Machine Shop

Post by Tom Kunich
How much mental capacity does it take to think for one second about
machine shops on Air Force Bases?
A machine shop would be absolutely useless unless they had complete
technical specifications for every part. A bombing computer had over
50,000 GEARS in it aside from an X-Y rack. The Navigation Computer more.
You could NOI build radar parts in a machine shop since they had to be
built to precise inside measurements of the waveguides.
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air Force Base has a
machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the Air Force or not
because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How credible had Frank,
Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.

Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!

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cyclintom

2024-09-13 18:52:54 UTC

And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.
Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

Roger Merriman

2024-09-13 19:36:30 UTC

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

I thought navy ships did have machine shops, certainly capital type ships,
clearly will not be able to make all things, but being fairly self reliant
seems wise.

Roger Merriman

AMuzi

2024-09-13 20:44:06 UTC

Post by Roger Merriman

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

I thought navy ships did have machine shops, certainly capital type ships,
clearly will not be able to make all things, but being fairly self reliant
seems wise.
Roger Merriman

That's exactly right. Royal Navy, USN, RAF, USAF, whatever.

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cyclintom

2024-09-14 14:43:30 UTC

Post by Roger Merriman

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

I thought navy ships did have machine shops, certainly capital type ships,
clearly will not be able to make all things, but being fairly self reliant
seems wise.
Roger Merriman

I don't know anhthing about the Navy but certainly they had the room to have a machine shop but WHAT do they use it for? What part of a jet fighter or fighter bomber can be machined in a shop? What part of a nuclear propulsion system can be machined on a 3 foot lathe?

AMuzi

2024-09-14 15:52:40 UTC

Post by Roger Merriman

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

I thought navy ships did have machine shops, certainly capital type ships,
clearly will not be able to make all things, but being fairly self reliant
seems wise.
Roger Merriman

Navy ships have had machine shops since steam.

Right. Nobody's making a nuclear containment vessel onboard.

Ships are large and complex, with regular ongoing
failures/maintenance/repairs of all sorts.

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AMuzi

2024-09-13 20:37:39 UTC

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

[raises hand]
Exchange engine. Just as the airlines do:

Loading Image...

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cyclintom

2024-09-14 14:39:39 UTC

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

[raises hand]
https://c7.alamy.com/comp/2M5AC8M/a-jet-engine-sits-on-a-maintenance-stand-at-misawa-air-base-japan-feb-15-2022-the-35th-maintenance-squadron-propulsion-flight-is-a-centralized-intermediate-repair-facility-for-multiple-air-bases-2M5AC8M.jpg
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You just showed why none of the hases I was on had machine shops;.Now perhaps the bases John was on did have machine shops since he is MUCH older than I am and his planes useed pistorn engines rebuilding of which do things like refacing pistons and boring piston holexs. But his claim to machine shops being on aoll Air Force bases is based on nothing more than HIS experiencces. And please remember that he was NOT and Air Force machinist or A&P mechanic so his claims are nothing more than vague rumors of a 90 year old+ retired Crew Chief.

You might as well be talking to Krygowsiki who knows nothing at all about the military.

AMuzi

2024-09-14 14:46:29 UTC

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

You just showed why none of the hases I was on had machine shops;.Now perhaps the bases John was on did have machine shops since he is MUCH older than I am and his planes useed pistorn engines rebuilding of which do things like refacing pistons and boring piston holexs. But his claim to machine shops being on aoll Air Force bases is based on nothing more than HIS experiencces. And please remember that he was NOT and Air Force machinist or A&P mechanic so his claims are nothing more than vague rumors of a 90 year old+ retired Crew Chief.
You might as well be talking to Krygowsiki who knows nothing at all about the military.

Just as with airlines, engines are not rebuilt on site. They
are exchanged as a complete unit. I linked to a bunch of
spare engines at a USAF base in Japan for example, looks
just like an airline maintenance shop at any major civilian
airport.

I know an aircraft engine rebuilder well. That's an intense
two year program (starting with prior auto engine skills)
with FAA certification/testing and, just like physicians,
requires regular updating and testing to maintain
certification. And that's merely for civilian aircraft
engines! This is not practical in the field but rather is
done (for large engines such as USAF and airlines) at
dedicated facilities with clean rooms and precision tooling.

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

cyclintom

2024-09-17 20:32:06 UTC

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

You just showed why none of the hases I was on had machine shops;.Now perhaps the bases John was on did have machine shops since he is MUCH older than I am and his planes useed pistorn engines rebuilding of which do things like refacing pistons and boring piston holexs. But his claim to machine shops being on aoll Air Force bases is based on nothing more than HIS experiencces. And please remember that he was NOT and Air Force machinist or A&P mechanic so his claims are nothing more than vague rumors of a 90 year old+ retired Crew Chief.
You might as well be talking to Krygowsiki who knows nothing at all about the military.

Just as with airlines, engines are not rebuilt on site. They
are exchanged as a complete unit. I linked to a bunch of
spare engines at a USAF base in Japan for example, looks
just like an airline maintenance shop at any major civilian
airport.
I know an aircraft engine rebuilder well. That's an intense
two year program (starting with prior auto engine skills)
with FAA certification/testing and, just like physicians,
requires regular updating and testing to maintain
certification. And that's merely for civilian aircraft
engines! This is not practical in the field but rather is
done (for large engines such as USAF and airlines) at
dedicated facilities with clean rooms and precision tooling.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

This was my point. Thr Air Force couldn't have cared less that John put in an extra two years getting an A&P certification. I don't much care for his claim that he was a qualied machinist for the simple reason that how the hell old was he when he entered the service? If he had a high school diploma that is 18 years old. An A&P is two years minimum. That makes him 20 years old. A machinist certification is usually two years as well but if he was unusually good he could get away with a year.

This makes him 21 years old when he entered the service and the Air Force doesn't like enlisting men in their 20's because they are too hard headed by then and you can't get them to obey orders.

The entire point that rather than an aircraft technician (mechanic) they made him a crew chief shows that the Air Force doesn't fix things - they REPLACE THEM. This is especially true of jet aircraft where airframes repairable only at depot. Engines are repairable only at special facilities with clearances in the engines of a couple of thousanths.

AMuzi

2024-09-17 20:56:57 UTC

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

You just showed why none of the hases I was on had machine shops;.Now perhaps the bases John was on did have machine shops since he is MUCH older than I am and his planes useed pistorn engines rebuilding of which do things like refacing pistons and boring piston holexs. But his claim to machine shops being on aoll Air Force bases is based on nothing more than HIS experiencces. And please remember that he was NOT and Air Force machinist or A&P mechanic so his claims are nothing more than vague rumors of a 90 year old+ retired Crew Chief.
You might as well be talking to Krygowsiki who knows nothing at all about the military.

Just as with airlines, engines are not rebuilt on site. They
are exchanged as a complete unit. I linked to a bunch of
spare engines at a USAF base in Japan for example, looks
just like an airline maintenance shop at any major civilian
airport.
I know an aircraft engine rebuilder well. That's an intense
two year program (starting with prior auto engine skills)
with FAA certification/testing and, just like physicians,
requires regular updating and testing to maintain
certification. And that's merely for civilian aircraft
engines! This is not practical in the field but rather is
done (for large engines such as USAF and airlines) at
dedicated facilities with clean rooms and precision tooling.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

This was my point. Thr Air Force couldn't have cared less that John put in an extra two years getting an A&P certification. I don't much care for his claim that he was a qualied machinist for the simple reason that how the hell old was he when he entered the service? If he had a high school diploma that is 18 years old. An A&P is two years minimum. That makes him 20 years old. A machinist certification is usually two years as well but if he was unusually good he could get away with a year.
This makes him 21 years old when he entered the service and the Air Force doesn't like enlisting men in their 20's because they are too hard headed by then and you can't get them to obey orders.
The entire point that rather than an aircraft technician (mechanic) they made him a crew chief shows that the Air Force doesn't fix things - they REPLACE THEM. This is especially true of jet aircraft where airframes repairable only at depot. Engines are repairable only at special facilities with clearances in the engines of a couple of thousanths.

OK I'll try just one last time.

Aircraft need myriad ongoing constant repair and
maintenance. Need. Just as any other machinery or vehicle.

And of all the tens of thousands of bits and pieces, jet
engines are not made by the aircraft designer/builder.
Engines are built by engine specialists (GE, Pratt etc) and
are commonly rebuilt on an exchange basis by the engine
builder, not by airlines not in the military.

Everything else except engines needs regular inspection
maintenance and repair, That's why USAF bases, like
commercial airports, have maintenance facilities, supported
by parts inventory. Where other problems arise, and they
do, both also have repair facilities supported by machine shops.

Nobody is rebuilding USAF jet engines at Truax Field nor
Navy jet engines at Yokohama. They simply, just like the
airlines do every day, exchange a jet engine as a complete unit.

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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

cyclintom

2024-09-17 22:17:37 UTC

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

You just showed why none of the hases I was on had machine shops;.Now perhaps the bases John was on did have machine shops since he is MUCH older than I am and his planes useed pistorn engines rebuilding of which do things like refacing pistons and boring piston holexs. But his claim to machine shops being on aoll Air Force bases is based on nothing more than HIS experiencces. And please remember that he was NOT and Air Force machinist or A&P mechanic so his claims are nothing more than vague rumors of a 90 year old+ retired Crew Chief.
You might as well be talking to Krygowsiki who knows nothing at all about the military.

Just as with airlines, engines are not rebuilt on site. They
are exchanged as a complete unit. I linked to a bunch of
spare engines at a USAF base in Japan for example, looks
just like an airline maintenance shop at any major civilian
airport.
I know an aircraft engine rebuilder well. That's an intense
two year program (starting with prior auto engine skills)
with FAA certification/testing and, just like physicians,
requires regular updating and testing to maintain
certification. And that's merely for civilian aircraft
engines! This is not practical in the field but rather is
done (for large engines such as USAF and airlines) at
dedicated facilities with clean rooms and precision tooling.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

This was my point. Thr Air Force couldn't have cared less that John put in an extra two years getting an A&P certification. I don't much care for his claim that he was a qualied machinist for the simple reason that how the hell old was he when he entered the service? If he had a high school diploma that is 18 years old. An A&P is two years minimum. That makes him 20 years old. A machinist certification is usually two years as well but if he was unusually good he could get away with a year.
This makes him 21 years old when he entered the service and the Air Force doesn't like enlisting men in their 20's because they are too hard headed by then and you can't get them to obey orders.
The entire point that rather than an aircraft technician (mechanic) they made him a crew chief shows that the Air Force doesn't fix things - they REPLACE THEM. This is especially true of jet aircraft where airframes repairable only at depot. Engines are repairable only at special facilities with clearances in the engines of a couple of thousanths.

OK I'll try just one last time.
Aircraft need myriad ongoing constant repair and
maintenance. Need. Just as any other machinery or vehicle.
And of all the tens of thousands of bits and pieces, jet
engines are not made by the aircraft designer/builder.
Engines are built by engine specialists (GE, Pratt etc) and
are commonly rebuilt on an exchange basis by the engine
builder, not by airlines not in the military.
Everything else except engines needs regular inspection
maintenance and repair, That's why USAF bases, like
commercial airports, have maintenance facilities, supported
by parts inventory. Where other problems arise, and they
do, both also have repair facilities supported by machine shops.
Nobody is rebuilding USAF jet engines at Truax Field nor
Navy jet engines at Yokohama. They simply, just like the
airlines do every day, exchange a jet engine as a complete unit.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I agree with you to the point where you believe that there is something on modern aircraft that can be maintained or repaired in a machine shop. John was crew chief on the LAST Air Force plane where that may have been possible. And they didn't put him in a machine shop. This is no comment on his abilities, but the Air Force doesn't do things that way.

Frank Krygowski

2024-09-18 02:14:02 UTC

Post by cyclintom
I agree with you to the point where you believe that there is something on modern aircraft that can be maintained or repaired in a machine shop.

Wow. SMH.

--
- Frank Krygowski

cyclintom

2024-09-18 19:50:28 UTC

Post by cyclintom
I agree with you to the point where you believe that there is something on modern aircraft that can be maintained or repaired in a machine shop.

Wow. SMH.
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- Frank Krygowski

There you go yet again. According to Krygowski they did make Slocomb a machinist,

John B.

2024-09-15 01:21:59 UTC

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

You just showed why none of the hases

I was on had machine shops;.

Well, as I have mentioned three machinists from the base I was
stationed Barksdale AFB were TDY to Guiam when you were.

Now perhaps the bases John was on did have machine shops since he is
MUCH older than I am and his planes useed pistorn engines rebuilding
of which do things like refacing pistons and boring piston holexs.

No such work is done at base level in the Air Force.

But his claim to machine shops being on all Air Force bases is based
on nothing more than HIS experiencces

Yup, 20 years experience. As opposed to your 4.

And please remember that he was NOT and Air Force machinist or A&P
mechanic so his claims are nothing more than vague rumors of a 90 year
old+ retired Crew Chief.

Wrong again. I was a Crew Chief for some months toward the last of my
stay in Japan. Then I returned to the U.S. (Bangor Maine) and worked
as an engine mechanic in the last Reciep engine tanker squadron. Then
was transferred to Bareksdale and moved into the Machine shop and
staid a machinist until I retired..

--
Cheers,

John B.

cyclintom

2024-09-18 19:53:59 UTC

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

You just showed why none of the hases

I was on had machine shops;.
Well, as I have mentioned three machinists from the base I was
stationed Barksdale AFB were TDY to Guiam when you were.
Now perhaps the bases John was on did have machine shops since he is
MUCH older than I am and his planes useed pistorn engines rebuilding
of which do things like refacing pistons and boring piston holexs.
No such work is done at base level in the Air Force.
But his claim to machine shops being on all Air Force bases is based
on nothing more than HIS experiencces
Yup, 20 years experience. As opposed to your 4.
And please remember that he was NOT and Air Force machinist or A&P
mechanic so his claims are nothing more than vague rumors of a 90 year
old+ retired Crew Chief.
Wrong again. I was a Crew Chief for some months toward the last of my
stay in Japan. Then I returned to the U.S. (Bangor Maine) and worked
as an engine mechanic in the last Reciep engine tanker squadron. Then
was transferred to Bareksdale and moved into the Machine shop and
staid a machinist until I retired..
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Cheers,
John B.

John, just out of curiosity, did it ever occur to you that machinests can do other things than maintain jet engines of monocoque aircraft frames?

There are a LOT of other things on Air Force Bases than aircraft.

John B.

2024-09-14 06:06:13 UTC

Navy ships away from port have to make do. How do you machine a turbofan for a jet engine?

You are slowly but surely convincing me that you were never in the Air
Force - maybe you were one of those "run to Canada" lot?

You see Tommy if you have problem with a turbo fan you call the
"Engine Shop" and they come and change it.

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Cheers,

John B.

Jeff Liebermann

2024-09-14 00:07:13 UTC

Post by AMuzi
And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.
Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!

Why USAF has their own machine shops:

"Boeing machinists go on strike after rejecting contract"
<https://www.npr.org/2024/09/13/nx-s1-5110310/boeing-machinists-union-strike>

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Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff Liebermann

2024-09-15 16:20:17 UTC

Post by AMuzi
And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.
Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!

"Boeing machinists go on strike after rejecting contract"
<https://www.npr.org/2024/09/13/nx-s1-5110310/boeing-machinists-union-strike>

US Air Force and Army fabrication shops.

"U.S. Air Force Fabrication Flight"

"Air Force maintainers are dedicated to keeping planes in service as
long as possible. Air Force Staff Sgt. Anthony Kuhn tells us about one
flight of Airmen that is ready to repair of construct new parts for
any aircraft."

More on the 380th Fabrication Flight:
<https://www.afcent.af.mil/News/Features/Display/Article/501237/fabrication-flight-details-multi-faceted-mission/>
"The Airmen of the 380th Maintenance Squadron's Fabrication Flight
pride themselves on being able to repair all structural damage to
380th Air Expeditionary Wing aircraft."

"U.S. Army Machine Shop @ Kandahar Airfield, Afghanistan"

(2:37)
"This is a package of a fabrication shop (machine shop) located at
Kandahar Airfield Afghanistan that uses allied trades specialists (MOS
91E) to fabricate essential parts and make repairs to help support the
B-Company 563rd Aviation Support Battalion 1-5-9th Combat Aviation
Brigade out of Fort Campbell, Ky."

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Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

cyclintom

2024-09-15 20:22:00 UTC

Post by AMuzi
And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.
Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!

"Boeing machinists go on strike after rejecting contract"
<https://www.npr.org/2024/09/13/nx-s1-5110310/boeing-machinists-union-strike>

US Air Force and Army fabrication shops.
"U.S. Air Force Fabrication Flight"
http://youtu.be/Ymlcry9Hd9Y
"Air Force maintainers are dedicated to keeping planes in service as
long as possible. Air Force Staff Sgt. Anthony Kuhn tells us about one
flight of Airmen that is ready to repair of construct new parts for
any aircraft."
<https://www.afcent.af.mil/News/Features/Display/Article/501237/fabrication-flight-details-multi-faceted-mission/>
"The Airmen of the 380th Maintenance Squadron's Fabrication Flight
pride themselves on being able to repair all structural damage to
380th Air Expeditionary Wing aircraft."
http://youtu.be/UyiIkb4pfls (2:37)
"This is a package of a fabrication shop (machine shop) located at
Kandahar Airfield Afghanistan that uses allied trades specialists (MOS
91E) to fabricate essential parts and make repairs to help support the
B-Company 563rd Aviation Support Battalion 1-5-9th Combat Aviation
Brigade out of Fort Campbell, Ky."
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Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Why do you suppoxs they said that this was repair of the last resort? You cannot build a part without the specifications of that part - the size, shape and material down to fine detail. Liebermann shows this bullshit because he himself knows nothing abot it. Turning a plug on a lathe is not technologically advanced repair. But since Liebermann doesn't know anything aboujt it. He can present his highly intelligent view of things that he knows nothing about. His entire career in a nutshell.

AMuzi

2024-09-15 20:42:51 UTC

Post by AMuzi
And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.
Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!

"Boeing machinists go on strike after rejecting contract"
<https://www.npr.org/2024/09/13/nx-s1-5110310/boeing-machinists-union-strike>

I suppose that proof of your argument is that all the USAF
aircraft have fallen from the skies. I may have missed that.

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cyclintom

2024-09-16 15:54:13 UTC

Post by AMuzi
And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.
Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!

"Boeing machinists go on strike after rejecting contract"
<https://www.npr.org/2024/09/13/nx-s1-5110310/boeing-machinists-union-strike>

I suppose that proof of your argument is that all the USAF
aircraft have fallen from the skies. I may have missed that.
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Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new. Why are you insisting that the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops> Let's say that you have a B50 - these were never used enough to wear anything out but suppose that the engine needed rebuilding? A technician COULD remove the radisal cylinders and a machine shop COULD bore the cyclingers out. But what do they do then? It would require brand new pistons and rings. These could NOT be produced in a machine shop outside of the factory because the lower parts of the piston are not round. For that matter the piston pona are extremely criticzal in an engine that developes 2400 horsepower.

The reason that you are not seeing Air Force planes dropping out of the air is because of the lie that they are being repaired in machine shops. Please stop that as if it were sensible.

Frank Krygowski

2024-09-16 18:29:04 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new.

I posted a counterexample, showing the Air Force does sometimes machine
parts themselves.

Post by cyclintom
Why are you insisting that the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops>

Because it's true.

I can't imagine running any large operation that's dependent on
mechanical devices without having a machine shop. Would you run a
factory that way?

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- Frank Krygowski

Zen Cycle

2024-09-16 18:36:59 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE PARTS
THEMSELVES. They replace with new.

I posted a counterexample, showing the Air Force does sometimes machine
parts themselves.

Post by cyclintom
Why are you insisting that the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops>

Because it's true.
I can't imagine running any large operation that's dependent on
mechanical devices without having a machine shop. Would you run a
factory that way?

LOL...trying to imagine a factory run by tommy...

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cyclintom

2024-09-16 21:09:50 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE PARTS
THEMSELVES. They replace with new.

I posted a counterexample, showing the Air Force does sometimes machine
parts themselves.

Post by cyclintom
Why are you insisting that the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops>

Because it's true.
I can't imagine running any large operation that's dependent on
mechanical devices without having a machine shop. Would you run a
factory that way?

LOL...trying to imagine a factory run by tommy...
http://youtu.be/6n9ESFJTnHs
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Add xx to reply

I'm trying to imagine a company paying you to play on the internet all day long. You must really be consciencious about your job. Flunky-on-the-spot.

Zen Cycle

2024-09-16 21:16:48 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE PARTS
THEMSELVES. They replace with new.

I posted a counterexample, showing the Air Force does sometimes machine
parts themselves.

Post by cyclintom
Why are you insisting that the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops>

Because it's true.
I can't imagine running any large operation that's dependent on
mechanical devices without having a machine shop. Would you run a
factory that way?

LOL...trying to imagine a factory run by tommy...
http://youtu.be/6n9ESFJTnHs
--
Add xx to reply

I'm trying to imagine a company paying you to play on the internet all day long.

They hardly refer to my research as 'play'.

Post by cyclintom
You must really be consciencious about your job.

I am, as my raises and promotion clearly indicate.

Post by cyclintom
Flunky-on-the-spot.

drunk-assed little bitch

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cyclintom

2024-09-16 21:32:47 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE PARTS
THEMSELVES. They replace with new.

I posted a counterexample, showing the Air Force does sometimes machine
parts themselves.

Post by cyclintom
Why are you insisting that the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops>

Because it's true.
I can't imagine running any large operation that's dependent on
mechanical devices without having a machine shop. Would you run a
factory that way?

LOL...trying to imagine a factory run by tommy...
http://youtu.be/6n9ESFJTnHs
--
Add xx to reply

I'm trying to imagine a company paying you to play on the internet all day long.

They hardly refer to my research as 'play'.

Post by cyclintom
You must really be consciencious about your job.

I am, as my raises and promotion clearly indicate.

Post by cyclintom
Flunky-on-the-spot.

drunk-assed little bitch
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So you tell them you're spending all day "researching on the ainternet"? What? How to pass off bullshit like you know how to program which would put you in a job making 4 times what your presently making?

Zen Cycle

2024-09-16 21:37:48 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE PARTS
THEMSELVES. They replace with new.

I posted a counterexample, showing the Air Force does sometimes machine
parts themselves.

Post by cyclintom
Why are you insisting that the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops>

Because it's true.
I can't imagine running any large operation that's dependent on
mechanical devices without having a machine shop. Would you run a
factory that way?

LOL...trying to imagine a factory run by tommy...
http://youtu.be/6n9ESFJTnHs
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I'm trying to imagine a company paying you to play on the internet all day long.

They hardly refer to my research as 'play'.

Post by cyclintom
You must really be consciencious about your job.

I am, as my raises and promotion clearly indicate.

Post by cyclintom
Flunky-on-the-spot.

drunk-assed little bitch
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So you tell them you're spending all day "researching on the ainternet"? What?

No, I produce reports, compatibility matrices and studies, root-cause
failure-analysis....the list goes on. Work output requires evidence.
This might be why you could never keep a job.

Post by cyclintom
How to pass off bullshit like you know how to program which would put you in a job making 4 times what your presently making?

Our CEO doesn't make 4 times what I'm making. Double, maybe...

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cyclintom

2024-09-16 21:06:05 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new.

I posted a counterexample, showing the Air Force does sometimes machine
parts themselves.

Post by cyclintom
Why are you insisting that the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops>

Because it's true.
I can't imagine running any large operation that's dependent on
mechanical devices without having a machine shop. Would you run a
factory that way?
--
- Frank Krygowski

You showed nothing but a dowel being turned and that is the extent of your understanding of "machining". When are you ever going to learn?

AMuzi

2024-09-16 22:40:59 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new.

I posted a counterexample, showing the Air Force does sometimes machine
parts themselves.

Post by cyclintom
Why are you insisting that the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops>

Because it's true.
I can't imagine running any large operation that's dependent on
mechanical devices without having a machine shop. Would you run a
factory that way?
--
- Frank Krygowski

You showed nothing but a dowel being turned and that is the extent of your understanding of "machining". When are you ever going to learn?

Because on 'picture day' whatever is in the lathe gets
photographed. In a photo, you can't see if it's a simple
pin or a precision bearing shaft or what.

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

cyclintom

2024-09-18 20:21:04 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new.

I posted a counterexample, showing the Air Force does sometimes machine
parts themselves.

Post by cyclintom
Why are you insisting that the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops>

Because it's true.
I can't imagine running any large operation that's dependent on
mechanical devices without having a machine shop. Would you run a
factory that way?
--
- Frank Krygowski

You showed nothing but a dowel being turned and that is the extent of your understanding of "machining". When are you ever going to learn?

Because on 'picture day' whatever is in the lathe gets
photographed. In a photo, you can't see if it's a simple
pin or a precision bearing shaft or what.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

That's because the only difference is the accuracy of the pin. I have a large sore on my ankle where it hit the 105 non-drive side crank nub that is too large because the material is too cheap. A Dura Ace or Ultegra aren't that way.

Frank Krygowski

2024-09-17 01:48:34 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new.

I posted a counterexample, showing the Air Force does sometimes machine
parts themselves.

Post by cyclintom
Why are you insisting that the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops>

Because it's true.
I can't imagine running any large operation that's dependent on
mechanical devices without having a machine shop. Would you run a
factory that way?
--
- Frank Krygowski

You showed nothing but a dowel being turned and that is the extent of your understanding of "machining". When are you ever going to learn?

Nope. This is the part that was made in the base machine shop.
Loading Image...

That's not a lathe product.

That photo was linked in the the article. It may not have been clear to
you, since they had it among five photos that showed as a continuous
sequence.

Here's the article again:
https://www.youngstown.afrc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/972436/maintainers-ingenuity-saves-air-force-money-time/

Note that they also use their own equipment for non=destructive testing.

--
- Frank Krygowski

cyclintom

2024-09-18 20:17:29 UTC

Post by cyclintom
Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new.

I posted a counterexample, showing the Air Force does sometimes machine
parts themselves.

Post by cyclintom
Why are you insisting that the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops>

Because it's true.
I can't imagine running any large operation that's dependent on
mechanical devices without having a machine shop. Would you run a
factory that way?
--
- Frank Krygowski

You showed nothing but a dowel being turned and that is the extent of your understanding of "machining". When are you ever going to learn?

Nope. This is the part that was made in the base machine shop.
https://media.defense.gov/2016/Oct/12/2001646553/1200/1200/0/161006-F-YC822-004.JPG
That's not a lathe product.
That photo was linked in the the article. It may not have been clear to
you, since they had it among five photos that showed as a continuous
sequence.
https://www.youngstown.afrc.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/972436/maintainers-ingenuity-saves-air-force-money-time/
Note that they also use their own equipment for non=destructive testing.
--
- Frank Krygowski

THAT is a cast part that was machined.

John B.

2024-09-16 19:10:23 UTC

Post by AMuzi
And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.
Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!

"Boeing machinists go on strike after rejecting contract"
<https://www.npr.org/2024/09/13/nx-s1-5110310/boeing-machinists-union-strike>

Well Tommy, with a standard lathe as found in nearly every A.F.machine
shop was possible to work to tolerances of 1/10th of 1/000of an inch
tolerance. That ISSN technological?

But since Liebermann doesn't know anything aboujt it. He can present
his highly intelligent view of things that he knows nothing about. His
entire career in a nutshell.

Post by AMuzi
I suppose that proof of your argument is that all the USAF
aircraft have fallen from the skies. I may have missed that.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE

PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new. Why are you insisting that
the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops> Let's say that you
have a B50 - these were never used enough to wear anything out but
suppose that the engine needed rebuilding? A technician COULD remove
the radisal cylinders and a machine shop COULD bore the cyclingers
out. But what do they do then? It would require brand new pistons and
rings. These could NOT be produced in a machine shop outside of the
factory because the lower parts of the piston are not round. For that
matter the piston pona are extremely criticzal in an engine that
developes 2400 horsepower.

The R-4360, a 28 cylinder 4 bank supercharged and turbo charged engine
put out as much as 4,300 HP in one version.
But your ignorance is showing. Aircraft engines weren't repaired in
the Machine shop :-) They were repaired in the Engine shop.

Post by cyclintom
The reason that you are not seeing Air Force planes dropping out

of the air is because of the lie that they are being repaired in
machine shops. Please stop that as if it were sensible.

--
Cheers,

John B.

cyclintom

2024-09-16 21:28:14 UTC

Post by AMuzi
And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.
Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!

"Boeing machinists go on strike after rejecting contract"
<https://www.npr.org/2024/09/13/nx-s1-5110310/boeing-machinists-union-strike>

Well Tommy, with a standard lathe as found in nearly every A.F.machine
shop was possible to work to tolerances of 1/10th of 1/000of an inch
tolerance. That ISSN technological?
But since Liebermann doesn't know anything aboujt it. He can present
his highly intelligent view of things that he knows nothing about. His
entire career in a nutshell.

Post by AMuzi
I suppose that proof of your argument is that all the USAF
aircraft have fallen from the skies. I may have missed that.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE

PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new. Why are you insisting that
the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops> Let's say that you
have a B50 - these were never used enough to wear anything out but
suppose that the engine needed rebuilding? A technician COULD remove
the radisal cylinders and a machine shop COULD bore the cyclingers
out. But what do they do then? It would require brand new pistons and
rings. These could NOT be produced in a machine shop outside of the
factory because the lower parts of the piston are not round. For that
matter the piston pona are extremely criticzal in an engine that
developes 2400 horsepower.
The R-4360, a 28 cylinder 4 bank supercharged and turbo charged engine
put out as much as 4,300 HP in one version.
But your ignorance is showing. Aircraft engines weren't repaired in
the Machine shop :-) They were repaired in the Engine shop.

Post by cyclintom
The reason that you are not seeing Air Force planes dropping out

of the air is because of the lie that they are being repaired in
machine shops. Please stop that as if it were sensible.
--
Cheers,
John B.

Inform everyone how that "standard" lath cuts ovals? 100 to 1 I'm a better machinist than you ever were. Do you want to take me up on that? And for the less skilled achieving .0001" is only possible if you are maticulous and are an expert in sharpening cutting tools and since John has never even mentioned that he is neither.

At what point does he stop trying to convince people that he knows what he is talking about? He makes 10 errors per posting. Flunky makes error after error and John doesn't correct hin. A technical shop is designed to have X number of grades which means that you can't get promoted unless somebody leaves. Imagine a shop with 22 Chief Master Sargants. Just how stupid can Flunky get and John remain silent?

Zen Cycle

2024-09-16 21:33:49 UTC

Post by AMuzi
And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.
Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!

"Boeing machinists go on strike after rejecting contract"
<https://www.npr.org/2024/09/13/nx-s1-5110310/boeing-machinists-union-strike>

Well Tommy, with a standard lathe as found in nearly every A.F.machine
shop was possible to work to tolerances of 1/10th of 1/000of an inch
tolerance. That ISSN technological?
But since Liebermann doesn't know anything aboujt it. He can present
his highly intelligent view of things that he knows nothing about. His
entire career in a nutshell.

Post by AMuzi
I suppose that proof of your argument is that all the USAF
aircraft have fallen from the skies. I may have missed that.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE

PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new. Why are you insisting that
the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops> Let's say that you
have a B50 - these were never used enough to wear anything out but
suppose that the engine needed rebuilding? A technician COULD remove
the radisal cylinders and a machine shop COULD bore the cyclingers
out. But what do they do then? It would require brand new pistons and
rings. These could NOT be produced in a machine shop outside of the
factory because the lower parts of the piston are not round. For that
matter the piston pona are extremely criticzal in an engine that
developes 2400 horsepower.
The R-4360, a 28 cylinder 4 bank supercharged and turbo charged engine
put out as much as 4,300 HP in one version.
But your ignorance is showing. Aircraft engines weren't repaired in
the Machine shop :-) They were repaired in the Engine shop.

Post by cyclintom
The reason that you are not seeing Air Force planes dropping out

of the air is because of the lie that they are being repaired in
machine shops. Please stop that as if it were sensible.
--
Cheers,
John B.

you very clearly haven't been paying attention.

Post by cyclintom
A technical shop is designed to have X number of grades which means that you can't get promoted unless somebody leaves.

More proof you were never promoted.

Post by cyclintom
Imagine a shop with 22 Chief Master Sargants. Just how stupid can Flunky get and John remain silent?

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AMuzi

2024-09-16 22:42:43 UTC

Post by AMuzi
And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.
Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!

"Boeing machinists go on strike after rejecting contract"
<https://www.npr.org/2024/09/13/nx-s1-5110310/boeing-machinists-union-strike>

Well Tommy, with a standard lathe as found in nearly every A.F.machine
shop was possible to work to tolerances of 1/10th of 1/000of an inch
tolerance. That ISSN technological?
But since Liebermann doesn't know anything aboujt it. He can present
his highly intelligent view of things that he knows nothing about. His
entire career in a nutshell.

Post by AMuzi
I suppose that proof of your argument is that all the USAF
aircraft have fallen from the skies. I may have missed that.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE

PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new. Why are you insisting that
the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops> Let's say that you
have a B50 - these were never used enough to wear anything out but
suppose that the engine needed rebuilding? A technician COULD remove
the radisal cylinders and a machine shop COULD bore the cyclingers
out. But what do they do then? It would require brand new pistons and
rings. These could NOT be produced in a machine shop outside of the
factory because the lower parts of the piston are not round. For that
matter the piston pona are extremely criticzal in an engine that
developes 2400 horsepower.
The R-4360, a 28 cylinder 4 bank supercharged and turbo charged engine
put out as much as 4,300 HP in one version.
But your ignorance is showing. Aircraft engines weren't repaired in
the Machine shop :-) They were repaired in the Engine shop.

Post by cyclintom
The reason that you are not seeing Air Force planes dropping out

of the air is because of the lie that they are being repaired in
machine shops. Please stop that as if it were sensible.
--
Cheers,
John B.

Inform everyone how that "standard" lath cuts ovals? 100 to 1 I'm a better machinist than you ever were. Do you want to take me up on that? And for the less skilled achieving .0001" is only possible if you are maticulous and are an expert in sharpening cutting tools and since John has never even mentioned that he is neither.
At what point does he stop trying to convince people that he knows what he is talking about? He makes 10 errors per posting. Flunky makes error after error and John doesn't correct hin. A technical shop is designed to have X number of grades which means that you can't get promoted unless somebody leaves. Imagine a shop with 22 Chief Master Sargants. Just how stupid can Flunky get and John remain silent?

Name an aircraft component with an oval cut. I'll wait.

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

John B.

2024-09-17 01:20:31 UTC

Post by AMuzi
And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.
Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!

"Boeing machinists go on strike after rejecting contract"
<https://www.npr.org/2024/09/13/nx-s1-5110310/boeing-machinists-union-strike>

Well Tommy, with a standard lathe as found in nearly every A.F.machine
shop was possible to work to tolerances of 1/10th of 1/000of an inch
tolerance. That ISSN technological?
But since Liebermann doesn't know anything aboujt it. He can present
his highly intelligent view of things that he knows nothing about. His
entire career in a nutshell.

Post by AMuzi
I suppose that proof of your argument is that all the USAF
aircraft have fallen from the skies. I may have missed that.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE

PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new. Why are you insisting that
the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops> Let's say that you
have a B50 - these were never used enough to wear anything out but
suppose that the engine needed rebuilding? A technician COULD remove
the radisal cylinders and a machine shop COULD bore the cyclingers
out. But what do they do then? It would require brand new pistons and
rings. These could NOT be produced in a machine shop outside of the
factory because the lower parts of the piston are not round. For that
matter the piston pona are extremely criticzal in an engine that
developes 2400 horsepower.
The R-4360, a 28 cylinder 4 bank supercharged and turbo charged engine
put out as much as 4,300 HP in one version.
But your ignorance is showing. Aircraft engines weren't repaired in
the Machine shop :-) They were repaired in the Engine shop.

Post by cyclintom
The reason that you are not seeing Air Force planes dropping out

of the air is because of the lie that they are being repaired in
machine shops. Please stop that as if it were sensible.
--
Cheers,
John B.

Cuts ovals? I said that, "every A.F.machine
shop was possible to work to tolerances of 1/10th of 1/000of an
inch".That is one tenth of one thousandth. Of an inch..

--
Cheers,

John B.

cyclintom

2024-09-18 19:47:43 UTC

Post by AMuzi
And yet AFBs and Navy ships do indeed have machine shops.
Some minimal, some quite impressively extensive.
Oh and they need not be 'best equipped' everywhere. USAF has
airplanes!

"Boeing machinists go on strike after rejecting contract"
<https://www.npr.org/2024/09/13/nx-s1-5110310/boeing-machinists-union-strike>

Well Tommy, with a standard lathe as found in nearly every A.F.machine
shop was possible to work to tolerances of 1/10th of 1/000of an inch
tolerance. That ISSN technological?
But since Liebermann doesn't know anything aboujt it. He can present
his highly intelligent view of things that he knows nothing about. His
entire career in a nutshell.

Post by AMuzi
I suppose that proof of your argument is that all the USAF
aircraft have fallen from the skies. I may have missed that.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Could it be just as I said, that the Air Force DOES NOT MACHINE

PARTS THEMSELVES. They replace with new. Why are you insisting that
the Air Force has and commonly uses machine shops> Let's say that you
have a B50 - these were never used enough to wear anything out but
suppose that the engine needed rebuilding? A technician COULD remove
the radisal cylinders and a machine shop COULD bore the cyclingers
out. But what do they do then? It would require brand new pistons and
rings. These could NOT be produced in a machine shop outside of the
factory because the lower parts of the piston are not round. For that
matter the piston pona are extremely criticzal in an engine that
developes 2400 horsepower.
The R-4360, a 28 cylinder 4 bank supercharged and turbo charged engine
put out as much as 4,300 HP in one version.
But your ignorance is showing. Aircraft engines weren't repaired in
the Machine shop :-) They were repaired in the Engine shop.

Post by cyclintom
The reason that you are not seeing Air Force planes dropping out

of the air is because of the lie that they are being repaired in
machine shops. Please stop that as if it were sensible.
--
Cheers,
John B.

Cuts ovals? I said that, "every A.F.machine
shop was possible to work to tolerances of 1/10th of 1/000of an
inch".That is one tenth of one thousandth. Of an inch..
--
Cheers,
John B.

John, I lived about a mile from the old Oakland Airport and would go down and watch them rebuilding piston engines in ex-military aircraft. If you don't understand what I'm talking about stop acting like I'm saying something else.

Frank Krygowski

2024-09-17 01:51:26 UTC

Post by cyclintom
100 to 1 I'm a better machinist than you ever were.

Wow! Is there _anything_ that Tom's not an expert in? ;-)

--
- Frank Krygowski

AMuzi

2024-09-17 01:54:11 UTC

100 to 1 I'm a better machinist than you ever were.

Wow! Is there _anything_ that Tom's not an expert in? ;-)

Everything, even turning oval shafts on a lathe.

Maybe someday discovering a use for turned ovals. On an
aircraft no less!

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

cyclintom

2024-09-18 19:43:48 UTC

100 to 1 I'm a better machinist than you ever were.

Wow! Is there _anything_ that Tom's not an expert in? ;-)

Everything, even turning oval shafts on a lathe.
Maybe someday discovering a use for turned ovals. On an
aircraft no less!
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

You're not very familiar with aircraft pistons. From the pisoton pins down the pistons are oval or perhaps more accurately - irregular.

AMuzi

2024-09-18 20:16:38 UTC

Post by cyclintom
100 to 1 I'm a better machinist than you ever were.

Wow! Is there _anything_ that Tom's not an expert in? ;-)

Everything, even turning oval shafts on a lathe.
Maybe someday discovering a use for turned ovals. On an
aircraft no less!

You're not very familiar with aircraft pistons. From the pisoton pins down the pistons are oval or perhaps more accurately - irregular.

They are not on any piston aircraft:

http://enginehistory.org/Piston/Wright/WrightR-1820.pdf

https://www.lycoming.com/sites/default/files/attachments/O-320%2520Operator%2520Manual%252060297-30.pdf

or motor vehicle piston engines, with one well known
exception, which failed in sales and in service:

https://www.rideapart.com/news/587883/honda-oval-piston-engine-explained/

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

cyclintom

2024-09-18 19:41:05 UTC

Post by cyclintom
100 to 1 I'm a better machinist than you ever were.

Wow! Is there _anything_ that Tom's not an expert in? ;-)
--
- Frank Krygowski

Wouold you like to challenge me to a contest on mchining something? I at A's in machine shop and while I didn't have the machine tools to use elsewhere, I know how ro do it.

Frank Krygowski

2024-09-18 19:51:56 UTC

Post by cyclintom
100 to 1 I'm a better machinist than you ever were.

Wow! Is there _anything_ that Tom's not an expert in? ;-)
--
- Frank Krygowski

Wouold you like to challenge me to a contest on mchining something?

:-) If you like, Tom. But I suspect this is a lot like your threats to
come to my door and flatten me with one punch - i.e. all fantasy for you.

Post by cyclintom
I at A's in machine shop and while I didn't have the machine tools to use elsewhere, I know how ro do it.

I taught machine shop. Granted, it was just an introductory class, and I
don't consider myself an expert, and I'm far slower than a professional
machinist.

But if we pick a day when you can't spell "machining" (drunk again?) I'm
pretty confident you'd lose. Shall we use one of my lathes?

--
- Frank Krygowski

cyclintom

2024-09-18 19:58:06 UTC

Post by cyclintom
100 to 1 I'm a better machinist than you ever were.

Wow! Is there _anything_ that Tom's not an expert in? ;-)
--
- Frank Krygowski

Wouold you like to challenge me to a contest on mchining something?

:-) If you like, Tom. But I suspect this is a lot like your threats to
come to my door and flatten me with one punch - i.e. all fantasy for you.

Post by cyclintom
I at A's in machine shop and while I didn't have the machine tools to use elsewhere, I know how ro do it.

I taught machine shop. Granted, it was just an introductory class, and I
don't consider myself an expert, and I'm far slower than a professional
machinist.
But if we pick a day when you can't spell "machining" (drunk again?) I'm
pretty confident you'd lose. Shall we use one of my lathes?
--
- Frank Krygowski

So NOW you taught machining and not Mechanical Engineering? In some high school?

John B.

2024-09-14 06:01:56 UTC

On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.

I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.

But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air Force Base has a
machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the Air Force or not
because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How credible had Frank,
Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,

John B.

cyclintom

2024-09-14 14:49:34 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew chief" on an obsolete bomber is nothing more than a paperwork job. Slocomb, you were a necessary nobody and that is all. While I was signing work orders off, your claim is that I wasn't. That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

AMuzi

2024-09-14 15:54:25 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Tom Kunich

2024-09-14 19:42:03 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air Force Base
has a machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the Air
Force or not because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How credible had
Frank, Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew chief" on an
obsolete bomber is nothing more than a paperwork job. Slocomb, you were
a necessary nobody and that is all. While I was signing work orders
off, your claim is that I wasn't. That must be why they sent me to a
war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

Frank Krygowski

2024-09-14 20:29:10 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air Force Base
has a machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the Air
Force or not because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How credible had
Frank, Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew chief" on an
obsolete bomber is nothing more than a paperwork job. Slocomb, you were
a necessary nobody and that is all. While I was signing work orders
off, your claim is that I wasn't. That must be why they sent me to a
war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Tom Kunich

2024-09-14 20:38:19 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation
that items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for
repair and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that
base there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal
shop because with those three shops nearly everything that can
happen to an aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air Force Base
has a machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the Air
Force or not because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How credible had
Frank, Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew chief" on
an obsolete bomber is nothing more than a paperwork job. Slocomb, you
were a necessary nobody and that is all. While I was signing work
orders off, your claim is that I wasn't. That must be why they sent
me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from
Kamala Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

I'm still waiting for you to tell us everything you learned about the
military and machine shops. Were you in the Air Force Reserve which might
have lent some credence to your stupid comments? Tell us what you do with
pistons if you have to bore out IC engines? Is that a mechanical
engineering question or a plant engineering question? Or maybe it's a
those who can, do, while those who can't, teach, question?

Telkl us more about how all of your life you wanted to teach mechanical
engineering to the less fortunate. I really like that one. Your contempt
for your students really shines through that one.

Frank Krygowski

2024-09-14 23:34:59 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation
that items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for
repair and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that
base there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal
shop because with those three shops nearly everything that can
happen to an aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air Force Base
has a machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the Air
Force or not because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How credible had
Frank, Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew chief" on
an obsolete bomber is nothing more than a paperwork job. Slocomb, you
were a necessary nobody and that is all. While I was signing work
orders off, your claim is that I wasn't. That must be why they sent
me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from
Kamala Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

I'm still waiting for you to tell us everything you learned about the
military and machine shops.

I know that bases have machine shops. And I knew how to get out of a
state whose culture I didn't like, over 40 years ago. I applied for some
jobs, got an offer in a much better place and accepted it. There are
some unusual details I could relate, but you and that Florida guy would
claim they were false, so there's little point.

I will say, the place I left did give me access to a much, much better
machine shop than this university. But I did fine with the equipment
here. And I still feel sad that I no longer have access to this one. Ah
well. At least I've got my lathes.

--
- Frank Krygowski

cyclintom

2024-09-16 16:14:26 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation
that items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for
repair and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that
base there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal
shop because with those three shops nearly everything that can
happen to an aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air Force Base
has a machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the Air
Force or not because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How credible had
Frank, Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew chief" on
an obsolete bomber is nothing more than a paperwork job. Slocomb, you
were a necessary nobody and that is all. While I was signing work
orders off, your claim is that I wasn't. That must be why they sent
me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from
Kamala Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

I'm still waiting for you to tell us everything you learned about the
military and machine shops.

I know that bases have machine shops. And I knew how to get out of a
state whose culture I didn't like, over 40 years ago. I applied for some
jobs, got an offer in a much better place and accepted it. There are
some unusual details I could relate, but you and that Florida guy would
claim they were false, so there's little point.
I will say, the place I left did give me access to a much, much better
machine shop than this university. But I did fine with the equipment
here. And I still feel sad that I no longer have access to this one. Ah
well. At least I've got my lathes.
--
- Frank Krygowski

3`

Frank, stop saying that you know anything because you don't. If you did you wouold have been able to make a living as a mechanical engineer and not as some stupid college teacher year after year telling students to read some chapter in a preselected book. Thgat you even dare to post here shows what a fool you are.

AMuzi

2024-09-15 15:29:02 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation
that items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for
repair and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that
base there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal
shop because with those three shops nearly everything that can
happen to an aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air Force Base
has a machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the Air
Force or not because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How credible had
Frank, Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew chief" on
an obsolete bomber is nothing more than a paperwork job. Slocomb, you
were a necessary nobody and that is all. While I was signing work
orders off, your claim is that I wasn't. That must be why they sent
me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from
Kamala Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

I'm still waiting for you to tell us everything you learned about the
military and machine shops. Were you in the Air Force Reserve which might
have lent some credence to your stupid comments? Tell us what you do with
pistons if you have to bore out IC engines? Is that a mechanical
engineering question or a plant engineering question? Or maybe it's a
those who can, do, while those who can't, teach, question?
Telkl us more about how all of your life you wanted to teach mechanical
engineering to the less fortunate. I really like that one. Your contempt
for your students really shines through that one.

Perhaps my replies are not displaying in your new system.

In the field, just like airlines, serious engine problems
are solved by replacing the entire engine as a unit.
Inventories are on hand at USAF bases, on aircraft carriers
and at major civilian airports.

https://www.deviantart.com/finhead4ever/art/Spare-jet-engines-in-crates-673283627

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

cyclintom

2024-09-16 16:08:11 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation
that items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for
repair and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that
base there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal
shop because with those three shops nearly everything that can
happen to an aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air Force Base
has a machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the Air
Force or not because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How credible had
Frank, Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew chief" on
an obsolete bomber is nothing more than a paperwork job. Slocomb, you
were a necessary nobody and that is all. While I was signing work
orders off, your claim is that I wasn't. That must be why they sent
me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from
Kamala Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

I'm still waiting for you to tell us everything you learned about the
military and machine shops. Were you in the Air Force Reserve which might
have lent some credence to your stupid comments? Tell us what you do with
pistons if you have to bore out IC engines? Is that a mechanical
engineering question or a plant engineering question? Or maybe it's a
those who can, do, while those who can't, teach, question?
Telkl us more about how all of your life you wanted to teach mechanical
engineering to the less fortunate. I really like that one. Your contempt
for your students really shines through that one.

Perhaps my replies are not displaying in your new system.
In the field, just like airlines, serious engine problems
are solved by replacing the entire engine as a unit.
Inventories are on hand at USAF bases, on aircraft carriers
and at major civilian airports.
https://www.deviantart.com/finhead4ever/art/Spare-jet-engines-in-crates-673283627
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Then why are you implying that ANY serious repairs couold be done in a machine shop with AIRMEN who at best barely qujalify as journeymen? I don't think that you have any idea of the reality of aircraft maintenance.

cyclintom

2024-09-16 16:02:14 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air Force Base
has a machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the Air
Force or not because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How credible had
Frank, Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew chief" on an
obsolete bomber is nothing more than a paperwork job. Slocomb, you were
a necessary nobody and that is all. While I was signing work orders
off, your claim is that I wasn't. That must be why they sent me to a
war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not to live. Do you suppose he wouold have said that to Jobst? It takes the death of his hero to give him the courage to tell others how they should live. The true mark of a coward.

Frank Krygowski

2024-09-16 18:32:50 UTC

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not to live.

Tom, I'm just responding to your constant complaints about your
neighborhood, your riding territory and your state. Based on your
unending tales of misery, you're clearly not happy there.

But despite your amazing claims of wealth, you continue to live in that
hell hole. It makes no sense.

--
- Frank Krygowski

cyclintom

2024-09-16 21:38:53 UTC

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not to live.

Tom, I'm just responding to your constant complaints about your
neighborhood, your riding territory and your state. Based on your
unending tales of misery, you're clearly not happy there.
But despite your amazing claims of wealth, you continue to live in that
hell hole. It makes no sense.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you're not Jobst. You can't do real mechanical engineering, you can't ride like him and you can't even afford an old piece of junk like he rode. Yoyu think that you are a God and can distate the lives of other people.In person yopu would spend the rest of your life in emergency care ward and you know it. Your cowaedice is second only to Flunky.

Zen Cycle

2024-09-16 21:43:09 UTC

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not to live.

Tom, I'm just responding to your constant complaints about your
neighborhood, your riding territory and your state. Based on your
unending tales of misery, you're clearly not happy there.
But despite your amazing claims of wealth, you continue to live in that
hell hole. It makes no sense.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you're not Jobst. You can't do real mechanical engineering, you can't ride like him and you can't even afford an old piece of junk like he rode.

Jobst rode a custom bontrager, you flaming dolt. You've been told this
before

Post by cyclintom
Yoyu think that you are a God and can distate the lives of other people.In person yopu would spend the rest of your life in emergency care ward and you know it. Your cowaedice is second only to Flunky.

tough talk from a broken down drunk

--
Add xx to reply

AMuzi

2024-09-16 22:44:16 UTC

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did.
Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not
to live.

Tom, I'm just responding to your constant complaints
about your
neighborhood, your riding territory and your state. Based
on your
unending tales of misery, you're clearly not happy there.
But despite your amazing claims of wealth, you continue
to live in that
hell hole. It makes no sense.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you're not Jobst. You can't do real mechanical
engineering, you can't ride like him and you can't even
afford an old piece of junk like he rode.

Jobst rode a custom bontrager, you flaming dolt. You've been
told this before

Post by cyclintom
Yoyu think that you are a God and can distate the lives of
other people.In person yopu would spend the rest of your
life in emergency care ward and you know it. Your
cowaedice is second only to Flunky.

tough talk from a broken down drunk

Tom Ritchey built Mr Brandt's frames.

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

zen cycle

2024-09-17 09:26:51 UTC

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not to live.

Tom, I'm just responding to your constant complaints about your
neighborhood, your riding territory and your state. Based on your
unending tales of misery, you're clearly not happy there.
But despite your amazing claims of wealth, you continue to live in that
hell hole. It makes no sense.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you're not Jobst. You can't do real mechanical engineering,
you can't ride like him and you can't even afford an old piece of
junk like he rode.

Jobst rode a custom bontrager, you flaming dolt. You've been told this
before

Post by cyclintom
Yoyu think that you are a God and can distate the lives of other
people.In person yopu would spend the rest of your life in emergency
care ward and you know it. Your cowaedice is second only to Flunky.

tough talk from a broken down drunk

Tom Ritchey built Mr Brandt's frames.

Ah, I thought it was Keith Bontrager...my error...nonetheless, hardly
"an old piece of junk"

cyclintom

2024-09-17 20:43:45 UTC

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did.
Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not
to live.

Tom, I'm just responding to your constant complaints
about your
neighborhood, your riding territory and your state. Based
on your
unending tales of misery, you're clearly not happy there.
But despite your amazing claims of wealth, you continue
to live in that
hell hole. It makes no sense.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you're not Jobst. You can't do real mechanical
engineering, you can't ride like him and you can't even
afford an old piece of junk like he rode.

Jobst rode a custom bontrager, you flaming dolt. You've been
told this before

Post by cyclintom
Yoyu think that you are a God and can distate the lives of
other people.In person yopu would spend the rest of your
life in emergency care ward and you know it. Your
cowaedice is second only to Flunky.

tough talk from a broken down drunk

Tom Ritchey built Mr Brandt's frames.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I don't remember him riding an American bike. I do remember it was 66 cm tall.

AMuzi

2024-09-17 20:59:13 UTC

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did.
Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not
to live.

Tom, I'm just responding to your constant complaints
about your
neighborhood, your riding territory and your state. Based
on your
unending tales of misery, you're clearly not happy there.
But despite your amazing claims of wealth, you continue
to live in that
hell hole. It makes no sense.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you're not Jobst. You can't do real mechanical
engineering, you can't ride like him and you can't even
afford an old piece of junk like he rode.

Jobst rode a custom bontrager, you flaming dolt. You've been
told this before

Post by cyclintom
Yoyu think that you are a God and can distate the lives of
other people.In person yopu would spend the rest of your
life in emergency care ward and you know it. Your
cowaedice is second only to Flunky.

tough talk from a broken down drunk

Tom Ritchey built Mr Brandt's frames.

I don't remember him riding an American bike. I do remember it was 66 cm tall.

Ring up Tom Ritchey and ask him. He's not far from you.

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

cyclintom

2024-09-17 22:06:30 UTC

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did.
Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not
to live.

Tom, I'm just responding to your constant complaints
about your
neighborhood, your riding territory and your state. Based on your
unending tales of misery, you're clearly not happy there.
But despite your amazing claims of wealth, you continue
to live in that
hell hole. It makes no sense.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you're not Jobst. You can't do real mechanical
engineering, you can't ride like him and you can't even
afford an old piece of junk like he rode.

Jobst rode a custom bontrager, you flaming dolt. You've been
told this before

Post by cyclintom
Yoyu think that you are a God and can distate the lives of
other people.In person yopu would spend the rest of your
life in emergency care ward and you know it. Your
cowaedice is second only to Flunky.

tough talk from a broken down drunk

Tom Ritchey built Mr Brandt's frames.

I don't remember him riding an American bike. I do remember it was 66 cm tall.

Ring up Tom Ritchey and ask him. He's not far from you.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I rode with Jobst ikn the late 60's I think. Tom Richey was a little kidx at that time and Jobst was riding a pretty stupid Italian bike. Ritchey's page says so: "My dad started going on Jobst's rides and when I was 14 or 15 years old, and he was introduced to his epic rides and rigid set of logic and principles as a German engineer."

I don't have a good memory of that time since in person Jobst was the same know-it-all asshole he was here. He didn't know it all and most of the people that came on his rides didn't come back.

The real damage he caused was on these bicycle groups where people that had no self respect would idolize him because they didn't know any better.

When Jobst published what he thought was my address, half of the group objected and never came back. I didn't much care except he published my mother's address rather than mine. And the local groupies came past and threw trash on what was then a nice lawn.

I understand that Jobst was a good engineer, but be was something of an asshole and he wouldn't have lasted 10 minutes at most of the places I worked. The people I worked for were really sensitive about arrogance.

Frank Krygowski

2024-09-18 02:25:49 UTC

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did.
Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not
to live.

Tom, I'm just responding to your constant complaints
about your
neighborhood, your riding territory and your state. Based
on your
unending tales of misery, you're clearly not happy there.
But despite your amazing claims of wealth, you continue
to live in that
hell hole. It makes no sense.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you're not Jobst. You can't do real mechanical
engineering, you can't ride like him and you can't even
afford an old piece of junk like he rode.

Jobst rode a custom bontrager, you flaming dolt. You've been
told this before

Post by cyclintom
Yoyu think that you are a God and can distate the lives of
other people.In person yopu would spend the rest of your
life in emergency care ward and you know it. Your
cowaedice is second only to Flunky.

tough talk from a broken down drunk

Tom Ritchey built Mr Brandt's frames.

I don't remember him riding an American bike. I do remember it was 66 cm tall.

Ring up Tom Ritchey and ask him. He's not far from you.

From the archives:
------------------------------------------------
From: ***@hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt)
Subject: Re: Frame lifespan
Date: 29 Aug 1997
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech

Post by AMuzi
There are some exceptions to the rating system. For example, Tom
Ritchey claims to build such a high performance frame that it is
only designed to last one race season, and he will not warranty it
against breakage beyond a year. By my rating system that would make
him pretty lame. Of course he does not cater to people that value
durability in their frames.

Tom built me the lightest road bike I have owned and it served close
to 100,000 miles before I ran into a ditch too deep to come out of and
wrinkled the frame. Knowing Tom, I can't imagine under what
circumstance this claim was made, but it is not his style. I don't
know of any such "good for one year" frame because if it makes it
through one year of the kind of riding he and I consider standard, it
would last much longer than a year. Because frames must withstand
high single incident stresses now and then, they automatically have a
high fatigue threshold.

Therefore, your scenario of failure sounds like the mythical "One Hoss
Shay" of Oliver Wendell Holmes, that was so well designed that all its
parts failed at the stroke of noon on the hundredth year, leaving only
a heap of dust. The concept is not new and is part of the fabric of
engineering and human experience, but it is only a myth that we like
to believe.

Jobst Brandt <***@hpl.hp.com>
------------------------------------------------
He rode Cinellis earlier.

--
- Frank Krygowski

cyclintom

2024-09-18 14:54:59 UTC

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did.
Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not to live.

Tom, I'm just responding to your constant complaints
about your
neighborhood, your riding territory and your state. Based on your
unending tales of misery, you're clearly not happy there.
But despite your amazing claims of wealth, you continue
to live in that
hell hole. It makes no sense.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you're not Jobst. You can't do real mechanical
engineering, you can't ride like him and you can't even
afford an old piece of junk like he rode.

Jobst rode a custom bontrager, you flaming dolt. You've been
told this before

Post by cyclintom
Yoyu think that you are a God and can distate the lives of
other people.In person yopu would spend the rest of your
life in emergency care ward and you know it. Your
cowaedice is second only to Flunky.

tough talk from a broken down drunk

Tom Ritchey built Mr Brandt's frames.

I don't remember him riding an American bike. I do remember it was 66 cm tall.

Ring up Tom Ritchey and ask him. He's not far from you.

------------------------------------------------
Subject: Re: Frame lifespan
Date: 29 Aug 1997
Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech

Tom built me the lightest road bike I have owned and it served close
to 100,000 miles before I ran into a ditch too deep to come out of and
wrinkled the frame. Knowing Tom, I can't imagine under what
circumstance this claim was made, but it is not his style. I don't
know of any such "good for one year" frame because if it makes it
through one year of the kind of riding he and I consider standard, it
would last much longer than a year. Because frames must withstand
high single incident stresses now and then, they automatically have a
high fatigue threshold.
Therefore, your scenario of failure sounds like the mythical "One Hoss
Shay" of Oliver Wendell Holmes, that was so well designed that all its
parts failed at the stroke of noon on the hundredth year, leaving only
a heap of dust. The concept is not new and is part of the fabric of
engineering and human experience, but it is only a myth that we like
to believe.
------------------------------------------------
He rode Cinellis earlier.
--
- Frank Krygowski

There you have it from the expert himself, Tom Ritchey had no idea what he was talking about and buili Jobst Brandt a frame when he was 14. What I saw when I actually rode with him was an optical illusion that I lied about along with Tom Ritchey himself. This is the extent to which the mentally ill will go to prove me wrong. The question is, exactly what do you suppose it gets them?

Frank Krygowski

2024-09-18 15:13:52 UTC

Post by cyclintom
What I saw when I actually rode with him was an optical illusion that

I lied about along with Tom Ritchey himself.

Tom, nobody here trusts your memory. You often describe your own memory
problems.

I certainly believe Jobst's own posts more than I believe what you claim
to remember seeing Jobst doing.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Tom Kunich

2024-09-18 19:19:45 UTC

Post by cyclintom
What I saw when I actually rode with him was an optical illusion that

I lied about along with Tom Ritchey himself.
Tom, nobody here trusts your memory. You often describe your own memory
problems.
I certainly believe Jobst's own posts more than I believe what you claim
to remember seeing Jobst doing.

You cited a web page where Tom Ritchey himself said that his father was
riding with Jobst when he (Tom Ritchey) was 14 or 15. Tell me stupid -
what did I need to remember other than what brand that Jobst was riding at
that time?

Tom Kunich

2024-09-18 19:16:51 UTC

On Mon Sep 16 17:44:16 2024 AMuzi

Frank so you believe that Jobst had a 14 year old build him a frame? Why
did you feel it absolutely necessary to distort what I said? I was riding
with Jobst ten years before Tom Ritchey was building frames and at that
time he was riding I believe a 66 cm Bottecchia with standard 1" tubing.
Your inventions of how you can ignore EVEN what Tom Ritchey said in his
website or how so many people stopped riding with Jobst for exactly the
reasons stated in Jobst's postings (riding in a dangerous manner
especially with new riders) makes you look pretty foolish.

At what time are you going to face reality?

AMuzi

2024-09-18 19:28:08 UTC

On Mon Sep 16 17:44:16 2024 AMuzi

It was a 66cm Cinelli (which Mr Ritchey repaired more than
once).

Both Mr Brandt and Mr Ritchey wrote that Brandt rode Ritchey
frames forever after.

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

cyclintom

2024-09-18 20:15:50 UTC

On Mon Sep 16 17:44:16 2024 AMuzi

It was a 66cm Cinelli (which Mr Ritchey repaired more than
once).
Both Mr Brandt and Mr Ritchey wrote that Brandt rode Ritchey
frames forever after.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

I have no doubt that AFTER he began making frames Ritchey could have improved on that POS that Jobst was riding. It flexed all over the place and would speed wobble as well. It was from the tubing being of insufficient strength. Oversize tubing leaving everything else like it was would have greatly improved it.

AMuzi

2024-09-17 21:21:51 UTC

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did.
Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not
to live.

Tom, I'm just responding to your constant complaints
about your
neighborhood, your riding territory and your state. Based
on your
unending tales of misery, you're clearly not happy there.
But despite your amazing claims of wealth, you continue
to live in that
hell hole. It makes no sense.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you're not Jobst. You can't do real mechanical
engineering, you can't ride like him and you can't even
afford an old piece of junk like he rode.

Jobst rode a custom bontrager, you flaming dolt. You've been
told this before

Post by cyclintom
Yoyu think that you are a God and can distate the lives of
other people.In person yopu would spend the rest of your
life in emergency care ward and you know it. Your
cowaedice is second only to Flunky.

tough talk from a broken down drunk

Tom Ritchey built Mr Brandt's frames.

I don't remember him riding an American bike. I do remember it was 66 cm tall.

Citation here in 2d paragraph:
https://ritcheylogic.com/blog/tom-ritchey-a-tribute-to-jobst

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

cyclintom

2024-09-17 20:41:54 UTC

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

And you still can't figure out how to leave! Sad.

Now Frank feels that he can gell me where and where not to live.

Tom, I'm just responding to your constant complaints about your
neighborhood, your riding territory and your state. Based on your
unending tales of misery, you're clearly not happy there.
But despite your amazing claims of wealth, you continue to live in that
hell hole. It makes no sense.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you're not Jobst. You can't do real mechanical engineering, you can't ride like him and you can't even afford an old piece of junk like he rode.

Jobst rode a custom bontrager, you flaming dolt. You've been told this
before

tough talk from a broken down drunk
--
Add xx to reply

Again and again you have to make stupid statements. Jobst didn't ride a "custom Bontrager" because Bontrager was only 15 years old at that time you idiot. He was riding a 66 cm Italian bike I seem to remember - a Guerciotti or a Bottechia or something like that with standard tubing. It flexed like a rubber band?

John B.

2024-09-15 01:53:08 UTC

On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:42:03 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air Force Base
has a machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the Air
Force or not because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How credible had
Frank, Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew chief" on an
obsolete bomber is nothing more than a paperwork job. Slocomb, you were
a necessary nobody and that is all. While I was signing work orders
off, your claim is that I wasn't. That must be why they sent me to a
war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

Long before Tom was more the a gleam in his father's eye the U.S.A.F.
assigned a crew, headed by a "crew chief" to each airplane to perform
he engine and airframe maintenance.
Then in the 1960's They came up with the specialized system where
different skills were assigned to a "shop": and the Crew Chiefs called
for the specialist that he required who went to the Plain, repaired
the discrepancy and returned to his "shop:"

As for Tom being sent to a war zone :-) First Guiam was not a war zone
except in somebody's imagination.... at least since 1944.

As for Tom's contribution to the war effort he has already told us
that he carried the tools for a qualified technician.

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

--
Cheers,

John B.

cyclintom

2024-09-16 15:43:27 UTC

Post by John B.
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 19:42:03 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air Force Base
has a machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the Air
Force or not because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How credible had
Frank, Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew chief" on an
obsolete bomber is nothing more than a paperwork job. Slocomb, you were
a necessary nobody and that is all. While I was signing work orders
off, your claim is that I wasn't. That must be why they sent me to a
war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

Long before Tom was more the a gleam in his father's eye the U.S.A.F.
assigned a crew, headed by a "crew chief" to each airplane to perform
he engine and airframe maintenance.
Then in the 1960's They came up with the specialized system where
different skills were assigned to a "shop": and the Crew Chiefs called
for the specialist that he required who went to the Plain, repaired
the discrepancy and returned to his "shop:"
As for Tom being sent to a war zone :-) First Guiam was not a war zone
except in somebody's imagination.... at least since 1944.
As for Tom's contribution to the war effort he has already told us
that he carried the tools for a qualified technician.

Post by AMuzi
USAF sent you to Oakland? Really?
http://youtu.be/sLyrlzGqmRY

The Air Force didn't do that. Gavin Loathsome did. Woith help from Kamala
Harris.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Poor little John works so hard to make his job seekm what it wasn't. Then he lies about what I said. I was a qualified bomb/nav technician and I signed off aircraft I repaired. I did this almoost for the time I arriced at Lowry AFB. Indeed my normal partner was an A2C and he nernally knew what was wrong just from the write up because he had seen it all. But there were plenty of times he was on leave or on TDY someplace and I did it with an assistant.

Poor John tries so hard to destroy my credibility because I caught him in that stupid bullshit that he was important because he was a crew chief.

zen cycle

2024-09-15 11:54:08 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

You were in the Air Force for four years, never promoted past the Airman
rank. Airman isn't generally given the responsibility for signing off
work orders - you had neither the experience or the training.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

John B.

2024-09-15 12:48:10 UTC

On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:54:08 -0400, zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Tommy seems to have some sort of "fixture" on NCO's (Staff, Tech,
Master Sergeant). He either didn't know or has forgotten that to be
promoted to those ranks you have to, among other accomplishments,
taken and passed skill level tests in what ever skill you are assigned
to manage.

Based on Tommy's comments I would guess he had a skill lever rating of
"3" which would indicate that he had finished a technical school and
so was, in civilian term been appointed an "apprentice" skill level.
Next step up would be a "5 level" indicating that one had average
"journeyman" skills and the more senior rank would be a "7 level"
skill level, a "master", as high as you can go.

--
Cheers,

John B.

John B.

2024-09-15 12:52:29 UTC

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:54:08 -0400, zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Tommy seems to have some sort of "fixture" on NCO's (Staff, Tech,
Master Sergeant). He either didn't know or has forgotten that to be
promoted to those ranks you have to, among other accomplishments,
taken and passed skill level tests in what ever skill you are assigned
to manage.

Based on Tommy's comments I would guess he had a skill lever rating of
"3" which would indicate that he had finished a technical school and
so was, in civilian term been appointed an "apprentice" skill level.
Next step up would be a "5 level" indicating that one had "journeyman"
skills and the more senior rank would be a "7 level"
skill level, a "master", as high as you can go.

--
Cheers,

John B.

Zen Cycle

2024-09-16 15:24:16 UTC

Post by John B.

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:54:08 -0400, zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Tommy seems to have some sort of "fixture" on NCO's (Staff, Tech,
Master Sergeant). He either didn't know or has forgotten that to be
promoted to those ranks you have to, among other accomplishments,
taken and passed skill level tests in what ever skill you are assigned
to manage.
Based on Tommy's comments I would guess he had a skill lever rating of
"3" which would indicate that he had finished a technical school and
so was, in civilian term been appointed an "apprentice" skill level.
Next step up would be a "5 level" indicating that one had "journeyman"
skills and the more senior rank would be a "7 level"
skill level, a "master", as high as you can go.

Not to mention the time-in-grade requirement. Tommy was in for 4 years.
A reasonable expectation would be that he made to E-3, but it would be
rare for someone to reach E-4 in that time. Given that we're talking
about tommy here, i'd suggest even a claim of E-3 was suspect.

--
Add xx to reply

John B.

2024-09-16 16:13:46 UTC

Post by John B.

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:54:08 -0400, zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Tommy seems to have some sort of "fixture" on NCO's (Staff, Tech,
Master Sergeant). He either didn't know or has forgotten that to be
promoted to those ranks you have to, among other accomplishments,
taken and passed skill level tests in what ever skill you are assigned
to manage.
Based on Tommy's comments I would guess he had a skill lever rating of
"3" which would indicate that he had finished a technical school and
so was, in civilian term been appointed an "apprentice" skill level.
Next step up would be a "5 level" indicating that one had "journeyman"
skills and the more senior rank would be a "7 level"
skill level, a "master", as high as you can go.

Based on what Tommy has said from to time I would believe he was a
A2C.It would be quite possible that he was promoted one step, from A3C
to A2C when he completed Tech School and never promoted again. He has
mentioned working with a A1C which could be possible but the lower
rank world be essentially a tool bag carrier.

Another give away is his frequent insulting remarks about Noncoms, who
among other duties would have been recommending Airman for promotion

--
Cheers,

John B.

cyclintom

2024-09-16 16:34:54 UTC

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:54:08 -0400, zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Tommy seems to have some sort of "fixture" on NCO's (Staff, Tech,
Master Sergeant). He either didn't know or has forgotten that to be
promoted to those ranks you have to, among other accomplishments,
taken and passed skill level tests in what ever skill you are assigned
to manage.
Based on Tommy's comments I would guess he had a skill lever rating of
"3" which would indicate that he had finished a technical school and
so was, in civilian term been appointed an "apprentice" skill level.
Next step up would be a "5 level" indicating that one had "journeyman"
skills and the more senior rank would be a "7 level"
skill level, a "master", as high as you can go.

Based on what Tommy has said from to time I would believe he was a
A2C.It would be quite possible that he was promoted one step, from A3C
to A2C when he completed Tech School and never promoted again. He has
mentioned working with a A1C which could be possible but the lower
rank world be essentially a tool bag carrier.
Another give away is his frequent insulting remarks about Noncoms, who
among other duties would have been recommending Airman for promotion
--
Cheers,
John B.

So you don't remember a thing from the Air Force, Too busy mopping floors for the private contractor after you got out?

Why don't you tell everyone how safe Guam was and imply that I said it was a war zone and not the Air Force. Either your mind is gone or you feel you have to lie to get even with me for describing your real job.

cyclintom

2024-09-16 16:29:46 UTC

Post by John B.

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:54:08 -0400, zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Tommy seems to have some sort of "fixture" on NCO's (Staff, Tech,
Master Sergeant). He either didn't know or has forgotten that to be
promoted to those ranks you have to, among other accomplishments,
taken and passed skill level tests in what ever skill you are assigned
to manage.
Based on Tommy's comments I would guess he had a skill lever rating of
"3" which would indicate that he had finished a technical school and
so was, in civilian term been appointed an "apprentice" skill level.
Next step up would be a "5 level" indicating that one had "journeyman"
skills and the more senior rank would be a "7 level"
skill level, a "master", as high as you can go.

Still mad because the service wouldn't accept queers?

Zen Cycle

2024-09-16 17:37:26 UTC

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:54:08 -0400, zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Tommy seems to have some sort of "fixture" on NCO's (Staff, Tech,
Master Sergeant). He either didn't know or has forgotten that to be
promoted to those ranks you have to, among other accomplishments,
taken and passed skill level tests in what ever skill you are assigned
to manage.
Based on Tommy's comments I would guess he had a skill lever rating of
"3" which would indicate that he had finished a technical school and
so was, in civilian term been appointed an "apprentice" skill level.
Next step up would be a "5 level" indicating that one had "journeyman"
skills and the more senior rank would be a "7 level"
skill level, a "master", as high as you can go.

Still mad because the service wouldn't accept queers?

Jutelist #1. Repeatedly accusing people of being "queer". He's a
closeted queer, afraid people will find out.

--
Add xx to reply

cyclintom

2024-09-17 20:47:51 UTC

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:54:08 -0400, zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Tommy seems to have some sort of "fixture" on NCO's (Staff, Tech,
Master Sergeant). He either didn't know or has forgotten that to be
promoted to those ranks you have to, among other accomplishments,
taken and passed skill level tests in what ever skill you are assigned
to manage.
Based on Tommy's comments I would guess he had a skill lever rating of
"3" which would indicate that he had finished a technical school and
so was, in civilian term been appointed an "apprentice" skill level.
Next step up would be a "5 level" indicating that one had "journeyman"
skills and the more senior rank would be a "7 level"
skill level, a "master", as high as you can go.

Still mad because the service wouldn't accept queers?

Jutelist #1. Repeatedly accusing people of being "queer". He's a
closeted queer, afraid people will find out.
--
Add xx to reply

`

You certainly are sensitive about being in the closet.

Zen Cycle

2024-09-18 13:41:20 UTC

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:54:08 -0400, zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Tommy seems to have some sort of "fixture" on NCO's (Staff, Tech,
Master Sergeant). He either didn't know or has forgotten that to be
promoted to those ranks you have to, among other accomplishments,
taken and passed skill level tests in what ever skill you are assigned
to manage.
Based on Tommy's comments I would guess he had a skill lever rating of
"3" which would indicate that he had finished a technical school and
so was, in civilian term been appointed an "apprentice" skill level.
Next step up would be a "5 level" indicating that one had "journeyman"
skills and the more senior rank would be a "7 level"
skill level, a "master", as high as you can go.

Still mad because the service wouldn't accept queers?

Jutelist #1. Repeatedly accusing people of being "queer". He's a
closeted queer, afraid people will find out.
--
Add xx to reply

You certainly are sensitive about being in the closet.

I'm not the one constantly accusing others of being queer, you and your
buddy andre are the one that made the rule:

Jutelist #1. Repeatedly accusing people of being "queer". He's a
closeted queer, afraid people will find out.

--
Add xx to reply

John B.

2024-09-16 19:21:25 UTC

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:54:08 -0400, zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Tommy seems to have some sort of "fixture" on NCO's (Staff, Tech,
Master Sergeant). He either didn't know or has forgotten that to be
promoted to those ranks you have to, among other accomplishments,
taken and passed skill level tests in what ever skill you are assigned
to manage.
Based on Tommy's comments I would guess he had a skill lever rating of
"3" which would indicate that he had finished a technical school and
so was, in civilian term been appointed an "apprentice" skill level.
Next step up would be a "5 level" indicating that one had "journeyman"
skills and the more senior rank would be a "7 level"
skill level, a "master", as high as you can go.

Still mad because the service wouldn't accept queers?

More bull shit from Mr. Ignorent.
The air force had a "don't ask, don't tell" policy from at least the
1950's.

--
Cheers,

John B.

cyclintom

2024-09-17 20:46:31 UTC

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:54:08 -0400, zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Tommy seems to have some sort of "fixture" on NCO's (Staff, Tech,
Master Sergeant). He either didn't know or has forgotten that to be
promoted to those ranks you have to, among other accomplishments,
taken and passed skill level tests in what ever skill you are assigned
to manage.
Based on Tommy's comments I would guess he had a skill lever rating of
"3" which would indicate that he had finished a technical school and
so was, in civilian term been appointed an "apprentice" skill level.
Next step up would be a "5 level" indicating that one had "journeyman"
skills and the more senior rank would be a "7 level"
skill level, a "master", as high as you can go.

Still mad because the service wouldn't accept queers?

More bull shit from Mr. Ignorent.
The air force had a "don't ask, don't tell" policy from at least the
1950's.
--
Cheers,
John B.

Any queer making a pass at a straight airman was dumped. Why is it that you didn't know that?

cyclintom

2024-09-16 16:26:01 UTC

Post by John B.
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:54:08 -0400, zen cycle

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Tommy seems to have some sort of "fixture" on NCO's (Staff, Tech,
Master Sergeant). He either didn't know or has forgotten that to be
promoted to those ranks you have to, among other accomplishments,
taken and passed skill level tests in what ever skill you are assigned
to manage.
Based on Tommy's comments I would guess he had a skill lever rating of
"3" which would indicate that he had finished a technical school and
so was, in civilian term been appointed an "apprentice" skill level.
Next step up would be a "5 level" indicating that one had average
"journeyman" skills and the more senior rank would be a "7 level"
skill level, a "master", as high as you can go.
--
Cheers,
John B.

You have to bullshit everyohne all of the time don't you. FIRST there has to be a promotion available. You were never promoted past master sargent because crew chiefs are not alloted very many ranks past that. In four years, We promoted one staff sargent to tech sagent and one A2C to A1C and they were both our shop leaders pets since the tech sargent should have gone to a black shop repairman who with his black partner kept our shop the most reliable in the AF. As for the A1C promotion - he got out a month after me. That made the shop Chief look like the ass he was.

AMuzi

2024-09-15 16:11:05 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be
the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a
regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to
Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed
to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet
metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can
happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I
ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air
Force Base has a
machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the
Air Force or not
because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How
credible had Frank,
Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew
chief" on an obsolete bomber is nothing more than a
paperwork job. Slocomb, you were a necessary nobody and
that is all. While I was signing work orders off, your
claim is that I wasn't.

You were in the Air Force for four years, never promoted
past the Airman rank. Airman isn't generally given the
responsibility for signing off work orders - you had neither
the experience or the training.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a
staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

I actually tried so search that, given combat pay bonus is
non taxable and so rules and records are quite thorough.
Blue water combat pay was approved for Navy personnel
supporting the air war but I couldn't find anything for Guam
as part of an approved combat pay area. So maybe, but
probably not.

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

John B.

2024-09-16 02:18:53 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be
the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a
regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to
Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed
to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet
metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can
happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I
ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air
Force Base has a
machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the
Air Force or not
because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How
credible had Frank,
Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew
chief" on an obsolete bomber is nothing more than a
paperwork job. Slocomb, you were a necessary nobody and
that is all. While I was signing work orders off, your
claim is that I wasn't.

You were in the Air Force for four years, never promoted
past the Airman rank. Airman isn't generally given the
responsibility for signing off work orders - you had neither
the experience or the training.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a
staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Combat Pay was a sometime thing.
When I was in Vietnam I had guys assigned to do maintain on
helicopters... drawing combat pay just like the rest of us. But when
any of those "choppers" went TDY - Temporary Duty - to Thailand where
they flew the exactly the same sort of missions there was no combat
pay. To "keep piece in the family", so to speak, I notified the
Maintenance Office that I had to bring my people back for training
after 30 days. So with a 4 man crew 2 were in a combat zone for the
first 30 days and 2 guys were there for the last.

--
Cheers,

John B.

cyclintom

2024-09-16 16:51:25 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be
the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a
regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to
Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed
to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet
metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can
happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I
ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

Post by Tom Kunich
So Krygowski tells is that Youngstown-Barren RESERVE Air
Force Base has a
machine shop without even knowing if it belongs to the
Air Force or not
because he is a known exopert in friction shifting.
Just how much misinformatiomn can you believe? How
credible had Frank,
Jeff or Flunky ever been for even one posting?

--
Cheers,
John B.

This is what hapopens when it is pointed out that a "crew
chief" on an obsolete bomber is nothing more than a
paperwork job. Slocomb, you were a necessary nobody and
that is all. While I was signing work orders off, your
claim is that I wasn't.

You were in the Air Force for four years, never promoted
past the Airman rank. Airman isn't generally given the
responsibility for signing off work orders - you had neither
the experience or the training.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a
staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

Well, I guess I will have to be ready to pay back the war zone pay when they come asking for it.

cyclintom

2024-09-16 16:17:31 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

You, like Liebemann,, were tooo cowardly to join the military and risk skinning you knee. Tell me how it is that you know anything about the military? From John?

Zen Cycle

2024-09-16 18:29:56 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

You, like Liebemann,, were tooo cowardly to join the military and risk skinning you knee. Tell me how it is that you know anything about the military? From John?

You served on a pacific paradise island, never saw combat, and got
drummed out after 4 years for incompetence.

I know a great deal about the US military from a great deal of
experience (more than you, actually). My father was in the Army for 22
years in Military Intelligence and ASA. I lived on military bases (8
actually) from birth until I went to college. I've lived in the US,
Germany, Japan, and Ethiopia (back when it was under Haile Selassie I).
Unlike you, I picked up a few things in my travels, one of things I
picked up was rank structure.

I didn't join for two reasons:

1: As we all know, I don't carry a large stature. When I graduated high
school I was 5'6" and weighed 120 pounds, I likely wouldn't have been
accepted for that fact alone.

2: My father forbid me to becasue he got royally fucked over - he put
his retirement papers in just before his 20th year, and it was denied -
he was deemed essential personnel. They subsequently sent him TDY for a
year (yes, 12 months) to a 'listening' base in Sinop Turkey. He was on
many long term TDY assignments in his career, including another
year-long stint at Shemya* and three short tours of Vietnam between '69
to '73 (two at forward fire bases, one in cambodia (yes, cambodia. He
didn't divulge this information until the early 2000's when he was sent
a letter saying the missions had been declassified, as we all (should)
know, we weren't supposed to be in Cambodia)). During one of the FFB
assignments he was shot in the neck, thankfully a minor wound that only
went through muscle. After 19+ years of that, they yanked him away from
us for another year _after_ he put his papers in.

Imagine that tommy, a man who did actual combat tours and was so
valuable to Army that they wouldn't let him retire, compared to a
sniveling mechanic who the Air force told "don't let the the door hit
you on the way out".

When I asked him about joining, He reminded me father was killed on
Guadalcanal in WW2, his answer was "no, this family has given enough".

So, yeah, you pathetic little worm, I know a thing or two about the
military, and I'd go so far to say - vastly more than you.

*the one time in my entire childhood I didn't live on a military base,
we lived with my grandparents in upstate New York for the year they sent
my father to Shemya.

You're now free to go back to your homosexual fantasies about me.

--
Add xx to reply

cyclintom

2024-09-17 21:44:14 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

--
Cheers,
John B.

Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

You, like Liebemann,, were tooo cowardly to join the military and risk skinning you knee. Tell me how it is that you know anything about the military? From John?

You served on a pacific paradise island, never saw combat, and got
drummed out after 4 years for incompetence.
I know a great deal about the US military from a great deal of
experience (more than you, actually). My father was in the Army for 22
years in Military Intelligence and ASA. I lived on military bases (8
actually) from birth until I went to college. I've lived in the US,
Germany, Japan, and Ethiopia (back when it was under Haile Selassie I).
Unlike you, I picked up a few things in my travels, one of things I
picked up was rank structure.
1: As we all know, I don't carry a large stature. When I graduated high
school I was 5'6" and weighed 120 pounds, I likely wouldn't have been
accepted for that fact alone.
2: My father forbid me to becasue he got royally fucked over - he put
his retirement papers in just before his 20th year, and it was denied -
he was deemed essential personnel. They subsequently sent him TDY for a
year (yes, 12 months) to a 'listening' base in Sinop Turkey. He was on
many long term TDY assignments in his career, including another
year-long stint at Shemya* and three short tours of Vietnam between '69
to '73 (two at forward fire bases, one in cambodia (yes, cambodia. He
didn't divulge this information until the early 2000's when he was sent
a letter saying the missions had been declassified, as we all (should)
know, we weren't supposed to be in Cambodia)). During one of the FFB
assignments he was shot in the neck, thankfully a minor wound that only
went through muscle. After 19+ years of that, they yanked him away from
us for another year _after_ he put his papers in.
Imagine that tommy, a man who did actual combat tours and was so
valuable to Army that they wouldn't let him retire, compared to a
sniveling mechanic who the Air force told "don't let the the door hit
you on the way out".
When I asked him about joining, He reminded me father was killed on
Guadalcanal in WW2, his answer was "no, this family has given enough".
So, yeah, you pathetic little worm, I know a thing or two about the
military, and I'd go so far to say - vastly more than you.
*the one time in my entire childhood I didn't live on a military base,
we lived with my grandparents in upstate New York for the year they sent
my father to Shemya.
You're now free to go back to your homosexual fantasies about me.
--
Add xx to reply

As usual you're full of shit. Delta Force, Navy Seals and Army Rangers are ALL little guys. Less of a target and harder to hit.

If there was anything other than an honorable discharge it wouold be available from the Air Force. So show it. You can't live your life without lying about anything and everything. You're not an electronics engineer but some paperwork wonk that is only there because they are required to have you to sign off QC papers.

You tell us that you're a little guy and hide behind anonymity and distance because you're afrzid of me. You wouldn't have to worry about me hitting you in person unless you pulled the same smart assed comments you pull here. But you know that you would because that is what you are. A little loud mouthed punk and I pity the people that have to work around you.

But I won't let the people on this group suffer under the idiocy of you and Liebermann anymore becsuse I will simply delete your comments and let them watch you going crazy because you can't get any more rises out of me.

Frank Krygowski

2024-09-18 02:36:43 UTC

Post by cyclintom
But I won't let the people on this group suffer under the idiocy of you and Liebermann anymore becsuse I will simply delete your comments and let them watch you going crazy because you can't get any more rises out of me.

:-) Someone needs to bookmark this promise.

Hey, want to start a betting pool on how long Tom's promise lasts? :-)

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cyclintom

2024-09-18 15:00:33 UTC

:-) Someone needs to bookmark this promise.
Hey, want to start a betting pool on how long Tom's promise lasts? :-)
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No need for "someone" since you have volunteered. Tell us again about the hundreds of students that came back to thank you for teaching them a profitable career in something you were never able to achieve yourself.

Zen Cycle

2024-09-18 13:54:19 UTC

Post by John B.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 17:25:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Jesus Wept!... what air force were you in? It can't be the U.S. Air
Force as way back in 1960,, or there about, SAC had a regulation that
items were not to be repaired locally but returned to Depot for repair
and overhaul.
I'll go even further... if there are airplanes stationed to that base
there will be a Machine shop, a Welding Shop and a Sheet metal shop
because with those three shops nearly everything that can happen to an
aircraft can be repaired.
But tell us again... were you really in the Air Force? I ask as you
don't seem to, know much about how things work on one.

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Post by cyclintom
That must be why they sent me to a war zone instead of a staff or tech sargent,

You were never in a war zone. You were in Guam.

You, like Liebemann,, were tooo cowardly to join the military and risk skinning you knee. Tell me how it is that you know anything about the military? From John?

You served on a pacific paradise island, never saw combat, and got
drummed out after 4 years for incompetence.
I know a great deal about the US military from a great deal of
experience (more than you, actually). My father was in the Army for 22
years in Military Intelligence and ASA. I lived on military bases (8
actually) from birth until I went to college. I've lived in the US,
Germany, Japan, and Ethiopia (back when it was under Haile Selassie I).
Unlike you, I picked up a few things in my travels, one of things I
picked up was rank structure.
1: As we all know, I don't carry a large stature. When I graduated high
school I was 5'6" and weighed 120 pounds, I likely wouldn't have been
accepted for that fact alone.
2: My father forbid me to becasue he got royally fucked over - he put
his retirement papers in just before his 20th year, and it was denied -
he was deemed essential personnel. They subsequently sent him TDY for a
year (yes, 12 months) to a 'listening' base in Sinop Turkey. He was on
many long term TDY assignments in his career, including another
year-long stint at Shemya* and three short tours of Vietnam between '69
to '73 (two at forward fire bases, one in cambodia (yes, cambodia. He
didn't divulge this information until the early 2000's when he was sent
a letter saying the missions had been declassified, as we all (should)
know, we weren't supposed to be in Cambodia)). During one of the FFB
assignments he was shot in the neck, thankfully a minor wound that only
went through muscle. After 19+ years of that, they yanked him away from
us for another year _after_ he put his papers in.
Imagine that tommy, a man who did actual combat tours and was so
valuable to Army that they wouldn't let him retire, compared to a
sniveling mechanic who the Air force told "don't let the the door hit
you on the way out".
When I asked him about joining, He reminded me father was killed on
Guadalcanal in WW2, his answer was "no, this family has given enough".
So, yeah, you pathetic little worm, I know a thing or two about the
military, and I'd go so far to say - vastly more than you.
*the one time in my entire childhood I didn't live on a military base,
we lived with my grandparents in upstate New York for the year they sent
my father to Shemya.
You're now free to go back to your homosexual fantasies about me.
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As usual you're full of shit. Delta Force, Navy Seals and Army Rangers are ALL little guys. Less of a target and harder to hit.

lol....sure sparky, Being 5'6 and 120 pounds at age 18 would have made
me a prime candidate for delta force. Gawd yer an idiot.

Post by cyclintom
If there was anything other than an honorable discharge it wouold be available from the Air Force. So show it.

Wait... you're saying there's no such thing as a general or dishonorable
discharge from the airforce?

Post by cyclintom
You can't live your life without lying about anything and everything. You're not an electronics engineer but some paperwork wonk that is only there because they are required to have you to sign off QC papers.

If that were try they would have hired some ignorant tool with a GED and
pay him 25K a year. You know, someone like you.

Post by cyclintom
You tell us that you're a little guy and hide behind anonymity and distance because you're afrzid of me.

You are quite literally the last thing in this world I afraid of.

Post by cyclintom
You wouldn't have to worry about me hitting you in person unless you pulled the same smart assed comments you pull here. But you know that you would because that is what you are. A little loud mouthed punk and I pity the people that have to work around you.

Funny, I've been here ten years an never had an issue woth anyone.

I would love nothing better than for you to stop posting.

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zen cycle

2024-09-15 11:46:07 UTC