tricyclist shot

[AMuzi]

https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-bullet-on-nyc-street/

Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire,
else it could have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles,
damaged by society's failures.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

[Shadow]

On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".
As it turns out, no-one died and the criminals were caught.
[]'s

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".
As it turns out, no-one died and the criminals were caught.
[]'s

Bastards will be back on the streets before the cops get the report
filed. It wasn't their fault. Society failed them and they found
themselves under the control of a wicked gun.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".
As it turns out, no-one died and the criminals were caught.
[]'s

Bastards will be back on the streets before the cops get the report
filed.

So much fear!

[AMuzi]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-
in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning
fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged
by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

    According to the article, all of the criminals were
teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of
beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the
shooting? How
can that be?

    I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire.
Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15
round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".
    As it turns out, no-one died and the criminals were
caught.
    []'s

Bastards will be back on the streets before the cops get
the report
filed.

So much fear!

Not fear. That's an apt description of our modern
procedures and processes in New York, not unlike Chicago,
Oakland etc.

Polk County FL is different in that regard.

I'm reminded of a nice resolution to a 2023 Chicago
carjacking and police pursuit. The offender eventually
crashed and was arrested. Later, he was convicted of
reckless driving, eluding police, resisting arrest and
sentenced to 4 years at which he complained loudly that he
had never been given time for his previous carjackings or
police chases.

Unfortunately for him that chase ended after he crossed the
County line and the Will County judge replied, "This is not
Cook County" and struck her gavel to adjourn.

[John B.]

On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 18:19:29 -0400, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".
As it turns out, no-one died and the criminals were caught.
[]'s

Bastards will be back on the streets before the cops get the report
filed. It wasn't their fault. Society failed them and they found
themselves under the control of a wicked gun.

But Guns don't shoot people. I did a study of this on the Web and I
cannot find a single instance where a firearm leaped to it's feet,
rushed out the door and started firing. No Sir! Not a single instance.

[John B.]

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe 80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

Post by Shadow
As it turns out, no-one died and the criminals were caught.
[]'s

[Shadow]

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe 80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

I take it he was using a rifle in some deserted place, and not
a pistol in a crowded area?
[]'s

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
As it turns out, no-one died and the criminals were caught.
[]'s

[John B.]

Post by Shadow

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe 80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

I take it he was using a rifle in some deserted place, and not
a pistol in a crowded area?

Of course he was using a shotgun or a rifle and of course he wasn't in
a crowded place. But the point was that he knew what he was about and
did it.

As for a pistol in a crowded place :-) That all depends on who is
doing the shooting :-) I was a fairly good pistol shooter - 2 State
championships in one year and selected to shoot on the Strategic Air
Command team and I believe if I shot at someone he would get hit and
no other :-)

Post by Shadow

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
As it turns out, no-one died and the criminals were caught.
[]'s

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe 80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

Gosh! He didn't need a 30 round magazine and the ability to empty it
into his prey within a minute?

[AMuzi]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-
in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning
fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged
by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

    According to the article, all of the criminals were
teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of
beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the
shooting? How
can that be?

    I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire.
Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15
round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe
80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

Gosh! He didn't need a 30 round magazine and the ability to
empty it into his prey within a minute?

Utterly different situations.

Carefully and quietly tracking deer and lining up a shot has
zero relevance to defending against a human threat. Any
human deadly threat, not only a 'two way range'.

Knives for example:
https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/new-knife-attack-decision-court-ponders-how-far-is-close-enough-to-be-an-immediate-threat-EVKm7zBreo2oKUmm/

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck- in-face-
by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

    According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

    I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe 80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

Gosh! He didn't need a 30 round magazine and the ability to empty it
into his prey within a minute?

Utterly different situations.

Actually, my comment was meant to question the occasional claim that an
AR is just the thing for deer hunting.

Post by AMuzi
Carefully and quietly tracking deer and lining up a shot has zero
relevance to defending against a human threat.  Any human deadly threat,
not only a 'two way range'.
https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/new-knife-attack-decision-court-
ponders-how-far-is-close-enough-to-be-an-immediate-threat-EVKm7zBreo2oKUmm/

Yes, I've read about that "21 foot" idea before. Call me amazingly brave
or call me naive, but I still walk or bike unarmed within 21 feet of
strangers!

[John B.]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-
in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning
fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged
by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

    According to the article, all of the criminals were
teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of
beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the
shooting? How
can that be?

    I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire.
Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15
round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe
80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

Gosh! He didn't need a 30 round magazine and the ability to
empty it into his prey within a minute?

Utterly different situations.
Carefully and quietly tracking deer and lining up a shot has
zero relevance to defending against a human threat. Any
human deadly threat, not only a 'two way range'.
https://www.police1.com/legal/articles/new-knife-attack-decision-court-ponders-how-far-is-close-enough-to-be-an-immediate-threat-EVKm7zBreo2oKUmm/

Even more disturbing is the part of the post that reads "two gang
suppression officers patrolling nearby responded within two minutes."

[John B.]

On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:41:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe 80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

Gosh! He didn't need a 30 round magazine and the ability to empty it
into his prey within a minute?

I've told and Andrew have told you over and over but you just don't
listed.
So SEE BLOW for lists of firearms with exactly the same rate of fire
as the dreaded AR.
Do try to be a bit more rational in future posts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_rifles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_pistols

As for those huge AR magazines see any "magazine shop" as they
certainly supply 5 and 10 round magazines.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:41:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe 80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

Gosh! He didn't need a 30 round magazine and the ability to empty it
into his prey within a minute?

I've told and Andrew have told you over and over but you just don't
listed.
So SEE BLOW for lists of firearms with exactly the same rate of fire
as the dreaded AR.
Do try to be a bit more rational in future posts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_rifles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_pistols
As for those huge AR magazines see any "magazine shop" as they
certainly supply 5 and 10 round magazines.

To summarize:

My point was, by your description, your grandfather did not need to fire
30 rounds rapidly to take down a deer. IOW, that capability isn't needed
for legitimate deer hunting.

Your attempted rebuttal: "Lots of guns fire rapidly."

How do you not see that your point does not rebut mine?

[AMuzi]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:41:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-
stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning
fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles,
damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

    According to the article, all of the criminals were
teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle
of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop
the shooting? How
can that be?

    I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire.
Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15
round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe
80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

Gosh! He didn't need a 30 round magazine and the ability
to empty it
into his prey within a minute?

I've told and Andrew have told you over and over but you
just don't
listed.
So SEE BLOW for lists of firearms with exactly the same
rate of fire
as the dreaded AR.
Do try to be a bit more rational in future posts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_rifles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_pistols
As for those huge AR magazines see any "magazine shop" as
they
certainly supply 5 and 10 round magazines.

My point was, by your description, your grandfather did not
need to fire 30 rounds rapidly to take down a deer. IOW,
that capability isn't needed for legitimate deer hunting.
Your attempted rebuttal: "Lots of guns fire rapidly."
How do you not see that your point does not rebut mine?

No one is attacking or defending deer hunting as regards 2d
Amendment.

Patiently lining up a shot on a deer is utterly and
completely irrelevant to defending against a human threat.
Those incidents are decided in decimals of a second not
several deliberate minutes.

Typical event shows <2 seconds from first display of
attacker's weapon to fatal shot in this one minute report:

And deer do not return fire so subsequent rounds are
irrelevant in almost all cases. The usual aftermath of a
poor deer shot is long tedious tracking, not another round.

[John B.]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:41:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-
stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning
fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles,
damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

    According to the article, all of the criminals were
teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle
of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop
the shooting? How
can that be?

    I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire.
Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15
round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe
80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

Gosh! He didn't need a 30 round magazine and the ability
to empty it
into his prey within a minute?

I've told and Andrew have told you over and over but you
just don't
listed.
So SEE BLOW for lists of firearms with exactly the same
rate of fire
as the dreaded AR.
Do try to be a bit more rational in future posts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_rifles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_pistols
As for those huge AR magazines see any "magazine shop" as
they
certainly supply 5 and 10 round magazines.

My point was, by your description, your grandfather did not
need to fire 30 rounds rapidly to take down a deer. IOW,
that capability isn't needed for legitimate deer hunting.
Your attempted rebuttal: "Lots of guns fire rapidly."
How do you not see that your point does not rebut mine?

No one is attacking or defending deer hunting as regards 2d
Amendment.
Patiently lining up a shot on a deer is utterly and
completely irrelevant to defending against a human threat.
Those incidents are decided in decimals of a second not
several deliberate minutes.
Typical event shows <2 seconds from first display of
http://youtu.be/D2iv4bE9cLM
And deer do not return fire so subsequent rounds are
irrelevant in almost all cases. The usual aftermath of a
poor deer shot is long tedious tracking, not another round.

I was attempting to reply to the "Imagine "a 75 year old with blood
clouding his eyesight" by saying my grandpa could see perfectly even
older thn75.\

[Shadow]

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:41:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-
stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning
fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles,
damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

    According to the article, all of the criminals were
teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle
of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop
the shooting? How
can that be?

    I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire.
Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15
round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe
80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

Gosh! He didn't need a 30 round magazine and the ability
to empty it
into his prey within a minute?

I've told and Andrew have told you over and over but you
just don't
listed.
So SEE BLOW for lists of firearms with exactly the same
rate of fire
as the dreaded AR.
Do try to be a bit more rational in future posts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_rifles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_pistols
As for those huge AR magazines see any "magazine shop" as
they
certainly supply 5 and 10 round magazines.

My point was, by your description, your grandfather did not
need to fire 30 rounds rapidly to take down a deer. IOW,
that capability isn't needed for legitimate deer hunting.
Your attempted rebuttal: "Lots of guns fire rapidly."
How do you not see that your point does not rebut mine?

No one is attacking or defending deer hunting as regards 2d
Amendment.
Patiently lining up a shot on a deer is utterly and
completely irrelevant to defending against a human threat.
Those incidents are decided in decimals of a second not
several deliberate minutes.
Typical event shows <2 seconds from first display of
http://youtu.be/D2iv4bE9cLM
And deer do not return fire so subsequent rounds are
irrelevant in almost all cases. The usual aftermath of a
poor deer shot is long tedious tracking, not another round.

I was attempting to reply to the "Imagine "a 75 year old with blood
clouding his eyesight" by saying my grandpa could see perfectly even
older thn75.\

The report said that. he was "struck in the face" and "covered
in blood".
I was not saying 75 year olds can't have perfect eyesight,
though it's "normal" to have cataracts at that age. Perfect eyesight
would be the exception.
[]'s

PS I used to teach the local police how to shoot. The local
sheriff (delegado) couldn't hit a barn door with a shotgun
(literally). We used to go to an old abandoned house, and I taped a
target to the door. On his first attempt he managed to hit some tiles
on the roof. That from around 10 meters.
LOL. It's a good job "delegados" are lawyers and do not do any
street work.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Frank Krygowski
My point was, by your description, your grandfather did not need to
fire 30 rounds rapidly to take down a deer. IOW, that capability isn't
needed for legitimate deer hunting.
Your attempted rebuttal: "Lots of guns fire rapidly."
How do you not see that your point does not rebut mine?

No one is attacking or defending deer hunting as regards 2d Amendment.

But some people are defending widespread availability of the
designed-for-military AR platform by saying "It's great for deer
hunting." That's the point I was addressing.

[Catrike Ryder]

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:25:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
My point was, by your description, your grandfather did not need to
fire 30 rounds rapidly to take down a deer. IOW, that capability isn't
needed for legitimate deer hunting.
Your attempted rebuttal: "Lots of guns fire rapidly."
How do you not see that your point does not rebut mine?

No one is attacking or defending deer hunting as regards 2d Amendment.

But some people are defending widespread availability of the
designed-for-military AR platform by saying "It's great for deer
hunting." That's the point I was addressing.

How would a wussie like you know anything about deer hunting?

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 14:25:26 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
My point was, by your description, your grandfather did not need to
fire 30 rounds rapidly to take down a deer. IOW, that capability isn't
needed for legitimate deer hunting.
Your attempted rebuttal: "Lots of guns fire rapidly."
How do you not see that your point does not rebut mine?

No one is attacking or defending deer hunting as regards 2d Amendment.

But some people are defending widespread availability of the
designed-for-military AR platform by saying "It's great for deer
hunting." That's the point I was addressing.

How would a wussie like you know anything about deer hunting?

The same way a chicken shit like you knows anything about bravery.

Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman

[John B.]

On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:29:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:41:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe 80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

Gosh! He didn't need a 30 round magazine and the ability to empty it
into his prey within a minute?

I've told and Andrew have told you over and over but you just don't
listed.
So SEE BLOW for lists of firearms with exactly the same rate of fire
as the dreaded AR.
Do try to be a bit more rational in future posts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_rifles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_pistols
As for those huge AR magazines see any "magazine shop" as they
certainly supply 5 and 10 round magazines.

My point was, by your description, your grandfather did not need to fire
30 rounds rapidly to take down a deer. IOW, that capability isn't needed
for legitimate deer hunting.

You seem amazingly obtuse. You talk about "Imagine a 75

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

I was simply pointing out that a 75 old wasn't necessarily "clouding
his eyesight emptying"
But out of kindness I won't shout Liar, Liar. I'll just quietly say
"prevaricator"
.



Your attempted rebuttal: "Lots of guns fire rapidly."

Post by Frank Krygowski
How do you not see that your point does not rebut mine?

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by John B.
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 10:29:17 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 14:41:00 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

Well (:-) my grandfather well into his 70's, and maybe 80's, was still
hunting and using 1 bullet for 1 deer.

Gosh! He didn't need a 30 round magazine and the ability to empty it
into his prey within a minute?

I've told and Andrew have told you over and over but you just don't
listed.
So SEE BLOW for lists of firearms with exactly the same rate of fire
as the dreaded AR.
Do try to be a bit more rational in future posts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_rifles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_semi-automatic_pistols
As for those huge AR magazines see any "magazine shop" as they
certainly supply 5 and 10 round magazines.

My point was, by your description, your grandfather did not need to fire
30 rounds rapidly to take down a deer. IOW, that capability isn't needed
for legitimate deer hunting.

You seem amazingly obtuse. You talk about "Imagine a 75

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".

I was simply pointing out that a 75 old wasn't necessarily "clouding
his eyesight emptying"
But out of kindness I won't shout Liar, Liar. I'll just quietly say
"prevaricator"
.
Your attempted rebuttal: "Lots of guns fire rapidly."

Post by Frank Krygowski
How do you not see that your point does not rebut mine?

Only a half-witted fool would believe that eliminating AR type guns
would eliminate mass shootings. There are many, many other guns that
would take up the slack.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[AMuzi]

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 16:50:38 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-face-by-stray-
bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it could
have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by society's
failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.

According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of beer.

Post by Frank Krygowski
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

I'm glad the laws kept him from returning fire. Imagine a 75
year old with blood clouding his eyesight emptying a 15 round magazine
into what he "thought" were the "bad guys".
As it turns out, no-one died and the criminals were caught.
[]'s
According to the article, all of the criminals were teens.
It's probably easier to buy a stolen gun that a bottle of

beer.

+1 indeed, that's true.

[AMuzi]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in-
face-by-stray- bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire,
else it could have been a tragedy for the hapless
juveniles, damaged by society's failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the
shooting? How can that be?

New York.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-in- face-by-
stray- bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it
could have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by
society's failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting? How
can that be?

New York.

That explains why there are no punks shooting random people in any other
state!

... or maybe not ...

[AMuzi]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-
in- face-by- stray- bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire,
else it could have been a tragedy for the hapless
juveniles, damaged by society's failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the
shooting? How can that be?

New York.

That explains why there are no punks shooting random people
in any other state!
... or maybe not ...

Not New York:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/houston-shooting-taqueria-ranchito-texas/

[zen cycle]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck- in-
face-by- stray- bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire, else it
could have been a tragedy for the hapless juveniles, damaged by
society's failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the shooting?
How can that be?

New York.

That explains why there are no punks shooting random people in any
other state!
... or maybe not ...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/houston-shooting-taqueria-ranchito-texas/

Yes, Houston, that hell hole of liberalism

[cyclintom]

Post by zen cycle
Yes, Houston, that hell hole of liberalism

Do you mean they aren't queer like you and your favorite President?

[cyclintom]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by AMuzi
https://nypost.com/2024/09/13/us-news/cyclist-75-stuck-
in- face-by- stray- bullet-on-nyc-street/
Fortunately NY laws kept the victim from returning fire,
else it could have been a tragedy for the hapless
juveniles, damaged by society's failures.

This is what happens if you saturate society with guns.
But gosh, no "good guy with a gun" was able to stop the
shooting? How can that be?

New York.

That explains why there are no punks shooting random people
in any other state!
... or maybe not ...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/houston-shooting-taqueria-ranchito-texas/

You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood. Perhaps he will be the next one to be stabbed and will then call for knife control.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

[Catrike Ryder]

On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

[Catrike Ryder]

On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Roger Merriman]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Your obsession with Frank isn’t a good look, I get he’s somewhat fixed
opinionated and so on, but this isn’t making you look good far from it.

Roger Merriman

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Your obsession with Frank isn’t a good look, I get he’s somewhat fixed
opinionated and so on, but this isn’t making you look good far from it.
Roger Merriman

He originally picked a fight with me for simply stating my opinion and
preference and my recipricating doesn't look good?

For what it's worth, I've never been much concerned with how I look.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Roger Merriman]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Your obsession with Frank isn’t a good look, I get he’s somewhat fixed
opinionated and so on, but this isn’t making you look good far from it.
Roger Merriman

He originally picked a fight with me for simply stating my opinion and
preference and my recipricating doesn't look good?
For what it's worth, I've never been much concerned with how I look.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

He Started it? Really?

Roger Merriman

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Your obsession with Frank isn?t a good look, I get he?s somewhat fixed
opinionated and so on, but this isn?t making you look good far from it.
Roger Merriman

He originally picked a fight with me for simply stating my opinion and
preference and my recipricating doesn't look good?
For what it's worth, I've never been much concerned with how I look.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

He Started it? Really?
Roger Merriman

Here's the thread.

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qYtFPpL3AAAJ

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Roger Merriman]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Your obsession with Frank isn?t a good look, I get he?s somewhat fixed
opinionated and so on, but this isn?t making you look good far from it.
Roger Merriman

He originally picked a fight with me for simply stating my opinion and
preference and my recipricating doesn't look good?
For what it's worth, I've never been much concerned with how I look.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

He Started it? Really?
Roger Merriman

Here's the thread.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qYtFPpL3AAAJ
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Not practically seen anything that rude, if anything Tom is ruder!

And even if your obsession is petty, surely there are better things to do?

Roger Merriman

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Your obsession with Frank isn?t a good look, I get he?s somewhat fixed
opinionated and so on, but this isn?t making you look good far from it.
Roger Merriman

He originally picked a fight with me for simply stating my opinion and
preference and my recipricating doesn't look good?
For what it's worth, I've never been much concerned with how I look.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

He Started it? Really?
Roger Merriman

Here's the thread.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qYtFPpL3AAAJ
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Not practically seen anything that rude, if anything Tom is ruder!

All I said was: "Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car
traffic safe. I very seldom do it anymore."

Krygowski followed with: "If you lack the competence or minimal
courage and are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle
to a bike path and riding back and forth. That's too boring for me,
but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not."

Yeah, Tom is pretty rude. Krygowski doesn't run and hide from him, so
I guess I'm being effective.

Post by Roger Merriman
And even if your obsession is petty, surely there are better things to do?

Oh, yeah, I have plenty of things to do, but slapping Krygowski around
is easy and doesn't take much time.

Post by Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman

All I said was: "Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car
traffic safe. I very seldom do it anymore."

Krygowski followed with: "If you lack the competence or minimal
courage and are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle
to a bike path and riding back and forth. That's too boring for me,
but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not."

It's not as though I felt hurt by his petty insult, but it started me
to see what kind of a person he was. He has since proven that my first
observation was correct by continuing his childish insults, which he
foolishly seems to believe bother me.

Bottom line, I enjoy kicking the feet out from under ass holes.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Roger Merriman]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Your obsession with Frank isn?t a good look, I get he?s somewhat fixed
opinionated and so on, but this isn?t making you look good far from it.
Roger Merriman

He originally picked a fight with me for simply stating my opinion and
preference and my recipricating doesn't look good?
For what it's worth, I've never been much concerned with how I look.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

He Started it? Really?
Roger Merriman

Here's the thread.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qYtFPpL3AAAJ
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Not practically seen anything that rude, if anything Tom is ruder!

All I said was: "Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car
traffic safe. I very seldom do it anymore."
Krygowski followed with: "If you lack the competence or minimal
courage and are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle
to a bike path and riding back and forth. That's too boring for me,
but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not."
Yeah, Tom is pretty rude. Krygowski doesn't run and hide from him, so
I guess I'm being effective.

Post by Roger Merriman
And even if your obsession is petty, surely there are better things to do?

Oh, yeah, I have plenty of things to do, but slapping Krygowski around
is easy and doesn't take much time.

Post by Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman

All I said was: "Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car
traffic safe. I very seldom do it anymore."
Krygowski followed with: "If you lack the competence or minimal
courage and are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle
to a bike path and riding back and forth. That's too boring for me,
but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not."
It's not as though I felt hurt by his petty insult, but it started me
to see what kind of a person he was. He has since proven that my first
observation was correct by continuing his childish insults, which he
foolishly seems to believe bother me.
Bottom line, I enjoy kicking the feet out from under ass holes.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Quite frankly both quotes are Hyperbolic but you’re still being petty.

Roger Merriman

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Your obsession with Frank isn?t a good look, I get he?s somewhat fixed
opinionated and so on, but this isn?t making you look good far from it.
Roger Merriman

He originally picked a fight with me for simply stating my opinion and
preference and my recipricating doesn't look good?
For what it's worth, I've never been much concerned with how I look.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

He Started it? Really?
Roger Merriman

Here's the thread.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qYtFPpL3AAAJ
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Not practically seen anything that rude, if anything Tom is ruder!

All I said was: "Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car
traffic safe. I very seldom do it anymore."
Krygowski followed with: "If you lack the competence or minimal
courage and are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle
to a bike path and riding back and forth. That's too boring for me,
but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not."
Yeah, Tom is pretty rude. Krygowski doesn't run and hide from him, so
I guess I'm being effective.

Post by Roger Merriman
And even if your obsession is petty, surely there are better things to do?

Oh, yeah, I have plenty of things to do, but slapping Krygowski around
is easy and doesn't take much time.

Post by Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman

All I said was: "Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car
traffic safe. I very seldom do it anymore."
Krygowski followed with: "If you lack the competence or minimal
courage and are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle
to a bike path and riding back and forth. That's too boring for me,
but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not."
It's not as though I felt hurt by his petty insult, but it started me
to see what kind of a person he was. He has since proven that my first
observation was correct by continuing his childish insults, which he
foolishly seems to believe bother me.
Bottom line, I enjoy kicking the feet out from under ass holes.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Quite frankly both quotes are Hyperbolic but you’re still being petty.
Roger Merriman

No. One was an opinion and a preference, not directed to anyone in
particular. The other was intended as an insult, directed at me, in
regards to issues that have no tangible effect on Krygowski.

But hey, nobody makes you read what I post.

Nobody makes him read what I post either, but he can't stand not
knowing.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[zen cycle]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Your obsession with Frank isn?t a good look, I get he?s somewhat fixed
opinionated and so on, but this isn?t making you look good far from it.
Roger Merriman

He originally picked a fight with me for simply stating my opinion and
preference and my recipricating doesn't look good?
For what it's worth, I've never been much concerned with how I look.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

He Started it? Really?
Roger Merriman

Here's the thread.
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qYtFPpL3AAAJ
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Not practically seen anything that rude, if anything Tom is ruder!

All I said was: "Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car
traffic safe. I very seldom do it anymore."
Krygowski followed with: "If you lack the competence or minimal
courage and are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle
to a bike path and riding back and forth. That's too boring for me,
but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not."
Yeah, Tom is pretty rude. Krygowski doesn't run and hide from him, so
I guess I'm being effective.

Post by Roger Merriman
And even if your obsession is petty, surely there are better things to do?

Oh, yeah, I have plenty of things to do, but slapping Krygowski around
is easy and doesn't take much time.

Post by Roger Merriman
Roger Merriman

All I said was: "Nothing can make bicycling among truck and car
traffic safe. I very seldom do it anymore."
Krygowski followed with: "If you lack the competence or minimal
courage and are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle
to a bike path and riding back and forth. That's too boring for me,
but maybe someday I'll be in the same state. Although I hope not."
It's not as though I felt hurt by his petty insult, but it started me
to see what kind of a person he was. He has since proven that my first
observation was correct by continuing his childish insults, which he
foolishly seems to believe bother me.
Bottom line, I enjoy kicking the feet out from under ass holes.

You be sure and let us know when you (think) you've accomplished that.
So far all you've accomplished is showing that you're a thin-skinned
petty little narcissist.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by zen cycle

Post by Catrike Ryder
Bottom line, I enjoy kicking the feet out from under ass holes.

You be sure and let us know when you (think) you've accomplished that.
So far all you've accomplished is showing that you're a thin-skinned
petty little narcissist.

You forgot "obsessive." ;-)

[Catrike Ryder]

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 15:07:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by zen cycle

Post by Catrike Ryder
Bottom line, I enjoy kicking the feet out from under ass holes.

You be sure and let us know when you (think) you've accomplished that.
So far all you've accomplished is showing that you're a thin-skinned
petty little narcissist.

You forgot "obsessive." ;-)

Krygowski and Junior gossip among themselves like bratty jar high
school girls about the person they're afraid to reply to directly.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Your obsession with Frank isn’t a good look, I get he’s somewhat fixed
opinionated and so on, but this isn’t making you look good far from it.

His obsession is overpowering. He can't help but snark at almost any
post I make.

I can't imagine how miserable a person must feel if he requires internet
trolling to gain a tiny frisson of personal satisfaction.

[Catrike Ryder]

On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 13:23:51 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Your obsession with Frank isn’t a good look, I get he’s somewhat fixed
opinionated and so on, but this isn’t making you look good far from it.

His obsession is overpowering. He can't help but snark at almost any
post I make.
I can't imagine how miserable a person must feel if he requires internet
trolling to gain a tiny frisson of personal satisfaction.

<LOL> Keep whining. I enjoy watching you peek out from your little
fantasy bubble.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[zen cycle]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank never picked a fight, you whiny thin-skinned narcissist.

[John B.]

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 05:16:13 -0500, zen cycle

Post by zen cycle

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank never picked a fight, you whiny thin-skinned narcissist.

Well, Frank did call him a coward a number of times... I've worked in
places where that would get you a punch in the face :-)

[zen cycle]

Post by John B.
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 05:16:13 -0500, zen cycle

Post by zen cycle

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank never picked a fight, you whiny thin-skinned narcissist.

Well, Frank did call him a coward a number of times... I've worked in
places where that would get you a punch in the face :-)

That was well past the point where dumbass claims Frank "picked a fight".

[John B.]

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 05:59:31 -0500, zen cycle

Post by zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 05:16:13 -0500, zen cycle

Post by zen cycle

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank never picked a fight, you whiny thin-skinned narcissist.

Well, Frank did call him a coward a number of times... I've worked in
places where that would get you a punch in the face :-)

That was well past the point where dumbass claims Frank "picked a fight".

Well, as I said, I've worked in places where saying it once gets you a
fist in the mouth and I'm not sure what would happen if you repeated
it over and over?

We did have one bloke that every night before getting into bed pissed
in the corner of the bedroom. His Room Mate got sort of fed up and one
night wailed him a few good ones, slept in someone else's hooch caught
the Chopper into town and reported to me saying, "well I guess I'll
have to resign", I moved him over to another project and "forgot" to
schedule a replacement on the next helicopter :-) When the project
manager got all feisty about "Where's my man!" I told him I was having
a lot of problems locating anyone wanted to sleep in a yellow stained
bedroom :-)

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by John B.
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 05:16:13 -0500, zen cycle

Post by zen cycle

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank never picked a fight, you whiny thin-skinned narcissist.

Well, Frank did call him a coward a number of times... I've worked in
places where that would get you a punch in the face :-)

Indeed... This is where I realized he wanted to fight.

"If you lack the competence or minimal courage and
are unwilling to learn, keep trucking your pedal vehicle to a bike
path and riding back and forth."
--Krygowski
https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/mmxzneaxsdE/m/qYtFPpL3AAAJ

I resisted the urge to engage for a while, being the new guy in the
group, but it was clear he wanted a fight, so here we are. Now, he's
pretending to be a victim, but he can't escape without leaving the
group. I sure hope he doesn't do that.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by John B.
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 05:16:13 -0500, zen cycle

Post by zen cycle

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank never picked a fight, you whiny thin-skinned narcissist.

Well, Frank did call him a coward a number of times... I've worked in
places where that would get you a punch in the face :-)

I didn't use the word "coward" until Mr. Tricycle Rider went on the
attack, then went on and on about his need to carry a loaded and
chambered handgun on a quiet bike trail where young mothers walk pushing
baby carriages.

Yes, the word was not diplomatic, but it still seems accurate. He is
clearly more fearful than anyone else in this discussion group, and than
any of my many dozens of cycling friends.

If you don't like "coward," substitute the synonym you prefer.

[Catrike Ryder]

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 15:06:27 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by John B.
On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 05:16:13 -0500, zen cycle

Post by zen cycle

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank never picked a fight, you whiny thin-skinned narcissist.

Well, Frank did call him a coward a number of times... I've worked in
places where that would get you a punch in the face :-)

I didn't use the word "coward" until Mr. Tricycle Rider went on the
attack, then went on and on about his need to carry a loaded and
chambered handgun on a quiet bike trail where young mothers walk pushing
baby carriages.
Yes, the word was not diplomatic, but it still seems accurate. He is
clearly more fearful than anyone else in this discussion group, and than
any of my many dozens of cycling friends.
If you don't like "coward," substitute the synonym you prefer.

Krygowski is the coward. He's afraid to reply to me directly. He's
lived a cowardly life as a teacher, avoiding any kind of risk.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by zen cycle

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love
and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank never picked a fight, you whiny thin-skinned narcissist.

He reacted like a snowflake to my reference to a lack of competence.
He's been in high dudgeon mode ever since.

[Catrike Ryder]

On Sun, 16 Feb 2025 14:57:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by zen cycle

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 23:13:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 14 Feb 2025 11:47:04 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
You just completely destroyed Krygowski's message of peace, love
and brotherhood.

My message is different. It's that people don't have to be as timid and
fearful as they usually are. The world really isn't so scary.

...and yet you're afraid respond to me like a man.

Look up the widespread internet advice about not responding to trolls.

You picked a fight with me and now you claim I'm a troll because you
can't deal with what I say. Instead of responding to me like a man,
you talk about me to third parties like snotty little 12/13 year old
girls do.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank never picked a fight, you whiny thin-skinned narcissist.

He reacted like a snowflake to my reference to a lack of competence.
He's been in high dudgeon mode ever since.

That's from the guy who's afraid to respond to me directly without
snipping what I post. Instead he talks about me to third parties like
a bratty twelve year old girl hoping to turn people against me. That's
not working very well

--
C'est bon
Soloman