
John B.
2025-02-14 14:14:26 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:15:02 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 18:06:16 +0700, John B.
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:46:35 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 18:45:58 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 20:15:35 GMT, cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
On Sun, 09 Feb 2025 21:51:22 GMT, cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-
gun- shy-sweden- has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy
education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse
of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the
above.
We all have our preferred political
environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in
those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply
cannot work and ended their system. They
supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their
country is not rich enough to afford real
socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked
anywhere in the world does not stop believers
in communism from tauting its "advantages" or
complaining about the weaknessses of the free
enterprise system that made more people richer,
faster than any other system, as being a weak
system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S.
then any other
country doesn't work?  Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon
fiber seatposts to America.
And some  $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that
the CCP is forced to look the other way while free
enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of
their population. I said that communism doesn't
work and this plus North Korea renting out troops
to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof.
Your pretend knowledge of economics is like
everytthing else about you - unadulterated
bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't
understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese
characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-
does-path-of- socialism-with-Chinese-
characteristics- mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful
ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people"
obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they
might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S.
there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still
claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
Sadly, we have career politicians who get rich off
their political
decisions and we have morons who keep re-electing them.
yup, last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter.
Post by John B.
Ever stop to think the ones that get elected may be the
best of the
bunch?
The smart ones don't run for office.
"last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter."
I assume that's Kathy Hochul.
yeah...sure...<eyeroll>
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2022/03/30/where-hochul-money-bills-stadium-came-from/7216477001/
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/buffalo-bills-stadium-hochul/
But, hey, The People have spoken.
"a new housing voucher program for the homeless and economic
assistance for undocumented immigrants."A really great plan.
--
Cheers,

John B.
AMuzi
2025-02-14 14:50:01 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:15:02 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 18:06:16 +0700, John B.
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:46:35 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 18:45:58 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 20:15:35 GMT, cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
On Sun, 09 Feb 2025 21:51:22 GMT, cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-
gun- shy-sweden- has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy
education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse
of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the
above.
We all have our preferred political
environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in
those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply
cannot work and ended their system. They
supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their
country is not rich enough to afford real
socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked
anywhere in the world does not stop believers
in communism from tauting its "advantages" or
complaining about the weaknessses of the free
enterprise system that made more people richer,
faster than any other system, as being a weak
system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S.
then any other
country doesn't work?  Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon
fiber seatposts to America.
And some  $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that
the CCP is forced to look the other way while free
enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of
their population. I said that communism doesn't
work and this plus North Korea renting out troops
to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof.
Your pretend knowledge of economics is like
everytthing else about you - unadulterated
bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't
understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese
characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-
does-path-of- socialism-with-Chinese-
characteristics- mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful
ruler at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people"
obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they
might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S.
there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still
claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
Sadly, we have career politicians who get rich off
their political
decisions and we have morons who keep re-electing them.
yup, last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter.
Post by John B.
Ever stop to think the ones that get elected may be the
best of the
bunch?
The smart ones don't run for office.
"last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter."
I assume that's Kathy Hochul.
yeah...sure...<eyeroll>
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2022/03/30/where-hochul-money-bills-stadium-came-from/7216477001/
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/buffalo-bills-stadium-hochul/
But, hey, The People have spoken.
"a new housing voucher program for the homeless and economic
assistance for undocumented immigrants."A really great plan.
Mere distractions.

The whole point is:
https://www.levernews.com/hochuls-stadium-deal-involved-seneca-ransom-money-and-could-benefit-her-family/

Very well reported, for years, including sharp criticism
from elected officials in her own party, but NY voters don't
care.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Frank Krygowski
2025-02-14 16:22:54 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
"last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter."
I assume that's Kathy Hochul.
yeah...sure...<eyeroll>
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2022/03/30/where-hochul-
money-bills-stadium-came-from/7216477001/
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/buffalo-bills-stadium-hochul/
But, hey, The People have spoken.
It takes real dedication to ignore the much, much more obvious example.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Zen Cycle
2025-02-14 19:10:38 UTC
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Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by AMuzi
"last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter."
I assume that's Kathy Hochul.
yeah...sure...<eyeroll>
https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/news/2022/03/30/where-
hochul- money-bills-stadium-came-from/7216477001/
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/buffalo-bills-stadium-hochul/
But, hey, The People have spoken.
It takes real dedication to ignore the much, much more obvious example.
Which incidentally has a much greater effect on the American citizen
than some local shenanigans.

Sort of like ranting about how unpatriotic the Associated Press is when
Musk is gutting the FCC to get a better deal for Starlink.
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Catrike Ryder
2025-02-13 23:02:11 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 09:15:02 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 18:06:16 +0700, John B.
Post by John B.
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 03:46:35 -0500, Catrike Ryder
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 18:45:58 -0600, AMuzi
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
On Mon, 10 Feb 2025 20:15:35 GMT, cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
On Sun, 09 Feb 2025 21:51:22 GMT, cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-
shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy
education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of
mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the
above.
We all have our preferred political environment.
And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in
those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply
cannot work and ended their system. They
supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their
country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked
anywhere in the world does not stop believers in
communism from tauting its "advantages" or
complaining about the weaknessses of the free
enterprise system that made more people richer,
faster than any other system, as being a weak
system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S.
then any other
country doesn't work?  Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon
fiber seatposts to America.
And some  $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that
the CCP is forced to look the other way while free
enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their
population. I said that communism doesn't work and
this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so
that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend
knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about
you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about
things you don't understand.
Well, nothing has changed.
Now it's called 'capitalism with chinese
characteristics'.
https://www.cgtn.com/how-china-works/feature/What-
does-path-of-socialism-with-Chinese-characteristics-
mean.html
same thing after all.
All forms of collectivism require a rich powerful ruler
at the top
pulling strings and making sure all of the "people"
obey the
regulations and don't go around thinking that they
might know what's
in their own best interest.
Well, "free" money has a great allure and in the U.S.
there seems to
be a considerable amount of it. The U.S. is still
claiming to be a
democratic government, is it not?
Sadly, we have career politicians who get rich off their
political
decisions and we have morons who keep re-electing them.
yup, last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter.
Post by John B.
Ever stop to think the ones that get elected may be the
best of the
bunch?
The smart ones don't run for office.
"last november is a classic example of morons re-
electing a grifter."
I assume that's Kathy Hochul.
Adam Schiff

--
C'est bon
Soloman
John B.
2025-02-12 01:39:40 UTC
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Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by John B.
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-with-mass-shootings/
Many of the failures we share (miserably lousy education
system, homicides and assaults, abject abuse of mentally
ill) defy simple analysis as noted well in the above.
We all have our preferred political environment. And each
one of us is regularly disappointed. But in those specific
issues results cross all political lines.
The Russians discovered that communism simply cannot work and ended their system. They supposedly dropped to plain socialism but their country is not rich enough to afford real socialism.
But the fact that communism has NEVER worked anywhere in the world does not stop believers in communism from tauting its "advantages" or complaining about the weaknessses of the free enterprise system that made more people richer, faster than any other system, as being a weak system because it isn't perfect.
You mean China - who sell more stuff to the U.S. then any other
country doesn't work? Or Vietnam doesn't work?
They are both classified as communist.
Everyone got this now, the CCP is selling carbon fiber seatposts to America.
And some $562.9 billion worth of other stuff.
John, China is in such a bad economic position that the CCP is forced to look the other way while free enterprise is feeding a substancial portion of their population. I said that communism doesn't work and this plus North Korea renting out troops to Russia so that they can eat is just more proof. Your pretend knowledge of economics is like everytthing else about you - unadulterated bullshit. Stop talking about things you don't understand.
Gee! China in such a bad economic trouble? My Nephew just visited the
country and he tells me that all the bicycles you used to see on the
streets are now autos :-) And don't forget that 2022. Exports to
China were $195.5 billion; imports from China were $562.9 billion.

As of 2017, the People's Republic of China has more SOEs than any
other country, and the most SOEs among large national
companies.[1]:?137? As of the end of 2019, China's SOEs represented
4.5% of the global economy[2] and the total assets of all China's
SOEs, including those operating in the financial sector, reached
US$78.08 trillion.

(SOE - State owned enterprise)
--
Cheers,

John B.
Frank Krygowski
2025-02-12 01:58:35 UTC
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    PS There were 40.000 homicides in Brazil in 2023 under Lula.
60.000 homicides in 2017 in the Temer/Bolsonaro regime. Give people
employment and salaries, they'll commit less crimes.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-has-to-deal-
with-mass-shootings/
Hmm. Focusing on outliers yet again!

https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier

I'd bet that Swedish news outlets never bother to report much about
American mass shootings. They're too common to be interesting.
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- Frank Krygowski
AMuzi
2025-02-12 02:28:02 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
    PS There were 40.000 homicides in Brazil in 2023
under Lula.
60.000 homicides in 2017 in the Temer/Bolsonaro regime.
Give people
employment and salaries, they'll commit less crimes.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden-
has-to-deal- with-mass-shootings/
Hmm. Focusing on outliers yet again!
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-
data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier
I'd bet that Swedish news outlets never bother to report
much about American mass shootings. They're too common to be
interesting.
The important point of the piece is the ineffectiveness of
legislation across a wide range of policy and culture.
--
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Frank Krygowski
2025-02-12 02:37:17 UTC
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    PS There were 40.000 homicides in Brazil in 2023 under Lula.
60.000 homicides in 2017 in the Temer/Bolsonaro regime. Give people
employment and salaries, they'll commit less crimes.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden- has-to-
deal- with-mass-shootings/
Hmm. Focusing on outliers yet again!
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting- data/gun-
violence-united-states-outlier
I'd bet that Swedish news outlets never bother to report much about
American mass shootings. They're too common to be interesting.
The important point of the piece is the ineffectiveness of legislation
across a wide range of policy and culture.
Still! If legislation consistently causes a far lower number of bad
incidents, one exceptional incident doesn't prove the legislation was bad.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Catrike Ryder
2025-02-12 09:32:55 UTC
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Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
    PS There were 40.000 homicides in Brazil in 2023 under Lula.
60.000 homicides in 2017 in the Temer/Bolsonaro regime. Give people
employment and salaries, they'll commit less crimes.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden- has-to-
deal- with-mass-shootings/
Hmm. Focusing on outliers yet again!
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting- data/gun-
violence-united-states-outlier
I'd bet that Swedish news outlets never bother to report much about
American mass shootings. They're too common to be interesting.
The important point of the piece is the ineffectiveness of legislation
across a wide range of policy and culture.
Still! If legislation consistently causes a far lower number of bad
incidents, one exceptional incident doesn't prove the legislation was bad.
That there might be lower numbers of bad incidents does not prove it
was caused by legislation.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Rolf Mantel
2025-02-12 09:54:01 UTC
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On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 21:37:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
    PS There were 40.000 homicides in Brazil in 2023 under Lula.
60.000 homicides in 2017 in the Temer/Bolsonaro regime. Give people
employment and salaries, they'll commit less crimes.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden- has-to-
deal- with-mass-shootings/
Hmm. Focusing on outliers yet again!
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting- data/gun-
violence-united-states-outlier
I'd bet that Swedish news outlets never bother to report much about
American mass shootings. They're too common to be interesting.
The important point of the piece is the ineffectiveness of legislation
across a wide range of policy and culture.
Still! If legislation consistently causes a far lower number of bad
incidents, one exceptional incident doesn't prove the legislation was bad.
That there might be lower numbers of bad incidents does not prove it
was caused by legislation.
Sure, correlation is not causation. However, it is a storng indicator
that the legislation was not detrimental to reducing the number of
incidents because an "anti-causation" would break correlation.
Catrike Ryder
2025-02-12 13:43:09 UTC
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Post by Rolf Mantel
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 21:37:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
    PS There were 40.000 homicides in Brazil in 2023 under Lula.
60.000 homicides in 2017 in the Temer/Bolsonaro regime. Give people
employment and salaries, they'll commit less crimes.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden- has-to-
deal- with-mass-shootings/
Hmm. Focusing on outliers yet again!
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting- data/gun-
violence-united-states-outlier
I'd bet that Swedish news outlets never bother to report much about
American mass shootings. They're too common to be interesting.
The important point of the piece is the ineffectiveness of legislation
across a wide range of policy and culture.
Still! If legislation consistently causes a far lower number of bad
incidents, one exceptional incident doesn't prove the legislation was bad.
That there might be lower numbers of bad incidents does not prove it
was caused by legislation.
Sure, correlation is not causation. However, it is a storng indicator
that the legislation was not detrimental to reducing the number of
incidents because an "anti-causation" would break correlation.
It might have been something that happened in another country, like
perhaps they stopped allowing their thugs to come across the border.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
John B.
2025-02-12 14:04:50 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 10:54:01 +0100, Rolf Mantel
Post by Rolf Mantel
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 21:37:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
    PS There were 40.000 homicides in Brazil in 2023 under Lula.
60.000 homicides in 2017 in the Temer/Bolsonaro regime. Give people
employment and salaries, they'll commit less crimes.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden- has-to-
deal- with-mass-shootings/
Hmm. Focusing on outliers yet again!
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting- data/gun-
violence-united-states-outlier
I'd bet that Swedish news outlets never bother to report much about
American mass shootings. They're too common to be interesting.
The important point of the piece is the ineffectiveness of legislation
across a wide range of policy and culture.
Still! If legislation consistently causes a far lower number of bad
incidents, one exceptional incident doesn't prove the legislation was bad.
That there might be lower numbers of bad incidents does not prove it
was caused by legislation.
Sure, correlation is not causation. However, it is a storng indicator
that the legislation was not detrimental to reducing the number of
incidents because an "anti-causation" would break correlation.
It might have been something that happened in another country, like
perhaps they stopped allowing their thugs to come across the border.
Thailand solved the problem of illegal workers.

The law says that someone that hires illegal workers or assign legal
workers to unauthorized jobs. face fines of 10,000 to 100,000 baht per
worker. Repeat offenders risk up to a year in prison,

In current terms 10,000 baht, in Thailand, amounts to about 27 days at
minimum salary rates.

Needless to say there are few illegal workers here, which in turn
means that unemployment rates are very low.
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John B.
Catrike Ryder
2025-02-12 14:30:18 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 10:54:01 +0100, Rolf Mantel
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Post by Catrike Ryder
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 21:37:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
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    PS There were 40.000 homicides in Brazil in 2023 under Lula.
60.000 homicides in 2017 in the Temer/Bolsonaro regime. Give people
employment and salaries, they'll commit less crimes.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden- has-to-
deal- with-mass-shootings/
Hmm. Focusing on outliers yet again!
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting- data/gun-
violence-united-states-outlier
I'd bet that Swedish news outlets never bother to report much about
American mass shootings. They're too common to be interesting.
The important point of the piece is the ineffectiveness of legislation
across a wide range of policy and culture.
Still! If legislation consistently causes a far lower number of bad
incidents, one exceptional incident doesn't prove the legislation was bad.
That there might be lower numbers of bad incidents does not prove it
was caused by legislation.
Sure, correlation is not causation. However, it is a storng indicator
that the legislation was not detrimental to reducing the number of
incidents because an "anti-causation" would break correlation.
It might have been something that happened in another country, like
perhaps they stopped allowing their thugs to come across the border.
Thailand solved the problem of illegal workers.
The law says that someone that hires illegal workers or assign legal
workers to unauthorized jobs. face fines of 10,000 to 100,000 baht per
worker. Repeat offenders risk up to a year in prison,
In current terms 10,000 baht, in Thailand, amounts to about 27 days at
minimum salary rates.
Needless to say there are few illegal workers here, which in turn
means that unemployment rates are very low.
That's against the law here, too, but isn't enforced in many states.

A Florida restaurant owner has found himself in hot water after
pleading guilty to employing undocumented workers. Hua Yao Ke, 38,
owner and operator of Kamiya 86 Sushi and Thai restaurant, admitted to
hiring workers who were unlawfully present in the United States and
failing to verify their legal work status.

Ke’s scheme went beyond just hiring undocumented workers. He also
provided them with free housing and transportation, paid them in cash,
and failed to withhold taxes from their wages, according to the plea
agreement.

https://www.tampafp.com/sushi-chef-rolls-up-trouble-florida-restaurant-owner-pleads-guilty-to-employing-illegal-aliens/

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Frank Krygowski
2025-02-14 16:32:47 UTC
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 08:43:09 -0500, Catrike Ryder
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On Wed, 12 Feb 2025 10:54:01 +0100, Rolf Mantel
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Tue, 11 Feb 2025 21:37:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-sweden- has-to-
deal- with-mass-shootings/
Hmm. Focusing on outliers yet again!
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting- data/gun-
violence-united-states-outlier
I'd bet that Swedish news outlets never bother to report much about
American mass shootings. They're too common to be interesting.
Thailand solved the problem of illegal workers.
Wait. The mass murderer in Andrew's linked article was Swedish. His
victims were (mostly?) of foreign origin - but AFAIK not illegal.

Are you blaming the victims for being foreign, even though they were
legal? Or what?
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AMuzi
2025-02-12 13:43:15 UTC
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    PS There were 40.000 homicides in Brazil in 2023
under Lula.
60.000 homicides in 2017 in the Temer/Bolsonaro regime.
Give people
employment and salaries, they'll commit less crimes.
https://nypost.com/2025/02/08/opinion/even-gun-shy-
sweden- has-to- deal- with-mass-shootings/
Hmm. Focusing on outliers yet again!
https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/
acting- data/gun- violence-united-states-outlier
I'd bet that Swedish news outlets never bother to report
much about American mass shootings. They're too common to
be interesting.
The important point of the piece is the ineffectiveness of
legislation across a wide range of policy and culture.
Still! If legislation consistently causes a far lower number
of bad incidents, one exceptional incident doesn't prove the
legislation was bad.
No one said 'bad'. Merely irrelevant.
c.f. the States and cities with the most restrictive
firearms regulation enjoy excessive rates of forearm violence.
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Frank Krygowski
2025-02-14 16:38:11 UTC
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! If legislation consistently causes a far lower number of bad
incidents, one exceptional incident doesn't prove the legislation was bad.
No one said 'bad'. Merely irrelevant.
I know one of your recurring themes is "Laws don't work." A more
intelligent claim would be "Laws don't work 100% of the time."
Post by AMuzi
c.f. the States and cities with the most restrictive firearms regulation
enjoy excessive rates of forearm violence.
But the countries with more restrictive firearms regulations (including
mechanisms to restrict firearms entering the country) _do_ have far less
firearm violence.

Compare Detroit vs. Windsor, Ontario:
https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/a-tale-of-two-cities-windsor-and-detroit-murder-rates-show-stark-contrast

The difference isn't due to climate.
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cyclintom
2025-02-09 21:39:12 UTC
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with action video
https://nypost.com/2025/02/07/us-news/terrifying-moment-san-francisco-store-owner-is-shot-seven-times-at-point-blank-range-in-random-attack/
And another one down and another one down. Another one bites the dust! How did he get any guns as an illegal alien which the articloe failed to mention.
The perp was born in San Francisco. A MAGA enthusiast. Was
psychotic. Oh, did I already imply that?
He thought that by killing the cannabis dispensary owner he
was helping "project 2025". More bibels, less drugs !!!!
There will be more attacks. Remember, even the mentally ill
can keep and bear arms in the land of the free.
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That's actually true.
Since the 1970s, it's extremely difficult to abridge a
dangerously psychotic's rights in any way. Our culture has
decided they are better off sleeping outside on cardboard,
begging, self medicating, screaming at demons real or
imagined and wreaking various sorts of mayhem on the taxpayers.
Which, for what it's worth, leaves us yet with a lower
homicide rate than Brasil if that matters to you. (about 1:3
overall)
Nothing matters to that "shadow" jackass than to lie about anything and everything as if he actually knew something. The Bazilian government is spending a lot of time seeking out the communists which is why this horses ass is hiding under a pseudonym.
Shadow
2025-02-09 22:26:46 UTC
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with action video
https://nypost.com/2025/02/07/us-news/terrifying-moment-san-francisco-store-owner-is-shot-seven-times-at-point-blank-range-in-random-attack/
And another one down and another one down. Another one bites the dust! How did he get any guns as an illegal alien which the articloe failed to mention.
The perp was born in San Francisco. A MAGA enthusiast. Was
psychotic. Oh, did I already imply that?
He thought that by killing the cannabis dispensary owner he
was helping "project 2025". More bibels, less drugs !!!!
There will be more attacks. Remember, even the mentally ill
can keep and bear arms in the land of the free.
[]'s
That's actually true.
Since the 1970s, it's extremely difficult to abridge a
dangerously psychotic's rights in any way. Our culture has
decided they are better off sleeping outside on cardboard,
begging, self medicating, screaming at demons real or
imagined and wreaking various sorts of mayhem on the taxpayers.
Which, for what it's worth, leaves us yet with a lower
homicide rate than Brasil if that matters to you. (about 1:3
overall)
Nothing matters to that "shadow" jackass than to lie about anything and everything as if he actually knew something. The Bazilian government is spending a lot of time seeking out the communists which is why this horses ass is hiding under a pseudonym.
We have two "official" communist parties here in Brazil(PCB
and PC do B). Both support Bolsonaro/Trump, because what they really
want is a dictatorship.
Lula kicked all communists out of the Worker's Party decades
ago. None left in his party.
You really should study at least some politics before posting.

How's the US going? I heard Google is putting a list of
"unlawful extraterrestrials" that Obama kicked out on the first search
page. So people think the orange thing is actually doing something.
Not really #FAKE_NEWS but certainly #FAKE_SEARCH_RESULTS.
What about the new taxes or "Tariffs". 100% on everything
Chinese? Not happening? What, Musk, Bezos and Zukerberg made over 200
billion dollars off pension funds and charities that thought that
Trump was not lying, and sold their shares in export/import companies
at a massive loss?
I'm surprised.... NOT!!!!
The woman in charge of solving the drug overdose problem.
While she was in power the number of deaths DOUBLED? Well, that'll
work. Less addicts, less people left to die.... incredible!!!

<https://reason.com/2024/11/27/florida-drug-deaths-rose-dramatically-as-pam-bondi-did-her-incredible-job-of-reducing-them/>

I'll leave it at that. You must have a headache. And I didn't
even mention the new Riviera in New Auschwitz......
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