Fatal incident in Paris

[AMuzi]

https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

[John B.]

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
awaiting trial.

[AMuzi]

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
awaiting trial.

Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but
with huge local variance.

[Rolf Mantel]

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-
for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
awaiting trial.

Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but with huge local
variance.

Let's put things into a perspective:
In each of the legislations mentioned, it is possible to hold people in
jail until the trial date if necessary (risk of interfering in Police
investigations, risk of repeat offence, risk of absconding where bail
seems insufficient).
In each of the legislations, it is possible to release people before
trial if it is not necessary to jail them.
With overloaded courts and often several years of waiting for a trial,
it would be plain inappropriate to jail people for crimes with a maximum
sentence of a few months.

[John B.]

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:13:51 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-
for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
awaiting trial.

Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but with huge local
variance.

In each of the legislations mentioned, it is possible to hold people in
jail until the trial date if necessary (risk of interfering in Police
investigations, risk of repeat offence, risk of absconding where bail
seems insufficient).
In each of the legislations, it is possible to release people before
trial if it is not necessary to jail them.
With overloaded courts and often several years of waiting for a trial,
it would be plain inappropriate to jail people for crimes with a maximum
sentence of a few months.

In a number of posts made by Mr. Andrew the guilty party committed a
several further crimes while free awaiting trial for the first crime.

Re overloaded courts, etc. What does a company do when the demand for
their product becomes much greater then they are able to supply with
their current facilities and equipment.?

[Rolf Mantel]

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:13:51 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-
for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
awaiting trial.

Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but with huge local
variance.

In each of the legislations mentioned, it is possible to hold people in
jail until the trial date if necessary (risk of interfering in Police
investigations, risk of repeat offence, risk of absconding where bail
seems insufficient).
In each of the legislations, it is possible to release people before
trial if it is not necessary to jail them.
With overloaded courts and often several years of waiting for a trial,
it would be plain inappropriate to jail people for crimes with a maximum
sentence of a few months.

In a number of posts made by Mr. Andrew the guilty party committed a
several further crimes while free awaiting trial for the first crime.
Re overloaded courts, etc. What does a company do when the demand for
their product becomes much greater then they are able to supply with
their current facilities and equipment.?

They aim to expand facilities but only if they have enough capital to
allow them doing it (polititians usually deny the courts sufficient
money for expansion).
Short-term they aim to raise prices to supress demand and raise capital
(defendants in criminal courts do not pay to use the court services).

What would you suggest courts do in such a situation? The only way out
is to prioritize cases and to drop the least importan cases. Is a
shop-lifter who stole $100 more or less important than a husband to shot
dead his wife seeing her in the arms of somebody else?
The shop-lifter has a high change of re-offending but murder is
significantly more severe than shop-lifting.
If you dislike people getting off scott-free, when was the last time you
voted for a significant tax raise to bolster the court system?

[John B.]

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:58:37 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:13:51 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-
for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
awaiting trial.

Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but with huge local
variance.

In each of the legislations mentioned, it is possible to hold people in
jail until the trial date if necessary (risk of interfering in Police
investigations, risk of repeat offence, risk of absconding where bail
seems insufficient).
In each of the legislations, it is possible to release people before
trial if it is not necessary to jail them.
With overloaded courts and often several years of waiting for a trial,
it would be plain inappropriate to jail people for crimes with a maximum
sentence of a few months.

In a number of posts made by Mr. Andrew the guilty party committed a
several further crimes while free awaiting trial for the first crime.
Re overloaded courts, etc. What does a company do when the demand for
their product becomes much greater then they are able to supply with
their current facilities and equipment.?

They aim to expand facilities but only if they have enough capital to
allow them doing it (polititians usually deny the courts sufficient
money for expansion).
Short-term they aim to raise prices to supress demand and raise capital
(defendants in criminal courts do not pay to use the court services).
What would you suggest courts do in such a situation? The only way out
is to prioritize cases and to drop the least importan cases. Is a
shop-lifter who stole $100 more or less important than a husband to shot
dead his wife seeing her in the arms of somebody else?
The shop-lifter has a high change of re-offending but murder is
significantly more severe than shop-lifting.
If you dislike people getting off scott-free, when was the last time you
voted for a significant tax raise to bolster the court system?

Well, firstly, it isn't the count as some sort of individual entity as
courts are part of the government system whether federal, state or
lower.

As for shortage of money? Well there are all sort of things that CAN
be done. Thailand, for example has no unemployment system - you don't
work, you don't eat. And in conjunction they do not allow foreigners
to work in the country, to take work for citizens and thus no
unemployment and the state makes no unemployment payments.

[Shadow]

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:58:37 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:13:51 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-
for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
awaiting trial.

Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but with huge local
variance.

In each of the legislations mentioned, it is possible to hold people in
jail until the trial date if necessary (risk of interfering in Police
investigations, risk of repeat offence, risk of absconding where bail
seems insufficient).
In each of the legislations, it is possible to release people before
trial if it is not necessary to jail them.
With overloaded courts and often several years of waiting for a trial,
it would be plain inappropriate to jail people for crimes with a maximum
sentence of a few months.

In a number of posts made by Mr. Andrew the guilty party committed a
several further crimes while free awaiting trial for the first crime.
Re overloaded courts, etc. What does a company do when the demand for
their product becomes much greater then they are able to supply with
their current facilities and equipment.?

They aim to expand facilities but only if they have enough capital to
allow them doing it (polititians usually deny the courts sufficient
money for expansion).
Short-term they aim to raise prices to supress demand and raise capital
(defendants in criminal courts do not pay to use the court services).
What would you suggest courts do in such a situation? The only way out
is to prioritize cases and to drop the least importan cases. Is a
shop-lifter who stole $100 more or less important than a husband to shot
dead his wife seeing her in the arms of somebody else?
The shop-lifter has a high change of re-offending but murder is
significantly more severe than shop-lifting.
If you dislike people getting off scott-free, when was the last time you
voted for a significant tax raise to bolster the court system?

Well, firstly, it isn't the count as some sort of individual entity as
courts are part of the government system whether federal, state or
lower.
As for shortage of money? Well there are all sort of things that CAN
be done. Thailand, for example has no unemployment system - you don't
work, you don't eat. And in conjunction they do not allow foreigners
to work in the country, to take work for citizens and thus no
unemployment and the state makes no unemployment payments.

What if you can't work? Have multiple sclerosis, terminal
cancer , severe hereditary emphysema or something equally
debilitating. Does the State kill you off?
Also, if they don't allow foreigners to work there what
exactly do you do? Are you retired or are you a native Thai?
[]'s

[AMuzi]

Post by Shadow

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:58:37 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:13:51 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-
for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
awaiting trial.

Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but with huge local
variance.

In each of the legislations mentioned, it is possible to hold people in
jail until the trial date if necessary (risk of interfering in Police
investigations, risk of repeat offence, risk of absconding where bail
seems insufficient).
In each of the legislations, it is possible to release people before
trial if it is not necessary to jail them.
With overloaded courts and often several years of waiting for a trial,
it would be plain inappropriate to jail people for crimes with a maximum
sentence of a few months.

In a number of posts made by Mr. Andrew the guilty party committed a
several further crimes while free awaiting trial for the first crime.
Re overloaded courts, etc. What does a company do when the demand for
their product becomes much greater then they are able to supply with
their current facilities and equipment.?

They aim to expand facilities but only if they have enough capital to
allow them doing it (polititians usually deny the courts sufficient
money for expansion).
Short-term they aim to raise prices to supress demand and raise capital
(defendants in criminal courts do not pay to use the court services).
What would you suggest courts do in such a situation? The only way out
is to prioritize cases and to drop the least importan cases. Is a
shop-lifter who stole $100 more or less important than a husband to shot
dead his wife seeing her in the arms of somebody else?
The shop-lifter has a high change of re-offending but murder is
significantly more severe than shop-lifting.
If you dislike people getting off scott-free, when was the last time you
voted for a significant tax raise to bolster the court system?

Well, firstly, it isn't the count as some sort of individual entity as
courts are part of the government system whether federal, state or
lower.
As for shortage of money? Well there are all sort of things that CAN
be done. Thailand, for example has no unemployment system - you don't
work, you don't eat. And in conjunction they do not allow foreigners
to work in the country, to take work for citizens and thus no
unemployment and the state makes no unemployment payments.

What if you can't work? Have multiple sclerosis, terminal
cancer , severe hereditary emphysema or something equally
debilitating. Does the State kill you off?
Also, if they don't allow foreigners to work there what
exactly do you do? Are you retired or are you a native Thai?
[]'s

Mr Slocumb is retired, like this guy:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-13983735/retired-florida-cop-relocated-thailand-happier-cheaper.html

[Shadow]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Shadow

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:58:37 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:13:51 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-
for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
awaiting trial.

Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but with huge local
variance.

In each of the legislations mentioned, it is possible to hold people in
jail until the trial date if necessary (risk of interfering in Police
investigations, risk of repeat offence, risk of absconding where bail
seems insufficient).
In each of the legislations, it is possible to release people before
trial if it is not necessary to jail them.
With overloaded courts and often several years of waiting for a trial,
it would be plain inappropriate to jail people for crimes with a maximum
sentence of a few months.

In a number of posts made by Mr. Andrew the guilty party committed a
several further crimes while free awaiting trial for the first crime.
Re overloaded courts, etc. What does a company do when the demand for
their product becomes much greater then they are able to supply with
their current facilities and equipment.?

They aim to expand facilities but only if they have enough capital to
allow them doing it (polititians usually deny the courts sufficient
money for expansion).
Short-term they aim to raise prices to supress demand and raise capital
(defendants in criminal courts do not pay to use the court services).
What would you suggest courts do in such a situation? The only way out
is to prioritize cases and to drop the least importan cases. Is a
shop-lifter who stole $100 more or less important than a husband to shot
dead his wife seeing her in the arms of somebody else?
The shop-lifter has a high change of re-offending but murder is
significantly more severe than shop-lifting.
If you dislike people getting off scott-free, when was the last time you
voted for a significant tax raise to bolster the court system?

Well, firstly, it isn't the count as some sort of individual entity as
courts are part of the government system whether federal, state or
lower.
As for shortage of money? Well there are all sort of things that CAN
be done. Thailand, for example has no unemployment system - you don't
work, you don't eat. And in conjunction they do not allow foreigners
to work in the country, to take work for citizens and thus no
unemployment and the state makes no unemployment payments.

What if you can't work? Have multiple sclerosis, terminal
cancer , severe hereditary emphysema or something equally
debilitating. Does the State kill you off?
Also, if they don't allow foreigners to work there what
exactly do you do? Are you retired or are you a native Thai?
[]'s

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-13983735/retired-florida-cop-relocated-thailand-happier-cheaper.html

Ah, that explains it. Slocomb I mean.

Still not what the government does with people that are unable
to work.
PS I also read that although Thailand claims it has a 1%
unemployment rate, it considers people living at home in the rural
districts as "fully employed". And those are almost 50% of the
population. If they don't pay taxes and have no benefits from the
government at all, and live on a sub-minimum wage, I'd call them
"unemployed". But statistics accept anything...
[]'s

[John B.]

Post by Shadow

Post by AMuzi

Post by Shadow

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:58:37 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:13:51 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-
for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
awaiting trial.

Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but with huge local
variance.

In each of the legislations mentioned, it is possible to hold people in
jail until the trial date if necessary (risk of interfering in Police
investigations, risk of repeat offence, risk of absconding where bail
seems insufficient).
In each of the legislations, it is possible to release people before
trial if it is not necessary to jail them.
With overloaded courts and often several years of waiting for a trial,
it would be plain inappropriate to jail people for crimes with a maximum
sentence of a few months.

In a number of posts made by Mr. Andrew the guilty party committed a
several further crimes while free awaiting trial for the first crime.
Re overloaded courts, etc. What does a company do when the demand for
their product becomes much greater then they are able to supply with
their current facilities and equipment.?

They aim to expand facilities but only if they have enough capital to
allow them doing it (polititians usually deny the courts sufficient
money for expansion).
Short-term they aim to raise prices to supress demand and raise capital
(defendants in criminal courts do not pay to use the court services).
What would you suggest courts do in such a situation? The only way out
is to prioritize cases and to drop the least importan cases. Is a
shop-lifter who stole $100 more or less important than a husband to shot
dead his wife seeing her in the arms of somebody else?
The shop-lifter has a high change of re-offending but murder is
significantly more severe than shop-lifting.
If you dislike people getting off scott-free, when was the last time you
voted for a significant tax raise to bolster the court system?

Well, firstly, it isn't the count as some sort of individual entity as
courts are part of the government system whether federal, state or
lower.
As for shortage of money? Well there are all sort of things that CAN
be done. Thailand, for example has no unemployment system - you don't
work, you don't eat. And in conjunction they do not allow foreigners
to work in the country, to take work for citizens and thus no
unemployment and the state makes no unemployment payments.

What if you can't work? Have multiple sclerosis, terminal
cancer , severe hereditary emphysema or something equally
debilitating. Does the State kill you off?
Also, if they don't allow foreigners to work there what
exactly do you do? Are you retired or are you a native Thai?
[]'s

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-13983735/retired-florida-cop-relocated-thailand-happier-cheaper.html

Ah, that explains it. Slocomb I mean.
Still not what the government does with people that are unable
to work.
PS I also read that although Thailand claims it has a 1%
unemployment rate, it considers people living at home in the rural
districts as "fully employed". And those are almost 50% of the
population. If they don't pay taxes and have no benefits from the
government at all, and live on a sub-minimum wage, I'd call them
"unemployed". But statistics accept anything...
[]'s

Ah but these people living at home in a rural area are "employed",
self employed, it is termed. How else would they get something to eat?
As for minimum wage? What is that? You raise all your own food and a
bit more to sell, minimum salary isn't something that is important.
Importunate is this year's buying price at the Rice Mill.

The Florida guy recently told us what life was like for him growing up
on a farm. They grew or raised everything they needed.

[cyclintom]

Post by Shadow
Ah, that explains it. Slocomb I mean.
Still not what the government does with people that are unable
to work.
PS I also read that although Thailand claims it has a 1%
unemployment rate, it considers people living at home in the rural
districts as "fully employed". And those are almost 50% of the
population. If they don't pay taxes and have no benefits from the
government at all, and live on a sub-minimum wage, I'd call them
"unemployed". But statistics accept anything...

Well, you obviously have a working knowledge of statistics. So let's test it hopefully to the breaking point.

Somewhere you said that Norway had a 10th of the Covid-19 deaths as Sweden. Let's look into that. Norway had the overwhelmingly worst Covid-19 policies of ALL of Europe. They were not welding the doors closed as they were doing in China but not very different. They had a total lockdown. So they had a VERY STRONG reason to show that their policy was effective. And I think that being able to say that your policies prevented 90% of the deaths registered elsewhere is a pretty convincing argument.

The problem with it is that it s a total fabrication. This is demonstrated clearly by the fact that Norway had more excess deaths than Sweden per capital. Norway simply gave other causes for the excess deaths. If you put a person long term on a ventelator because they are having breathing problems they almost ALWAYS develop pneumonia as the ventelator will drive a virus into the lower lungs. Causing pneumonia.

The vaccination rates in Norway and Sweden were about the same and pretty high. And deaths from Myo and Peri-carditis were high. Studies of autopsys of people who took mRNA injections had 80%!!!!!! of them had either white fibrous blood clots or "Grape Jelly" blood cloting which heretofor was only seen in patients on statins. They have not been able so far to tell what this white fibrous clotting is, but it ONLY appears in people with mRNA GMO's.

What all of this means is that Norway did NOT have a lower rate of deaths from Covid-19, they simply put another name on the death DUE to covid-19.

Inasmuch as you seem to have at least a bit of understandoing of Statistical Analysis. I hope this makes sense to you.

[Shadow]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Shadow
Ah, that explains it. Slocomb I mean.
Still not what the government does with people that are unable
to work.
PS I also read that although Thailand claims it has a 1%
unemployment rate, it considers people living at home in the rural
districts as "fully employed". And those are almost 50% of the
population. If they don't pay taxes and have no benefits from the
government at all, and live on a sub-minimum wage, I'd call them
"unemployed". But statistics accept anything...

Well, you obviously have a working knowledge of statistics. So let's test it hopefully to the breaking point.
Somewhere you said that Norway had a 10th of the Covid-19 deaths as Sweden.

No, I never said that. I DID link to a good, solid medical
article that showed how and why Sweden failed miserably to contain the
pandemic. You probably got lost with all the pretty graphs....

<https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8807990/>

A pretty graph:

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Sweden relied on "natural" immunity**. That didn't work
anywhere on Earth,
[]'s

** until they didn't. Then they tried lockdowns, social distancing,
mandatory vaccinations etc, but only after it was too late.

Post by cyclintom
Let's look into that. Norway had the overwhelmingly worst Covid-19 policies of ALL of Europe. They were not welding the doors closed as they were doing in China but not very different. They had a total lockdown. So they had a VERY STRONG reason to show that their policy was effective. And I think that being able to say that your policies prevented 90% of the deaths registered elsewhere is a pretty convincing argument.
The problem with it is that it s a total fabrication. This is demonstrated clearly by the fact that Norway had more excess deaths than Sweden per capital. Norway simply gave other causes for the excess deaths. If you put a person long term on a ventelator because they are having breathing problems they almost ALWAYS develop pneumonia as the ventelator will drive a virus into the lower lungs. Causing pneumonia.
The vaccination rates in Norway and Sweden were about the same and pretty high. And deaths from Myo and Peri-carditis were high. Studies of autopsys of people who took mRNA injections had 80%!!!!!! of them had either white fibrous blood clots or "Grape Jelly" blood cloting which heretofor was only seen in patients on statins. They have not been able so far to tell what this white fibrous clotting is, but it ONLY appears in people with mRNA GMO's.
What all of this means is that Norway did NOT have a lower rate of deaths from Covid-19, they simply put another name on the death DUE to covid-19.
Inasmuch as you seem to have at least a bit of understandoing of Statistical Analysis. I hope this makes sense to you.

[John B.]

Post by Shadow
Ah, that explains it. Slocomb I mean.
Still not what the government does with people that are unable
to work.
PS I also read that although Thailand claims it has a 1%
unemployment rate, it considers people living at home in the rural
districts as "fully employed". And those are almost 50% of the
population. If they don't pay taxes and have no benefits from the
government at all, and live on a sub-minimum wage, I'd call them
"unemployed". But statistics accept anything...

Living at home in a rural area :-)

Well using one family that I know well, they have some 8,000 sq meters
of farm land, that's about 2.4 acres - or 1 hectare, and they raise
sufficient rice to feed their family - about 6 or 8 people - and have
some left over to sell. In addition they raise the vegetables that
they will eat and may even own a buffalo for the heavy work.
In short they are self sufficient as far as living goes and some left
over to spend.

During the "off" season, between rice planting and harvesting the
husband and wife come to "the big city" to work and are careful to
find work as casual labor - the wife is my Housekeeper - where taxes
are not collected.

OH! I just asked my Housekeeper about taxes and she assured me that
they do pay taxes on the home place - 1 year - 65 Baht, a bit less
then US$2.00.

As for government serves they, like all other Thai citizens, have
totally free medical services. My Housekeeper told me that for 8
monthly visits to the doctor and 3 days in the hospital giving birth
was totally free.

Are they "unemployed" ?

[Shadow]

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
Ah, that explains it. Slocomb I mean.
Still not what the government does with people that are unable
to work.
PS I also read that although Thailand claims it has a 1%
unemployment rate, it considers people living at home in the rural
districts as "fully employed". And those are almost 50% of the
population. If they don't pay taxes and have no benefits from the
government at all, and live on a sub-minimum wage, I'd call them
"unemployed". But statistics accept anything...

Living at home in a rural area :-)
Well using one family that I know well, they have some 8,000 sq meters
of farm land, that's about 2.4 acres - or 1 hectare, and they raise
sufficient rice to feed their family - about 6 or 8 people - and have
some left over to sell. In addition they raise the vegetables that
they will eat and may even own a buffalo for the heavy work.
In short they are self sufficient as far as living goes and some left
over to spend.
During the "off" season, between rice planting and harvesting the
husband and wife come to "the big city" to work and are careful to
find work as casual labor - the wife is my Housekeeper - where taxes
are not collected.
OH! I just asked my Housekeeper about taxes and she assured me that
they do pay taxes on the home place - 1 year - 65 Baht, a bit less
then US$2.00.
As for government serves they, like all other Thai citizens, have
totally free medical services. My Housekeeper told me that for 8
monthly visits to the doctor and 3 days in the hospital giving birth
was totally free.
Are they "unemployed" ?

No, they work and pay taxes so they are employed. There must
be a lot of rural workers that do not own the land they live on and
survive unregistered as "slave labor". Would they have the right to
free medical service?
PS In Brazil EVERYONE has free medical service, even tourists
and unlawful extraterrestrials. It's in our Constitution.
[]'s

[John B.]

Post by Shadow

Post by John B.

Post by Shadow
Ah, that explains it. Slocomb I mean.
Still not what the government does with people that are unable
to work.
PS I also read that although Thailand claims it has a 1%
unemployment rate, it considers people living at home in the rural
districts as "fully employed". And those are almost 50% of the
population. If they don't pay taxes and have no benefits from the
government at all, and live on a sub-minimum wage, I'd call them
"unemployed". But statistics accept anything...

Living at home in a rural area :-)
Well using one family that I know well, they have some 8,000 sq meters
of farm land, that's about 2.4 acres - or 1 hectare, and they raise
sufficient rice to feed their family - about 6 or 8 people - and have
some left over to sell. In addition they raise the vegetables that
they will eat and may even own a buffalo for the heavy work.
In short they are self sufficient as far as living goes and some left
over to spend.
During the "off" season, between rice planting and harvesting the
husband and wife come to "the big city" to work and are careful to
find work as casual labor - the wife is my Housekeeper - where taxes
are not collected.
OH! I just asked my Housekeeper about taxes and she assured me that
they do pay taxes on the home place - 1 year - 65 Baht, a bit less
then US$2.00.
As for government serves they, like all other Thai citizens, have
totally free medical services. My Housekeeper told me that for 8
monthly visits to the doctor and 3 days in the hospital giving birth
was totally free.
Are they "unemployed" ?

No, they work and pay taxes so they are employed. There must
be a lot of rural workers that do not own the land they live on and
survive unregistered as "slave labor". Would they have the right to
free medical service?

One thing you are missing (I think). In Thailand people still have
"families" so yes YOU may not have any property so you will likely
live with another member of your "family".

To use my Housekeeper for an example, yes she and her husband and two
kids "live in the city" while owning land "up country" on which reside
her grandfather and some other family members and they send him money
and once or twice he's been sick and they "downed tools" here and
"went home" until he was better.

All citizens of Thailand are entitled to totally free medical
service/treatment.

Post by Shadow
PS In Brazil EVERYONE has free medical service, even tourists
and unlawful extraterrestrials. It's in our Constitution.
[]'s

[cyclintom]

Post by Shadow

Post by cyclintom

Post by Shadow
Ah, that explains it. Slocomb I mean.
Still not what the government does with people that are unable
to work.
PS I also read that although Thailand claims it has a 1%
unemployment rate, it considers people living at home in the rural
districts as "fully employed". And those are almost 50% of the
population. If they don't pay taxes and have no benefits from the
government at all, and live on a sub-minimum wage, I'd call them
"unemployed". But statistics accept anything...

Well, you obviously have a working knowledge of statistics. So let's test it hopefully to the breaking point.
Somewhere you said that Norway had a 10th of the Covid-19 deaths as Sweden.

No, I never said that. I DID link to a good, solid medical
article that showed how and why Sweden failed miserably to contain the
pandemic. You probably got lost with all the pretty graphs....
<https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8807990/>
<https://cdn.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/blobs/f47b/8807990/8a5b1a53fd9c/10.1177_14034948211047137-fig1.jpg>
Sweden relied on "natural" immunity**. That didn't work
anywhere on Earth,
[]'s
** until they didn't. Then they tried lockdowns, social distancing,
mandatory vaccinations etc, but only after it was too late.

Post by cyclintom
Let's look into that. Norway had the overwhelmingly worst Covid-19 policies of ALL of Europe. They were not welding the doors closed as they were doing in China but not very different. They had a total lockdown. So they had a VERY STRONG reason to show that their policy was effective. And I think that being able to say that your policies prevented 90% of the deaths registered elsewhere is a pretty convincing argument.
The problem with it is that it s a total fabrication. This is demonstrated clearly by the fact that Norway had more excess deaths than Sweden per capital. Norway simply gave other causes for the excess deaths. If you put a person long term on a ventelator because they are having breathing problems they almost ALWAYS develop pneumonia as the ventelator will drive a virus into the lower lungs. Causing pneumonia.
The vaccination rates in Norway and Sweden were about the same and pretty high. And deaths from Myo and Peri-carditis were high. Studies of autopsys of people who took mRNA injections had 80%!!!!!! of them had either white fibrous blood clots or "Grape Jelly" blood cloting which heretofor was only seen in patients on statins. They have not been able so far to tell what this white fibrous clotting is, but it ONLY appears in people with mRNA GMO's.
What all of this means is that Norway did NOT have a lower rate of deaths from Covid-19, they simply put another name on the death DUE to covid-19.
Inasmuch as you seem to have at least a bit of understandoing of Statistical Analysis. I hope this makes sense to you.

Say, Liebermann echo, there is only ONE important thing. Sweden had LOWER excess deaths per capita than Norway and they said that it was connected with Covid-19 or the mRNA vaccines when it was.

Norway ONLY reported Covid-19 deaths when that was the ONLY cause of deaths. So death from the mRNA vaccines from Myocarditis or Pericarditis were not reported as from Covid-19 when in fact it was cardio swelling from the spike protein that came with the vaccine.

Stop handing out bullshit like its candy.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by cyclintom
Say, Liebermann echo,

I'm honored.

Post by cyclintom
Sweden had LOWER excess deaths per capita than Norway and they said that it was connected with Covid-19 or the mRNA vaccines when it was.
Norway ONLY reported Covid-19 deaths when that was the ONLY cause of deaths. So death from the mRNA vaccines from Myocarditis or Pericarditis were not reported as from Covid-19 when in fact it was cardio swelling from the spike protein that came with the vaccine.
Stop handing out bullshit like its candy.

Ummm... let's see who is really delivering bovine feces:

"Excess mortality: Deaths from all causes compared to projection"
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=SWE~NOR>

The chart shows the excess deaths from ALL causes, including your
swollen ego, in Norway and Sweden since Jan 2020. Looks like Sweden
had more excess deaths than Norway from Jan 2020 to Feb 24, 2021 and
fewer excess deaths after that. In simple terms, you're wrong
(again).

Oddly, there are no numbers for 2024. Not sure yet why. This shows
that the most recent updates for Sweden were on Aug 20, 2024:
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?time=2021-10-31..latest&facet=none&country=SWE%7ENOR#sources-and-processing>
I'll see if I can figure out why the graph is missing 1 year later.

Tom... if you don't have anything better to do, you can spend some
time learning how to produce graphs using "Our World in Data" that
demonstrates your amazing facts. Who knows what you might discover?

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
Say, Liebermann echo,

I'm honored.

Post by cyclintom
Sweden had LOWER excess deaths per capita than Norway and they said that it was connected with Covid-19 or the mRNA vaccines when it was.
Norway ONLY reported Covid-19 deaths when that was the ONLY cause of deaths. So death from the mRNA vaccines from Myocarditis or Pericarditis were not reported as from Covid-19 when in fact it was cardio swelling from the spike protein that came with the vaccine.
Stop handing out bullshit like its candy.

"Excess mortality: Deaths from all causes compared to projection"
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=SWE~NOR>
The chart shows the excess deaths from ALL causes, including your
swollen ego, in Norway and Sweden since Jan 2020. Looks like Sweden
had more excess deaths than Norway from Jan 2020 to Feb 24, 2021 and
fewer excess deaths after that. In simple terms, you're wrong
(again).
Oddly, there are no numbers for 2024. Not sure yet why. This shows
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?time=2021-10-31..latest&facet=none&country=SWE%7ENOR#sources-and-processing>
I'll see if I can figure out why the graph is missing 1 year later.
Tom... if you don't have anything better to do, you can spend some
time learning how to produce graphs using "Our World in Data" that
demonstrates your amazing facts. Who knows what you might discover?

Jeff, you need to learn the rules here - at least, the rules according
to Tom. Tom does not need to provide any data, any links to data or any
other references. What Tom posts is by definition correct.

If others post references, links and data indicating Tom is wrong, then
obviously that information is itself wrong.

It's the "fake news" philosophy carried to the extreme.

[Roger Merriman]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
Say, Liebermann echo,

I'm honored.

Post by cyclintom
Sweden had LOWER excess deaths per capita than Norway and they said
that it was connected with Covid-19 or the mRNA vaccines when it was.
Norway ONLY reported Covid-19 deaths when that was the ONLY cause of
deaths. So death from the mRNA vaccines from Myocarditis or
Pericarditis were not reported as from Covid-19 when in fact it was
cardio swelling from the spike protein that came with the vaccine.
Stop handing out bullshit like its candy.

"Excess mortality: Deaths from all causes compared to projection"
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=SWE~NOR>
The chart shows the excess deaths from ALL causes, including your
swollen ego, in Norway and Sweden since Jan 2020. Looks like Sweden
had more excess deaths than Norway from Jan 2020 to Feb 24, 2021 and
fewer excess deaths after that. In simple terms, you're wrong
(again).
Oddly, there are no numbers for 2024. Not sure yet why. This shows
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?time=2021-10-31..latest&facet=none&country=SWE%7ENOR#sources-and-processing>
I'll see if I can figure out why the graph is missing 1 year later.
Tom... if you don't have anything better to do, you can spend some
time learning how to produce graphs using "Our World in Data" that
demonstrates your amazing facts. Who knows what you might discover?

Jeff, you need to learn the rules here - at least, the rules according
to Tom. Tom does not need to provide any data, any links to data or any
other references. What Tom posts is by definition correct.
If others post references, links and data indicating Tom is wrong, then
obviously that information is itself wrong.
It's the "fake news" philosophy carried to the extreme.

For some reason “Space Karen” is taking an interest in Uk and Tommy
Roberson who is very definitely far right, as ever Musk is at best
ill-formed.

Lot of this comes back to the riots in the summer, which seems to have
thrown such folks in that they expect to make false claims and to have
public support, instead public turnout to repair Mosques and generally
showed their disgust in them!

Ie the far right political bubble had wake up call when it confronted with
reality and for some folks who fell for it jail time.

Roger Merriman

[zen cycle]

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
Say, Liebermann echo,

I'm honored.

Post by cyclintom
Sweden had LOWER excess deaths per capita than Norway and they said
that it was connected with Covid-19 or the mRNA vaccines when it was.
Norway ONLY reported Covid-19 deaths when that was the ONLY cause of
deaths. So death from the mRNA vaccines from Myocarditis or
Pericarditis were not reported as from Covid-19 when in fact it was
cardio swelling from the spike protein that came with the vaccine.
Stop handing out bullshit like its candy.

"Excess mortality: Deaths from all causes compared to projection"
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=SWE~NOR>
The chart shows the excess deaths from ALL causes, including your
swollen ego, in Norway and Sweden since Jan 2020. Looks like Sweden
had more excess deaths than Norway from Jan 2020 to Feb 24, 2021 and
fewer excess deaths after that. In simple terms, you're wrong
(again).
Oddly, there are no numbers for 2024. Not sure yet why. This shows
<https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?time=2021-10-31..latest&facet=none&country=SWE%7ENOR#sources-and-processing>
I'll see if I can figure out why the graph is missing 1 year later.
Tom... if you don't have anything better to do, you can spend some
time learning how to produce graphs using "Our World in Data" that
demonstrates your amazing facts. Who knows what you might discover?

Jeff, you need to learn the rules here - at least, the rules according
to Tom. Tom does not need to provide any data, any links to data or any
other references. What Tom posts is by definition correct.
If others post references, links and data indicating Tom is wrong, then
obviously that information is itself wrong.
It's the "fake news" philosophy carried to the extreme.

For some reason “Space Karen” is taking an interest in Uk and Tommy
Roberson who is very definitely far right, as ever Musk is at best
ill-formed.
Lot of this comes back to the riots in the summer, which seems to have
thrown such folks in that they expect to make false claims and to have
public support, instead public turnout to repair Mosques and generally
showed their disgust in them!
Ie the far right political bubble had wake up call when it confronted with
reality and for some folks who fell for it jail time.
Roger Merriman

"space karen" lol...

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/496/630/814

[John B.]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Shadow

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:58:37 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:13:51 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-
for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
awaiting trial.

Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but with huge local
variance.

In each of the legislations mentioned, it is possible to hold people in
jail until the trial date if necessary (risk of interfering in Police
investigations, risk of repeat offence, risk of absconding where bail
seems insufficient).
In each of the legislations, it is possible to release people before
trial if it is not necessary to jail them.
With overloaded courts and often several years of waiting for a trial,
it would be plain inappropriate to jail people for crimes with a maximum
sentence of a few months.

In a number of posts made by Mr. Andrew the guilty party committed a
several further crimes while free awaiting trial for the first crime.
Re overloaded courts, etc. What does a company do when the demand for
their product becomes much greater then they are able to supply with
their current facilities and equipment.?

They aim to expand facilities but only if they have enough capital to
allow them doing it (polititians usually deny the courts sufficient
money for expansion).
Short-term they aim to raise prices to supress demand and raise capital
(defendants in criminal courts do not pay to use the court services).
What would you suggest courts do in such a situation? The only way out
is to prioritize cases and to drop the least importan cases. Is a
shop-lifter who stole $100 more or less important than a husband to shot
dead his wife seeing her in the arms of somebody else?
The shop-lifter has a high change of re-offending but murder is
significantly more severe than shop-lifting.
If you dislike people getting off scott-free, when was the last time you
voted for a significant tax raise to bolster the court system?

Well, firstly, it isn't the count as some sort of individual entity as
courts are part of the government system whether federal, state or
lower.
As for shortage of money? Well there are all sort of things that CAN
be done. Thailand, for example has no unemployment system - you don't
work, you don't eat. And in conjunction they do not allow foreigners
to work in the country, to take work for citizens and thus no
unemployment and the state makes no unemployment payments.

What if you can't work? Have multiple sclerosis, terminal
cancer , severe hereditary emphysema or something equally
debilitating. Does the State kill you off?
Also, if they don't allow foreigners to work there what
exactly do you do? Are you retired or are you a native Thai?
[]'s

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/consumer/article-13983735/retired-florida-cop-relocated-thailand-happier-cheaper.html

Well (:-) not exactly.
I was married to a Thai so things are a bit different. We've owned our
own home for most of the time I've lived here, Foreigners can't own
land (to build a house on). I speak enough Thai to get long ( with
much arm waving and pointing), I eat mostly Thai food, etc.

The guy's budget amounts to 70,000 Thai Baht a month which is a lot of
money in local terms (:-), at least a lot more than we would spend.

[John B.]

Post by Shadow

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 13:58:37 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.
On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 12:13:51 +0200, Rolf Mantel

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by John B.

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-charged-with-murder-
for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted, criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes while
awaiting trial.

Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but with huge local
variance.

In each of the legislations mentioned, it is possible to hold people in
jail until the trial date if necessary (risk of interfering in Police
investigations, risk of repeat offence, risk of absconding where bail
seems insufficient).
In each of the legislations, it is possible to release people before
trial if it is not necessary to jail them.
With overloaded courts and often several years of waiting for a trial,
it would be plain inappropriate to jail people for crimes with a maximum
sentence of a few months.

In a number of posts made by Mr. Andrew the guilty party committed a
several further crimes while free awaiting trial for the first crime.
Re overloaded courts, etc. What does a company do when the demand for
their product becomes much greater then they are able to supply with
their current facilities and equipment.?

They aim to expand facilities but only if they have enough capital to
allow them doing it (polititians usually deny the courts sufficient
money for expansion).
Short-term they aim to raise prices to supress demand and raise capital
(defendants in criminal courts do not pay to use the court services).
What would you suggest courts do in such a situation? The only way out
is to prioritize cases and to drop the least importan cases. Is a
shop-lifter who stole $100 more or less important than a husband to shot
dead his wife seeing her in the arms of somebody else?
The shop-lifter has a high change of re-offending but murder is
significantly more severe than shop-lifting.
If you dislike people getting off scott-free, when was the last time you
voted for a significant tax raise to bolster the court system?

Well, firstly, it isn't the count as some sort of individual entity as
courts are part of the government system whether federal, state or
lower.
As for shortage of money? Well there are all sort of things that CAN
be done. Thailand, for example has no unemployment system - you don't
work, you don't eat. And in conjunction they do not allow foreigners
to work in the country, to take work for citizens and thus no
unemployment and the state makes no unemployment payments.

What if you can't work? Have multiple sclerosis, terminal
cancer , severe hereditary emphysema or something equally
debilitating. Does the State kill you off?

Don't be silly. Just as in the U.S. years ago your family takes care
of you. Hardly a big problem a medical care is totally free to
citizen.

Post by Shadow
Also, if they don't allow foreigners to work there what
exactly do you do? Are you retired or are you a native Thai?
[]'s

Technically foreigners can work in Thailand but it is a complicated
process to get a work permits -proof that a Thai isn't available to do
the job, etc. For example, when the off shore oil fields were first
built a company could hire foreigners to construct and manage them.

I've been retired for quite a while nor but I did work in Thailand for
a short time for a company maintained the air bases used by the U./S.
during the Vietnam war. When the bases started shutting down I went to
Indonesia and worked in the oil construction business.

[AMuzi]

Post by Rolf Mantel

Post by AMuzi

On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 09:57:17 -0500, AMuzi

Post by AMuzi
https://www.rfi.fr/en/france/20241019-suv-driver-
charged-with-murder- for-running-over-cyclist-in-paris

Note the difference. In France the perpetrator is held in
jail until
his trial while, as Mr. Muzi has previously posted,
criminals in the
U.S. are allowed to run free and commit even more crimes
while
awaiting trial.

Well, yes that does happen with disturbing frequency but
with huge local variance.

In each of the legislations mentioned, it is possible to
hold people in jail until the trial date if necessary (risk
of interfering in Police investigations, risk of repeat
offence, risk of absconding where bail seems insufficient).
In each of the legislations, it is possible to release
people before trial if it is not necessary to jail them.
With overloaded courts and often several years of waiting
for a trial, it would be plain inappropriate to jail people
for crimes with a maximum sentence of a few months.

You are correct in theory.

That said, local variance is huge. There is a current trend
in some jurisdictions to 'no one gets jailed', which hasn't
worked out so well for crime victims.

https://cwbchicago.com/2024/10/man-charged-with-shooting-at-occupied-car-while-on-electronic-monitoring-for-machine-gun-possession.html

https://cwbchicago.com/2024/09/chicago-man-shot-at-his-fiance-while-on-electronic-monitoring-prosecutors-say.html

https://cwbchicago.com/2024/08/repeat-felon-murdered-his-girlfriend-while-on-electronic-monitoring-for-a-felony-gun-case-prosecutors-say.html

https://cwbchicago.com/2024/08/man-carjacked-driver-while-wearing-ankle-monitor-for-two-felony-gun-cases-prosecutors.html