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Hug a tree
2025-01-09 02:58:07 UTC
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A new fire has broken out in Hollywood Hills near LA.

Thanks to Democrats and non-tax paying or revenue generating bicyclists
who managed to steal lanes from public streets, occupants of dwellings in
the area cannot evacuate because there simply isn't enough street width to
carry the traffic fast enough.

It's lined up for several miles and people could die.

Thank a Democrat and the two-wheeled law-breaking parasites who put human
lives in danger.

The only thing in Hollywood's favor is that they have a reservoir.

New fire breaks out in Hollywood Hills
A new fire has broken out in the famed Runyon Canyon of Hollywood Hills.
It is being referred to as the Sunset Fire.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/la-fires-live-updates-2nd-fire-
escalates-quickly/?id=117448186&entryId=117488094
zen cycle
2025-01-09 12:03:48 UTC
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Post by Hug a tree
A new fire has broken out in Hollywood Hills near LA.
Thanks to Democrats and non-tax paying or revenue generating bicyclists
who managed to steal lanes from public streets, occupants of dwellings in
the area cannot evacuate because there simply isn't enough street width to
carry the traffic fast enough.
It's lined up for several miles and people could die.
Thank a Democrat and the two-wheeled law-breaking parasites who put human
lives in danger.
The only thing in Hollywood's favor is that they have a reservoir.
New fire breaks out in Hollywood Hills
A new fire has broken out in the famed Runyon Canyon of Hollywood Hills.
It is being referred to as the Sunset Fire.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/la-fires-live-updates-2nd-fire-
escalates-quickly/?id=117448186&entryId=117488094
<Poe>
The fires were caused by jewish space lasers controlled by the black
pope!!! They are the same ones that formulated graphene particles in the
covid vaccines to allow mind control through the 5G network!!!

https://indepthnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/COVID-Report-from-Rep.-Weyler-3.pdf
</Poe>
Shadow
2025-01-09 19:04:05 UTC
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 07:03:48 -0500, zen cycle
Post by zen cycle
Post by Hug a tree
A new fire has broken out in Hollywood Hills near LA.
Thanks to Democrats and non-tax paying or revenue generating bicyclists
who managed to steal lanes from public streets, occupants of dwellings in
the area cannot evacuate because there simply isn't enough street width to
carry the traffic fast enough.
It's lined up for several miles and people could die.
Thank a Democrat and the two-wheeled law-breaking parasites who put human
lives in danger.
The only thing in Hollywood's favor is that they have a reservoir.
New fire breaks out in Hollywood Hills
A new fire has broken out in the famed Runyon Canyon of Hollywood Hills.
It is being referred to as the Sunset Fire.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/la-fires-live-updates-2nd-fire-
escalates-quickly/?id=117448186&entryId=117488094
<Poe>
The fires were caused by jewish space lasers controlled by the black
pope!!! They are the same ones that formulated graphene particles in the
covid vaccines to allow mind control through the 5G network!!!
https://indepthnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/COVID-Report-from-Rep.-Weyler-3.pdf
</Poe>
LOL

The fifth horseman of the apocalypse is #FAKE_NEWS.
Possibly even more powerful than the other 4, but he only
targets the weak-of-mind and the unhealthily greedy (Like Musk and the
Meta guy), so we're safe.
[]'s
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cyclintom
2025-01-11 22:07:38 UTC
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Post by Shadow
LOL
The fifth horseman of the apocalypse is #FAKE_NEWS.
Possibly even more powerful than the other 4, but he only
targets the weak-of-mind and the unhealthily greedy (Like Musk and the
Meta guy), so we're safe.
Why don't you tell us what you actually know about na man who started with nothing and is now one of the most powerfull men on this planet without ever losing nhis morals? Does that make you jealous since your morals, long ago were cast aside?
Frank Krygowski
2025-01-12 00:53:52 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
LOL
The fifth horseman of the apocalypse is #FAKE_NEWS.
Possibly even more powerful than the other 4, but he only
targets the weak-of-mind and the unhealthily greedy (Like Musk and the
Meta guy), so we're safe.
Why don't you tell us what you actually know about na man who started with nothing and is now one of the most powerfull men on this planet without ever losing nhis morals? Does that make you jealous since your morals, long ago were cast aside?
Wait - whose morals are you praising?
--
- Frank Krygowski
cyclintom
2025-01-17 21:14:28 UTC
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Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
LOL
The fifth horseman of the apocalypse is #FAKE_NEWS.
Possibly even more powerful than the other 4, but he only
targets the weak-of-mind and the unhealthily greedy (Like Musk and the
Meta guy), so we're safe.
Why don't you tell us what you actually know about na man who started with nothing and is now one of the most powerfull men on this planet without ever losing nhis morals? Does that make you jealous since your morals, long ago were cast aside?
Wait - whose morals are you praising?
Why your favorite - George Soros of course.
Shadow
2025-01-17 21:40:17 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
LOL
The fifth horseman of the apocalypse is #FAKE_NEWS.
Possibly even more powerful than the other 4, but he only
targets the weak-of-mind and the unhealthily greedy (Like Musk and the
Meta guy), so we're safe.
Why don't you tell us what you actually know about na man who started with nothing and is now one of the most powerfull men on this planet without ever losing nhis morals? Does that make you jealous since your morals, long ago were cast aside?
Wait - whose morals are you praising?
Why your favorite - George Soros of course.
George Soros is as bad as Bezos, Musk, Zukerberg etc. They
have no morals at all.
Only a fool thinks a billionaire is a socialist that wants to
share his fortune with the needy.
If Soros dies and leaves his entire fortune to say, US
Government Cancer Research I'll admit I was wrong.
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
cyclintom
2025-01-17 22:57:28 UTC
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Post by Shadow
George Soros is as bad as Bezos, Musk, Zukerberg etc. They
have no morals at all.
Only a fool thinks a billionaire is a socialist that wants to
share his fortune with the needy.
If Soros dies and leaves his entire fortune to say, US
Government Cancer Research I'll admit I was wrong.
So you don't know anything about people and define good from evil by the amount of money they give away. Holding out your hand and being ignored?
Shadow
2025-01-18 00:43:48 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
George Soros is as bad as Bezos, Musk, Zukerberg etc. They
have no morals at all.
Only a fool thinks a billionaire is a socialist that wants to
share his fortune with the needy.
If Soros dies and leaves his entire fortune to say, US
Government Cancer Research I'll admit I was wrong.
So you don't know anything about people and define good from evil by the amount of money they give away. Holding out your hand and being ignored?
I really don't need to worry about money, unless the US
decides to confiscate our savings again (as it did in 1989).
You were saying something about Soros, Musk, Bezos etc but I
think you had a blackout. Can you remember what is was?
TY
[]'s
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Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
Shadow
2025-01-12 13:23:48 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
LOL
The fifth horseman of the apocalypse is #FAKE_NEWS.
Possibly even more powerful than the other 4, but he only
targets the weak-of-mind and the unhealthily greedy (Like Musk and the
Meta guy), so we're safe.
Why don't you tell us what you actually know about na man who started
with nothing and is now one of the most powerfull men on this planet without
ever losing nhis morals? Does that make you jealous since your morals,
long ago were cast aside?
Who on Earth are you talking about?
Jeeesus? He's only "powerful" to the weak of mind.

Not Musk** (inherited his family's fortune which was made with
slave labour in SA, then multiplied it with insider trading and other
crimes), or Zukerberg "they trust me, the stupid fsks". Morals? LOL.
Neither would know what "morals" meant even if it bit them in the ass.
So .... who?
[]'s

** PS Zukerberg and Musk have announced that they welcome the fifth
horseman, as long as they help the anti-christs (ask someone with
mental issues that believes in the bibel. The prophecies are all
there....)
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
cyclintom
2025-01-17 21:13:30 UTC
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Post by Shadow
Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
LOL
The fifth horseman of the apocalypse is #FAKE_NEWS.
Possibly even more powerful than the other 4, but he only
targets the weak-of-mind and the unhealthily greedy (Like Musk and the
Meta guy), so we're safe.
Why don't you tell us what you actually know about na man who started
with nothing and is now one of the most powerfull men on this planet without
ever losing nhis morals? Does that make you jealous since your morals,
long ago were cast aside?
Who on Earth are you talking about?
Jeeesus? He's only "powerful" to the weak of mind.
Not Musk** (inherited his family's fortune which was made with
slave labour in SA, then multiplied it with insider trading and other
crimes), or Zukerberg "they trust me, the stupid fsks". Morals? LOL.
Neither would know what "morals" meant even if it bit them in the ass.
So .... who?
[]'s
** PS Zukerberg and Musk have announced that they welcome the fifth
horseman, as long as they help the anti-christs (ask someone with
mental issues that believes in the bibel. The prophecies are all
there....)
So, you don't even know what "insider trading" is. I should have known.
Shadow
2025-01-17 21:35:54 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
LOL
The fifth horseman of the apocalypse is #FAKE_NEWS.
Possibly even more powerful than the other 4, but he only
targets the weak-of-mind and the unhealthily greedy (Like Musk and the
Meta guy), so we're safe.
Why don't you tell us what you actually know about na man who started
with nothing and is now one of the most powerfull men on this planet without
ever losing nhis morals? Does that make you jealous since your morals,
long ago were cast aside?
Who on Earth are you talking about?
Jeeesus? He's only "powerful" to the weak of mind.
Not Musk** (inherited his family's fortune which was made with
slave labour in SA, then multiplied it with insider trading and other
crimes), or Zukerberg "they trust me, the stupid fsks". Morals? LOL.
Neither would know what "morals" meant even if it bit them in the ass.
So .... who?
[]'s
** PS Zukerberg and Musk have announced that they welcome the fifth
horseman, as long as they help the anti-christs (ask someone with
mental issues that believes in the bibel. The prophecies are all
there....)
So, you don't even know what "insider trading" is. I should have known.
Nice, saves you looking it up. Insider trading is using
knowledge you have(due to contacts, bribes etc) that the general
public does not have access to, to manipulate the stock market. Buy
cheap and sell high.
To produce "facts" notably on social media but also in
newspapers etc that make shares crash/soar and make money with that is
even more perverse. It's a felony.
All judges have their price though. As Musk is fond of
reminding the people he conned.

My Google is broken

Try searching for this "musk insider trading felony"
HTH
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
AMuzi
2025-01-17 22:22:00 UTC
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Post by Shadow
Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
LOL
The fifth horseman of the apocalypse is #FAKE_NEWS.
Possibly even more powerful than the other 4, but he only
targets the weak-of-mind and the unhealthily greedy (Like Musk and the
Meta guy), so we're safe.
Why don't you tell us what you actually know about na man who started
with nothing and is now one of the most powerfull men on this planet without
ever losing nhis morals? Does that make you jealous since your morals,
long ago were cast aside?
Who on Earth are you talking about?
Jeeesus? He's only "powerful" to the weak of mind.
Not Musk** (inherited his family's fortune which was made with
slave labour in SA, then multiplied it with insider trading and other
crimes), or Zukerberg "they trust me, the stupid fsks". Morals? LOL.
Neither would know what "morals" meant even if it bit them in the ass.
So .... who?
[]'s
** PS Zukerberg and Musk have announced that they welcome the fifth
horseman, as long as they help the anti-christs (ask someone with
mental issues that believes in the bibel. The prophecies are all
there....)
So, you don't even know what "insider trading" is. I should have known.
Nice, saves you looking it up. Insider trading is using
knowledge you have(due to contacts, bribes etc) that the general
public does not have access to, to manipulate the stock market. Buy
cheap and sell high.
To produce "facts" notably on social media but also in
newspapers etc that make shares crash/soar and make money with that is
even more perverse. It's a felony.
All judges have their price though. As Musk is fond of
reminding the people he conned.
My Google is broken
Try searching for this "musk insider trading felony"
HTH
[]'s
Insider trading is criminalized only for people outside
public office.

https://www.econotimes.com/Nancy-Pelosis-264-Million-Milestone-Sparks-Outrage-Insider-Trading-or-Savvy-Investing-1695163

She's notable and flagrant but it's widespread in both parties:

https://money.usnews.com/investing/stock-market-news/articles/does-congress-have-an-insider-trading-problem
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
cyclintom
2025-01-17 22:53:50 UTC
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Post by Shadow
Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
LOL
The fifth horseman of the apocalypse is #FAKE_NEWS.
Possibly even more powerful than the other 4, but he only
targets the weak-of-mind and the unhealthily greedy (Like Musk and the
Meta guy), so we're safe.
Why don't you tell us what you actually know about na man who started
with nothing and is now one of the most powerfull men on this planet without
ever losing nhis morals? Does that make you jealous since your morals,
long ago were cast aside?
Who on Earth are you talking about?
Jeeesus? He's only "powerful" to the weak of mind.
Not Musk** (inherited his family's fortune which was made with
slave labour in SA, then multiplied it with insider trading and other
crimes), or Zukerberg "they trust me, the stupid fsks". Morals? LOL.
Neither would know what "morals" meant even if it bit them in the ass.
So .... who?
[]'s
** PS Zukerberg and Musk have announced that they welcome the fifth
horseman, as long as they help the anti-christs (ask someone with
mental issues that believes in the bibel. The prophecies are all
there....)
So, you don't even know what "insider trading" is. I should have known.
Nice, saves you looking it up. Insider trading is using
knowledge you have(due to contacts, bribes etc) that the general
public does not have access to, to manipulate the stock market. Buy
cheap and sell high.
To produce "facts" notably on social media but also in
newspapers etc that make shares crash/soar and make money with that is
even more perverse. It's a felony.
All judges have their price though. As Musk is fond of
reminding the people he conned.
My Google is broken
Too bad you don't know any real connection between Elon Musk and insider trading. He has so much money that he has NO NEED for insider trading - he simply buys controlling shares in companies that are successful or occassionally starts companies to impliment ideas he has. That you don't know this and think that super-rich people need to use insider trading tactics like the Democrats, says a great deal about you.

Plus Musk turns all of his trading over to investment counselors in any case where there might possibly be a conflict of interest. They ONLY use publically released information to make trades. Musk announced months ahead of time that he was thinking of buying Twitter so that everyone could get in on it. The same with Space X. Long ago he turned all decision making at Tesla to a CEO.

Your communist beliefs seem to be getting you nowhere.
Shadow
2025-01-18 00:40:18 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
Post by cyclintom
Post by Shadow
LOL
The fifth horseman of the apocalypse is #FAKE_NEWS.
Possibly even more powerful than the other 4, but he only
targets the weak-of-mind and the unhealthily greedy (Like Musk and the
Meta guy), so we're safe.
Why don't you tell us what you actually know about na man who started
with nothing and is now one of the most powerfull men on this planet without
ever losing nhis morals? Does that make you jealous since your morals,
long ago were cast aside?
Who on Earth are you talking about?
Jeeesus? He's only "powerful" to the weak of mind.
Not Musk** (inherited his family's fortune which was made with
slave labour in SA, then multiplied it with insider trading and other
crimes), or Zukerberg "they trust me, the stupid fsks". Morals? LOL.
Neither would know what "morals" meant even if it bit them in the ass.
So .... who?
[]'s
** PS Zukerberg and Musk have announced that they welcome the fifth
horseman, as long as they help the anti-christs (ask someone with
mental issues that believes in the bibel. The prophecies are all
there....)
So, you don't even know what "insider trading" is. I should have known.
Nice, saves you looking it up. Insider trading is using
knowledge you have(due to contacts, bribes etc) that the general
public does not have access to, to manipulate the stock market. Buy
cheap and sell high.
To produce "facts" notably on social media but also in
newspapers etc that make shares crash/soar and make money with that is
even more perverse. It's a felony.
All judges have their price though. As Musk is fond of
reminding the people he conned.
My Google is broken
Too bad you don't know any real connection between Elon Musk and insider trading.
I told you to Google it. Even gave you the keywords.
Maybe "Google isn't working for you" too....
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
Jeff Liebermann
2025-01-09 20:00:58 UTC
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 07:03:48 -0500, zen cycle
Post by zen cycle
Post by Hug a tree
The only thing in Hollywood's favor is that they have a reservoir.
The Hollywood Reservoir hold much water because it's probably unsafe.
It's been half full for the past 94 years:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Reservoir#Geography>
"The reservoir has a capacity of 7,900 acre-feet..."
"In 1931, the LADWP made the decision to permanently keep the
Hollywood Reservoir lowered, and keep it to no more than 4,000
acre-feet (4,900,000 m3). The reservoir now is usually maintained at
about 2,800 acre-feet (3,500,000 m3)."
Post by zen cycle
The fires were caused by jewish space lasers controlled by the black
pope!!! They are the same ones that formulated graphene particles in the
covid vaccines to allow mind control through the 5G network!!!
https://indepthnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/COVID-Report-from-Rep.-Weyler-3.pdf
Not Jewish. The space lasers were intended to be used by PG&E to
clear room for the high speed rail project. I read it on the internet
so it must be true:

"Marjorie Taylor Greene Blamed Wildfires on Secret Jewish Space Laser"
<https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html>
"Forests don’t just catch fire, you know. Rather, the blazes had been
started by PG&E, in conjunction with the Rothschilds, using a space
laser, in order to clear room for a high-speed rail project."
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
AMuzi
2025-01-09 20:34:36 UTC
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Post by Shadow
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 07:03:48 -0500, zen cycle
Post by zen cycle
Post by Hug a tree
The only thing in Hollywood's favor is that they have a reservoir.
The Hollywood Reservoir hold much water because it's probably unsafe.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Reservoir#Geography>
"The reservoir has a capacity of 7,900 acre-feet..."
"In 1931, the LADWP made the decision to permanently keep the
Hollywood Reservoir lowered, and keep it to no more than 4,000
acre-feet (4,900,000 m3). The reservoir now is usually maintained at
about 2,800 acre-feet (3,500,000 m3)."
Post by zen cycle
The fires were caused by jewish space lasers controlled by the black
pope!!! They are the same ones that formulated graphene particles in the
covid vaccines to allow mind control through the 5G network!!!
https://indepthnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/COVID-Report-from-Rep.-Weyler-3.pdf
Not Jewish. The space lasers were intended to be used by PG&E to
clear room for the high speed rail project. I read it on the internet
"Marjorie Taylor Greene Blamed Wildfires on Secret Jewish Space Laser"
<https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html>
"Forests don’t just catch fire, you know. Rather, the blazes had been
started by PG&E, in conjunction with the Rothschilds, using a space
laser, in order to clear room for a high-speed rail project."
That can't be true.
Nothing on this earth will speed California's high speed
rail project.

Seventeen years on, the first track is being laid. The $33
billion system is now estimated at $135 billion (the smart
money would bet that it goes much higher).

There's still no plan to actually extend it into SF or into LA.

It's often said that cancer is like poverty in that more
people live off them than die from them. Similarly, this
project may actually be an example of perpetual life, albeit
in a zombie state of promising completion "soon, but not
this year".

Sympathetic report:

https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/state/first-tracks-laid-in-california-high-speed-rail-project/article_d2533dff-6731-5802-b394-b501c95c0892.html

Critical report:

https://www.hoover.org/research/californias-high-speed-rail-was-fantasy-its-inception
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Jeff Liebermann
2025-01-10 02:05:24 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 07:03:48 -0500, zen cycle
Post by zen cycle
Post by Hug a tree
The only thing in Hollywood's favor is that they have a reservoir.
The Hollywood Reservoir hold much water because it's probably unsafe.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Reservoir#Geography>
"The reservoir has a capacity of 7,900 acre-feet..."
"In 1931, the LADWP made the decision to permanently keep the
Hollywood Reservoir lowered, and keep it to no more than 4,000
acre-feet (4,900,000 m3). The reservoir now is usually maintained at
about 2,800 acre-feet (3,500,000 m3)."
Post by zen cycle
The fires were caused by jewish space lasers controlled by the black
pope!!! They are the same ones that formulated graphene particles in the
covid vaccines to allow mind control through the 5G network!!!
https://indepthnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/COVID-Report-from-Rep.-Weyler-3.pdf
Not Jewish. The space lasers were intended to be used by PG&E to
clear room for the high speed rail project. I read it on the internet
"Marjorie Taylor Greene Blamed Wildfires on Secret Jewish Space Laser"
<https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html>
"Forests don’t just catch fire, you know. Rather, the blazes had been
started by PG&E, in conjunction with the Rothschilds, using a space
laser, in order to clear room for a high-speed rail project."
That can't be true.
I read it on the internet so it must be true.
Post by AMuzi
Nothing on this earth will speed California's high speed
rail project.
Seventeen years on, the first track is being laid. The $33
billion system is now estimated at $135 billion (the smart
money would bet that it goes much higher).
There's still no plan to actually extend it into SF or into LA.
Very true. However, the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
better on controlling planning, construction and maintenance costs:

"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<Loading Image...>

I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
and money are being used to fund endless litigation:
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>

I'll just wait for VTOL aircraft, personal helicopter commuting, jet
packs, inflatable automobiles for easy parking, rocket mail,
self-balancing Segway scooters, vacuum trains, maglev trains, cheap
energy storage, and other science fiction dreams. Real-soon-now.
Post by AMuzi
It's often said that cancer is like poverty in that more
people live off them than die from them. Similarly, this
project may actually be an example of perpetual life, albeit
in a zombie state of promising completion "soon, but not
this year".
https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/state/first-tracks-laid-in-california-high-speed-rail-project/article_d2533dff-6731-5802-b394-b501c95c0892.html
https://www.hoover.org/research/californias-high-speed-rail-was-fantasy-its-inception
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
AMuzi
2025-01-10 02:23:23 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 07:03:48 -0500, zen cycle
Post by zen cycle
Post by Hug a tree
The only thing in Hollywood's favor is that they have a reservoir.
The Hollywood Reservoir hold much water because it's probably unsafe.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Reservoir#Geography>
"The reservoir has a capacity of 7,900 acre-feet..."
"In 1931, the LADWP made the decision to permanently keep the
Hollywood Reservoir lowered, and keep it to no more than 4,000
acre-feet (4,900,000 m3). The reservoir now is usually maintained at
about 2,800 acre-feet (3,500,000 m3)."
Post by zen cycle
The fires were caused by jewish space lasers controlled by the black
pope!!! They are the same ones that formulated graphene particles in the
covid vaccines to allow mind control through the 5G network!!!
https://indepthnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/COVID-Report-from-Rep.-Weyler-3.pdf
Not Jewish. The space lasers were intended to be used by PG&E to
clear room for the high speed rail project. I read it on the internet
"Marjorie Taylor Greene Blamed Wildfires on Secret Jewish Space Laser"
<https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html>
"Forests don’t just catch fire, you know. Rather, the blazes had been
started by PG&E, in conjunction with the Rothschilds, using a space
laser, in order to clear room for a high-speed rail project."
That can't be true.
I read it on the internet so it must be true.
Post by AMuzi
Nothing on this earth will speed California's high speed
rail project.
Seventeen years on, the first track is being laid. The $33
billion system is now estimated at $135 billion (the smart
money would bet that it goes much higher).
There's still no plan to actually extend it into SF or into LA.
Very true. However, the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'll just wait for VTOL aircraft, personal helicopter commuting, jet
packs, inflatable automobiles for easy parking, rocket mail,
self-balancing Segway scooters, vacuum trains, maglev trains, cheap
energy storage, and other science fiction dreams. Real-soon-now.
Post by AMuzi
It's often said that cancer is like poverty in that more
people live off them than die from them. Similarly, this
project may actually be an example of perpetual life, albeit
in a zombie state of promising completion "soon, but not
this year".
https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/state/first-tracks-laid-in-california-high-speed-rail-project/article_d2533dff-6731-5802-b394-b501c95c0892.html
https://www.hoover.org/research/californias-high-speed-rail-was-fantasy-its-inception
No arguments, but the project cost so far (it will most
assuredly increase) is $3400 per human in California. Not
'per taxpayer' not 'per public transit patron' but for every
person in the State.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Siri Cruise
2025-01-10 02:47:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
"Forests don’t just catch fire, you know. Rather, the blazes had been
started by PG&E, in conjunction with the Rothschilds, using a space
laser, in order to clear room for a high-speed rail project."
PG+E had not been clearing branches near some of its electric
lines. For which they have been fined and sued.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by AMuzi
Seventeen years on, the first track is being laid. The $33
billion system is now estimated at $135 billion (the smart
money would bet that it goes much higher).
There's still no plan to actually extend it into SF or into LA.
Very true. However, the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
I do not know about the southern end. If the cars can run on SP
tracks, Caltrain already connects San Francisco and San Jose and
Gilroy and Pacheco Pass. Same kind of tracks connect San Jose to
east bay and Sacramento. In the Bay Area all railroads lead to
Diridon.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I'll just wait for VTOL aircraft, personal helicopter commuting, jet
packs, inflatable automobiles for easy parking, rocket mail,
self-balancing Segway scooters, vacuum trains, maglev trains, cheap
energy storage, and other science fiction dreams. Real-soon-now.
Musk bought Angel Island as the launch pad for suborbital flights
to Los Angeles. Next will be the catcher towers at Long Beach docks.
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Jeff Liebermann
2025-01-10 03:26:13 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 18:47:05 -0800, Siri Cruise
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Jeff Liebermann
"Forests don’t just catch fire, you know. Rather, the blazes had been
started by PG&E, in conjunction with the Rothschilds, using a space
laser, in order to clear room for a high-speed rail project."
PG+E had not been clearing branches near some of its electric
lines. For which they have been fined and sued.
PG&E tree trimming with a helicopter:

More of the same:
<https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=pge+helicopter+tree+trimming>
Looks like fun.
--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Frank Krygowski
2025-01-10 16:46:46 UTC
Permalink
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
--
- Frank Krygowski
pothead
2025-01-10 21:31:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
--
pothead

"Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life"
"Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican"
"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up,"
--- Barack H. Obama
AMuzi
2025-01-10 21:38:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
I have no opinion but there are societal differences:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/

which present a chicken-egg problem.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Frank Krygowski
2025-01-10 23:52:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S. in
cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership and
were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that doesn't
seem to be the case.

Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a shame
we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving these
days. I'd prefer a choice.
--
- Frank Krygowski
AMuzi
2025-01-11 01:56:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
better on controlling planning, construction and
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/
chapter-7- case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/
sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3- e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage
of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-
litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We
rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who
used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail
system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in
US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-
country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind
the U.S. in cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far
lower car ownership and were thus more amenable to tax
dollars going to rail, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's
sort of a shame we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot
of freeway driving these days. I'd prefer a choice.
It's complex.

As with the California fiasco, every mayor and county board
chairman wants a station in exchange for right of way. Add
too many stations and you have a "low speed rail' system.

For more modest projects, the past 30 years or so most
commuting for work is suburb to suburb, not outlying areas
to city center. There's still plenty of both in our large
cities, but taxing everyone for a very limited rail path is
a hard sell.

City to city like Shinkansen or TGV is possible and Bright
Line seems to have done that, but long term operational
solvency is still up in the air.

https://www.wftv.com/news/local/brightline-posts-multimillion-dollar-loss-profits-2023-read-why/7FD2AR2FBRDCBIC6I3XCNGDMOY/

So far no passenger rail in USA operates at a profit, most
are deep in the red for operations, and the capital costs
(these are large numbers!) have negative ROI.

Again I have no opinion but this is way too complex for
predictions.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Frank Krygowski
2025-01-11 17:50:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/ chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/ sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail- litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by- country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S.
in cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership
and were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that
doesn't seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a
shame we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving
these days. I'd prefer a choice.
It's complex.
As with the California fiasco, every mayor and county board chairman
wants a station in exchange for right of way. Add too many stations and
you have a "low speed rail' system.
For more modest projects, the past 30 years or so most commuting for
work is suburb to suburb, not outlying areas to city center.  There's
still plenty of both in our large cities, but taxing everyone for a very
limited rail path is a hard sell.
City to city like Shinkansen or TGV is possible and Bright Line seems to
have done that, but long term operational solvency is still up in the air.
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/brightline-posts-multimillion-dollar-
loss-profits-2023-read-why/7FD2AR2FBRDCBIC6I3XCNGDMOY/
So far no passenger rail in USA operates at a profit, most are deep in
the red for operations, and the capital costs (these are large numbers!)
have negative ROI.
ISTM that roads and highways don't operate at a "profit." With only the
rarest exceptions They are paid for entirely by tax dollars. I'm not
finding anything on private freeways, probably because they are not
economically viable. (Hwy 91 in CA seems to be a unique exception with
contentious results; and from what I can tell, the company that runs -
or ran? - it didn't have to pay for right-of-way acquisition or
construction.)

So the U.S. subsidizes road transport. Other countries do that, of
course, but they also subsidize rail transport. They don't expect it to
make a profit any more than we expect our freeways to make a profit.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Catrike Ryder
2025-01-11 19:41:45 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 12:50:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/ chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/ sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail- litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by- country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S.
in cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership
and were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that
doesn't seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a
shame we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving
these days. I'd prefer a choice.
It's complex.
As with the California fiasco, every mayor and county board chairman
wants a station in exchange for right of way. Add too many stations and
you have a "low speed rail' system.
For more modest projects, the past 30 years or so most commuting for
work is suburb to suburb, not outlying areas to city center.  There's
still plenty of both in our large cities, but taxing everyone for a very
limited rail path is a hard sell.
City to city like Shinkansen or TGV is possible and Bright Line seems to
have done that, but long term operational solvency is still up in the air.
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/brightline-posts-multimillion-dollar-
loss-profits-2023-read-why/7FD2AR2FBRDCBIC6I3XCNGDMOY/
So far no passenger rail in USA operates at a profit, most are deep in
the red for operations, and the capital costs (these are large numbers!)
have negative ROI.
ISTM that roads and highways don't operate at a "profit." With only the
rarest exceptions They are paid for entirely by tax dollars. I'm not
finding anything on private freeways, probably because they are not
economically viable. (Hwy 91 in CA seems to be a unique exception with
contentious results; and from what I can tell, the company that runs -
or ran? - it didn't have to pay for right-of-way acquisition or
construction.)
So the U.S. subsidizes road transport. Other countries do that, of
course, but they also subsidize rail transport. They don't expect it to
make a profit any more than we expect our freeways to make a profit.
The U S government subsidizes the transportation facilities that the
people prefer to use. Long distance passenger rail does not seem to be
one of them. It shrank because people didn't use it, unlike bicycle
trails and paths that are multiplying in leaps and bounds.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
cyclintom
2025-01-11 21:52:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 12:50:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/ chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/ sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail- litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by- country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S.
in cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership
and were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that
doesn't seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a
shame we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving
these days. I'd prefer a choice.
It's complex.
As with the California fiasco, every mayor and county board chairman
wants a station in exchange for right of way. Add too many stations and
you have a "low speed rail' system.
For more modest projects, the past 30 years or so most commuting for
work is suburb to suburb, not outlying areas to city center.? There's
still plenty of both in our large cities, but taxing everyone for a very
limited rail path is a hard sell.
City to city like Shinkansen or TGV is possible and Bright Line seems to
have done that, but long term operational solvency is still up in the air.
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/brightline-posts-multimillion-dollar-
loss-profits-2023-read-why/7FD2AR2FBRDCBIC6I3XCNGDMOY/
So far no passenger rail in USA operates at a profit, most are deep in
the red for operations, and the capital costs (these are large numbers!)
have negative ROI.
ISTM that roads and highways don't operate at a "profit." With only the
rarest exceptions They are paid for entirely by tax dollars. I'm not
finding anything on private freeways, probably because they are not
economically viable. (Hwy 91 in CA seems to be a unique exception with
contentious results; and from what I can tell, the company that runs -
or ran? - it didn't have to pay for right-of-way acquisition or
construction.)
So the U.S. subsidizes road transport. Other countries do that, of
course, but they also subsidize rail transport. They don't expect it to
make a profit any more than we expect our freeways to make a profit.
The U S government subsidizes the transportation facilities that the
people prefer to use. Long distance passenger rail does not seem to be
one of them. It shrank because people didn't use it, unlike bicycle
trails and paths that are multiplying in leaps and bounds.
There used top be the Shasta Dayolight that went from Oakland I believe to Seattle. That was a very profitable Northern Pacific route. You could sit in the lounge car which had a raised plastic top with totaol visibility through the heavily forested route to Seattle. That was MUCH more satisfying than getting on and off of a commrecial airline which at the time was DC5's or Constellations. I would gladly take that anytime. But all my Seattle side of the family are long gone and so are my Air Force friends.
Catrike Ryder
2025-01-11 22:18:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by cyclintom
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 12:50:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/ chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/ sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail- litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by- country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S.
in cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership
and were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that
doesn't seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a
shame we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving
these days. I'd prefer a choice.
It's complex.
As with the California fiasco, every mayor and county board chairman
wants a station in exchange for right of way. Add too many stations and
you have a "low speed rail' system.
For more modest projects, the past 30 years or so most commuting for
work is suburb to suburb, not outlying areas to city center.? There's
still plenty of both in our large cities, but taxing everyone for a very
limited rail path is a hard sell.
City to city like Shinkansen or TGV is possible and Bright Line seems to
have done that, but long term operational solvency is still up in the air.
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/brightline-posts-multimillion-dollar-
loss-profits-2023-read-why/7FD2AR2FBRDCBIC6I3XCNGDMOY/
So far no passenger rail in USA operates at a profit, most are deep in
the red for operations, and the capital costs (these are large numbers!)
have negative ROI.
ISTM that roads and highways don't operate at a "profit." With only the
rarest exceptions They are paid for entirely by tax dollars. I'm not
finding anything on private freeways, probably because they are not
economically viable. (Hwy 91 in CA seems to be a unique exception with
contentious results; and from what I can tell, the company that runs -
or ran? - it didn't have to pay for right-of-way acquisition or
construction.)
So the U.S. subsidizes road transport. Other countries do that, of
course, but they also subsidize rail transport. They don't expect it to
make a profit any more than we expect our freeways to make a profit.
The U S government subsidizes the transportation facilities that the
people prefer to use. Long distance passenger rail does not seem to be
one of them. It shrank because people didn't use it, unlike bicycle
trails and paths that are multiplying in leaps and bounds.
There used top be the Shasta Dayolight that went from Oakland I believe to Seattle. That was a very profitable Northern Pacific route. You could sit in the lounge car which had a raised plastic top with totaol visibility through the heavily forested route to Seattle. That was MUCH more satisfying than getting on and off of a commrecial airline which at the time was DC5's or Constellations. I would gladly take that anytime. But all my Seattle side of the family are long gone and so are my Air Force friends.
My wife convonced me once to take an ocean cruise. The room was nice,
the food was great, and I felt like I was locked up in a cage.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
AMuzi
2025-01-12 16:37:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by cyclintom
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 12:50:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/ chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/ sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail- litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by- country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S.
in cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership
and were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that
doesn't seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a
shame we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving
these days. I'd prefer a choice.
It's complex.
As with the California fiasco, every mayor and county board chairman
wants a station in exchange for right of way. Add too many stations and
you have a "low speed rail' system.
For more modest projects, the past 30 years or so most commuting for
work is suburb to suburb, not outlying areas to city center.? There's
still plenty of both in our large cities, but taxing everyone for a very
limited rail path is a hard sell.
City to city like Shinkansen or TGV is possible and Bright Line seems to
have done that, but long term operational solvency is still up in the air.
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/brightline-posts-multimillion-dollar-
loss-profits-2023-read-why/7FD2AR2FBRDCBIC6I3XCNGDMOY/
So far no passenger rail in USA operates at a profit, most are deep in
the red for operations, and the capital costs (these are large numbers!)
have negative ROI.
ISTM that roads and highways don't operate at a "profit." With only the
rarest exceptions They are paid for entirely by tax dollars. I'm not
finding anything on private freeways, probably because they are not
economically viable. (Hwy 91 in CA seems to be a unique exception with
contentious results; and from what I can tell, the company that runs -
or ran? - it didn't have to pay for right-of-way acquisition or
construction.)
So the U.S. subsidizes road transport. Other countries do that, of
course, but they also subsidize rail transport. They don't expect it to
make a profit any more than we expect our freeways to make a profit.
The U S government subsidizes the transportation facilities that the
people prefer to use. Long distance passenger rail does not seem to be
one of them. It shrank because people didn't use it, unlike bicycle
trails and paths that are multiplying in leaps and bounds.
There used top be the Shasta Dayolight that went from Oakland I believe to Seattle. That was a very profitable Northern Pacific route. You could sit in the lounge car which had a raised plastic top with totaol visibility through the heavily forested route to Seattle. That was MUCH more satisfying than getting on and off of a commrecial airline which at the time was DC5's or Constellations. I would gladly take that anytime. But all my Seattle side of the family are long gone and so are my Air Force friends.
My wife convonced me once to take an ocean cruise. The room was nice,
the food was great, and I felt like I was locked up in a cage.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're a better man than I.
Even at girlfriend's request, I would have to decline.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Catrike Ryder
2025-01-12 19:10:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by cyclintom
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 12:50:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/ chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/ sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail- litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by- country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S.
in cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership
and were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that
doesn't seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a
shame we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving
these days. I'd prefer a choice.
It's complex.
As with the California fiasco, every mayor and county board chairman
wants a station in exchange for right of way. Add too many stations and
you have a "low speed rail' system.
For more modest projects, the past 30 years or so most commuting for
work is suburb to suburb, not outlying areas to city center.? There's
still plenty of both in our large cities, but taxing everyone for a very
limited rail path is a hard sell.
City to city like Shinkansen or TGV is possible and Bright Line seems to
have done that, but long term operational solvency is still up in the air.
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/brightline-posts-multimillion-dollar-
loss-profits-2023-read-why/7FD2AR2FBRDCBIC6I3XCNGDMOY/
So far no passenger rail in USA operates at a profit, most are deep in
the red for operations, and the capital costs (these are large numbers!)
have negative ROI.
ISTM that roads and highways don't operate at a "profit." With only the
rarest exceptions They are paid for entirely by tax dollars. I'm not
finding anything on private freeways, probably because they are not
economically viable. (Hwy 91 in CA seems to be a unique exception with
contentious results; and from what I can tell, the company that runs -
or ran? - it didn't have to pay for right-of-way acquisition or
construction.)
So the U.S. subsidizes road transport. Other countries do that, of
course, but they also subsidize rail transport. They don't expect it to
make a profit any more than we expect our freeways to make a profit.
The U S government subsidizes the transportation facilities that the
people prefer to use. Long distance passenger rail does not seem to be
one of them. It shrank because people didn't use it, unlike bicycle
trails and paths that are multiplying in leaps and bounds.
There used top be the Shasta Dayolight that went from Oakland I believe to Seattle. That was a very profitable Northern Pacific route. You could sit in the lounge car which had a raised plastic top with totaol visibility through the heavily forested route to Seattle. That was MUCH more satisfying than getting on and off of a commrecial airline which at the time was DC5's or Constellations. I would gladly take that anytime. But all my Seattle side of the family are long gone and so are my Air Force friends.
My wife convonced me once to take an ocean cruise. The room was nice,
the food was great, and I felt like I was locked up in a cage.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're a better man than I.
Even at girlfriend's request, I would have to decline.
I'll do anything she asks of me... ...one time, anyway.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
cyclintom
2025-01-17 22:23:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by cyclintom
There used top be the Shasta Dayolight that went from Oakland I believe to Seattle. That was a very profitable Northern Pacific route. You could sit in the lounge car which had a raised plastic top with totaol visibility through the heavily forested route to Seattle. That was MUCH more satisfying than getting on and off of a commrecial airline which at the time was DC5's or Constellations. I would gladly take that anytime. But all my Seattle side of the family are long gone and so are my Air Force friends.
My wife convonced me once to take an ocean cruise. The room was nice,
the food was great, and I felt like I was locked up in a cage.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
You're a better man than I.
Even at girlfriend's request, I would have to decline.
Well, we had just gotten remarried and could I keep her away from her children's adventure?
AMuzi
2025-01-12 16:22:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by cyclintom
Post by Catrike Ryder
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 12:50:17 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/ chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/ sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail- litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by- country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S.
in cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership
and were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that
doesn't seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a
shame we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving
these days. I'd prefer a choice.
It's complex.
As with the California fiasco, every mayor and county board chairman
wants a station in exchange for right of way. Add too many stations and
you have a "low speed rail' system.
For more modest projects, the past 30 years or so most commuting for
work is suburb to suburb, not outlying areas to city center.? There's
still plenty of both in our large cities, but taxing everyone for a very
limited rail path is a hard sell.
City to city like Shinkansen or TGV is possible and Bright Line seems to
have done that, but long term operational solvency is still up in the air.
https://www.wftv.com/news/local/brightline-posts-multimillion-dollar-
loss-profits-2023-read-why/7FD2AR2FBRDCBIC6I3XCNGDMOY/
So far no passenger rail in USA operates at a profit, most are deep in
the red for operations, and the capital costs (these are large numbers!)
have negative ROI.
ISTM that roads and highways don't operate at a "profit." With only the
rarest exceptions They are paid for entirely by tax dollars. I'm not
finding anything on private freeways, probably because they are not
economically viable. (Hwy 91 in CA seems to be a unique exception with
contentious results; and from what I can tell, the company that runs -
or ran? - it didn't have to pay for right-of-way acquisition or
construction.)
So the U.S. subsidizes road transport. Other countries do that, of
course, but they also subsidize rail transport. They don't expect it to
make a profit any more than we expect our freeways to make a profit.
The U S government subsidizes the transportation facilities that the
people prefer to use. Long distance passenger rail does not seem to be
one of them. It shrank because people didn't use it, unlike bicycle
trails and paths that are multiplying in leaps and bounds.
There used top be the Shasta Dayolight that went from Oakland I believe to Seattle. That was a very profitable Northern Pacific route. You could sit in the lounge car which had a raised plastic top with totaol visibility through the heavily forested route to Seattle. That was MUCH more satisfying than getting on and off of a commrecial airline which at the time was DC5's or Constellations. I would gladly take that anytime. But all my Seattle side of the family are long gone and so are my Air Force friends.
There used to be lots of interesting things which no longer
work in our modern world and current economics.

I used to take the Milwaukee Road passenger service to
Chicago, 100 miles, five bucks (gasoline was 25c at the
time) straight into Union Station in the south Loop.

Inflation calculator says NPV is $50.08

But pressures on the rail industry became severe around 1970
and everything changed. Modern (surviving) rail systems are
very different now and passenger rail is mostly dead except
for publicly subsidized systems as they are not, and cannot
be, profitable today.

This is not good, nor bad. It just is.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Frank Krygowski
2025-01-12 19:46:25 UTC
Permalink
Modern (surviving) rail systems are very different
now and passenger rail is mostly dead except for publicly subsidized
systems as they are not, and cannot be, profitable today.
Publicly subsidized highways can't be profitable either.
--
- Frank Krygowski
cyclintom
2025-01-17 18:23:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Krygowski
Modern (surviving) rail systems are very different
now and passenger rail is mostly dead except for publicly subsidized
systems as they are not, and cannot be, profitable today.
Publicly subsidized highways can't be profitable either.
Frank, when you don't know anything why do you comment? Good transportation systems allow LARGE industrial growth which pays taxes which pay for the roads. Is there ONE non-communist belief you have?
Shadow
2025-01-17 18:42:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by cyclintom
Post by Frank Krygowski
Modern (surviving) rail systems are very different
now and passenger rail is mostly dead except for publicly subsidized
systems as they are not, and cannot be, profitable today.
Publicly subsidized highways can't be profitable either.
True. If it's subsidized it's not profitable.
Inversily, if it's profitable there is no reason to subsidize
it.
[]'s
Post by cyclintom
Frank, when you don't know anything why do you comment? Good transportation systems allow LARGE industrial growth which pays taxes which pay for the roads. Is there ONE non-communist belief you have?
(Brain-fart ignored)
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
cyclintom
2025-01-17 22:20:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Shadow
Post by cyclintom
Post by Frank Krygowski
Modern (surviving) rail systems are very different
now and passenger rail is mostly dead except for publicly subsidized
systems as they are not, and cannot be, profitable today.
Publicly subsidized highways can't be profitable either.
True. If it's subsidized it's not profitable.
Inversily, if it's profitable there is no reason to subsidize
it.
[]'s
Post by cyclintom
Frank, when you don't know anything why do you comment? Good transportation systems allow LARGE industrial growth which pays taxes which pay for the roads. Is there ONE non-communist belief you have?
(Brain-fart ignored)
So you're another loser trying to find something to blame.
cyclintom
2025-01-17 18:21:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
There used to be lots of interesting things which no longer
work in our modern world and current economics.
I used to take the Milwaukee Road passenger service to
Chicago, 100 miles, five bucks (gasoline was 25c at the
time) straight into Union Station in the south Loop.
Inflation calculator says NPV is $50.08
But pressures on the rail industry became severe around 1970
and everything changed. Modern (surviving) rail systems are
very different now and passenger rail is mostly dead except
for publicly subsidized systems as they are not, and cannot
be, profitable today.
This is not good, nor bad. It just is.
Silicon Valley is in the south bay area and the populated regions in the center bay. There is a profitable train system that runs to Silicon Valley though I don't know how long that will lase since most of the businesses lefter under Gavin Loathsome.
AMuzi
2025-01-17 19:17:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
There used to be lots of interesting things which no longer
work in our modern world and current economics.
I used to take the Milwaukee Road passenger service to
Chicago, 100 miles, five bucks (gasoline was 25c at the
time) straight into Union Station in the south Loop.
Inflation calculator says NPV is $50.08
But pressures on the rail industry became severe around 1970
and everything changed. Modern (surviving) rail systems are
very different now and passenger rail is mostly dead except
for publicly subsidized systems as they are not, and cannot
be, profitable today.
This is not good, nor bad. It just is.
Silicon Valley is in the south bay area and the populated regions in the center bay. There is a profitable train system that runs to Silicon Valley though I don't know how long that will lase since most of the businesses lefter under Gavin Loathsome.
This line?

https://sfstandard.com/2024/08/02/bart-silicon-valley-extension-funding/

Seems to be 'in progress' as of last summer.

For the whole system, fares cover a whopping 22% of
operating expenses (that's negative ROI on capital), more
than most passenger rail systems.

Or, another guy might say, 88% of operating costs are
subsidies/transfers from other people.

See Page 7 here:
https://www.bart.gov/sites/default/files/2024-12/BART_FY24%20PAFR_final.pdf
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Frank Krygowski
2025-01-17 22:13:19 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
This line?
https://sfstandard.com/2024/08/02/bart-silicon-valley-extension-funding/
Seems to be 'in progress' as of last summer.
For the whole system, fares cover a whopping 22% of operating expenses
(that's negative ROI on capital), more than most passenger rail systems.
Hmm. I wonder what percentage of, say, I-880 or I-680 operating expenses
are paid for by fares. Anybody got a figure?
--
- Frank Krygowski
cyclintom
2025-01-17 22:28:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
This line?
https://sfstandard.com/2024/08/02/bart-silicon-valley-extension-funding/
Seems to be 'in progress' as of last summer.
For the whole system, fares cover a whopping 22% of operating expenses
(that's negative ROI on capital), more than most passenger rail systems.
Hmm. I wonder what percentage of, say, I-880 or I-680 operating expenses
are paid for by fares. Anybody got a figure?
OK, have you all got this now? Krygowski believes that the public should pay for a road that only toll payers can use. The reduced number of lanes causes rather massive traffic jams and my wife takes more than an hour to travel 20 miles from her church activities to home. Not to mention the almost continuous lines of wrecks of people attempting to speed at the few open passages.
cyclintom
2025-01-17 23:08:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
This line?
https://sfstandard.com/2024/08/02/bart-silicon-valley-
extension-funding/
Seems to be 'in progress' as of last summer.
For the whole system, fares cover a whopping 22% of
operating expenses (that's negative ROI on capital), more
than most passenger rail systems.
Hmm. I wonder what percentage of, say, I-880 or I-680
operating expenses are paid for by fares. Anybody got a figure?
Impossible to know. Too convoluted, just like most
government accounting (which practices would land me in
prison post haste).
Regarding tolls, I remember when Illinois paid off its
original Interstate bonds, at which point the toll booths
were supposed to go away. Never happened because it's a
slush fund for politicians and the civil service.
But if you meant the road tax, that's different everywhere
you go and depending on where you are 2% to 20% of road tax
https://reason.org/policy-brief/how-much-gas-tax-money-states-divert-away-from-roads/
And, in the other view, road taxes don't cover road
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/gasoline-taxes-and-user-fees-pay-only-half-state-local-road-spending/
So every argument can be both right and wrong, depending.
Short answer: it's a mess and a muddle. Which suits the
insider beneficiaries just fine.
Pat Brown was a thoutful conservative Democrat and I didn't like him but couldn't complain. His son Jerry was a hand-me-down governor ELECTED BY THE UNIONS by giving them full power in California. By this time Gavin Newsom was elected by the unions telling their members to vote Democrat or else.
Frank Krygowski
2025-01-18 02:27:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
This line?
https://sfstandard.com/2024/08/02/bart-silicon-valley- extension-
funding/
Seems to be 'in progress' as of last summer.
For the whole system, fares cover a whopping 22% of operating
expenses (that's negative ROI on capital), more than most passenger
rail systems.
Hmm. I wonder what percentage of, say, I-880 or I-680 operating
expenses are paid for by fares. Anybody got a figure?
Impossible to know.  Too convoluted, just like most government
accounting (which practices would land me in prison post haste).
Regarding tolls, I remember when Illinois paid off its original
Interstate bonds, at which point the toll booths were supposed to go
away. Never happened because it's a slush fund for politicians and the
civil service.
Same thing happened with the Ohio Turnpike just a few years ago. People
blamed the Republican-controlled legislature.
But if you meant the road tax, that's different everywhere you go and
https://reason.org/policy-brief/how-much-gas-tax-money-states-divert-
away-from-roads/
And, in the other view, road taxes don't cover road maintenance expense,
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/gasoline-taxes-and-user-fees-
pay-only-half-state-local-road-spending/
So every argument can be both right and wrong, depending.
Short answer: it's a mess and a muddle. Which suits the insider
beneficiaries just fine.
My overall point is, we've obviously decided to subsidize road
transportation. It's not immediately obvious why we should not subsidize
rail transportation. Asking fares to cover all expenses skips over that
point.
--
- Frank Krygowski
cyclintom
2025-01-17 22:17:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
There used to be lots of interesting things which no longer
work in our modern world and current economics.
I used to take the Milwaukee Road passenger service to
Chicago, 100 miles, five bucks (gasoline was 25c at the
time) straight into Union Station in the south Loop.
Inflation calculator says NPV is $50.08
But pressures on the rail industry became severe around 1970
and everything changed. Modern (surviving) rail systems are
very different now and passenger rail is mostly dead except
for publicly subsidized systems as they are not, and cannot
be, profitable today.
This is not good, nor bad. It just is.
Silicon Valley is in the south bay area and the populated regions in the center bay. There is a profitable train system that runs to Silicon Valley though I don't know how long that will lase since most of the businesses lefter under Gavin Loathsome.
This line?
https://sfstandard.com/2024/08/02/bart-silicon-valley-extension-funding/
Seems to be 'in progress' as of last summer.
For the whole system, fares cover a whopping 22% of
operating expenses (that's negative ROI on capital), more
than most passenger rail systems.
Or, another guy might say, 88% of operating costs are
subsidies/transfers from other people.
https://www.bart.gov/sites/default/files/2024-12/BART_FY24%20PAFR_final.pdf
The UP has several passenger rail services. There is the Altemont system which goes from the Central Valley to Silicon Valley and the ACE trains which leave from San Francisco and Oakland and take 45 minutes (cars take about 2 hours or more in the traffic).

BART does have a train to Milpitas but that station is pretty out of the way. Silicon Valley was composed of Santa Clara, Mountain View, Cupertino and far north San Jose. But Gavin Loathsome and Joe Biden destroyed that business. While Stanford and UC Berkeley STILL supply the thinkers and doers, they are moving to Arizona and Texas which is crazy since you can't live outside like you can in California summers. I don't know if California can recover from the hair gel supreme. I am getting offers almost continuosly despite my note on my LinkedIn page that I am retired. But they all are saying that I have to have a degree which is insulting with my resume. So, I simply hang up or erase emails.
Frank Krygowski
2025-01-17 22:38:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by cyclintom
I am getting offers almost continuosly despite my note on my LinkedIn
page that I am retired. But they all are saying that I have to have a
degree which is insulting with my resume. So, I simply hang up or erase
emails.

If they are saying you must have a degree, you are not getting offers.
--
- Frank Krygowski
cyclintom
2025-01-17 23:04:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by cyclintom
Post by cyclintom
I am getting offers almost continuosly despite my note on my LinkedIn
page that I am retired. But they all are saying that I have to have a
degree which is insulting with my resume. So, I simply hang up or erase
emails.
If they are saying you must have a degree, you are not getting offers.
Too bad you're so full of shit. They ASSUME that someone with my credentials must have a degree. And companies in Arizona and Texas are only interested in what I can do and not whether I have a degree or not.

What jobs did your PE land you? Only to as long as they saw that you were not capable.

I accomplished jobs that you can't even dream of. But your pal Obama convinced the entire left wing that you don't know anything unless you've been to college. And most human resources departments are leftists.
Shadow
2025-01-18 00:48:33 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
And companies in Arizona and Texas are only interested in what I can do and not whether I have a degree or not.
I'm sure you would be perfect for the job. There aren't many
people specialized in making pedals fall off. Not even in Texas, where
that sort of thing is considered a "gift".
And the salary would be a nice bonus for your welfare check.
[]'s
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
Blue Lives Matter
2025-01-11 05:52:03 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 18:52:49 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S. in
cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership and
were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that doesn't
seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a shame
we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving these
days. I'd prefer a choice.
It's not that we can't do that in the USA, it's just that there aren't
enough people choosing to ride trains to make it profitable.
wayne
2025-01-11 09:12:49 UTC
Permalink
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 18:52:49 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S. in
cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership and
were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that doesn't
seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a shame
we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving these
days. I'd prefer a choice.
It's not that we can't do that in the USA, it's just that there aren't
enough people choosing to ride trains to make it profitable.
That's not it either.

The trains go places that are no longer attractive to travel to in the
USA. Would you intentionally take your family on a train ride to
Atlanta or Chicago? No you wouldn't because to get anywhere from the
point of deboarding you have to take a fairly long ride using other
transportation that passes through ghettos with frequent stops.

Taking a train to Oakland, San Francisco or Walnut is virtually the same
scenario, while Santa Barbara to San Diego and most points in between is
pleasant and safe.

The US is too spread out for trains to be effective for passenger
service except in dense areas. There are exceptions where people use
trains to commute to a lot where a company van is parked for example.
COVID put a big hammer to that though. San Diego has expanded trolley
services, but again, COVID reduced ridership.

Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety. Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas. Japan also
plans well in this way.

Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part. Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists. In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects. They are heated in
the winter time too.

California is not very smart when it comes to density and traffic
design. It's stupid to place crosswalks on streets with 6 to 8 lanes,
yet they do it. They also place bike riders in the position of
competing with automobiles and trucks on roads, while reducing lanes to
create bike lanes that are 99.9% unused, causing delays and congestion.
That's stupid. Even worse, now there's the idiots on ebikes problem.
Frank Krygowski
2025-01-11 17:35:39 UTC
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Post by wayne
Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety.  Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas.  Japan also
plans well in this way.
Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part.  Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists.  In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects.  They are heated in
the winter time too.
???

We were in Stockholm around 2010. I saw none of that. I'm also not
seeing that now in Google Street View.

Got examples?
--
- Frank Krygowski
Roger Merriman
2025-01-11 18:16:00 UTC
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Post by wayne
Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety.  Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas.  Japan also
plans well in this way.
Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part.  Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists.  In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects.  They are heated in
the winter time too.
???
We were in Stockholm around 2010. I saw none of that. I'm also not
seeing that now in Google Street View.
Got examples?
Indeed it’s what London and other cities did in the 50’s with the pedways
ie walkways in the sky, it failed totally! Though are some left being used,
but most are urban curiosities. You can see some buildings from the
Embankment with the disconnected walkway tunnel though the building, no
longer accessible.

Unsurprisingly much like the big tower blocks with also walkways people
didn’t behave as the planners expected/hoped.

Roger Merriman
Frank Krygowski
2025-01-11 23:59:26 UTC
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Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by wayne
Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety.  Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas.  Japan also
plans well in this way.
Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part.  Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists.  In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects.  They are heated in
the winter time too.
???
We were in Stockholm around 2010. I saw none of that. I'm also not
seeing that now in Google Street View.
Got examples?
Indeed it’s what London and other cities did in the 50’s with the pedways
ie walkways in the sky, it failed totally! Though are some left being used,
but most are urban curiosities. You can see some buildings from the
Embankment with the disconnected walkway tunnel though the building, no
longer accessible.
I was on a statewide committee in the early 1990s rating grant
applications for things like pedestrian and bike facilities. It was
interesting to watch some of the politics at work - in particular, some
"skyways" in a big city that got approval because the governor really,
really wanted them.

But AFAIK none were ever built.
--
- Frank Krygowski
cyclintom
2025-01-17 21:45:32 UTC
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Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by wayne
Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety. Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas. Japan also
plans well in this way.
Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part. Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists. In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects. They are heated in
the winter time too.
???
We were in Stockholm around 2010. I saw none of that. I'm also not
seeing that now in Google Street View.
Got examples?
Indeed it?s what London and other cities did in the 50?s with the pedways
ie walkways in the sky, it failed totally! Though are some left being used,
but most are urban curiosities. You can see some buildings from the
Embankment with the disconnected walkway tunnel though the building, no
longer accessible.
I was on a statewide committee in the early 1990s rating grant
applications for things like pedestrian and bike facilities. It was
interesting to watch some of the politics at work - in particular, some
"skyways" in a big city that got approval because the governor really,
really wanted them.
But AFAIK none were ever built.
While I was recovering and could find my way around, I was ring north from Palo Alto (Stanford) to San Francisco. I was getting in 65 miles so that the following weekend I would have confidence that I could complete a metric century. When I entered Redwood City, there was a "bicycle bypass" that ramped up to a skyway that did nothing more than cross over a main street and dump you back down to ground level. And the only way to get out of town was to turn right on that main street which led to San Francisco on a main road.
Catrike Ryder
2025-01-12 07:16:53 UTC
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Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by wayne
Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety.  Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas.  Japan also
plans well in this way.
Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part.  Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists.  In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects.  They are heated in
the winter time too.
???
We were in Stockholm around 2010. I saw none of that. I'm also not
seeing that now in Google Street View.
Got examples?
Indeed it’s what London and other cities did in the 50’s with the pedways
ie walkways in the sky, it failed totally! Though are some left being used,
but most are urban curiosities. You can see some buildings from the
Embankment with the disconnected walkway tunnel though the building, no
longer accessible.
Unsurprisingly much like the big tower blocks with also walkways people
didn’t behave as the planners expected/hoped.
Roger Merriman
Minneapolis system seems to work.

https://skywayaccess.com/

--
C'est bon
Soloman
AMuzi
2025-01-12 17:18:32 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by wayne
Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety.  Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas.  Japan also
plans well in this way.
Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part.  Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists.  In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects.  They are heated in
the winter time too.
???
We were in Stockholm around 2010. I saw none of that. I'm also not
seeing that now in Google Street View.
Got examples?
Indeed it’s what London and other cities did in the 50’s with the pedways
ie walkways in the sky, it failed totally! Though are some left being used,
but most are urban curiosities. You can see some buildings from the
Embankment with the disconnected walkway tunnel though the building, no
longer accessible.
Unsurprisingly much like the big tower blocks with also walkways people
didn’t behave as the planners expected/hoped.
Roger Merriman
Minneapolis system seems to work.
https://skywayaccess.com/
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Yes it's interesting but every system has its own features
and foibles:

https://accesspress.org/more-must-be-done-to-make-skyways-safer-accessible-to-all/

https://www.fox9.com/news/police-increase-patrols-in-south-minneapolis-after-17-muggings-in-1-week

https://www.businessnorth.com/daily_briefing/in-wake-of-skywalk-assault-city-officials-address-safety/article_eb1d5fa0-e7c4-11ee-96f5-cf1bac781de5.html
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Roger Merriman
2025-01-12 18:36:56 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by wayne
Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety.  Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas.  Japan also
plans well in this way.
Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part.  Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists.  In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects.  They are heated in
the winter time too.
???
We were in Stockholm around 2010. I saw none of that. I'm also not
seeing that now in Google Street View.
Got examples?
Indeed it’s what London and other cities did in the 50’s with the pedways
ie walkways in the sky, it failed totally! Though are some left being used,
but most are urban curiosities. You can see some buildings from the
Embankment with the disconnected walkway tunnel though the building, no
longer accessible.
Unsurprisingly much like the big tower blocks with also walkways people
didn’t behave as the planners expected/hoped.
Roger Merriman
Minneapolis system seems to work.
https://skywayaccess.com/
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Yes it's interesting but every system has its own features
https://accesspress.org/more-must-be-done-to-make-skyways-safer-accessible-to-all/
https://www.fox9.com/news/police-increase-patrols-in-south-minneapolis-after-17-muggings-in-1-week
https://www.businessnorth.com/daily_briefing/in-wake-of-skywalk-assault-city-officials-address-safety/article_eb1d5fa0-e7c4-11ee-96f5-cf1bac781de5.html
Which is broadly one of the problems London pedways apparently had, and
particularly the raised walkways or subways around estates or town centre
ie they feel iffy!

Roger Merriman
cyclintom
2025-01-17 21:54:37 UTC
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Post by Roger Merriman
Post by AMuzi
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by wayne
Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety. Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas. Japan also
plans well in this way.
Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part. Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists. In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects. They are heated in
the winter time too.
???
We were in Stockholm around 2010. I saw none of that. I'm also not
seeing that now in Google Street View.
Got examples?
Indeed it?s what London and other cities did in the 50?s with the pedways
ie walkways in the sky, it failed totally! Though are some left being used,
but most are urban curiosities. You can see some buildings from the
Embankment with the disconnected walkway tunnel though the building, no
longer accessible.
Unsurprisingly much like the big tower blocks with also walkways people
didn?t behave as the planners expected/hoped.
Roger Merriman
Minneapolis system seems to work.
https://skywayaccess.com/
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Yes it's interesting but every system has its own features
https://accesspress.org/more-must-be-done-to-make-skyways-safer-accessible-to-all/
https://www.fox9.com/news/police-increase-patrols-in-south-minneapolis-after-17-muggings-in-1-week
https://www.businessnorth.com/daily_briefing/in-wake-of-skywalk-assault-city-officials-address-safety/article_eb1d5fa0-e7c4-11ee-96f5-cf1bac781de5.html
Which is broadly one of the problems London pedways apparently had, and
particularly the raised walkways or subways around estates or town centre
ie they feel iffy!
That's a problem around here. I don't have a problem because even at my age I am large and pretty scarry I suppose. Plus I can tell the good guys from the bad. I forgot rule one just one time and haven't unlearned that lesson. You never hit anyone with your fist unless there's no other way. Kicking works better though it is easier to aim your elbows.
Jeff Liebermann
2025-01-18 00:56:11 UTC
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Plus I can tell the good guys from the bad.
The bad guys always wear black while the good guys wear white. Got
it.
Post by cyclintom
I forgot rule one just one time and haven't unlearned that lesson. You never hit anyone with your fist unless there's no other way. Kicking works better though it is easier to aim your elbows.
Wrong rule. The real rule one is to only hit soft body parts with
your fist. The hard body parts require a heavy blunt object or a
weapon.
--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
cyclintom
2025-01-17 21:48:46 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by wayne
Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety. Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas. Japan also
plans well in this way.
Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part. Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists. In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects. They are heated in
the winter time too.
???
We were in Stockholm around 2010. I saw none of that. I'm also not
seeing that now in Google Street View.
Got examples?
Indeed it?s what London and other cities did in the 50?s with the pedways
ie walkways in the sky, it failed totally! Though are some left being used,
but most are urban curiosities. You can see some buildings from the
Embankment with the disconnected walkway tunnel though the building, no
longer accessible.
Unsurprisingly much like the big tower blocks with also walkways people
didn?t behave as the planners expected/hoped.
Roger Merriman
Minneapolis system seems to work.
https://skywayaccess.com/
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Yes it's interesting but every system has its own features
https://accesspress.org/more-must-be-done-to-make-skyways-safer-accessible-to-all/
https://www.fox9.com/news/police-increase-patrols-in-south-minneapolis-after-17-muggings-in-1-week
https://www.businessnorth.com/daily_briefing/in-wake-of-skywalk-assault-city-officials-address-safety/article_eb1d5fa0-e7c4-11ee-96f5-cf1bac781de5.html
On the main streets around here there are broken whisky bottles everywhere and they run street sweepers over them perhaps once a year if you're lucky. So you always have to keep your eyes open.
Radey Shouman
2025-01-14 18:33:59 UTC
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Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by wayne
Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety.  Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas.  Japan also
plans well in this way.
Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part.  Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists.  In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects.  They are heated in
the winter time too.
???
We were in Stockholm around 2010. I saw none of that. I'm also not
seeing that now in Google Street View.
Got examples?
Indeed it’s what London and other cities did in the 50’s with the pedways
ie walkways in the sky, it failed totally! Though are some left being used,
but most are urban curiosities. You can see some buildings from the
Embankment with the disconnected walkway tunnel though the building, no
longer accessible.
Unsurprisingly much like the big tower blocks with also walkways people
didn’t behave as the planners expected/hoped.
There are some of those in the US as well. Here's a story on the
history of an ordinarily mysterious one, which I found entertaining:

https://tylervigen.com/the-mystery-of-the-bloomfield-bridge

--
AMuzi
2025-01-14 22:17:10 UTC
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Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by wayne
Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety.  Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas.  Japan also
plans well in this way.
Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part.  Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists.  In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects.  They are heated in
the winter time too.
???
We were in Stockholm around 2010. I saw none of that. I'm also not
seeing that now in Google Street View.
Got examples?
Indeed it’s what London and other cities did in the 50’s with the pedways
ie walkways in the sky, it failed totally! Though are some left being used,
but most are urban curiosities. You can see some buildings from the
Embankment with the disconnected walkway tunnel though the building, no
longer accessible.
Unsurprisingly much like the big tower blocks with also walkways people
didn’t behave as the planners expected/hoped.
There are some of those in the US as well. Here's a story on the
https://tylervigen.com/the-mystery-of-the-bloomfield-bridge
Thanks. I read that between coats of paint and found it
quite interesting, having watched the Interstate being built
when I was young. Amazing diligence and a surprising outcome!
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Roger Merriman
2025-01-14 23:24:46 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by wayne
Sweden gets positive marks for passenger rail and pedestrian or bike
safety.  Sweden has trains that serve popular busy areas.  Japan also
plans well in this way.
Sweden smartly engineers pedestrians and cyclists out of contention with
motor vehicles for the most part.  Instead of traffic impeding
crosswalks, they have paths that cross under or over roads that are wide
enough for walkers and cyclists.  In the case of extremely wide roads or
train tracks, they have bridges, or bridges with elevators that go up
30-40 feet to an enclosed walkway over the objects.  They are heated in
the winter time too.
???
We were in Stockholm around 2010. I saw none of that. I'm also not
seeing that now in Google Street View.
Got examples?
Indeed it’s what London and other cities did in the 50’s with the pedways
ie walkways in the sky, it failed totally! Though are some left being used,
but most are urban curiosities. You can see some buildings from the
Embankment with the disconnected walkway tunnel though the building, no
longer accessible.
Unsurprisingly much like the big tower blocks with also walkways people
didn’t behave as the planners expected/hoped.
There are some of those in the US as well. Here's a story on the
https://tylervigen.com/the-mystery-of-the-bloomfield-bridge
Thanks. I read that between coats of paint and found it
quite interesting, having watched the Interstate being built
when I was young. Amazing diligence and a surprising outcome!
Indeed one of the things about the bike is can explore some of the
curiosities such as the Pedways which there are fragments still.

<https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2018/oct/02/walkways-in-the-sky-the-return-of-londons-forgotten-pedways>

Used to also be a T34 tank,
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandela_Way_T-34_Tank> though I do like the
“Bat Cave” which is tunnel of sorts
<https://blackcablondon.net/2012/09/13/lower-robert-street-a-ghostly-tunnel-in-the-heart-of-london/>

Roger Merriman
Frank Krygowski
2025-01-15 02:16:24 UTC
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Post by Radey Shouman
There are some of those in the US as well. Here's a story on the
https://tylervigen.com/the-mystery-of-the-bloomfield-bridge
We had something very similar in our area. Until about ten years ago,
thee was a bridge crossing I-680 at Donald Ave.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Si35exuT7VhwnVLc6

Apparently what is now Stambaugh Charter School on the map was once
Stambaugh public school. The bridge over 680 was to allow students east
of 680 to walk to the school. But ODOT tore the bridge down, I suppose
because they felt the (minimal?) maintenance expense wasn't justified by
the pedestrian or bicycle traffic.

I used that bridge on a club ride that I led long ago, one I called the
Freeway Bridge Ride. We started at my area, south of Youngstown, and
rode a route the crossed every bridge over the freeway out to where 680
left the city limits.

The idea came to me that freeways and surface streets are often parallel
universes. When you're driving a city freeway, it's easy to lose track
of which surface streets cross the freeway, or what neighborhoods you're
passing through. It was an interesting ride.
--
- Frank Krygowski
Radey Shouman
2025-01-16 19:03:31 UTC
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Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by Radey Shouman
There are some of those in the US as well. Here's a story on the
https://tylervigen.com/the-mystery-of-the-bloomfield-bridge
We had something very similar in our area. Until about ten years ago,
thee was a bridge crossing I-680 at Donald Ave.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/Si35exuT7VhwnVLc6
Apparently what is now Stambaugh Charter School on the map was once
Stambaugh public school. The bridge over 680 was to allow students
east of 680 to walk to the school. But ODOT tore the bridge down, I
suppose because they felt the (minimal?) maintenance expense wasn't
justified by the pedestrian or bicycle traffic.
I used that bridge on a club ride that I led long ago, one I called
the Freeway Bridge Ride. We started at my area, south of Youngstown,
and rode a route the crossed every bridge over the freeway out to
where 680 left the city limits.
The idea came to me that freeways and surface streets are often
parallel universes. When you're driving a city freeway, it's easy to
lose track of which surface streets cross the freeway, or what
neighborhoods you're passing through. It was an interesting ride.
Some highway overpasses I see are marked with the road or path on them,
which is interesting and sometimes useful, but apparently not required.

On the other hand, I have sometimes looked over the rail on a highway
overpass to read the signs and figure out where the devil I am, at least
approximately.

Paddling a canoe often gives the same feeling -- landmarks and bridges
look much different from the water, and often some place is easily
visible but just not accessible at all.

--
Jeff Liebermann
2025-01-16 04:52:08 UTC
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Post by Radey Shouman
There are some of those in the US as well. Here's a story on the
https://tylervigen.com/the-mystery-of-the-bloomfield-bridge
Thanks. Interesting detective story. It took me over and hour to
read because the phone kept ringing.

There's also a bicycle related connection that starts at "IS IT A
REGULATION?" The stairs were designed to have ramps that are the
width of bicycle tires to make it easier to push bicycles up the
stairs. Click on the tiny "note" for details.
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Roger Merriman
2025-01-16 14:09:37 UTC
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On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:33:59 -0500, Radey Shouman
Post by Radey Shouman
There are some of those in the US as well. Here's a story on the
https://tylervigen.com/the-mystery-of-the-bloomfield-bridge
Thanks. Interesting detective story. It took me over and hour to
read because the phone kept ringing.
There's also a bicycle related connection that starts at "IS IT A
REGULATION?" The stairs were designed to have ramps that are the
width of bicycle tires to make it easier to push bicycles up the
stairs. Click on the tiny "note" for details.
Are some old “bike friendly” steps etc with those in the vague area,
definitely something that requires someone to either have nice light bike
or be fairly large and strong!

<https://maps.app.goo.gl/zuNZrLTTY4Pd6XY48> is okay in a doable way on the
Gravel bike, MTB tyres are too fat! And utility bikes are bit of pig to
manoeuvre up similar setups definitely subpar infrastructure!

Roger Merriman
Rolf Mantel
2025-01-16 17:03:34 UTC
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Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:33:59 -0500, Radey Shouman
Post by Radey Shouman
There are some of those in the US as well. Here's a story on the
https://tylervigen.com/the-mystery-of-the-bloomfield-bridge
Thanks. Interesting detective story. It took me over and hour to
read because the phone kept ringing.
There's also a bicycle related connection that starts at "IS IT A
REGULATION?" The stairs were designed to have ramps that are the
width of bicycle tires to make it easier to push bicycles up the
stairs. Click on the tiny "note" for details.
Are some old “bike friendly” steps etc with those in the vague area,
definitely something that requires someone to either have nice light bike
or be fairly large and strong!
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/zuNZrLTTY4Pd6XY48> is okay in a doable way on the
Gravel bike, MTB tyres are too fat! And utility bikes are bit of pig to
manoeuvre up similar setups definitely subpar infrastructure!
We have something similar here:

<https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor-Heuss-Br%C3%BCcke_(A_6)>

A motorway bridge over the Rhine with a footpath with stairs enabled for
pushing bicycles.

The nearest other river crossings are 9km to the North (Worms) and 9km
south (Ludwigshafen/Mannheim City center).

Rolf
cyclintom
2025-01-17 21:36:56 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:33:59 -0500, Radey Shouman
Post by Radey Shouman
There are some of those in the US as well. Here's a story on the
https://tylervigen.com/the-mystery-of-the-bloomfield-bridge
Thanks. Interesting detective story. It took me over and hour to
read because the phone kept ringing.
There's also a bicycle related connection that starts at "IS IT A
REGULATION?" The stairs were designed to have ramps that are the
width of bicycle tires to make it easier to push bicycles up the
stairs. Click on the tiny "note" for details.
Are some old ?bike friendly? steps etc with those in the vague area,
definitely something that requires someone to either have nice light bike
or be fairly large and strong!
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/zuNZrLTTY4Pd6XY48> is okay in a doable way on the
Gravel bike, MTB tyres are too fat! And utility bikes are bit of pig to
manoeuvre up similar setups definitely subpar infrastructure!
Roger, poor Jeff knows nothing first person and you cannot trust one word he writes. Remember that he will argue at the drop of a hat that I was lying and that there was no mud in Cull Canyon last winter. That the mud didn't wash down and fill the reservoir behind the dam and then bypass the entire reservoir and cut a new channel down to the overflow bypass. As PROOF he showed a picture of the swimming area that you could SEE was filling with mud itself.

If we're talking about anything, he has to break in trying to show himself as the local expert. He even claimed that my yacht club didn't have life memberships when I have one. I don't remember what circumstances I earned it under but the membership card says "Life Member".

It is sad but Liebermann, Krygowski and Flunky have something wrong with them. Now, I think that I must have urked them when I was still having my untreated epilyptic seizures and couldn't remember recent events, but that ended in 2012 and they are still at it.
Jeff Liebermann
2025-01-18 01:11:15 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:33:59 -0500, Radey Shouman
Post by Radey Shouman
There are some of those in the US as well. Here's a story on the
https://tylervigen.com/the-mystery-of-the-bloomfield-bridge
Thanks. Interesting detective story. It took me over and hour to
read because the phone kept ringing.
There's also a bicycle related connection that starts at "IS IT A
REGULATION?" The stairs were designed to have ramps that are the
width of bicycle tires to make it easier to push bicycles up the
stairs. Click on the tiny "note" for details.
Are some old ?bike friendly? steps etc with those in the vague area,
definitely something that requires someone to either have nice light bike
or be fairly large and strong!
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/zuNZrLTTY4Pd6XY48> is okay in a doable way on the
Gravel bike, MTB tyres are too fat! And utility bikes are bit of pig to
manoeuvre up similar setups definitely subpar infrastructure!
Roger, poor Jeff knows nothing first person and you cannot trust one word he writes.
I agree. You should not trust anything I say without corroboration or
verification:
"Trust, but verify".
Unsubstantiated claims by Tom (and others) also require verification.
Post by cyclintom
Remember that he will argue at the drop of a hat that I was lying and that there was no mud in Cull Canyon last winter.
I've asked you multiple times for a photo of the mud. You've
supposedly ridden you bicycle past that point numerous times without
so much as a photo. This is the only photo you've posted. I can see
the sign, but where is the mud? Do you really ride in the mud or do
you ride on the paved bicycle path?
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Post by cyclintom
That the mud didn't wash down and fill the reservoir behind the dam and then bypass the entire reservoir and cut a new channel down to the overflow bypass. As PROOF he showed a picture of the swimming area that you could SEE was filling with mud itself.
I posted reservoir photo to point out that the reservoir wasn't very
deep. I saw nothing that looked like a bypass or "deep mud" (except
the sign).
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Jeff Liebermann
2025-01-16 20:46:45 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 14:04:47 -0500, Radey Shouman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 14 Jan 2025 13:33:59 -0500, Radey Shouman
Post by Radey Shouman
There are some of those in the US as well. Here's a story on the
https://tylervigen.com/the-mystery-of-the-bloomfield-bridge
Thanks. Interesting detective story. It took me over and hour to
read because the phone kept ringing.
There's also a bicycle related connection that starts at "IS IT A
REGULATION?" The stairs were designed to have ramps that are the
width of bicycle tires to make it easier to push bicycles up the
stairs. Click on the tiny "note" for details.
I read that, and though that would hardly pass muster today, the era of
the ADA.
I agree. Today's bicycle friendly stairs would be a single steel
C-Channel down the center of the stairs for the tires. To prevent
speeding when going down, weld one way right triangle speed bumps in
the C-Channel at irregular intervals.
<https://www.metalsdepot.com/steel-products/steel-channel>
Safety first, even if it kills you.

Incidentally, the author is also responsible for the Spurious
Correlations web site:
<https://tylervigen.com>
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Jeff Liebermann
2025-01-16 20:57:50 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
Incidentally, the author is also responsible for the Spurious
<https://tylervigen.com>
"The number of bicycle repairers in California correlates with..."
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/variable?id=5582>
Scroll down the list for various correlations.

The highest correlation (r=0.964) is with "The number of like on Mark
Rober YouTube videos:"
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/7307_the-number-of-bicycle-repairers-in-california_correlates-with_the-average-number-of-likes-on-mark-rober-youtube-videos>
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Zen Cycle
2025-01-16 21:14:32 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Incidentally, the author is also responsible for the Spurious
<https://tylervigen.com>
"The number of bicycle repairers in California correlates with..."
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/variable?id=5582>
Scroll down the list for various correlations.
The highest correlation (r=0.964) is with "The number of like on Mark
Rober YouTube videos:"
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/7307_the-number-of-bicycle-repairers-in-california_correlates-with_the-average-number-of-likes-on-mark-rober-youtube-videos>
I was unaware of Mark Rober, but after checking youtube I'd suggest
there may be more of a causal link there.
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Jeff Liebermann
2025-01-17 00:05:24 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Incidentally, the author is also responsible for the Spurious
<https://tylervigen.com>
"The number of bicycle repairers in California correlates with..."
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/variable?id=5582>
Scroll down the list for various correlations.
The highest correlation (r=0.964) is with "The number of like on Mark
Rober YouTube videos:"
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/7307_the-number-of-bicycle-repairers-in-california_correlates-with_the-average-number-of-likes-on-mark-rober-youtube-videos>
I was unaware of Mark Rober, but after checking youtube I'd suggest
there may be more of a causal link there.
If there is a link, is it cooperation, collaboration, coincidence,
correlation, collusion, secret communications, etc? Personally, I
suspect that he's really an AI program, currently pushing toys for
smart kids while the real Mark Rober is working for the Santa Claus on
next years engineering toys.

Back to defrosting my refrigerators.
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Catrike Ryder
2025-01-16 21:58:03 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Incidentally, the author is also responsible for the Spurious
<https://tylervigen.com>
"The number of bicycle repairers in California correlates with..."
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/variable?id=5582>
Scroll down the list for various correlations.
The highest correlation (r=0.964) is with "The number of like on Mark
Rober YouTube videos:"
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/7307_the-number-of-bicycle-repairers-in-california_correlates-with_the-average-number-of-likes-on-mark-rober-youtube-videos>
wow! Who could have guessed? What does all that mean?

--
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Soloman
Jeff Liebermann
2025-01-16 23:54:40 UTC
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On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 16:58:03 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Incidentally, the author is also responsible for the Spurious
<https://tylervigen.com>
"The number of bicycle repairers in California correlates with..."
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/variable?id=5582>
Scroll down the list for various correlations.
The highest correlation (r=0.964) is with "The number of like on Mark
Rober YouTube videos:"
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/7307_the-number-of-bicycle-repairers-in-california_correlates-with_the-average-number-of-likes-on-mark-rober-youtube-videos>
wow! Who could have guessed? What does all that mean?
It means correlation does not imply causation.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation>
Just because the trend lines for the number of likes on Mark Rober's
YouTube videos statistically correlates closely to the trend line for
the number of bicycle repair techs in California does no mean that one
can use future bicycle repair statistics to predict the number of
bicycle repair techs in the future.

The page of confusing statistics, numbers, formulas, etc are all about
where he obtained his data and how he calculated how close the two
trend lines match. That's the right way to "show your work" when one
makes a claim. I wish there were more such calculations.

Mark Rober's videos on building squirrel proof bird feeders, exploding
glitter bombs to discourage porch pirates, and various over-engineered
gadgets are intended for kids, but are equally interesting to adults:
<https://www.youtube.com/@MarkRober/playlists>
<https://www.youtube.com/@MarkRober/videos>
He's one of the few adults that have the "knack" for getting kids
interested in engineering.
<https://www.crunchlabs.com>
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Catrike Ryder
2025-01-17 08:43:12 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Thu, 16 Jan 2025 16:58:03 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Incidentally, the author is also responsible for the Spurious
<https://tylervigen.com>
"The number of bicycle repairers in California correlates with..."
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/variable?id=5582>
Scroll down the list for various correlations.
The highest correlation (r=0.964) is with "The number of like on Mark
Rober YouTube videos:"
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/7307_the-number-of-bicycle-repairers-in-california_correlates-with_the-average-number-of-likes-on-mark-rober-youtube-videos>
wow! Who could have guessed? What does all that mean?
It means correlation does not imply causation.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation>
Just because the trend lines for the number of likes on Mark Rober's
YouTube videos statistically correlates closely to the trend line for
the number of bicycle repair techs in California does no mean that one
can use future bicycle repair statistics to predict the number of
bicycle repair techs in the future.
Huh? Where do I find those future bicycle repair statistics?

You almost had me there. I think you didn't say what you meant to say,
but if I understand what you meant to say, I agree, I think...

The first requirement is to establish that the two events are related
in any way.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
The page of confusing statistics, numbers, formulas, etc are all about
where he obtained his data and how he calculated how close the two
trend lines match. That's the right way to "show your work" when one
makes a claim. I wish there were more such calculations.
Mark Rober's videos on building squirrel proof bird feeders, exploding
glitter bombs to discourage porch pirates, and various over-engineered
He's one of the few adults that have the "knack" for getting kids
interested in engineering.
<https://www.crunchlabs.com>
Cool dude. Good stuff. No, really good stuff. I'm going to watch some
more.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Jeff Liebermann
2025-01-17 15:33:46 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 03:43:12 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Jeff Liebermann
"The number of bicycle repairers in California correlates with..."
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/variable?id=5582>
Scroll down the list for various correlations.
Huh? Where do I find those future bicycle repair statistics?
Follow the link I provided. If anything, there's too much information
and detail. In this case, there's nothing involving FUTURE bicycle
repair statistics. There's only present and past statistics. See:
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/7307_the-number-of-bicycle-repairers-in-california_correlates-with_the-average-number-of-likes-on-mark-rober-youtube-videos>
The number of bicycle repairers in California
Detailed data title: BLS estimate of bicycle repairers in California
Source: Bureau of Larbor Statistics
Which points to:
"Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics"
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/tables.htm>
Which points to the California statistics at:
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_ca.htm>
Which shows the California "bicycle repairers" on line 49-3091 at:
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes493091.htm>
as 2,800 as of May 2023 from the US map. To obtain the other years
employment, follow the links for those years and build a table.
Post by Catrike Ryder
You almost had me there. I think you didn't say what you meant to say,
but if I understand what you meant to say, I agree, I think...
No sympathy. If I can navigate my way through the Burro of Laborious
Statistics, you can also do the same. I assure you that statistical
research is surviveable.
Post by Catrike Ryder
The first requirement is to establish that the two events are related
in any way.
Nope. The LAST requirement is to determine if the numbers line up to
produce some form of correlation, which they do. Then, you figure out
how well they correlate (r=0.964). However, even if they correlate
perfectly, you cannot claim causality.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Mark Rober's videos on building squirrel proof bird feeders, exploding
glitter bombs to discourage porch pirates, and various over-engineered
He's one of the few adults that have the "knack" for getting kids
interested in engineering.
<https://www.crunchlabs.com>
Cool dude. Good stuff. No, really good stuff. I'm going to watch some
more.
Enjoy.
--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
cyclintom
2025-01-17 21:20:36 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 03:43:12 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Jeff Liebermann
"The number of bicycle repairers in California correlates with..."
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/variable?id=5582>
Scroll down the list for various correlations.
Huh? Where do I find those future bicycle repair statistics?
Follow the link I provided. If anything, there's too much information
and detail. In this case, there's nothing involving FUTURE bicycle
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/7307_the-number-of-bicycle-repairers-in-california_correlates-with_the-average-number-of-likes-on-mark-rober-youtube-videos>
The number of bicycle repairers in California
Detailed data title: BLS estimate of bicycle repairers in California
Source: Bureau of Larbor Statistics
"Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics"
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/tables.htm>
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_ca.htm>
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes493091.htm>
as 2,800 as of May 2023 from the US map. To obtain the other years
employment, follow the links for those years and build a table.
Post by Catrike Ryder
You almost had me there. I think you didn't say what you meant to say,
but if I understand what you meant to say, I agree, I think...
No sympathy. If I can navigate my way through the Burro of Laborious
Statistics, you can also do the same. I assure you that statistical
research is surviveable.
Post by Catrike Ryder
The first requirement is to establish that the two events are related
in any way.
Nope. The LAST requirement is to determine if the numbers line up to
produce some form of correlation, which they do. Then, you figure out
how well they correlate (r=0.964). However, even if they correlate
perfectly, you cannot claim causality.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Mark Rober's videos on building squirrel proof bird feeders, exploding
glitter bombs to discourage porch pirates, and various over-engineered
He's one of the few adults that have the "knack" for getting kids
interested in engineering.
<https://www.crunchlabs.com>
Cool dude. Good stuff. No, really good stuff. I'm going to watch some
more.
Every posting you demonstrate why your entire life has been outside of the mainstream. You have never done anything yourself but you absolutely love giving references and advice to other which you haven't the slightest idea which is true or not.
Catrike Ryder
2025-01-17 21:58:22 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 03:43:12 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Jeff Liebermann
"The number of bicycle repairers in California correlates with..."
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/variable?id=5582>
Scroll down the list for various correlations.
Huh? Where do I find those future bicycle repair statistics?
Follow the link I provided. If anything, there's too much information
and detail. In this case, there's nothing involving FUTURE bicycle
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/7307_the-number-of-bicycle-repairers-in-california_correlates-with_the-average-number-of-likes-on-mark-rober-youtube-videos>
The number of bicycle repairers in California
Detailed data title: BLS estimate of bicycle repairers in California
Source: Bureau of Larbor Statistics
"Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics"
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/tables.htm>
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_ca.htm>
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes493091.htm>
as 2,800 as of May 2023 from the US map. To obtain the other years
employment, follow the links for those years and build a table.
Post by Catrike Ryder
You almost had me there. I think you didn't say what you meant to say,
but if I understand what you meant to say, I agree, I think...
No sympathy. If I can navigate my way through the Burro of Laborious
Statistics, you can also do the same. I assure you that statistical
research is surviveable.
Post by Catrike Ryder
The first requirement is to establish that the two events are related
in any way.
Nope. The LAST requirement is to determine if the numbers line up to
produce some form of correlation, which they do. Then, you figure out
how well they correlate (r=0.964). However, even if they correlate
perfectly, you cannot claim causality.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Mark Rober's videos on building squirrel proof bird feeders, exploding
glitter bombs to discourage porch pirates, and various over-engineered
He's one of the few adults that have the "knack" for getting kids
interested in engineering.
<https://www.crunchlabs.com>
Cool dude. Good stuff. No, really good stuff. I'm going to watch some
more.
Every posting you demonstrate why your entire life has been outside of the mainstream. You have never done anything yourself but you absolutely love giving references and advice to other which you haven't the slightest idea which is true or not.
I don't give references.

--
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Soloman
cyclintom
2025-01-17 22:36:12 UTC
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Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 03:43:12 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Jeff Liebermann
"The number of bicycle repairers in California correlates with..."
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/variable?id=5582>
Scroll down the list for various correlations.
Huh? Where do I find those future bicycle repair statistics?
Follow the link I provided. If anything, there's too much information
and detail. In this case, there's nothing involving FUTURE bicycle
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/7307_the-number-of-bicycle-repairers-in-california_correlates-with_the-average-number-of-likes-on-mark-rober-youtube-videos>
The number of bicycle repairers in California
Detailed data title: BLS estimate of bicycle repairers in California
Source: Bureau of Larbor Statistics
"Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics"
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/tables.htm>
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_ca.htm>
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes493091.htm>
as 2,800 as of May 2023 from the US map. To obtain the other years
employment, follow the links for those years and build a table.
Post by Catrike Ryder
You almost had me there. I think you didn't say what you meant to say,
but if I understand what you meant to say, I agree, I think...
No sympathy. If I can navigate my way through the Burro of Laborious
Statistics, you can also do the same. I assure you that statistical
research is surviveable.
Post by Catrike Ryder
The first requirement is to establish that the two events are related
in any way.
Nope. The LAST requirement is to determine if the numbers line up to
produce some form of correlation, which they do. Then, you figure out
how well they correlate (r=0.964). However, even if they correlate
perfectly, you cannot claim causality.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Mark Rober's videos on building squirrel proof bird feeders, exploding
glitter bombs to discourage porch pirates, and various over-engineered
He's one of the few adults that have the "knack" for getting kids
interested in engineering.
<https://www.crunchlabs.com>
Cool dude. Good stuff. No, really good stuff. I'm going to watch some
more.
Every posting you demonstrate why your entire life has been outside of the mainstream. You have never done anything yourself but you absolutely love giving references and advice to other which you haven't the slightest idea which is true or not.
I don't give references.
That is because you speak from experience. Unfortunately Liebermann doesn't. Believe me, I do not enjoy giving the stupid 3 hell. It really is a waste of time and nothing in this world could change their minds anyway. But others should grow a firm skepticism about what they say.
Jeff Liebermann
2025-01-17 22:35:00 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 03:43:12 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Jeff Liebermann
"The number of bicycle repairers in California correlates with..."
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/variable?id=5582>
Scroll down the list for various correlations.
Huh? Where do I find those future bicycle repair statistics?
Follow the link I provided. If anything, there's too much information
and detail. In this case, there's nothing involving FUTURE bicycle
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/7307_the-number-of-bicycle-repairers-in-california_correlates-with_the-average-number-of-likes-on-mark-rober-youtube-videos>
The number of bicycle repairers in California
Detailed data title: BLS estimate of bicycle repairers in California
Source: Bureau of Larbor Statistics
"Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics"
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/tables.htm>
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_ca.htm>
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes493091.htm>
as 2,800 as of May 2023 from the US map. To obtain the other years
employment, follow the links for those years and build a table.
Post by Catrike Ryder
You almost had me there. I think you didn't say what you meant to say,
but if I understand what you meant to say, I agree, I think...
No sympathy. If I can navigate my way through the Burro of Laborious
Statistics, you can also do the same. I assure you that statistical
research is surviveable.
Post by Catrike Ryder
The first requirement is to establish that the two events are related
in any way.
Nope. The LAST requirement is to determine if the numbers line up to
produce some form of correlation, which they do. Then, you figure out
how well they correlate (r=0.964). However, even if they correlate
perfectly, you cannot claim causality.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Mark Rober's videos on building squirrel proof bird feeders, exploding
glitter bombs to discourage porch pirates, and various over-engineered
He's one of the few adults that have the "knack" for getting kids
interested in engineering.
<https://www.crunchlabs.com>
Cool dude. Good stuff. No, really good stuff. I'm going to watch some
more.
Every posting you demonstrate why your entire life has been outside of the mainstream.
Why would I want my life to follow the mainstream herd? If following
the mainstream leads to success, I will follow. If following whatever
is considered fashionable, I don't follow it. Again, why would I want
to follow whatever you consider to be the mainstream?
Post by cyclintom
You have never done anything yourself but you absolutely love giving references and advice to other which you haven't the slightest idea which is true or not.
Nice comma splice. I take it that you don't enjoy giving references
(commonly known as links and URL's. Please don't complain about
someone not knowing whether something is true or not. You track
record in RBT for distributing lies, distortions, fake news, and
debunked amazing facts is legendary. Why do you ascribe to me
attributes that best describe your methods? Do you believe that will
make you immune to be accused of the same deficiencies? Are you
attempting to win the endlessly repetitious broken record award?

Incidentally, I noticed that when you started posting 40 articles per
day, participation by others in RBT decreased. When that failed to
deflect attention in your direction, you disappeared for a few days
and then reappeared with only a few postings per day. During the days
you were absent, participation increased dramatically. Are you
bothered by people who want to discuss things about which you know
zilch?
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
cyclintom
2025-01-17 22:40:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Fri, 17 Jan 2025 03:43:12 -0500, Catrike Ryder
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Jeff Liebermann
"The number of bicycle repairers in California correlates with..."
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/variable?id=5582>
Scroll down the list for various correlations.
Huh? Where do I find those future bicycle repair statistics?
Follow the link I provided. If anything, there's too much information
and detail. In this case, there's nothing involving FUTURE bicycle
<https://tylervigen.com/spurious/correlation/7307_the-number-of-bicycle-repairers-in-california_correlates-with_the-average-number-of-likes-on-mark-rober-youtube-videos>
The number of bicycle repairers in California
Detailed data title: BLS estimate of bicycle repairers in California
Source: Bureau of Larbor Statistics
"Occupational Employment and Wage Statistics"
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/tables.htm>
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes_ca.htm>
<https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes493091.htm>
as 2,800 as of May 2023 from the US map. To obtain the other years
employment, follow the links for those years and build a table.
Post by Catrike Ryder
You almost had me there. I think you didn't say what you meant to say,
but if I understand what you meant to say, I agree, I think...
No sympathy. If I can navigate my way through the Burro of Laborious
Statistics, you can also do the same. I assure you that statistical
research is surviveable.
Post by Catrike Ryder
The first requirement is to establish that the two events are related
in any way.
Nope. The LAST requirement is to determine if the numbers line up to
produce some form of correlation, which they do. Then, you figure out
how well they correlate (r=0.964). However, even if they correlate
perfectly, you cannot claim causality.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Mark Rober's videos on building squirrel proof bird feeders, exploding
glitter bombs to discourage porch pirates, and various over-engineered
He's one of the few adults that have the "knack" for getting kids
interested in engineering.
<https://www.crunchlabs.com>
Cool dude. Good stuff. No, really good stuff. I'm going to watch some
more.
Every posting you demonstrate why your entire life has been outside of the mainstream.
Why would I want my life to follow the mainstream herd? If following
the mainstream leads to success, I will follow. If following whatever
is considered fashionable, I don't follow it. Again, why would I want
to follow whatever you consider to be the mainstream?
Post by cyclintom
You have never done anything yourself but you absolutely love giving references and advice to other which you haven't the slightest idea which is true or not.
Nice comma splice. I take it that you don't enjoy giving references
(commonly known as links and URL's. Please don't complain about
someone not knowing whether something is true or not. You track
record in RBT for distributing lies, distortions, fake news, and
debunked amazing facts is legendary. Why do you ascribe to me
attributes that best describe your methods? Do you believe that will
make you immune to be accused of the same deficiencies? Are you
attempting to win the endlessly repetitious broken record award?
Incidentally, I noticed that when you started posting 40 articles per
day, participation by others in RBT decreased. When that failed to
deflect attention in your direction, you disappeared for a few days
and then reappeared with only a few postings per day. During the days
you were absent, participation increased dramatically. Are you
bothered by people who want to discuss things about which you know
zilch?
The mainstream NORMALLY is the correct group. But you will say otherwise and link absolute bull shit as soon as know anything about it. Wikipedia is as often completely wrong as right since they accept entries from people like you.
cyclintom
2025-01-11 21:54:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 10 Jan 2025 18:52:49 -0500, Frank Krygowski
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S. in
cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership and
were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that doesn't
seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a shame
we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving these
days. I'd prefer a choice.
It's not that we can't do that in the USA, it's just that there aren't
enough people choosing to ride trains to make it profitable.
The competition from commercial aviation is simply too strong.
Roger Merriman
2025-01-11 08:01:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S. in
cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership and
were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that doesn't
seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a shame
we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving these
days. I'd prefer a choice.
It appears to be a political choice and and almost a worse service that you
have for the same reasons.

Roger Merriman
Catrike Ryder
2025-01-11 13:49:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S. in
cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership and
were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that doesn't
seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a shame
we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving these
days. I'd prefer a choice.
It appears to be a political choice and and almost a worse service that you
have for the same reasons.
Roger Merriman
The desire some people in the USA have to be more like other countries
seems to have taken a political hit. There seems to still be a little
sense of individualism left in our culture, but I wonder how long it
will last.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
2025-01-11 18:16:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S. in
cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership and
were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that doesn't
seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a shame
we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving these
days. I'd prefer a choice.
It appears to be a political choice and and almost a worse service that you
have for the same reasons.
Roger Merriman
The desire some people in the USA have to be more like other countries
seems to have taken a political hit. There seems to still be a little
sense of individualism left in our culture, but I wonder how long it
will last.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Considering that all of your towns were built by rail would seem that the
train is very American! That there has been a move to Car centric culture
for last 70 something years doesn’t change that nor mean it couldn’t change
back, as ever these aren’t fixed.

Roger Merriman
Catrike Ryder
2025-01-11 19:45:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S. in
cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership and
were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that doesn't
seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a shame
we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving these
days. I'd prefer a choice.
It appears to be a political choice and and almost a worse service that you
have for the same reasons.
Roger Merriman
The desire some people in the USA have to be more like other countries
seems to have taken a political hit. There seems to still be a little
sense of individualism left in our culture, but I wonder how long it
will last.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Considering that all of your towns were built by rail would seem that the
train is very American! That there has been a move to Car centric culture
for last 70 something years doesn’t change that nor mean it couldn’t change
back, as ever these aren’t fixed.
Roger Merriman
People used to ride horses and buggies for transporation, too. As for
me, I can tolerate being confined for a few short hours to an
uncomfortable seat amongst a couple hundred other uncomfortable
passengers on an airplane, but not locked up for a couple of days on a
train.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
2025-01-12 10:00:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S. in
cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership and
were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that doesn't
seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a shame
we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving these
days. I'd prefer a choice.
It appears to be a political choice and and almost a worse service that you
have for the same reasons.
Roger Merriman
The desire some people in the USA have to be more like other countries
seems to have taken a political hit. There seems to still be a little
sense of individualism left in our culture, but I wonder how long it
will last.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Considering that all of your towns were built by rail would seem that the
train is very American! That there has been a move to Car centric culture
for last 70 something years doesn’t change that nor mean it couldn’t change
back, as ever these aren’t fixed.
Roger Merriman
People used to ride horses and buggies for transporation, too. As for
me, I can tolerate being confined for a few short hours to an
uncomfortable seat amongst a couple hundred other uncomfortable
passengers on an airplane, but not locked up for a couple of days on a
train.
Plains are much more cramped and generally people in your space than trains
certainly intercity ones, plus one can wander to the buffet bar and so on.

A proper highspeed train of which America seems to have a massive 49.9 of
line that can handle the only just classified as Highspeed 150mph, the
Amtrak trains seem to average essentially fright speeds 50/60mph which in
the right situation is fine,.

I’ve taken the Caledonian sleeper to Fort William a few times, it’s around
that speeds but as you board the train in the Evening have a room and bed/s
and it arrives by the morning that works but even within UK which is quite
a bit smaller having intercity trains run so slow and uk Intercity trains
aren’t highspeed but they are double the speed I think they date from the
1970’s or thereabouts.

I don’t use intercity trains much as well while I live in a City I’m a hour
or so away from the intercity trains, at least ones I do use, and my
family/friends don’t live in cities so ends up with at least 2 trains to
and from the main line station plus probably a taxi or getting collected by
them.

A proper highspeed train absolutely could do intercity traffic and be
reasonable competitive vs air travel, lot less faff ie avoid airports!
Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
Catrike Ryder
2025-01-12 10:27:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S. in
cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership and
were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that doesn't
seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a shame
we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving these
days. I'd prefer a choice.
It appears to be a political choice and and almost a worse service that you
have for the same reasons.
Roger Merriman
The desire some people in the USA have to be more like other countries
seems to have taken a political hit. There seems to still be a little
sense of individualism left in our culture, but I wonder how long it
will last.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Considering that all of your towns were built by rail would seem that the
train is very American! That there has been a move to Car centric culture
for last 70 something years doesn?t change that nor mean it couldn?t change
back, as ever these aren?t fixed.
Roger Merriman
People used to ride horses and buggies for transporation, too. As for
me, I can tolerate being confined for a few short hours to an
uncomfortable seat amongst a couple hundred other uncomfortable
passengers on an airplane, but not locked up for a couple of days on a
train.
Plains are much more cramped and generally people in your space than trains
certainly intercity ones, plus one can wander to the buffet bar and so on.
Babble in a confined space is worse for me than the uncomfortable
seats where people tend to keep quiet.
Post by Roger Merriman
A proper highspeed train of which America seems to have a massive 49.9 of
line that can handle the only just classified as Highspeed 150mph, the
Amtrak trains seem to average essentially fright speeds 50/60mph which in
the right situation is fine,.
I’ve taken the Caledonian sleeper to Fort William a few times, it’s around
that speeds but as you board the train in the Evening have a room and bed/s
and it arrives by the morning that works but even within UK which is quite
a bit smaller having intercity trains run so slow and uk Intercity trains
aren’t highspeed but they are double the speed I think they date from the
1970’s or thereabouts.
I don’t use intercity trains much as well while I live in a City I’m a hour
or so away from the intercity trains, at least ones I do use, and my
family/friends don’t live in cities so ends up with at least 2 trains to
and from the main line station plus probably a taxi or getting collected by
them.
A proper highspeed train absolutely could do intercity traffic and be
reasonable competitive vs air travel, lot less faff ie avoid airports!
Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
I'm not alone in my dislike for long distance rail travel. It died out
because people didn't use it to the extent that it was profitable. I
suspect that if passenger trains were used as much as current
commercial air travel, the train stations would be as bad or worse
than airports.

Passenger trains may come back someday, but I won't be around to see
it. I'm good with that.

--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
2025-01-12 18:02:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
Post by Frank Krygowski
Post by AMuzi
Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-
case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-
e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/vehicles-per-capita-by-country/
which present a chicken-egg problem.
Interesting data. I see that France is really not far behind the U.S. in
cars-per-capita. I had wondered if they had far lower car ownership and
were thus more amenable to tax dollars going to rail, but that doesn't
seem to be the case.
Anyway, other countries are doing rail pretty well. It's sort of a shame
we can't. I'm pretty much forced to do a lot of freeway driving these
days. I'd prefer a choice.
It appears to be a political choice and and almost a worse service that you
have for the same reasons.
Roger Merriman
The desire some people in the USA have to be more like other countries
seems to have taken a political hit. There seems to still be a little
sense of individualism left in our culture, but I wonder how long it
will last.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Considering that all of your towns were built by rail would seem that the
train is very American! That there has been a move to Car centric culture
for last 70 something years doesn?t change that nor mean it couldn?t change
back, as ever these aren?t fixed.
Roger Merriman
People used to ride horses and buggies for transporation, too. As for
me, I can tolerate being confined for a few short hours to an
uncomfortable seat amongst a couple hundred other uncomfortable
passengers on an airplane, but not locked up for a couple of days on a
train.
Plains are much more cramped and generally people in your space than trains
certainly intercity ones, plus one can wander to the buffet bar and so on.
Babble in a confined space is worse for me than the uncomfortable
seats where people tend to keep quiet.
Planes are lot more noisy let alone airports!

And you have lot more space. And can take your own food and generally stuff
is much more relaxed take one’s bike as well with various degrees of
comfort.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Post by Roger Merriman
A proper highspeed train of which America seems to have a massive 49.9 of
line that can handle the only just classified as Highspeed 150mph, the
Amtrak trains seem to average essentially fright speeds 50/60mph which in
the right situation is fine,.
I’ve taken the Caledonian sleeper to Fort William a few times, it’s around
that speeds but as you board the train in the Evening have a room and bed/s
and it arrives by the morning that works but even within UK which is quite
a bit smaller having intercity trains run so slow and uk Intercity trains
aren’t highspeed but they are double the speed I think they date from the
1970’s or thereabouts.
I don’t use intercity trains much as well while I live in a City I’m a hour
or so away from the intercity trains, at least ones I do use, and my
family/friends don’t live in cities so ends up with at least 2 trains to
and from the main line station plus probably a taxi or getting collected by
them.
A proper highspeed train absolutely could do intercity traffic and be
reasonable competitive vs air travel, lot less faff ie avoid airports!
Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
I'm not alone in my dislike for long distance rail travel. It died out
because people didn't use it to the extent that it was profitable. I
suspect that if passenger trains were used as much as current
commercial air travel, the train stations would be as bad or worse
than airports.
Much like Frank and bike lanes and so on, you get what you build for if you
build a freeway network connecting cities and though them, and passenger
trains lines are removed or limited well that’s what you’re going to get ie
you get what you design for.

I live close ish to the 4th busiest airport in the world, but even so
Liverpool Street handles 25% more, and more normal airports such as your
local I assume in Tampa are way down from those sorts of numbers.

Planes require much more land even quite large train stations are
comparatively compact and trains are capable of carrying more passengers in
general ie only the largest of planes are comparable such as the A380 which
still carries less passengers topping out at 500ish, with trains ranging
from 500-700 ish.
Post by Catrike Ryder
Passenger trains may come back someday, but I won't be around to see
it. I'm good with that.
--
C'est bon
Soloman
Roger Merriman
cyclintom
2025-01-11 00:11:25 UTC
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Post by pothead
Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
I've rode the TGV and it was quite impressive. The rail system in Europe
is so far superior to the antiquated crap we have here in US it's not even
in the same league.
--
pothead
"Give a man a fish and you turn him into a Democrat for life"
"Teach a man to fish and he might become a self-sufficient conservative Republican"
"Don't underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up,"
--- Barack H. Obama
Yes, our railroads are indeed ancient. But we are a free enterprize system and instead, we have commercial airlines that fly to every major city not just in this country hut everywhere on Earth. In the US the States have built highways that allow you to fly to a big city and then rent an automobile and drive to any smaller city you like in less time that the total trip could be taken on any train system.
cyclintom
2025-01-11 00:05:54 UTC
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Post by Frank Krygowski
... the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'm wondering how other countries have done this. We rode the TGV in
France. It was very impressive. I've talked to folks who used Japan's
high speed rail and were very impressed.
Europe is somewhat unique since they have river valleys that provide ways to bypass the mountains. Japan is the same. This means that high speed rails are a pretty good idea.

California is NOT like that and not even to mention that no high speed rail system could be built that wouldn't pass over Earthquake faults of a serious nature. This was nothing more than a scheme to pzy off campaign contributors.
cyclintom
2025-01-11 00:00:29 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 07:03:48 -0500, zen cycle
Post by zen cycle
Post by Hug a tree
The only thing in Hollywood's favor is that they have a reservoir.
The Hollywood Reservoir hold much water because it's probably unsafe.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Reservoir#Geography>
"The reservoir has a capacity of 7,900 acre-feet..."
"In 1931, the LADWP made the decision to permanently keep the
Hollywood Reservoir lowered, and keep it to no more than 4,000
acre-feet (4,900,000 m3). The reservoir now is usually maintained at
about 2,800 acre-feet (3,500,000 m3)."
Post by zen cycle
The fires were caused by jewish space lasers controlled by the black
pope!!! They are the same ones that formulated graphene particles in the
covid vaccines to allow mind control through the 5G network!!!
https://indepthnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/COVID-Report-from-Rep.-Weyler-3.pdf
Not Jewish. The space lasers were intended to be used by PG&E to
clear room for the high speed rail project. I read it on the internet
"Marjorie Taylor Greene Blamed Wildfires on Secret Jewish Space Laser"
<https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html>
"Forests don?t just catch fire, you know. Rather, the blazes had been
started by PG&E, in conjunction with the Rothschilds, using a space
laser, in order to clear room for a high-speed rail project."
That can't be true.
I read it on the internet so it must be true.
Post by AMuzi
Nothing on this earth will speed California's high speed
rail project.
Seventeen years on, the first track is being laid. The $33
billion system is now estimated at $135 billion (the smart
money would bet that it goes much higher).
There's still no plan to actually extend it into SF or into LA.
Very true. However, the other high speed rail projects didn't do much
"Case Study V: California High-Speed Rail"
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/oertgreentransport/chapter/chapter-7-case-study-v-california-high-speed-rail/>
<https://uta.pressbooks.pub/app/uploads/sites/131/2022/09/Tbl3-e1664395162274.png>
I haven't checked, but methinks that a large percentage of the time
"High Speed Rail Litigation"
<https://www.planetizen.com/tag/high-speed-rail-litigation>
I'll just wait for VTOL aircraft, personal helicopter commuting, jet
packs, inflatable automobiles for easy parking, rocket mail,
self-balancing Segway scooters, vacuum trains, maglev trains, cheap
energy storage, and other science fiction dreams. Real-soon-now.
Post by AMuzi
It's often said that cancer is like poverty in that more
people live off them than die from them. Similarly, this
project may actually be an example of perpetual life, albeit
in a zombie state of promising completion "soon, but not
this year".
https://www.sfexaminer.com/news/state/first-tracks-laid-in-california-high-speed-rail-project/article_d2533dff-6731-5802-b394-b501c95c0892.html
https://www.hoover.org/research/californias-high-speed-rail-was-fantasy-its-inception
The man who pays noi taxes excuses tax waste.
Rolf Mantel
2025-01-10 12:14:43 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 07:03:48 -0500, zen cycle
Post by Hug a tree
The only thing in Hollywood's favor is that they have a reservoir.
The Hollywood Reservoir hold much water because it's probably unsafe.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Reservoir#Geography>
"The reservoir has a capacity of 7,900 acre-feet..."
"In 1931, the LADWP made the decision to permanently keep the
Hollywood Reservoir lowered, and keep it to no more than 4,000
acre-feet (4,900,000 m3). The reservoir now is usually maintained at
about 2,800 acre-feet (3,500,000 m3)."
  The fires were caused by jewish space lasers controlled by the black
pope!!! They are the same ones that formulated graphene particles in the
covid vaccines to allow mind control through the 5G network!!!
https://indepthnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/COVID-Report-from-
Rep.-Weyler-3.pdf
Not Jewish.  The space lasers were intended to be used by PG&E to
clear room for the high speed rail project.  I read it on the internet
"Marjorie Taylor Greene Blamed Wildfires on Secret Jewish Space Laser"
<https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-
wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html>
"Forests don’t just catch fire, you know. Rather, the blazes had been
started by PG&E, in conjunction with the Rothschilds, using a space
laser, in order to clear room for a high-speed rail project."
That can't be true.
Nothing on this earth will speed California's high speed rail project.
Seventeen years on, the first track is being laid. The $33 billion
system is now estimated at $135 billion (the smart money would bet that
it goes much higher).
This is very typical for new rail projects in Democracies even with an
extremely good business plan.

Planning started to brige the biggest bottleneck in the German rail
system in 1993.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt%E2%80%93Mannheim_high-speed_railway>

The "final route alignment" was approved around 2022. Maybe in 2030,
the money will be found to start laying track...

Rolf
cyclintom
2025-01-10 22:20:08 UTC
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Post by Rolf Mantel
Post by AMuzi
Post by Shadow
On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 07:03:48 -0500, zen cycle
Post by Hug a tree
The only thing in Hollywood's favor is that they have a reservoir.
The Hollywood Reservoir hold much water because it's probably unsafe.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_Reservoir#Geography>
"The reservoir has a capacity of 7,900 acre-feet..."
"In 1931, the LADWP made the decision to permanently keep the
Hollywood Reservoir lowered, and keep it to no more than 4,000
acre-feet (4,900,000 m3). The reservoir now is usually maintained at
about 2,800 acre-feet (3,500,000 m3)."
The fires were caused by jewish space lasers controlled by the black
pope!!! They are the same ones that formulated graphene particles in the
covid vaccines to allow mind control through the 5G network!!!
https://indepthnh.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/COVID-Report-from-
Rep.-Weyler-3.pdf
Not Jewish. The space lasers were intended to be used by PG&E to
clear room for the high speed rail project. I read it on the internet
"Marjorie Taylor Greene Blamed Wildfires on Secret Jewish Space Laser"
<https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/marjorie-taylor-greene-qanon-
wildfires-space-laser-rothschild-execute.html>
"Forests don?t just catch fire, you know. Rather, the blazes had been
started by PG&E, in conjunction with the Rothschilds, using a space
laser, in order to clear room for a high-speed rail project."
That can't be true.
Nothing on this earth will speed California's high speed rail project.
Seventeen years on, the first track is being laid. The $33 billion
system is now estimated at $135 billion (the smart money would bet that
it goes much higher).
This is very typical for new rail projects in Democracies even with an
extremely good business plan.
Planning started to brige the biggest bottleneck in the German rail
system in 1993.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt%E2%80%93Mannheim_high-speed_railway>
The "final route alignment" was approved around 2022. Maybe in 2030,
the money will be found to start laying track...
Rolf, California isn't like Europe. There WAS no business plan. The two major cities in California are San Francisco and LA. There was NEVER any business plan to connect those two cities at all. As of today, after more than 4 years, the rail base was changed from a wide stable bed to normal rail spacing that would NOT allow the 200 mph speeds hyped to finance this and right now after project costs have quintupled, 16 miles of rail have been laid.

ALL California cities are connected by commercial airlines which get you there in a less than half the time and for CHEAPER than the projected rail ticket costs. I am very pro-railroad but this has been a fiasco from the start.
Adrian Dittman
2025-01-10 21:36:19 UTC
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Post by Hug a tree
A new fire has broken out in Hollywood Hills near LA.
After what God has done to Florida and Texas with natural disasters every
year it's starting to appear that our Dear Lord hates whites, especially
American ones.


It's punishment for Trump.
cyclintom
2025-01-11 22:17:58 UTC
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Post by Adrian Dittman
Post by Hug a tree
A new fire has broken out in Hollywood Hills near LA.
After what God has done to Florida and Texas with natural disasters every
year it's starting to appear that our Dear Lord hates whites, especially
American ones.
It's punishment for Trump.
Then why was Jesus white? Why are the overwhelming number of crimes committed by blackx despite them being only 16% of the population? When I grew up the blacks were the most respectable, what happened? Of course when I grew up crime was very low in California. Jerry Brown put an end to that.
AMuzi
2025-01-12 16:36:09 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Adrian Dittman
Post by Hug a tree
A new fire has broken out in Hollywood Hills near LA.
After what God has done to Florida and Texas with natural disasters every
year it's starting to appear that our Dear Lord hates whites, especially
American ones.
It's punishment for Trump.
Then why was Jesus white? Why are the overwhelming number of crimes committed by blackx despite them being only 16% of the population? When I grew up the blacks were the most respectable, what happened? Of course when I grew up crime was very low in California. Jerry Brown put an end to that.
heh heh. When?

Until recently, Italians, Sicilians and Jews were not
considered 'white'.
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
cyclintom
2025-01-17 21:17:14 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
Post by Adrian Dittman
Post by Hug a tree
A new fire has broken out in Hollywood Hills near LA.
After what God has done to Florida and Texas with natural disasters every
year it's starting to appear that our Dear Lord hates whites, especially
American ones.
It's punishment for Trump.
Then why was Jesus white? Why are the overwhelming number of crimes committed by blackx despite them being only 16% of the population? When I grew up the blacks were the most respectable, what happened? Of course when I grew up crime was very low in California. Jerry Brown put an end to that.
heh heh. When?
Until recently, Italians, Sicilians and Jews were not
considered 'white'.
True, but "considered" doesn't mean anything. I wasn't considered to be white. I was Croatian on one side and Austrian Jew on the other.
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