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AMuzi
2025-02-20 02:38:41 UTC
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Not only in Dickens. In Illinois case law too:


https://chi.streetsblog.org/2025/02/18/a-new-illinois-bill-would-assert-that-people-on-bikes-are-intended-user-of-every-roadway-in-the-state-where-its-legal-to-ride

With any luck, soon to be rectified.
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Roger Merriman
2025-02-20 09:19:01 UTC
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With any luck, soon to be rectified.
I’d assume knowing a touch about US Motordom that this was intended rather
than unexpected outcome, after all the aim was to have a car dependent
society!

Roger Merriman
John B.
2025-02-20 11:12:52 UTC
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With any luck, soon to be rectified.
I’d assume knowing a touch about US Motordom that this was intended rather
than unexpected outcome, after all the aim was to have a car dependent
society!
Roger Merriman
The wording says "bicycles are to be considered "intended users" of
any roadway where riding is allowed, thereby allowing them to seek
damages."
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Roger Merriman
2025-02-20 12:26:38 UTC
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With any luck, soon to be rectified.
I’d assume knowing a touch about US Motordom that this was intended rather
than unexpected outcome, after all the aim was to have a car dependent
society!
Roger Merriman
The wording says "bicycles are to be considered "intended users" of
any roadway where riding is allowed, thereby allowing them to seek
damages."
Yes that’s the intended change, vs being permitted to use but not an
intended user of the road!

Which really is a very US or car centric thing!

Note that UK which is far from perfect with cycling and has plenty of car
centric infrastructure, but the Law is much more liberal so a Mandatory
bike lane for example is for motorists ie its Mandatory for them to not
cross over the solid white line.

Cyclists can use or not use it as far as the law applies, some very unwise
police officer attempting to suggest otherwise resulted in a Court case to
prove the law in the 1980’s maybe?

Roger Merriman
John B.
2025-02-20 13:16:10 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
https://chi.streetsblog.org/2025/02/18/a-new-illinois-bill-would-assert-that-people-on-bikes-are-intended-user-of-every-roadway-in-the-state-where-its-legal-to-ride
With any luck, soon to be rectified.
I?d assume knowing a touch about US Motordom that this was intended rather
than unexpected outcome, after all the aim was to have a car dependent
society!
Roger Merriman
The wording says "bicycles are to be considered "intended users" of
any roadway where riding is allowed, thereby allowing them to seek
damages."
Yes that’s the intended change, vs being permitted to use but not an
intended user of the road!
Which really is a very US or car centric thing!
Note that UK which is far from perfect with cycling and has plenty of car
centric infrastructure, but the Law is much more liberal so a Mandatory
bike lane for example is for motorists ie its Mandatory for them to not
cross over the solid white line.
Cyclists can use or not use it as far as the law applies, some very unwise
police officer attempting to suggest otherwise resulted in a Court case to
prove the law in the 1980’s maybe?
Roger Merriman
From the words used in that single reference, in the U.S. if the road
is being repaired or maintained and you ride a bicycle into the area
being worked on and crash that is the fault of the workers, State,
County, Whatever and if there is a big hole in the road and you hit it
and crash, again it is someone else's fault.

A rather large change from I lived there ,when if a sign had been
erected, "Road Work In Progress" you were expected to have enough
sense to use care so you wouldn't fall and if you didn't then you were
at fault.
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John B.
Rolf Mantel
2025-02-20 14:53:38 UTC
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With any luck, soon to be rectified.
I?d assume knowing a touch about US Motordom that this was intended rather
than unexpected outcome, after all the aim was to have a car dependent
society!
Roger Merriman
The wording says "bicycles are to be considered "intended users" of
any roadway where riding is allowed, thereby allowing them to seek
damages."
Yes that’s the intended change, vs being permitted to use but not an
intended user of the road!
Which really is a very US or car centric thing!
Note that UK which is far from perfect with cycling and has plenty of car
centric infrastructure, but the Law is much more liberal so a Mandatory
bike lane for example is for motorists ie its Mandatory for them to not
cross over the solid white line.
Cyclists can use or not use it as far as the law applies, some very unwise
police officer attempting to suggest otherwise resulted in a Court case to
prove the law in the 1980’s maybe?
From the words used in that single reference, in the U.S. if the road
is being repaired or maintained and you ride a bicycle into the area
being worked on and crash that is the fault of the workers, State,
County, Whatever and if there is a big hole in the road and you hit it
and crash, again it is someone else's fault.
A rather large change from I lived there ,when if a sign had been
erected, "Road Work In Progress" you were expected to have enough
sense to use care so you wouldn't fall and if you didn't then you were
at fault.
I think you mis-interpret the reference which only considered situations
where no "road work in progress" signs existed.
As of today, apparently in Illinois only car drivers are allowed to
presume a road is usable unless there's a warning sign.
cyclintom
2025-02-20 18:18:02 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
https://chi.streetsblog.org/2025/02/18/a-new-illinois-bill-would-assert-that-people-on-bikes-are-intended-user-of-every-roadway-in-the-state-where-its-legal-to-ride
With any luck, soon to be rectified.
Id assume knowing a touch about US Motordom that this was intended rather
than unexpected outcome, after all the aim was to have a car dependent
society!
Roger Merriman
The wording says "bicycles are to be considered "intended users" of
any roadway where riding is allowed, thereby allowing them to seek
damages."
Yes that?s the intended change, vs being permitted to use but not an
intended user of the road!
Which really is a very US or car centric thing!
Note that UK which is far from perfect with cycling and has plenty of car
centric infrastructure, but the Law is much more liberal so a Mandatory
bike lane for example is for motorists ie its Mandatory for them to not
cross over the solid white line.
Cyclists can use or not use it as far as the law applies, some very unwise
police officer attempting to suggest otherwise resulted in a Court case to
prove the law in the 1980?s maybe?
As you can see, it is a legal argument of the intended meaning of words. Think: CARS are permitted to use the road along with horse drawn wagons and buggies. Any judge that ruled a difference between "intended and permitted" should be swept from his office in disgrace.
cyclintom
2025-02-20 18:14:25 UTC
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With any luck, soon to be rectified.
I?d assume knowing a touch about US Motordom that this was intended rather
than unexpected outcome, after all the aim was to have a car dependent
society!
No, Roger, it is an unintended outcome from legal arguments by lawyers of wording of road regulations.
Frank Krygowski
2025-02-20 16:07:42 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
https://chi.streetsblog.org/2025/02/18/a-new-illinois-bill-would-assert-
that-people-on-bikes-are-intended-user-of-every-roadway-in-the-state-
where-its-legal-to-ride
With any luck, soon to be rectified.
Here's hope. I remember much outrage at the Boub vs. Wayne decision back
then. If our national advocacy organization, LAB had any value,
something would have been done long ago. Ditto for the Cherokee Schill
case ten years ago, when she was arrested for legally riding her bike,
but the League declined to get involved. There are many other examples.
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