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cyclintom
2024-08-17 23:37:29 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
Frank Krygowski
2024-08-18 00:52:32 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
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cyclintom
2024-08-18 14:49:41 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
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I see you've finally realized what a joke you are. Tell us what you did as a "olant engineer" and why they fired you.
zen cycle
2024-08-18 17:47:31 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
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- Frank Krygowski
I see you've finally realized what a joke you are. Tell us what you did as a "olant engineer" and why they fired you.
I think we might need you to explain what you think an "olant engineers"
responsibilities are first.
cyclintom
2024-08-18 22:15:40 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
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- Frank Krygowski
I see you've finally realized what a joke you are. Tell us what you did as a "olant engineer" and why they fired you.
I think we might need you to explain what you think an "olant engineers"
responsibilities are first.
If you were actually an engineer you would have sufficient IQ to recognize a typo. So I guess you've been lying about your position. So you must be an assembler.
zen cycle
2024-08-19 09:32:37 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
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- Frank Krygowski
I see you've finally realized what a joke you are. Tell us what you did as a "olant engineer" and why they fired you.
I think we might need you to explain what you think an "olant engineers"
responsibilities are first.
If you were actually an engineer you would have sufficient IQ to recognize a typo. So I guess you've been lying about your position. So you must be an assembler.
Gee, I never though if might be a typo <eyeroll>
If you had sufficient IQ you'd figure out how to turn on the spell
checker. It certainly won't stop you from embarrassing yourself, but it
might help give some cover over your drunk posting.

How's that libel lawsuit coming, you drunk -assed bitch?
cyclintom
2024-08-21 16:27:24 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
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- Frank Krygowski
I see you've finally realized what a joke you are. Tell us what you did as a "olant engineer" and why they fired you.
I think we might need you to explain what you think an "olant engineers"
responsibilities are first.
If you were actually an engineer you would have sufficient IQ to recognize a typo. So I guess you've been lying about your position. So you must be an assembler.
Gee, I never though if might be a typo <eyeroll>
If you had sufficient IQ you'd figure out how to turn on the spell
checker. It certainly won't stop you from embarrassing yourself, but it
might help give some cover over your drunk posting.
How's that libel lawsuit coming, you drunk -assed bitch?
Assemblers are like water they boil at the drop of a hat.
Zen Cycle
2024-08-21 20:43:50 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
--
- Frank Krygowski
I see you've finally realized what a joke you are. Tell us what you did as a "olant engineer" and why they fired you.
I think we might need you to explain what you think an "olant engineers"
responsibilities are first.
If you were actually an engineer you would have sufficient IQ to recognize a typo. So I guess you've been lying about your position. So you must be an assembler.
Gee, I never though if might be a typo <eyeroll>
If you had sufficient IQ you'd figure out how to turn on the spell
checker. It certainly won't stop you from embarrassing yourself, but it
might help give some cover over your drunk posting.
How's that libel lawsuit coming, you drunk -assed bitch?
Assemblers are like water they boil at the drop of a hat.
You wouldn't be qualified to sweep floors in any company Ive ever worked
at, let alone be an assembler
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cyclintom
2024-08-21 22:20:33 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
--
- Frank Krygowski
I see you've finally realized what a joke you are. Tell us what you did as a "olant engineer" and why they fired you.
I think we might need you to explain what you think an "olant engineers"
responsibilities are first.
If you were actually an engineer you would have sufficient IQ to recognize a typo. So I guess you've been lying about your position. So you must be an assembler.
Gee, I never though if might be a typo <eyeroll>
If you had sufficient IQ you'd figure out how to turn on the spell
checker. It certainly won't stop you from embarrassing yourself, but it
might help give some cover over your drunk posting.
How's that libel lawsuit coming, you drunk -assed bitch?
Assemblers are like water they boil at the drop of a hat.
You wouldn't be qualified to sweep floors in any company Ive ever worked
at, let alone be an assembler
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I guess that's why you've nebver worked at what would be called a successful company in California. How much did you say that 401k is worth? $2,500? Why you're just rolling in it.
Zen Cycle
2024-08-22 13:57:05 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
--
- Frank Krygowski
I see you've finally realized what a joke you are. Tell us what you did as a "olant engineer" and why they fired you.
I think we might need you to explain what you think an "olant engineers"
responsibilities are first.
If you were actually an engineer you would have sufficient IQ to recognize a typo. So I guess you've been lying about your position. So you must be an assembler.
Gee, I never though if might be a typo <eyeroll>
If you had sufficient IQ you'd figure out how to turn on the spell
checker. It certainly won't stop you from embarrassing yourself, but it
might help give some cover over your drunk posting.
How's that libel lawsuit coming, you drunk -assed bitch?
Assemblers are like water they boil at the drop of a hat.
You wouldn't be qualified to sweep floors in any company Ive ever worked
at, let alone be an assembler
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I guess that's why you've nebver worked at what would be called a successful company in California.
Or, it could be that I've never lived in CA, dumbass.
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How much did you say that 401k is worth? $2,500? Why you're just rolling in it.
Which would be significantly worth more than your investments.
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zen cycle
2024-08-23 09:15:59 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on
Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to
opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3)
status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the
salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA!  :-)
--
- Frank Krygowski
I see you've finally realized what a joke you are. Tell us what
you did as a "olant engineer" and why they fired you.
I think we might need you to explain what you think an "olant engineers"
responsibilities are first.
If you were actually an engineer you would have sufficient IQ to
recognize a typo. So I guess you've been lying about your
position. So you must be an assembler.
Gee, I never though if might be a typo <eyeroll>
If you had sufficient IQ you'd figure out how to turn on the spell
checker. It certainly won't stop you from embarrassing yourself, but it
might help give some cover over your drunk posting.
How's that libel lawsuit coming, you drunk -assed bitch?
Assemblers are like water they boil at the drop of a hat.
You wouldn't be qualified to sweep floors in any company Ive ever worked
at, let alone be an assembler
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I guess that's why you've nebver worked at what would be called a
successful company in California.
Or, it could be that I've never lived in CA, dumbass.
Actually, I _did_ work for a very successful California-based company
for ten years. It was called Hewlett-Packard before it spun off the
Agilent. Perhaps you've heard of it/them. They're still there, both
based in California, right in the area where you claim "all the high
tech is gone and there are no jobs left".
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How much did you say that 401k is worth? $2,500? Why you're just rolling in it.
Which would be significantly worth more than your investments.
cyclintom
2024-08-26 18:18:28 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on
Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to
opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3)
status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the
salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
--
- Frank Krygowski
I see you've finally realized what a joke you are. Tell us what
you did as a "olant engineer" and why they fired you.
I think we might need you to explain what you think an "olant engineers"
responsibilities are first.
If you were actually an engineer you would have sufficient IQ to
recognize a typo. So I guess you've been lying about your
position. So you must be an assembler.
Gee, I never though if might be a typo <eyeroll>
If you had sufficient IQ you'd figure out how to turn on the spell
checker. It certainly won't stop you from embarrassing yourself, but it
might help give some cover over your drunk posting.
How's that libel lawsuit coming, you drunk -assed bitch?
Assemblers are like water they boil at the drop of a hat.
You wouldn't be qualified to sweep floors in any company Ive ever worked
at, let alone be an assembler
--
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I guess that's why you've nebver worked at what would be called a
successful company in California.
Or, it could be that I've never lived in CA, dumbass.
Actually, I _did_ work for a very successful California-based company
for ten years. It was called Hewlett-Packard before it spun off the
Agilent. Perhaps you've heard of it/them. They're still there, both
based in California, right in the area where you claim "all the high
tech is gone and there are no jobs left".
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How much did you say that 401k is worth? $2,500? Why you're just rolling in it.
Which would be significantly worth more than your investments.
H-P is STILL based in Palo Alto (which is NOT part of Silicon Valley) because the Hewlitt and Packard families are so stinking rich they don't even notice the excessive taxation. But Gavin Loathsome is working on that right now. What do you suppose they will do when they disccover that he is using their money to pay for downpayments for the home buying in their neighborhoods of illegal aliens?

My, my, you really are a dreamer. You really can program, you just can't understand a simple program. Electric cars don't burn. I didn't get rich designing and programming medical and laboratory instruments. You're doing so much better than me that it is a laugh. You're a Cat 3 racer that enjoys being lapped twice in a 10 mile race. Are you sure that you and Liebermann aren't kissing cousins or just kissing?

You never made one mention of having a wife until it became important to have one to "prove" you're not queer. Suddenly you're married but why did you never mention her in any other postings? Are you that self important that she is absolutely NOTHING?

Because of my experience trying to find the cause of AIDS, I know the way queers talk and you're one for almost certain. I suppose that you could be an outlier, but I have never seen a straight person so self important as you. Your 2 bit comments about spelling errors are part of that in case you're unaware of it.
Shadow
2024-08-26 19:44:55 UTC
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the Hewlitt and Packard families are so stinking rich they don't even notice the excessive taxation.
If they don't notice it, it's obviously not "excessive".
If the working class notices taxes, maybe they should be
reduced.

Does your representative propose making billionaires "notice"
taxes too? (AKA, abolishing loopholes in legislation).
Or do you think rich people should be exempt?
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Zen Cycle
2024-08-26 22:21:23 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on
Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to
opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3)
status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the
salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
--
- Frank Krygowski
I see you've finally realized what a joke you are. Tell us what
you did as a "olant engineer" and why they fired you.
I think we might need you to explain what you think an "olant engineers"
responsibilities are first.
If you were actually an engineer you would have sufficient IQ to
recognize a typo. So I guess you've been lying about your
position. So you must be an assembler.
Gee, I never though if might be a typo <eyeroll>
If you had sufficient IQ you'd figure out how to turn on the spell
checker. It certainly won't stop you from embarrassing yourself, but it
might help give some cover over your drunk posting.
How's that libel lawsuit coming, you drunk -assed bitch?
Assemblers are like water they boil at the drop of a hat.
You wouldn't be qualified to sweep floors in any company Ive ever worked
at, let alone be an assembler
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I guess that's why you've nebver worked at what would be called a
successful company in California.
Or, it could be that I've never lived in CA, dumbass.
Actually, I _did_ work for a very successful California-based company
for ten years. It was called Hewlett-Packard before it spun off the
Agilent. Perhaps you've heard of it/them. They're still there, both
based in California, right in the area where you claim "all the high
tech is gone and there are no jobs left".
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How much did you say that 401k is worth? $2,500? Why you're just rolling in it.
Which would be significantly worth more than your investments.
H-P is STILL based in Palo Alto (which is NOT part of Silicon Valley) because the Hewlitt and Packard families are so stinking rich they don't even notice the excessive taxation. But Gavin Loathsome is working on that right now. What do you suppose they will do when they disccover that he is using their money to pay for downpayments for the home buying in their neighborhoods of illegal aliens?
Vote for him
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My, my, you really are a dreamer. You really can program
yup
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you just can't understand a simple program.
No matter how many times you tell that lie, it will never become true.
What _is_ true is that you didn't even understand the architecture of
the product until I pointed it out, after which you couldn't answer a
simple question about the A/D converter.
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Electric cars don't burn.
So you keep claiming. Too bad no one else here has made that claim.
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I didn't get rich designing and programming medical and laboratory instruments.
No, you didn't, you admitted in this forum you were living on social
security.
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You're doing so much better than me that it is a laugh.
Well, _I'm_ certainly laughing at you over it.
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You're a Cat 3 racer that enjoys being lapped twice in a 10 mile race.
Got a link to this ten mile race where I got lapped twice? I post
everything on Strava, so if it happened, it's there.
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Are you sure that you and Liebermann aren't kissing cousins or just kissing?
In the words of your buddy andre: Jutelist #1 - Repeatedly accusing
people of being "queer". He's a closeted queer, afraid people will find out.
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You never made one mention of having a wife until it became important to have one to "prove" you're not queer.
No matter how many times you tell that lie, it will never become true
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Suddenly you're married but why did you never mention her in any other postings?
Why would I?
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Are you that self important that she is absolutely NOTHING?
She's more than anything you ever were or even hoped to be in your
pathetic, drunken, racist, misogynistic,
broke-living-on-social-security, empty life.
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Because of my experience trying to find the cause of AIDS,
You were never involved in finding the cause for AIDS. HIV was
discovered discovered in 1983. Given that you weren't even work with
Mullis at that time, any claim you make of being involved in the
discovery of HIV are just more kunich tall tales
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I know the way queers talk and you're one for almost certain.
To follow up with your buddy andre's revealing hypothetical, it's more
likely due to your experience in san francisco bath houses.
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I suppose that you could be an outlier, but I have never seen a straight person so self important as you.
Have you looked in the mirror lately?
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Your 2 bit comments about spelling errors are part of that in case you're unaware of it.
"Must be a conspiracy of worldwide breadth.
Search in DuckDuckGo.com for "Face Recognician" returns:

No results found for "Face Recognician".
Suggestions:
Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
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cyclintom
2024-08-26 17:55:55 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
HAHAHAHAHA! :-)
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- Frank Krygowski
I see you've finally realized what a joke you are. Tell us what you did as a "olant engineer" and why they fired you.
I think we might need you to explain what you think an "olant engineers"
responsibilities are first.
If you were actually an engineer you would have sufficient IQ to recognize a typo. So I guess you've been lying about your position. So you must be an assembler.
Gee, I never though if might be a typo <eyeroll>
If you had sufficient IQ you'd figure out how to turn on the spell
checker. It certainly won't stop you from embarrassing yourself, but it
might help give some cover over your drunk posting.
How's that libel lawsuit coming, you drunk -assed bitch?
Assemblers are like water they boil at the drop of a hat.
You wouldn't be qualified to sweep floors in any company Ive ever worked
at, let alone be an assembler
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I guess that's why you've nebver worked at what would be called a successful company in California.
Or, it could be that I've never lived in CA, dumbass.
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How much did you say that 401k is worth? $2,500? Why you're just rolling in it.
Which would be significantly worth more than your investments.
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Before I had my head injury I didn't work for any less than $180,000/year Now you can't find a job that pays that. Or, rather, they are paying that for competent engineers but they can't find any because colleges aren't turning them out anymore.

At one time, a PhD meant something. Now it means that the holder probably submitted a fake thesis. Most of them were wrong to begin with but now they are entire boondoggles. My boss for my last 10 or so years was a PhD and he was also the VP of Development at Berkeley Computer Company which was my second job out of the Air Force.

Thanks to the Democrats, Silicon Valley is gone. Most of the companies are gone to other states and taken all of the talent with them. I have emails almost dailey to move to Arizona, Texas or Washington for much lower wages than I would work for.

You're a government control freak despite the fact that it is hurting you. I have more money in my investment account now than you'll ever make in your lifetime and you've done it to yourself. There is NO difference between being fired and being laid off without a good recommendation.
Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-18 03:17:31 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
The potential loss of 501(c)(3) status will have no effect on Facebook
(Meta) operations in foreign countries including UK. None of the
countries (except US) where Facebook operates would care about its
Facebook's US tax status. In other words, you're lying again.
Repeating the same lies several times isn't doing what's left of your
reputation much good.

I can tolerate liars to some degree. Those can be found everywhere.
However, bad liars, who can't even contrive a believable story, are a
very different story. Tom, you're intolerable.

I seem to recall demonstrating how you could check if Facebook is
registered as a charitable organization. The short version is that
they are not currently a registered charitable organization and are
therefore unable to receive tax deductible charitable contributions.
See below:



(Aug 12, 2024)

501(c)(3) are for non-profit organizations. Facebook is not a
non-profit and seems to be making a profit:
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/277229/facebooks-annual-revenue-and-net-income/>

"Tax Exempt Organization Search"
<https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/>

I found a listing for:
Facebook Community Fund
EIN: 83-0801066

<https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/830801066_202206_990PF_2023102621787057.pdf>
Facebook Community Fund was dissolved June 23, 2022. See bottom of
the
990-PF filing. The most recent activities were $2.4 million in
undistributed income from 2019 to 2021.

Nothing resembling a charity under their new name, Meta Platforms Inc.
Hmm...
"Facebook Community Fund is under common control with Meta Platforms,
Inc. PAC. However, Facebooks Community Fund does not have any
transactions with, or a historic and continuing relationship with Meta
Platforms, Inc. PAC."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_Platforms>
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cyclintom
2024-08-18 14:45:06 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
The potential loss of 501(c)(3) status will have no effect on Facebook
(Meta) operations in foreign countries including UK. None of the
countries (except US) where Facebook operates would care about its
Facebook's US tax status. In other words, you're lying again.
Repeating the same lies several times isn't doing what's left of your
reputation much good.
I can tolerate liars to some degree. Those can be found everywhere.
However, bad liars, who can't even contrive a believable story, are a
very different story. Tom, you're intolerable.
I seem to recall demonstrating how you could check if Facebook is
registered as a charitable organization. The short version is that
they are not currently a registered charitable organization and are
therefore unable to receive tax deductible charitable contributions.
(Aug 12, 2024)
501(c)(3) are for non-profit organizations. Facebook is not a
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/277229/facebooks-annual-revenue-and-net-income/>
"Tax Exempt Organization Search"
<https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/>
Facebook Community Fund
EIN: 83-0801066
<https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/830801066_202206_990PF_2023102621787057.pdf>
Facebook Community Fund was dissolved June 23, 2022. See bottom of
the
990-PF filing. The most recent activities were $2.4 million in
undistributed income from 2019 to 2021.
Nothing resembling a charity under their new name, Meta Platforms Inc.
Hmm...
"Facebook Community Fund is under common control with Meta Platforms,
Inc. PAC. However, Facebooks Community Fund does not have any
transactions with, or a historic and continuing relationship with Meta
Platforms, Inc. PAC."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_Platforms>
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As usual you work overtime to show what an incompetent fool you are. Facebook is nothing more than social media in other countries but their INCOME is taxed here in the US and with loss of their tax exempt status, and the federal government and Gavin Loathsome looking for ANY source of income to try and offset the billions of deficit spending they could be pinioned to a post.

Only some worthless person on welfare could possibly not understand tax implications.
Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-18 19:51:35 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
The potential loss of 501(c)(3) status will have no effect on Facebook
(Meta) operations in foreign countries including UK. None of the
countries (except US) where Facebook operates would care about its
Facebook's US tax status. In other words, you're lying again.
Repeating the same lies several times isn't doing what's left of your
reputation much good.
I can tolerate liars to some degree. Those can be found everywhere.
However, bad liars, who can't even contrive a believable story, are a
very different story. Tom, you're intolerable.
I seem to recall demonstrating how you could check if Facebook is
registered as a charitable organization. The short version is that
they are not currently a registered charitable organization and are
therefore unable to receive tax deductible charitable contributions.
(Aug 12, 2024)
501(c)(3) are for non-profit organizations. Facebook is not a
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/277229/facebooks-annual-revenue-and-net-income/>
"Tax Exempt Organization Search"
<https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/>
Facebook Community Fund
EIN: 83-0801066
<https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/830801066_202206_990PF_2023102621787057.pdf>
Facebook Community Fund was dissolved June 23, 2022. See bottom of
the
990-PF filing. The most recent activities were $2.4 million in
undistributed income from 2019 to 2021.
Nothing resembling a charity under their new name, Meta Platforms Inc.
Hmm...
"Facebook Community Fund is under common control with Meta Platforms,
Inc. PAC. However, Facebooks Community Fund does not have any
transactions with, or a historic and continuing relationship with Meta
Platforms, Inc. PAC."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_Platforms>
As usual you work overtime to show what an incompetent fool you are. Facebook is nothing more than social media in other countries but their INCOME is taxed here in the US and with loss of their tax exempt status, and the federal government and Gavin Loathsome looking for ANY source of income to try and offset the billions of deficit spending they could be pinioned to a post.
You didn't seem to have read or are able to understand what I wrote.
501(c)(3) registered organizations are those recognized by the IRS as
charities who may receive tax deductible contributions from
individuals or companies. Facebook is not a charity.

"Do Facebook and Google pay taxes to foreign governments for the
profit they make in their countries?"
<https://www.quora.com/Do-Facebook-and-Google-pay-taxes-to-foreign-governments-for-the-profit-they-make-in-their-countries>
"I can answer for Europe. Google & Facebook pay taxes in Ireland. A
lot of EU countries are trying to contest the matter in court and
charge them overdue taxes in their own countries but I don’t have
final insights on whether they succeeded."

Here's a short list of countries where Facebook pays collects and/or
pays taxes:
<https://developers.facebook.com/docs/payments/reference/taxes/other_regions_countries/>

Note that Facebook/Meta users also pay EU VAT taxes:
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/155641834501332>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/133076073434794>
I'm not sure what happens when you sell something on Facebook
Marketplace with your UK based Facebook account:
"If you're not purchasing Meta ads for a business purpose but rather a
private non-business purpose; we apply VAT to the cost of your Meta ad
purchase at the applicable local tax rate."
In other words, you pay your UK taxes to Meta, which then pays the UK
taxing authority. Notice that the US is not involved.
Post by cyclintom
Only some worthless person on welfare could possibly not understand tax implications.
Only a compulsive liar would post wrong information without doing a
simple online fact check. This one took about 5 min to demonstrate
the problem.
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
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Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
cyclintom
2024-08-18 22:35:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
The potential loss of 501(c)(3) status will have no effect on Facebook
(Meta) operations in foreign countries including UK. None of the
countries (except US) where Facebook operates would care about its
Facebook's US tax status. In other words, you're lying again.
Repeating the same lies several times isn't doing what's left of your
reputation much good.
I can tolerate liars to some degree. Those can be found everywhere.
However, bad liars, who can't even contrive a believable story, are a
very different story. Tom, you're intolerable.
I seem to recall demonstrating how you could check if Facebook is
registered as a charitable organization. The short version is that
they are not currently a registered charitable organization and are
therefore unable to receive tax deductible charitable contributions.
(Aug 12, 2024)
501(c)(3) are for non-profit organizations. Facebook is not a
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/277229/facebooks-annual-revenue-and-net-income/>
"Tax Exempt Organization Search"
<https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/>
Facebook Community Fund
EIN: 83-0801066
<https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/830801066_202206_990PF_2023102621787057.pdf>
Facebook Community Fund was dissolved June 23, 2022. See bottom of
the
990-PF filing. The most recent activities were $2.4 million in
undistributed income from 2019 to 2021.
Nothing resembling a charity under their new name, Meta Platforms Inc.
Hmm...
"Facebook Community Fund is under common control with Meta Platforms,
Inc. PAC. However, Facebooks Community Fund does not have any
transactions with, or a historic and continuing relationship with Meta
Platforms, Inc. PAC."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_Platforms>
As usual you work overtime to show what an incompetent fool you are. Facebook is nothing more than social media in other countries but their INCOME is taxed here in the US and with loss of their tax exempt status, and the federal government and Gavin Loathsome looking for ANY source of income to try and offset the billions of deficit spending they could be pinioned to a post.
You didn't seem to have read or are able to understand what I wrote.
501(c)(3) registered organizations are those recognized by the IRS as
charities who may receive tax deductible contributions from
individuals or companies. Facebook is not a charity.
"Do Facebook and Google pay taxes to foreign governments for the
profit they make in their countries?"
<https://www.quora.com/Do-Facebook-and-Google-pay-taxes-to-foreign-governments-for-the-profit-they-make-in-their-countries>
"I can answer for Europe. Google & Facebook pay taxes in Ireland. A
lot of EU countries are trying to contest the matter in court and
charge them overdue taxes in their own countries but I don?t have
final insights on whether they succeeded."
Here's a short list of countries where Facebook pays collects and/or
<https://developers.facebook.com/docs/payments/reference/taxes/other_regions_countries/>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/155641834501332>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/133076073434794>
I'm not sure what happens when you sell something on Facebook
"If you're not purchasing Meta ads for a business purpose but rather a
private non-business purpose; we apply VAT to the cost of your Meta ad
purchase at the applicable local tax rate."
In other words, you pay your UK taxes to Meta, which then pays the UK
taxing authority. Notice that the US is not involved.
Post by cyclintom
Only some worthless person on welfare could possibly not understand tax implications.
Only a compulsive liar would post wrong information without doing a
simple online fact check. This one took about 5 min to demonstrate
the problem.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
You know, the reason you're on welfare is that you don't know one thing about money. It isn't even worth talking to you because you're just too stupid and you will say ANYTHING. You don't know anything about taxes because you.ve never made enough to pay any, So shut up about things you know nothiner about.
zen cycle
2024-08-19 09:37:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
As usual you work overtime to show what an incompetent fool you are. Facebook is nothing more than social media in other countries but their INCOME is taxed here in the US and with loss of their tax exempt status, and the federal government and Gavin Loathsome looking for ANY source of income to try and offset the billions of deficit spending they could be pinioned to a post.
You didn't seem to have read or are able to understand what I wrote.
501(c)(3) registered organizations are those recognized by the IRS as
charities who may receive tax deductible contributions from
individuals or companies. Facebook is not a charity.
"Do Facebook and Google pay taxes to foreign governments for the
profit they make in their countries?"
<https://www.quora.com/Do-Facebook-and-Google-pay-taxes-to-foreign-governments-for-the-profit-they-make-in-their-countries>
"I can answer for Europe. Google & Facebook pay taxes in Ireland. A
lot of EU countries are trying to contest the matter in court and
charge them overdue taxes in their own countries but I don?t have
final insights on whether they succeeded."
Here's a short list of countries where Facebook pays collects and/or
<https://developers.facebook.com/docs/payments/reference/taxes/other_regions_countries/>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/155641834501332>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/133076073434794>
I'm not sure what happens when you sell something on Facebook
"If you're not purchasing Meta ads for a business purpose but rather a
private non-business purpose; we apply VAT to the cost of your Meta ad
purchase at the applicable local tax rate."
In other words, you pay your UK taxes to Meta, which then pays the UK
taxing authority. Notice that the US is not involved.
Post by cyclintom
Only some worthless person on welfare could possibly not understand tax implications.
Only a compulsive liar would post wrong information without doing a
simple online fact check. This one took about 5 min to demonstrate
the problem.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
You know, the reason you're on welfare is that you don't know one thing about money.
tell us about you "bullet proof" stock funds again?
Post by cyclintom
It isn't even worth talking to you because you're just too stupid and you will say ANYTHING.
including a post where you don't address any of the issues at hand?
Post by cyclintom
You don't know anything about taxes because you.ve never made enough to pay any,
at least he didn't remarry a woman that stole all his money
Post by cyclintom
So shut up about things you know nothiner about.
take your own advice
cyclintom
2024-08-19 18:24:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
As usual you work overtime to show what an incompetent fool you are. Facebook is nothing more than social media in other countries but their INCOME is taxed here in the US and with loss of their tax exempt status, and the federal government and Gavin Loathsome looking for ANY source of income to try and offset the billions of deficit spending they could be pinioned to a post.
You didn't seem to have read or are able to understand what I wrote.
501(c)(3) registered organizations are those recognized by the IRS as
charities who may receive tax deductible contributions from
individuals or companies. Facebook is not a charity.
"Do Facebook and Google pay taxes to foreign governments for the
profit they make in their countries?"
<https://www.quora.com/Do-Facebook-and-Google-pay-taxes-to-foreign-governments-for-the-profit-they-make-in-their-countries>
"I can answer for Europe. Google & Facebook pay taxes in Ireland. A
lot of EU countries are trying to contest the matter in court and
charge them overdue taxes in their own countries but I don?t have
final insights on whether they succeeded."
Here's a short list of countries where Facebook pays collects and/or
<https://developers.facebook.com/docs/payments/reference/taxes/other_regions_countries/>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/155641834501332>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/133076073434794>
I'm not sure what happens when you sell something on Facebook
"If you're not purchasing Meta ads for a business purpose but rather a
private non-business purpose; we apply VAT to the cost of your Meta ad
purchase at the applicable local tax rate."
In other words, you pay your UK taxes to Meta, which then pays the UK
taxing authority. Notice that the US is not involved.
Post by cyclintom
Only some worthless person on welfare could possibly not understand tax implications.
Only a compulsive liar would post wrong information without doing a
simple online fact check. This one took about 5 min to demonstrate
the problem.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
You know, the reason you're on welfare is that you don't know one thing about money.
tell us about you "bullet proof" stock funds again?
Post by cyclintom
It isn't even worth talking to you because you're just too stupid and you will say ANYTHING.
including a post where you don't address any of the issues at hand?
Post by cyclintom
You don't know anything about taxes because you.ve never made enough to pay any,
at least he didn't remarry a woman that stole all his money
Post by cyclintom
So shut up about things you know nothiner about.
take your own advice
My funds are tied to inflation now so Sliden Biden can inflate all he likes and nothing hurts me. I am not going to tell you shit about what funds these are. I would just as soon watch you go down the sewer with the rest of your kind.
Zen Cycle
2024-08-19 19:08:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
As usual you work overtime to show what an incompetent fool you are. Facebook is nothing more than social media in other countries but their INCOME is taxed here in the US and with loss of their tax exempt status, and the federal government and Gavin Loathsome looking for ANY source of income to try and offset the billions of deficit spending they could be pinioned to a post.
You didn't seem to have read or are able to understand what I wrote.
501(c)(3) registered organizations are those recognized by the IRS as
charities who may receive tax deductible contributions from
individuals or companies. Facebook is not a charity.
"Do Facebook and Google pay taxes to foreign governments for the
profit they make in their countries?"
<https://www.quora.com/Do-Facebook-and-Google-pay-taxes-to-foreign-governments-for-the-profit-they-make-in-their-countries>
"I can answer for Europe. Google & Facebook pay taxes in Ireland. A
lot of EU countries are trying to contest the matter in court and
charge them overdue taxes in their own countries but I don?t have
final insights on whether they succeeded."
Here's a short list of countries where Facebook pays collects and/or
<https://developers.facebook.com/docs/payments/reference/taxes/other_regions_countries/>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/155641834501332>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/133076073434794>
I'm not sure what happens when you sell something on Facebook
"If you're not purchasing Meta ads for a business purpose but rather a
private non-business purpose; we apply VAT to the cost of your Meta ad
purchase at the applicable local tax rate."
In other words, you pay your UK taxes to Meta, which then pays the UK
taxing authority. Notice that the US is not involved.
Post by cyclintom
Only some worthless person on welfare could possibly not understand tax implications.
Only a compulsive liar would post wrong information without doing a
simple online fact check. This one took about 5 min to demonstrate
the problem.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
You know, the reason you're on welfare is that you don't know one thing about money.
tell us about you "bullet proof" stock funds again?
Post by cyclintom
It isn't even worth talking to you because you're just too stupid and you will say ANYTHING.
including a post where you don't address any of the issues at hand?
Post by cyclintom
You don't know anything about taxes because you.ve never made enough to pay any,
at least he didn't remarry a woman that stole all his money
Post by cyclintom
So shut up about things you know nothiner about.
take your own advice
My funds are tied to inflation now so Sliden Biden can inflate all he likes and nothing hurts me.
Oh, you mean this inflation?
https://apnews.com/article/inflation-prices-interest-rates-economy-federal-reserve-f8de2672173407d3a126cc13493fed85
Post by cyclintom
I am not going to tell you shit about what funds these are.
Because they exist in the same plane as your PWM cable testing technique
- IOW, it's bullshit
Post by cyclintom
I would just as soon watch you go down the sewer with the rest of your kind.
There won't be any room there for my kind, your kind are filling it up
(fast).
--
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cyclintom
2024-08-21 16:56:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
As usual you work overtime to show what an incompetent fool you are. Facebook is nothing more than social media in other countries but their INCOME is taxed here in the US and with loss of their tax exempt status, and the federal government and Gavin Loathsome looking for ANY source of income to try and offset the billions of deficit spending they could be pinioned to a post.
You didn't seem to have read or are able to understand what I wrote.
501(c)(3) registered organizations are those recognized by the IRS as
charities who may receive tax deductible contributions from
individuals or companies. Facebook is not a charity.
"Do Facebook and Google pay taxes to foreign governments for the
profit they make in their countries?"
<https://www.quora.com/Do-Facebook-and-Google-pay-taxes-to-foreign-governments-for-the-profit-they-make-in-their-countries>
"I can answer for Europe. Google & Facebook pay taxes in Ireland. A
lot of EU countries are trying to contest the matter in court and
charge them overdue taxes in their own countries but I don?t have
final insights on whether they succeeded."
Here's a short list of countries where Facebook pays collects and/or
<https://developers.facebook.com/docs/payments/reference/taxes/other_regions_countries/>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/155641834501332>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/133076073434794>
I'm not sure what happens when you sell something on Facebook
"If you're not purchasing Meta ads for a business purpose but rather a
private non-business purpose; we apply VAT to the cost of your Meta ad
purchase at the applicable local tax rate."
In other words, you pay your UK taxes to Meta, which then pays the UK
taxing authority. Notice that the US is not involved.
Post by cyclintom
Only some worthless person on welfare could possibly not understand tax implications.
Only a compulsive liar would post wrong information without doing a
simple online fact check. This one took about 5 min to demonstrate
the problem.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
You know, the reason you're on welfare is that you don't know one thing about money.
tell us about you "bullet proof" stock funds again?
Post by cyclintom
It isn't even worth talking to you because you're just too stupid and you will say ANYTHING.
including a post where you don't address any of the issues at hand?
Post by cyclintom
You don't know anything about taxes because you.ve never made enough to pay any,
at least he didn't remarry a woman that stole all his money
Post by cyclintom
So shut up about things you know nothiner about.
take your own advice
My funds are tied to inflation now so Sliden Biden can inflate all he likes and nothing hurts me.
Oh, you mean this inflation?
https://apnews.com/article/inflation-prices-interest-rates-economy-federal-reserve-f8de2672173407d3a126cc13493fed85
Post by cyclintom
I am not going to tell you shit about what funds these are.
Because they exist in the same plane as your PWM cable testing technique
- IOW, it's bullshit
Post by cyclintom
I would just as soon watch you go down the sewer with the rest of your kind.
There won't be any room there for my kind, your kind are filling it up
(fast).
--
Add xx to reply
I just needed $7000 and simply made a call. It had no effect on my account since that was less than the interest I have last month. I can go out to a restaurant every night if I want to. Tell me about that 401k you have again?
Zen Cycle
2024-08-21 20:49:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by cyclintom
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
As usual you work overtime to show what an incompetent fool you are. Facebook is nothing more than social media in other countries but their INCOME is taxed here in the US and with loss of their tax exempt status, and the federal government and Gavin Loathsome looking for ANY source of income to try and offset the billions of deficit spending they could be pinioned to a post.
You didn't seem to have read or are able to understand what I wrote.
501(c)(3) registered organizations are those recognized by the IRS as
charities who may receive tax deductible contributions from
individuals or companies. Facebook is not a charity.
"Do Facebook and Google pay taxes to foreign governments for the
profit they make in their countries?"
<https://www.quora.com/Do-Facebook-and-Google-pay-taxes-to-foreign-governments-for-the-profit-they-make-in-their-countries>
"I can answer for Europe. Google & Facebook pay taxes in Ireland. A
lot of EU countries are trying to contest the matter in court and
charge them overdue taxes in their own countries but I don?t have
final insights on whether they succeeded."
Here's a short list of countries where Facebook pays collects and/or
<https://developers.facebook.com/docs/payments/reference/taxes/other_regions_countries/>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/155641834501332>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/133076073434794>
I'm not sure what happens when you sell something on Facebook
"If you're not purchasing Meta ads for a business purpose but rather a
private non-business purpose; we apply VAT to the cost of your Meta ad
purchase at the applicable local tax rate."
In other words, you pay your UK taxes to Meta, which then pays the UK
taxing authority. Notice that the US is not involved.
Post by cyclintom
Only some worthless person on welfare could possibly not understand tax implications.
Only a compulsive liar would post wrong information without doing a
simple online fact check. This one took about 5 min to demonstrate
the problem.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
You know, the reason you're on welfare is that you don't know one thing about money.
tell us about you "bullet proof" stock funds again?
Post by cyclintom
It isn't even worth talking to you because you're just too stupid and you will say ANYTHING.
including a post where you don't address any of the issues at hand?
Post by cyclintom
You don't know anything about taxes because you.ve never made enough to pay any,
at least he didn't remarry a woman that stole all his money
Post by cyclintom
So shut up about things you know nothiner about.
take your own advice
My funds are tied to inflation now so Sliden Biden can inflate all he likes and nothing hurts me.
Oh, you mean this inflation?
https://apnews.com/article/inflation-prices-interest-rates-economy-federal-reserve-f8de2672173407d3a126cc13493fed85
Post by cyclintom
I am not going to tell you shit about what funds these are.
Because they exist in the same plane as your PWM cable testing technique
- IOW, it's bullshit
Post by cyclintom
I would just as soon watch you go down the sewer with the rest of your kind.
There won't be any room there for my kind, your kind are filling it up
(fast).
--
Add xx to reply
I just needed $7000 and simply made a call. It had no effect on my account since that was less than the interest I have last month.
bullshit. You're broke, living on SS, and have a reverse mortgage.
Post by cyclintom
I can go out to a restaurant every night if I want to.
Yay! I'm sure the local Arby's appreciates your patronage.
Post by cyclintom
Tell me about that 401k you have again?
Again? I've never mentioned any aspect of my portfolio, but you'd have
to be more specific as to "that" 401K, I have several, in addition two
Roth plans and stock funds.
--
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cyclintom
2024-08-27 14:47:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
As usual you work overtime to show what an incompetent fool you are. Facebook is nothing more than social media in other countries but their INCOME is taxed here in the US and with loss of their tax exempt status, and the federal government and Gavin Loathsome looking for ANY source of income to try and offset the billions of deficit spending they could be pinioned to a post.
You didn't seem to have read or are able to understand what I wrote.
501(c)(3) registered organizations are those recognized by the IRS as
charities who may receive tax deductible contributions from
individuals or companies. Facebook is not a charity.
"Do Facebook and Google pay taxes to foreign governments for the
profit they make in their countries?"
<https://www.quora.com/Do-Facebook-and-Google-pay-taxes-to-foreign-governments-for-the-profit-they-make-in-their-countries>
"I can answer for Europe. Google & Facebook pay taxes in Ireland. A
lot of EU countries are trying to contest the matter in court and
charge them overdue taxes in their own countries but I don?t have
final insights on whether they succeeded."
Here's a short list of countries where Facebook pays collects and/or
<https://developers.facebook.com/docs/payments/reference/taxes/other_regions_countries/>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/155641834501332>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/133076073434794>
I'm not sure what happens when you sell something on Facebook
"If you're not purchasing Meta ads for a business purpose but rather a
private non-business purpose; we apply VAT to the cost of your Meta ad
purchase at the applicable local tax rate."
In other words, you pay your UK taxes to Meta, which then pays the UK
taxing authority. Notice that the US is not involved.
Post by cyclintom
Only some worthless person on welfare could possibly not understand tax implications.
Only a compulsive liar would post wrong information without doing a
simple online fact check. This one took about 5 min to demonstrate
the problem.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
You know, the reason you're on welfare is that you don't know one thing about money.
tell us about you "bullet proof" stock funds again?
Post by cyclintom
It isn't even worth talking to you because you're just too stupid and you will say ANYTHING.
including a post where you don't address any of the issues at hand?
Post by cyclintom
You don't know anything about taxes because you.ve never made enough to pay any,
at least he didn't remarry a woman that stole all his money
Post by cyclintom
So shut up about things you know nothiner about.
take your own advice
My funds are tied to inflation now so Sliden Biden can inflate all he likes and nothing hurts me.
Oh, you mean this inflation?
https://apnews.com/article/inflation-prices-interest-rates-economy-federal-reserve-f8de2672173407d3a126cc13493fed85
Post by cyclintom
I am not going to tell you shit about what funds these are.
Because they exist in the same plane as your PWM cable testing technique
- IOW, it's bullshit
Post by cyclintom
I would just as soon watch you go down the sewer with the rest of your kind.
There won't be any room there for my kind, your kind are filling it up
(fast).
--
Add xx to reply
I just needed $7000 and simply made a call. It had no effect on my account since that was less than the interest I have last month.
bullshit. You're broke, living on SS, and have a reverse mortgage.
Post by cyclintom
I can go out to a restaurant every night if I want to.
Yay! I'm sure the local Arby's appreciates your patronage.
Post by cyclintom
Tell me about that 401k you have again?
Again? I've never mentioned any aspect of my portfolio, but you'd have
to be more specific as to "that" 401K, I have several, in addition two
Roth plans and stock funds.
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If I were the drunk you claim I would have been arrested more than once and after I had been treated for my seizures.

If I had a reverse mortgage or ANY mortgage it would be a matter of public record.

You can't even remember that you said that you had a 401k and "I'm doing OK". Actually you're little more than a loud mouth joke.
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2024-08-27 17:45:15 UTC
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If I had a reverse mortgage or ANY mortgage it would be a matter of public record.
I already tried that and failed. To get that information, Alameda
County required a personal visit or phone call to their records
office. I haven't bothered.

<https://www.acassessor.org/property-ownership-2/>
"We are often asked why ownership information is not posted on our
website since property ownership is part of the assessment roll which
by law is a public document. With the introduction of the Internet,
government is faced with the issue of balancing public information
requirements with the privacy rights of individuals. The Assessor is
legally prohibited from posting the home address of any elected or
appointed official, including safety officers and retired officials,
on the Internet. As the cost and effort to continuously update this
information is prohibitive, we do not display the names of any
property owner on our website."

"Property Search"
<https://propinfo.acgov.org/>
I plugged in Tom's address and found that no owner specific
information was available online.
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Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-19 16:01:19 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
The potential loss of 501(c)(3) status will have no effect on Facebook
(Meta) operations in foreign countries including UK. None of the
countries (except US) where Facebook operates would care about its
Facebook's US tax status. In other words, you're lying again.
Repeating the same lies several times isn't doing what's left of your
reputation much good.
I can tolerate liars to some degree. Those can be found everywhere.
However, bad liars, who can't even contrive a believable story, are a
very different story. Tom, you're intolerable.
I seem to recall demonstrating how you could check if Facebook is
registered as a charitable organization. The short version is that
they are not currently a registered charitable organization and are
therefore unable to receive tax deductible charitable contributions.
(Aug 12, 2024)
501(c)(3) are for non-profit organizations. Facebook is not a
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/277229/facebooks-annual-revenue-and-net-income/>
"Tax Exempt Organization Search"
<https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/>
Facebook Community Fund
EIN: 83-0801066
<https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/830801066_202206_990PF_2023102621787057.pdf>
Facebook Community Fund was dissolved June 23, 2022. See bottom of
the
990-PF filing. The most recent activities were $2.4 million in
undistributed income from 2019 to 2021.
Nothing resembling a charity under their new name, Meta Platforms Inc.
Hmm...
"Facebook Community Fund is under common control with Meta Platforms,
Inc. PAC. However, Facebooks Community Fund does not have any
transactions with, or a historic and continuing relationship with Meta
Platforms, Inc. PAC."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_Platforms>
As usual you work overtime to show what an incompetent fool you are. Facebook is nothing more than social media in other countries but their INCOME is taxed here in the US and with loss of their tax exempt status, and the federal government and Gavin Loathsome looking for ANY source of income to try and offset the billions of deficit spending they could be pinioned to a post.
You didn't seem to have read or are able to understand what I wrote.
501(c)(3) registered organizations are those recognized by the IRS as
charities who may receive tax deductible contributions from
individuals or companies. Facebook is not a charity.
"Do Facebook and Google pay taxes to foreign governments for the
profit they make in their countries?"
<https://www.quora.com/Do-Facebook-and-Google-pay-taxes-to-foreign-governments-for-the-profit-they-make-in-their-countries>
"I can answer for Europe. Google & Facebook pay taxes in Ireland. A
lot of EU countries are trying to contest the matter in court and
charge them overdue taxes in their own countries but I don?t have
final insights on whether they succeeded."
Here's a short list of countries where Facebook pays collects and/or
<https://developers.facebook.com/docs/payments/reference/taxes/other_regions_countries/>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/155641834501332>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/133076073434794>
I'm not sure what happens when you sell something on Facebook
"If you're not purchasing Meta ads for a business purpose but rather a
private non-business purpose; we apply VAT to the cost of your Meta ad
purchase at the applicable local tax rate."
In other words, you pay your UK taxes to Meta, which then pays the UK
taxing authority. Notice that the US is not involved.
Post by cyclintom
Only some worthless person on welfare could possibly not understand tax implications.
Only a compulsive liar would post wrong information without doing a
simple online fact check. This one took about 5 min to demonstrate
the problem.
You know,
Yes, I do know everything.
Post by cyclintom
the reason you're on welfare is that you don't know one thing
about money.
What does what I know about money have to do with whether
Facebook/Meta is a 501(c)(3) charity? For that matter, what does
anything I own, do, ride, believe or look like have to do with whether
Facebook/Meta is a 501(c)(3) charity? All I did was cite a recognized
source of reliable information (i.e. the IRS) about the charitable
deduction status of Facebook. I could be wealthy beyond your limited
imagination or totally impoverished and it would not have any effect
on US tax law of Facebooks 501(c)(3) status.
Post by cyclintom
It isn't even worth talking to you because you're just too stupid
and you will say ANYTHING.
Feel free to call me stupid. Nobody believes you anyway and my
alleged stupidity has no effect on your mistakes.
Post by cyclintom
You don't know anything about taxes because you.ve never made
enough to pay any,
Whether I know anything about taxes has no effect on you being wrong
about Facebook's 501(c)(3) status.

Incidentally, if someone has made substantial amounts of money, paying
taxes can be a sign that either they or their tax accountants don't
know what their doing. Paying very little in taxes is the mark of
someone who does know how the US tax system functions.
Post by cyclintom
So shut up about things you know nothiner about.
I'll resist the temptation to turn that into a parody. I don't
believe that acting like a fool is the proper way to ridicule a fool.
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cyclintom
2024-08-19 18:21:55 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
The potential loss of 501(c)(3) status will have no effect on Facebook
(Meta) operations in foreign countries including UK. None of the
countries (except US) where Facebook operates would care about its
Facebook's US tax status. In other words, you're lying again.
Repeating the same lies several times isn't doing what's left of your
reputation much good.
I can tolerate liars to some degree. Those can be found everywhere.
However, bad liars, who can't even contrive a believable story, are a
very different story. Tom, you're intolerable.
I seem to recall demonstrating how you could check if Facebook is
registered as a charitable organization. The short version is that
they are not currently a registered charitable organization and are
therefore unable to receive tax deductible charitable contributions.
(Aug 12, 2024)
501(c)(3) are for non-profit organizations. Facebook is not a
<https://www.statista.com/statistics/277229/facebooks-annual-revenue-and-net-income/>
"Tax Exempt Organization Search"
<https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/>
Facebook Community Fund
EIN: 83-0801066
<https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/830801066_202206_990PF_2023102621787057.pdf>
Facebook Community Fund was dissolved June 23, 2022. See bottom of
the
990-PF filing. The most recent activities were $2.4 million in
undistributed income from 2019 to 2021.
Nothing resembling a charity under their new name, Meta Platforms Inc.
Hmm...
"Facebook Community Fund is under common control with Meta Platforms,
Inc. PAC. However, Facebooks Community Fund does not have any
transactions with, or a historic and continuing relationship with Meta
Platforms, Inc. PAC."
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_Platforms>
As usual you work overtime to show what an incompetent fool you are. Facebook is nothing more than social media in other countries but their INCOME is taxed here in the US and with loss of their tax exempt status, and the federal government and Gavin Loathsome looking for ANY source of income to try and offset the billions of deficit spending they could be pinioned to a post.
You didn't seem to have read or are able to understand what I wrote.
501(c)(3) registered organizations are those recognized by the IRS as
charities who may receive tax deductible contributions from
individuals or companies. Facebook is not a charity.
"Do Facebook and Google pay taxes to foreign governments for the
profit they make in their countries?"
<https://www.quora.com/Do-Facebook-and-Google-pay-taxes-to-foreign-governments-for-the-profit-they-make-in-their-countries>
"I can answer for Europe. Google & Facebook pay taxes in Ireland. A
lot of EU countries are trying to contest the matter in court and
charge them overdue taxes in their own countries but I don?t have
final insights on whether they succeeded."
Here's a short list of countries where Facebook pays collects and/or
<https://developers.facebook.com/docs/payments/reference/taxes/other_regions_countries/>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/155641834501332>
<https://www.facebook.com/business/help/133076073434794>
I'm not sure what happens when you sell something on Facebook
"If you're not purchasing Meta ads for a business purpose but rather a
private non-business purpose; we apply VAT to the cost of your Meta ad
purchase at the applicable local tax rate."
In other words, you pay your UK taxes to Meta, which then pays the UK
taxing authority. Notice that the US is not involved.
Post by cyclintom
Only some worthless person on welfare could possibly not understand tax implications.
Only a compulsive liar would post wrong information without doing a
simple online fact check. This one took about 5 min to demonstrate
the problem.
You know,
Yes, I do know everything.
Post by cyclintom
the reason you're on welfare is that you don't know one thing
about money.
What does what I know about money have to do with whether
Facebook/Meta is a 501(c)(3) charity? For that matter, what does
anything I own, do, ride, believe or look like have to do with whether
Facebook/Meta is a 501(c)(3) charity? All I did was cite a recognized
source of reliable information (i.e. the IRS) about the charitable
deduction status of Facebook. I could be wealthy beyond your limited
imagination or totally impoverished and it would not have any effect
on US tax law of Facebooks 501(c)(3) status.
Post by cyclintom
It isn't even worth talking to you because you're just too stupid
and you will say ANYTHING.
Feel free to call me stupid. Nobody believes you anyway and my
alleged stupidity has no effect on your mistakes.
Post by cyclintom
You don't know anything about taxes because you.ve never made
enough to pay any,
Whether I know anything about taxes has no effect on you being wrong
about Facebook's 501(c)(3) status.
Incidentally, if someone has made substantial amounts of money, paying
taxes can be a sign that either they or their tax accountants don't
know what their doing. Paying very little in taxes is the mark of
someone who does know how the US tax system functions.
Post by cyclintom
So shut up about things you know nothiner about.
I'll resist the temptation to turn that into a parody. I don't
believe that acting like a fool is the proper way to ridicule a fool.
--
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Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
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Jeff, you're stupid and will always be stupid. 501(C)(3) is not only used by CHARITIES, but also for Limited Liability Businesses. You and Flunky feel the need to argue that I don't know what I'm talking ahout because I actually do and you're nuts.
AMuzi
2024-08-19 18:42:40 UTC
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-snippy snip-
Post by cyclintom
Jeff, you're stupid and will always be stupid. 501(C)(3) is not only used by CHARITIES, but also for Limited Liability Businesses. You and Flunky feel the need to argue that I don't know what I'm talking ahout because I actually do and you're nuts.
Meta Platforms, Inc. (The Face Book) is a publicly listed C
corp:
https://ycharts.com/companies/META/shares_outstanding

501(C)3 entities are not for profit charities or educational
entities without political advocacy as noted here:

https://www.irs.gov/charities-non-profits/charitable-organizations/exemption-requirements-501c3-organizations

LLCs are a different structure, most frequently used for
professional services groups (MDs, attorneys) and in real
estate, although that organizational format does not limit
their activities.

An nonprofit entity could technically organize as an LLC but
that becomes a rare complex instance:

https://www.findlaw.com/smallbusiness/starting-a-business/can-an-llc-be-a-nonprofit-.html

I presume you have not spent piles of your own money on
counsel for reorganization of an entity. Cheaper than law
school but not actually cheap.
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zen cycle
2024-08-18 13:17:47 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
wow...
no, tom, any letter which you allegedly wrote to Judicial Watch was more
than likely ignored by them.

Your account with facebook was never closed. You were trying to access
it with the wrong credentials. It's that simple.

And facebook is _not_ a 501c3 non-profit. It's always been a for-profit
company, now publicly traded.
cyclintom
2024-08-18 14:48:18 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
wow...
no, tom, any letter which you allegedly wrote to Judicial Watch was more
than likely ignored by them.
Your account with facebook was never closed. You were trying to access
it with the wrong credentials. It's that simple.
And facebook is _not_ a 501c3 non-profit. It's always been a for-profit
company, now publicly traded.
Like your poretense of being an electronics engineer (living a lifetime as a QC paperwork wonk), you really should tell us all you know about Facebook which is exactly nothing as your skills as a programmer.
zen cycle
2024-08-18 17:52:47 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
wow...
no, tom, any letter which you allegedly wrote to Judicial Watch was more
than likely ignored by them.
Your account with facebook was never closed. You were trying to access
it with the wrong credentials. It's that simple.
And facebook is _not_ a 501c3 non-profit. It's always been a for-profit
company, now publicly traded.
Like your poretense of being an electronics engineer (living a lifetime as a QC paperwork wonk), you really should tell us all you know about Facebook which is exactly nothing as your skills as a programmer.
I very clearly know vastly more about facebook than you do, since you
couldn't figure out how to access an active account and are under some
delusion they are a non-profit.
cyclintom
2024-08-19 20:50:54 UTC
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Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
wow...
no, tom, any letter which you allegedly wrote to Judicial Watch was more
than likely ignored by them.
Your account with facebook was never closed. You were trying to access
it with the wrong credentials. It's that simple.
And facebook is _not_ a 501c3 non-profit. It's always been a for-profit
company, now publicly traded.
Like your poretense of being an electronics engineer (living a lifetime as a QC paperwork wonk), you really should tell us all you know about Facebook which is exactly nothing as your skills as a programmer.
I very clearly know vastly more about facebook than you do, since you
couldn't figure out how to access an active account and are under some
delusion they are a non-profit.
You show over abnd over that you know nothing. Stop pretending to.Facebook did NOT reopen my account. They allowed me to open a new one. And this no doubt in response to a letter reminding them of their responsibilities under the law. I don't HAVE to remember passwords since my system automatically does that, You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
Zen Cycle
2024-08-19 21:10:14 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
wow...
no, tom, any letter which you allegedly wrote to Judicial Watch was more
than likely ignored by them.
Your account with facebook was never closed. You were trying to access
it with the wrong credentials. It's that simple.
And facebook is _not_ a 501c3 non-profit. It's always been a for-profit
company, now publicly traded.
Like your poretense of being an electronics engineer (living a lifetime as a QC paperwork wonk), you really should tell us all you know about Facebook which is exactly nothing as your skills as a programmer.
I very clearly know vastly more about facebook than you do, since you
couldn't figure out how to access an active account and are under some
delusion they are a non-profit.
You show over abnd over that you know nothing. Stop pretending to.Facebook did NOT reopen my account.
Of course they didn't reopen it. They never closed it to begin with.
Post by cyclintom
They allowed me to open a new one. And this no doubt in response to a letter reminding them of their responsibilities under the law.
You go ahead and make believe they caved to the pressure of a sternly
worded letter from you (lol).
Post by cyclintom
I don't HAVE to remember passwords since my system automatically does that, You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
It wasn't your password, dumbass, it was your email address. You were
trying to log in using a different one than you created the account
with, hence 'there is no account associated with that email address'.

And they aren't a non-profit company. If you think they are post a link
to a reference showing their 501c3 status.
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AMuzi
2024-08-19 21:26:41 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect
on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but
allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss
of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is
figure out how to post to the salesx area.
wow...
no, tom, any letter which you allegedly wrote to
Judicial Watch was more
than likely ignored by them.
Your account with facebook was never closed. You were
trying to access
it with the wrong credentials. It's that simple.
And facebook is _not_ a 501c3 non-profit. It's always
been a for-profit
company, now publicly traded.
Like your poretense of being an electronics engineer
(living a lifetime as a QC paperwork wonk), you really
should tell us all you know about Facebook which is
exactly nothing as your skills as a programmer.
I very clearly know vastly more about facebook than you
do, since you
couldn't figure out how to access an active account and
are under some
delusion they are a non-profit.
You show over abnd over that you know nothing. Stop
pretending to.Facebook did NOT reopen my account.
Of course they didn't reopen it. They never closed it to
begin with.
Post by cyclintom
They allowed me to open a new one. And this no doubt in
response to a letter reminding them of their
responsibilities under the law.
You go ahead and make believe they caved to the pressure of
a sternly worded letter from you (lol).
Post by cyclintom
I don't HAVE to remember passwords since my system
automatically does that, You knowing nothing about
programming are probably mystified.
It wasn't your password, dumbass, it was your email address.
You were trying to log in using a different one than you
created the account with, hence 'there is no account
associated with that email address'.
And they aren't a non-profit company. If you think they are
post a link to a reference showing their 501c3 status.
Thanks, that reminds me that in addition to my comments
above, Meta Holdings Inc makes a profit and pays dividends:

https://www.nasdaq.com/market-activity/stocks/meta/dividend-history
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cyclintom
2024-08-21 17:43:21 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
wow...
no, tom, any letter which you allegedly wrote to Judicial Watch was more
than likely ignored by them.
Your account with facebook was never closed. You were trying to access
it with the wrong credentials. It's that simple.
And facebook is _not_ a 501c3 non-profit. It's always been a for-profit
company, now publicly traded.
Like your poretense of being an electronics engineer (living a lifetime as a QC paperwork wonk), you really should tell us all you know about Facebook which is exactly nothing as your skills as a programmer.
I very clearly know vastly more about facebook than you do, since you
couldn't figure out how to access an active account and are under some
delusion they are a non-profit.
You show over abnd over that you know nothing. Stop pretending to.Facebook did NOT reopen my account.
Of course they didn't reopen it. They never closed it to begin with.
Post by cyclintom
They allowed me to open a new one. And this no doubt in response to a letter reminding them of their responsibilities under the law.
You go ahead and make believe they caved to the pressure of a sternly
worded letter from you (lol).
Post by cyclintom
I don't HAVE to remember passwords since my system automatically does that, You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
It wasn't your password, dumbass, it was your email address. You were
trying to log in using a different one than you created the account
with, hence 'there is no account associated with that email address'.
And they aren't a non-profit company. If you think they are post a link
to a reference showing their 501c3 status.
--
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So besides telling me that Aabbot isn't leaving their overly taxed sites in Alameda, now you're talling me that my automatic login is wrong. No wonder you need a head of assemblers to tell you what to do.
Zen Cycle
2024-08-21 20:59:22 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
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Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
wow...
no, tom, any letter which you allegedly wrote to Judicial Watch was more
than likely ignored by them.
Your account with facebook was never closed. You were trying to access
it with the wrong credentials. It's that simple.
And facebook is _not_ a 501c3 non-profit. It's always been a for-profit
company, now publicly traded.
Like your poretense of being an electronics engineer (living a lifetime as a QC paperwork wonk), you really should tell us all you know about Facebook which is exactly nothing as your skills as a programmer.
I very clearly know vastly more about facebook than you do, since you
couldn't figure out how to access an active account and are under some
delusion they are a non-profit.
You show over abnd over that you know nothing. Stop pretending to.Facebook did NOT reopen my account.
Of course they didn't reopen it. They never closed it to begin with.
Post by cyclintom
They allowed me to open a new one. And this no doubt in response to a letter reminding them of their responsibilities under the law.
You go ahead and make believe they caved to the pressure of a sternly
worded letter from you (lol).
Post by cyclintom
I don't HAVE to remember passwords since my system automatically does that, You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
It wasn't your password, dumbass, it was your email address. You were
trying to log in using a different one than you created the account
with, hence 'there is no account associated with that email address'.
And they aren't a non-profit company. If you think they are post a link
to a reference showing their 501c3 status.
--
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So besides telling me that Aabbot isn't leaving their overly taxed sites in Alameda, now you're talling me that my automatic login is wrong.
You had an automatic login for facebook? That's pretty stupid. If that's
how you manager your personal security it's no wonder that your email
keeps getting hacked.
Post by cyclintom
No wonder you need a head of assemblers to tell you what to do.
"head of assemblers"? lol...Now I know you've never done more tan push a
broom.
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cyclintom
2024-08-21 22:23:14 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
wow...
no, tom, any letter which you allegedly wrote to Judicial Watch was more
than likely ignored by them.
Your account with facebook was never closed. You were trying to access
it with the wrong credentials. It's that simple.
And facebook is _not_ a 501c3 non-profit. It's always been a for-profit
company, now publicly traded.
Like your poretense of being an electronics engineer (living a lifetime as a QC paperwork wonk), you really should tell us all you know about Facebook which is exactly nothing as your skills as a programmer.
I very clearly know vastly more about facebook than you do, since you
couldn't figure out how to access an active account and are under some
delusion they are a non-profit.
You show over abnd over that you know nothing. Stop pretending to.Facebook did NOT reopen my account.
Of course they didn't reopen it. They never closed it to begin with.
Post by cyclintom
They allowed me to open a new one. And this no doubt in response to a letter reminding them of their responsibilities under the law.
You go ahead and make believe they caved to the pressure of a sternly
worded letter from you (lol).
Post by cyclintom
I don't HAVE to remember passwords since my system automatically does that, You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
It wasn't your password, dumbass, it was your email address. You were
trying to log in using a different one than you created the account
with, hence 'there is no account associated with that email address'.
And they aren't a non-profit company. If you think they are post a link
to a reference showing their 501c3 status.
--
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So besides telling me that Aabbot isn't leaving their overly taxed sites in Alameda, now you're talling me that my automatic login is wrong.
You had an automatic login for facebook? That's pretty stupid. If that's
how you manager your personal security it's no wonder that your email
keeps getting hacked.
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No wonder you need a head of assemblers to tell you what to do.
"head of assemblers"? lol...Now I know you've never done more tan push a
broom.
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Zen Cycle
2024-08-22 13:59:45 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
wow...
no, tom, any letter which you allegedly wrote to Judicial Watch was more
than likely ignored by them.
Your account with facebook was never closed. You were trying to access
it with the wrong credentials. It's that simple.
And facebook is _not_ a 501c3 non-profit. It's always been a for-profit
company, now publicly traded.
Like your poretense of being an electronics engineer (living a lifetime as a QC paperwork wonk), you really should tell us all you know about Facebook which is exactly nothing as your skills as a programmer.
I very clearly know vastly more about facebook than you do, since you
couldn't figure out how to access an active account and are under some
delusion they are a non-profit.
You show over abnd over that you know nothing. Stop pretending to.Facebook did NOT reopen my account.
Of course they didn't reopen it. They never closed it to begin with.
Post by cyclintom
They allowed me to open a new one. And this no doubt in response to a letter reminding them of their responsibilities under the law.
You go ahead and make believe they caved to the pressure of a sternly
worded letter from you (lol).
Post by cyclintom
I don't HAVE to remember passwords since my system automatically does that, You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
It wasn't your password, dumbass, it was your email address. You were
trying to log in using a different one than you created the account
with, hence 'there is no account associated with that email address'.
And they aren't a non-profit company. If you think they are post a link
to a reference showing their 501c3 status.
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So besides telling me that Aabbot isn't leaving their overly taxed sites in Alameda, now you're talling me that my automatic login is wrong.
You had an automatic login for facebook? That's pretty stupid. If that's
how you manager your personal security it's no wonder that your email
keeps getting hacked.
Post by cyclintom
No wonder you need a head of assemblers to tell you what to do.
"head of assemblers"? lol...Now I know you've never done more tan push a
broom.
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I knows that you have no idea about personal security
Said the rube who complains incessantly about his personal data getting
hacked
Post by cyclintom
since you assemblers usually on do what you're told or get fired like you were from your last job.
I've never been fired. You would know way more about that than me.
Post by cyclintom
I suppose that's why you value staying at a company forever.
Yup, it's called job security - something you've never had.
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2024-08-26 15:49:48 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
wow...
no, tom, any letter which you allegedly wrote to Judicial Watch was more
than likely ignored by them.
Your account with facebook was never closed. You were trying to access
it with the wrong credentials. It's that simple.
And facebook is _not_ a 501c3 non-profit. It's always been a for-profit
company, now publicly traded.
Like your poretense of being an electronics engineer (living a lifetime as a QC paperwork wonk), you really should tell us all you know about Facebook which is exactly nothing as your skills as a programmer.
I very clearly know vastly more about facebook than you do, since you
couldn't figure out how to access an active account and are under some
delusion they are a non-profit.
You show over abnd over that you know nothing. Stop pretending to.Facebook did NOT reopen my account.
Of course they didn't reopen it. They never closed it to begin with.
Post by cyclintom
They allowed me to open a new one. And this no doubt in response to a letter reminding them of their responsibilities under the law.
You go ahead and make believe they caved to the pressure of a sternly
worded letter from you (lol).
Post by cyclintom
I don't HAVE to remember passwords since my system automatically does that, You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
It wasn't your password, dumbass, it was your email address. You were
trying to log in using a different one than you created the account
with, hence 'there is no account associated with that email address'.
And they aren't a non-profit company. If you think they are post a link
to a reference showing their 501c3 status.
--
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So besides telling me that Aabbot isn't leaving their overly taxed sites in Alameda, now you're talling me that my automatic login is wrong.
You had an automatic login for facebook? That's pretty stupid. If that's
how you manager your personal security it's no wonder that your email
keeps getting hacked.
Post by cyclintom
No wonder you need a head of assemblers to tell you what to do.
"head of assemblers"? lol...Now I know you've never done more tan push a
broom.
--
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I knows that you have no idea about personal security
Said the rube who complains incessantly about his personal data getting
hacked
Post by cyclintom
since you assemblers usually on do what you're told or get fired like you were from your last job.
I've never been fired. You would know way more about that than me.
Post by cyclintom
I suppose that's why you value staying at a company forever.
Yup, it's called job security - something you've never had.
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They don't usually fire assemblers.

I was fired once for trying to get rid of a problem area. Because they fired me and kept that problem manager, they went out of business within a month of getting rid of me. That company was paying me a quarter of a million a year and should have listened. Instead, the investors lost their money. QC paperwoek wonks do not have the power to make changes in companies. You cry on someone's shoulder.

Tell us again that it is "Facial Recognician" and that it is legal to use it as evidence when it is unconstitutional.
Zen Cycle
2024-08-26 22:33:27 UTC
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Apparently my letter to judicial watch had some effect on Facebook. They didn't restore my account but allowed me to opem a new one when faced with the loss of their 501(c)(3) status. Now all I have to do is figure out how to post to the salesx area.
wow...
no, tom, any letter which you allegedly wrote to Judicial Watch was more
than likely ignored by them.
Your account with facebook was never closed. You were trying to access
it with the wrong credentials. It's that simple.
And facebook is _not_ a 501c3 non-profit. It's always been a for-profit
company, now publicly traded.
Like your poretense of being an electronics engineer (living a lifetime as a QC paperwork wonk), you really should tell us all you know about Facebook which is exactly nothing as your skills as a programmer.
I very clearly know vastly more about facebook than you do, since you
couldn't figure out how to access an active account and are under some
delusion they are a non-profit.
You show over abnd over that you know nothing. Stop pretending to.Facebook did NOT reopen my account.
Of course they didn't reopen it. They never closed it to begin with.
Post by cyclintom
They allowed me to open a new one. And this no doubt in response to a letter reminding them of their responsibilities under the law.
You go ahead and make believe they caved to the pressure of a sternly
worded letter from you (lol).
Post by cyclintom
I don't HAVE to remember passwords since my system automatically does that, You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
It wasn't your password, dumbass, it was your email address. You were
trying to log in using a different one than you created the account
with, hence 'there is no account associated with that email address'.
And they aren't a non-profit company. If you think they are post a link
to a reference showing their 501c3 status.
--
Add xx to reply
So besides telling me that Aabbot isn't leaving their overly taxed sites in Alameda, now you're talling me that my automatic login is wrong.
You had an automatic login for facebook? That's pretty stupid. If that's
how you manager your personal security it's no wonder that your email
keeps getting hacked.
Post by cyclintom
No wonder you need a head of assemblers to tell you what to do.
"head of assemblers"? lol...Now I know you've never done more tan push a
broom.
--
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I knows that you have no idea about personal security
Said the rube who complains incessantly about his personal data getting
hacked
Post by cyclintom
since you assemblers usually on do what you're told or get fired like you were from your last job.
I've never been fired. You would know way more about that than me.
Post by cyclintom
I suppose that's why you value staying at a company forever.
Yup, it's called job security - something you've never had.
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They don't usually fire assemblers.
You would know
Post by cyclintom
I was fired once for trying to get rid of a problem area.
Correction, you were fired _to_ get rid of the problem
Post by cyclintom
Because they fired me and kept that problem manager, they went out of business within a month of getting rid of me.
And what company was this? Because you've been bragging for years that
some idiot VP kept following you around to throw more money at you. Are
you sure it wasn't' the company that fired you for rifling through the
HR office records after hours?
Post by cyclintom
That company was paying me a quarter of a million a year and should have listened. Instead, the investors lost their money.
Anyone that would consider paying you more than minimum wage would be
better off just burning their money.
Post by cyclintom
QC paperwoek wonks do not have the power to make changes in companies. You cry on someone's shoulder.
Fubnny, because I can, and have, ordered a stop-ship of products that
weren't meeting HazLoc requirements.
Post by cyclintom
Tell us again that it is "Facial Recognician"
There isn't any such thing as Facial "recognician".
Post by cyclintom
and that it is legal to use it as evidence when it is unconstitutional.
Facial recognition is perfectly admissible as evidence, I've posted
several links discussing that. I challange you to post anything where a
court has declared it unconstitutional, dumbass.
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Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-19 23:56:36 UTC
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You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
2020):
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.

My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Zen Cycle
2024-08-20 14:53:22 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
You made a slight error there, it should read "fix _your_
various Windoze software related problems."
Post by Jeff Liebermann
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury.
Same here
Post by Jeff Liebermann
It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley.
Nothing reluctant about it for me. I'm reminded of that every time I get
dragged into a SW design review (required since I'm responsible for
Functional Safety compliance).
Post by Jeff Liebermann
At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
The future is now

https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/29/mistral-releases-its-first-generative-ai-model-for-code/
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Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-20 16:27:00 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
You made a slight error there, it should read "fix _your_
various Windoze software related problems."
Windoze might not be my problem in the near future. Microsoft is
doing its best to alienate its customers through various invasive
features. Since I'm now retired, I no longer need to support
Microsoft products. I'm slooowly moving my personal computing to
Linux (Mint 22) and have begun using privacy oriented products on
Windoze. While my use of Microsoft products will probably never be
eliminated (games, banking and taxes), I will be prepared should
Microsoft continue on its present path (spying, advertising, privacy
issues, bugs, etc) towards some inevitable disaster.
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Jeff Liebermann
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury.
Same here
Post by Jeff Liebermann
It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley.
Nothing reluctant about it for me. I'm reminded of that every time I get
dragged into a SW design review (required since I'm responsible for
Functional Safety compliance).
With about 20 years of practice, I became very good at avoiding
involvement in programming. Claiming that I didn't know how to
program did not work because management insisted that I attend classes
and "at least try programming". I would then mention that I've tried
to do programming, but that I'm really awful at programming, mostly
because I don't have the patience and am easily distracted (which is
true).
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Jeff Liebermann
At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
The future is now
https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/29/mistral-releases-its-first-generative-ai-model-for-code/
Yes and the AI's are rapidly becoming better at programming. I've
seen web automation code produced by a 16 year old, which seems quite
passable. Sure, there were bugs and anomalies, but with the amazing
speed at which an AI can produce iterations of a program, trial and
error debugging suddenly becomes efficient. I watched him fixing his
Selenium and Python code, while adding a few features, in a few
minutes of interaction with whatever AI cloud he was using. When
done, he switched to a different AI to check the code, and tweaked it
so that both AI's considered the results acceptable. This was all
during a 15 minute demonstration in a neighbors garage using a rather
marginal laptop. I was impressed. Never mind overseas outsourcing.
The real competition will be from 16 year olds with AI cloud accounts.

"The Scariest Movies About Artificial Intelligence: ‘Metropolis,’
‘Moon,’ ‘WarGames,’ and More"
<https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/scariest-artificial-intelligence-horror-movies-robots/metropolis-1927-6/>
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Shadow
2024-08-21 00:07:20 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
Yes and the AI's are rapidly becoming better at programming. I've
seen web automation code produced by a 16 year old, which seems quite
passable. Sure, there were bugs and anomalies, but with the amazing
speed at which an AI can produce iterations of a program, trial and
error debugging suddenly becomes efficient. I watched him fixing his
Selenium and Python code, while adding a few features, in a few
minutes of interaction with whatever AI cloud he was using. When
done, he switched to a different AI to check the code, and tweaked it
so that both AI's considered the results acceptable. This was all
during a 15 minute demonstration in a neighbors garage using a rather
marginal laptop. I was impressed. Never mind overseas outsourcing.
The real competition will be from 16 year olds with AI cloud accounts.
"The Scariest Movies About Artificial Intelligence: ‘Metropolis,’
‘Moon,’ ‘WarGames,’ and More"
<https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/scariest-artificial-intelligence-horror-movies-robots/metropolis-1927-6/>
Just watched Moon - 2009.
Surprised I hadn't heard of it before.
Good film.
TY
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zen cycle
2024-08-21 09:41:40 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
You made a slight error there, it should read "fix _your_
various Windoze software related problems."
Windoze might not be my problem in the near future. Microsoft is
doing its best to alienate its customers through various invasive
features. Since I'm now retired, I no longer need to support
Microsoft products. I'm slooowly moving my personal computing to
Linux (Mint 22) and have begun using privacy oriented products on
Windoze. While my use of Microsoft products will probably never be
eliminated (games, banking and taxes), I will be prepared should
Microsoft continue on its present path (spying, advertising, privacy
issues, bugs, etc) towards some inevitable disaster.
I will admit, if I had the time I Linux is something I've thought I
might enjoy tinkering with. Maybe when I retire. I have way too much
going on in my life right now to take on another hobby.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Jeff Liebermann
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury.
Same here
Post by Jeff Liebermann
It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley.
Nothing reluctant about it for me. I'm reminded of that every time I get
dragged into a SW design review (required since I'm responsible for
Functional Safety compliance).
With about 20 years of practice, I became very good at avoiding
involvement in programming. Claiming that I didn't know how to
program did not work because management insisted that I attend classes
and "at least try programming". I would then mention that I've tried
to do programming, but that I'm really awful at programming, mostly
because I don't have the patience and am easily distracted (which is
true).
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Jeff Liebermann
At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
The future is now
https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/29/mistral-releases-its-first-generative-ai-model-for-code/
Yes and the AI's are rapidly becoming better at programming. I've
seen web automation code produced by a 16 year old, which seems quite
passable. Sure, there were bugs and anomalies, but with the amazing
speed at which an AI can produce iterations of a program, trial and
error debugging suddenly becomes efficient. I watched him fixing his
Selenium and Python code, while adding a few features, in a few
minutes of interaction with whatever AI cloud he was using. When
done, he switched to a different AI to check the code, and tweaked it
so that both AI's considered the results acceptable. This was all
during a 15 minute demonstration in a neighbors garage using a rather
marginal laptop. I was impressed. Never mind overseas outsourcing.
The real competition will be from 16 year olds with AI cloud accounts.
We had an intern a short while ago who was tasked with writing code for
a somewhat simple of test rig we were using for development. It required
a rather large look-up table with several input parameters. He finished
it in about ten minutes, and it worked. I said "wow, that was quick". He
replied, "I used chat GPT".

Be that as it may, this kid _was_ (_is_ actually) quite bright -
enthusiastic, inquisitive, and resourceful. I really couldn't fault him
for using a tool to create the large table (hundreds of elements) rather
than take the better part of a day to create the whole thing by hand. It
would be one thing if he didn't understand what the AI generated, but he
was insightful enough to point out a tweak to the algorithm in the code
of the product under development would give better performance after
looking at the output data from the test jig. The lead software engineer
on the project agreed with him.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
"The Scariest Movies About Artificial Intelligence: ‘Metropolis,’
‘Moon,’ ‘WarGames,’ and More"
<https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/scariest-artificial-intelligence-horror-movies-robots/metropolis-1927-6/>
Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-21 16:26:19 UTC
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Post by zen cycle
I will admit, if I had the time I Linux is something I've thought I
might enjoy tinkering with. Maybe when I retire. I have way too much
going on in my life right now to take on another hobby.
I've been involved in debates that revolve around "What will it take
to make Linux a mainstream operating system"? The Linux fanatics will
propose major changes to the licensing, UI, standards, etc. When I
suggest that all it will take is for Microsoft and Apple to make a few
big mistakes, I'm usually greeted with silent contemplation.
Post by zen cycle
We had an intern a short while ago who was tasked with writing code for
a somewhat simple of test rig we were using for development. It required
a rather large look-up table with several input parameters. He finished
it in about ten minutes, and it worked. I said "wow, that was quick". He
replied, "I used chat GPT".
Be that as it may, this kid _was_ (_is_ actually) quite bright -
enthusiastic, inquisitive, and resourceful. I really couldn't fault him
for using a tool to create the large table (hundreds of elements) rather
than take the better part of a day to create the whole thing by hand. It
would be one thing if he didn't understand what the AI generated, but he
was insightful enough to point out a tweak to the algorithm in the code
of the product under development would give better performance after
looking at the output data from the test jig. The lead software engineer
on the project agreed with him.
Very good. He'll do well. However, there might be a problem. Long
ago, I did the same thing. I was working on a radio direction finder
(AN/SRD-22). I contrived a way to greatly simplify the active antenna
and associated driver circuitry. I threw together a prototype and
demonstrated it to everyone who would listen. Just one problem. The
project was well past the design stage and we were soliciting quotes
of components. If we were going to use my scheme, it would bring
development to a screeching halt and risk missing the delivery
deadline. Management held several high stress meetings (to which I
was NOT invited) and eventually agreed that my redesign was best. The
result was everyone in engineering had to put in substantial amounts
of overtime to meet the deadline. Everyone in engineering wanted to
kill me, but obviously, that didn't happen. Anyway, beware of good
ideas and bad timing.

I ran into something similar when CAD was introduced as "design
automation". Management somehow decided that buying CAD workstations
would allow them to hire minimally educated people to take the place
of higher paid designers. I know of one company that took the plunge.
They jumped into the CAD swamp running. They laid off their high
priced design staff, purchased some version 1.0 CAD equipment, and
hired some enthusiastic the clueless computer operators. It took a
few years, but eventually, it killed the company:
<https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-10-15-fi-14057-story.html>
The moral was that you can give a CAD system to a good designer and
they become a better designer. However, giving a CAD system to a
beginner doesn't automatically make them a product or PCB designer.

The same thing applies to AI. The 16 year old in my previous rant is
very smart. He taught himself several computer languages. I taught
him a few things about PC hardware. He ran with that and now knows
more about recent computer hardware issues and problems than I do. His
use of AI for programming is an extension of what he already knows
about programming, not a replacement. I expect him to do very well.
Meanwhile, some of the older technical types, that hang around FLUG
(Felton Linux Users Group) and the local radio clubs consider AI a
threat to themselves and the world.
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Roger Merriman
2024-08-21 19:04:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 05:41:40 -0400, zen cycle
Post by zen cycle
I will admit, if I had the time I Linux is something I've thought I
might enjoy tinkering with. Maybe when I retire. I have way too much
going on in my life right now to take on another hobby.
I've been involved in debates that revolve around "What will it take
to make Linux a mainstream operating system"? The Linux fanatics will
propose major changes to the licensing, UI, standards, etc. When I
suggest that all it will take is for Microsoft and Apple to make a few
big mistakes, I'm usually greeted with silent contemplation.
I’m out of the loop rather but kinda feel that the Year of the Linux
desktop is unlikely to happen, and the desktop itself self looks to be
fairly stagnant technology wise.

Linux or at least the kernel has managed to get into all sorts of places
and hands.
Snips
Roger Merriman
Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-21 21:42:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 05:41:40 -0400, zen cycle
Post by zen cycle
I will admit, if I had the time I Linux is something I've thought I
might enjoy tinkering with. Maybe when I retire. I have way too much
going on in my life right now to take on another hobby.
I've been involved in debates that revolve around "What will it take
to make Linux a mainstream operating system"? The Linux fanatics will
propose major changes to the licensing, UI, standards, etc. When I
suggest that all it will take is for Microsoft and Apple to make a few
big mistakes, I'm usually greeted with silent contemplation.
I’m out of the loop rather but kinda feel that the Year of the Linux
desktop is unlikely to happen, and the desktop itself self looks to be
fairly stagnant technology wise.
I agree. The year of the Linux desktop is unlikely because the
developers and promoters of Linux distros and desktops are promoting
it to the wrong audience. Mostly, they're trying to turn Linux users
into programmers. When that fails, they try to turn them into
programmers, developers, configuration jugglers, YouTube influencers,
and other hard core users. The real market for Linux desktops is the
total beginner, who knows very little about Linux, doesn't want to
know more about Linux, and secretly hates computers. That describes
about half of my former customers when I was effectively in the "hand
holding" business.

A long time friend and Linux user successfully demonstrated this to
me. Upon retirement, he began helping beginning computer users.
Mostly they were seniors with almost no computer experience. The
reasons they needed a computer varied, but there was one common
requirement. The computer and operating system should be very simple
and not get in the way of whatever they wanted to do, which was mostly
email, document processing, a few spreadsheets and printing. Turn it
on, do their thing, print the results, and turn it off. At this time,
he has moved about 100 (my guess) former Windoze users to Ubuntu and
LibreOffice. All seem happy with Linux. Only a few have learned
anything about computers and Linux.

At the same time, I was doing something similar using Chromebooks and
ChromeOS. Google targeted a similar audience but added schools. I
got similar results as my friend with plenty of users that learned
very little about ChromeOS. However, after a good start, things were
working well and customers were happy. It didn't last because Google
alternated between abandoning the project and making so many changes
that the beginning users could never hope to catch up. Several
returned their Chromebooks to me with "moving target" being the common
complaint. Adding children to the target audience was another
mistake. Seniors and most adults don't like to be treated like
children. ChromeOS Flex was Google's solution which made nobody very
happy and was abandoned by Google on arrival.

I forgot to mention that I've also had good luck with English as a 2nd
language immigrants. Using a simple computer in their native language
is what they want.
Linux or at least the kernel has managed to get into all sorts of places
and hands.
Sure, because it's free and it works.
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Roger Merriman
2024-08-22 18:14:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 05:41:40 -0400, zen cycle
Post by zen cycle
I will admit, if I had the time I Linux is something I've thought I
might enjoy tinkering with. Maybe when I retire. I have way too much
going on in my life right now to take on another hobby.
I've been involved in debates that revolve around "What will it take
to make Linux a mainstream operating system"? The Linux fanatics will
propose major changes to the licensing, UI, standards, etc. When I
suggest that all it will take is for Microsoft and Apple to make a few
big mistakes, I'm usually greeted with silent contemplation.
I’m out of the loop rather but kinda feel that the Year of the Linux
desktop is unlikely to happen, and the desktop itself self looks to be
fairly stagnant technology wise.
I agree. The year of the Linux desktop is unlikely because the
developers and promoters of Linux distros and desktops are promoting
it to the wrong audience. Mostly, they're trying to turn Linux users
into programmers. When that fails, they try to turn them into
programmers, developers, configuration jugglers, YouTube influencers,
and other hard core users. The real market for Linux desktops is the
total beginner, who knows very little about Linux, doesn't want to
know more about Linux, and secretly hates computers. That describes
about half of my former customers when I was effectively in the "hand
holding" business.
There is absolutely a difference between tech users and folks into
computers which are outlier and most folks who it’s just a tool, plus
unless it’s installed on the computer, in my experience folks don’t update
there computers unless the computers force them too!
Post by Jeff Liebermann
A long time friend and Linux user successfully demonstrated this to
me. Upon retirement, he began helping beginning computer users.
Mostly they were seniors with almost no computer experience. The
reasons they needed a computer varied, but there was one common
requirement. The computer and operating system should be very simple
and not get in the way of whatever they wanted to do, which was mostly
email, document processing, a few spreadsheets and printing. Turn it
on, do their thing, print the results, and turn it off. At this time,
he has moved about 100 (my guess) former Windoze users to Ubuntu and
LibreOffice. All seem happy with Linux. Only a few have learned
anything about computers and Linux.
At the same time, I was doing something similar using Chromebooks and
ChromeOS. Google targeted a similar audience but added schools. I
got similar results as my friend with plenty of users that learned
very little about ChromeOS. However, after a good start, things were
working well and customers were happy. It didn't last because Google
alternated between abandoning the project and making so many changes
that the beginning users could never hope to catch up. Several
returned their Chromebooks to me with "moving target" being the common
complaint. Adding children to the target audience was another
mistake. Seniors and most adults don't like to be treated like
children. ChromeOS Flex was Google's solution which made nobody very
happy and was abandoned by Google on arrival.
I forgot to mention that I've also had good luck with English as a 2nd
language immigrants. Using a simple computer in their native language
is what they want.
Linux or at least the kernel has managed to get into all sorts of places
and hands.
Sure, because it's free and it works.
Roger Merriman
Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-22 19:20:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger Merriman
There is absolutely a difference between tech users and folks into
computers which are outlier and most folks who it’s just a tool, plus
unless it’s installed on the computer, in my experience folks don’t update
there computers unless the computers force them too!
In my experience, computers are configured to update themselves
without involving the user. The only problem with that is when the
user fails to notice that the operating system wants him to reboot the
computer after the update. I've had users go for weeks without
rebooting, especially when the computer is setup for standby, sleep,
hibernate or some exotic power saving mode. I deal with it by
demanding that my customers reboot their computer before calling me on
the phone for help.

Customers who fail to update isn't much of a problem for me. It's
customers who fail to backup that worry me. I've setup machines to
backup automatically, but they usually find a way to break that.
However, since I've retired, I don't do much of that any more. At
best a few of my long term customers get a reminder email to run a
backup, which they always have an excuse why they can't run the
backup.
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Roger Merriman
2024-08-22 20:53:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Roger Merriman
There is absolutely a difference between tech users and folks into
computers which are outlier and most folks who it’s just a tool, plus
unless it’s installed on the computer, in my experience folks don’t update
there computers unless the computers force them too!
In my experience, computers are configured to update themselves
without involving the user. The only problem with that is when the
user fails to notice that the operating system wants him to reboot the
computer after the update. I've had users go for weeks without
rebooting, especially when the computer is setup for standby, sleep,
hibernate or some exotic power saving mode. I deal with it by
demanding that my customers reboot their computer before calling me on
the phone for help.
I get this at work one of the routers occasionally falls over, no big deal
just power off and back on, as it’s a commercial bit of kit takes a while
to start up.

But folks don’t do this, just complain that the internet doesn’t work… bare
in mind I’m very part time only work two days a week so if folks are
waiting for me to do stuff could be quite a few days!

My old Mac which admittedly doesn’t do much though does provide backup’s
for my data but it can go months uptime it rarely gets system updates now,
even security patches.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Customers who fail to update isn't much of a problem for me. It's
customers who fail to backup that worry me. I've setup machines to
backup automatically, but they usually find a way to break that.
However, since I've retired, I don't do much of that any more. At
best a few of my long term customers get a reminder email to run a
backup, which they always have an excuse why they can't run the
backup.
Roger Merriman
Ted Heise
2024-08-21 19:53:20 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 05:41:40 -0400,
Post by zen cycle
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Windoze might not be my problem in the near future.
Microsoft is doing its best to alienate its customers through
various invasive features. Since I'm now retired, I no longer
need to support Microsoft products. I'm slooowly moving my
personal computing to Linux (Mint 22) and have begun using
privacy oriented products on Windoze. While my use of
Microsoft products will probably never be eliminated (games,
banking and taxes), I will be prepared should Microsoft
continue on its present path (spying, advertising, privacy
issues, bugs, etc) towards some inevitable disaster.
I will admit, if I had the time I Linux is something I've
thought I might enjoy tinkering with. Maybe when I retire. I
have way too much going on in my life right now to take on
another hobby.
If you do get around to it and want to understand the system
administration side of things, I highly recommend this book...

https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/linux-administration-handbook_evi-nemeth_garth-snyder/327468/item/4217556/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=high_vol_backlist_standard_shopping_customer_aquistion&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=659174113139&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoJa2BhBPEiwA0l0ImHC2Nhifknb5g_Tk2pfRXTYn2SdrhO9EF8kKhFcjt7k1RIcmYKwVJBoCUrwQAvD_BwE#idiq=4217556&edition=3090602

I used this (and earlier versions) to set up and manage a Linux
server in my basement that hosted my own domain and several
services (news, web, mail, etc.). The book doesn't get into the
desktop environment, but gives you a great sense of what's
happening under the hood. It's an entertaining read too. :)
--
Ted Heise <***@panix.com> West Lafayette, IN, USA
Zen Cycle
2024-08-21 21:01:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Wed, 21 Aug 2024 05:41:40 -0400,
Post by zen cycle
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Windoze might not be my problem in the near future.
Microsoft is doing its best to alienate its customers through
various invasive features. Since I'm now retired, I no longer
need to support Microsoft products. I'm slooowly moving my
personal computing to Linux (Mint 22) and have begun using
privacy oriented products on Windoze. While my use of
Microsoft products will probably never be eliminated (games,
banking and taxes), I will be prepared should Microsoft
continue on its present path (spying, advertising, privacy
issues, bugs, etc) towards some inevitable disaster.
I will admit, if I had the time I Linux is something I've
thought I might enjoy tinkering with. Maybe when I retire. I
have way too much going on in my life right now to take on
another hobby.
If you do get around to it and want to understand the system
administration side of things, I highly recommend this book...
https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/linux-administration-handbook_evi-nemeth_garth-snyder/327468/item/4217556/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=high_vol_backlist_standard_shopping_customer_aquistion&utm_adgroup=&utm_term=&utm_content=659174113139&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwoJa2BhBPEiwA0l0ImHC2Nhifknb5g_Tk2pfRXTYn2SdrhO9EF8kKhFcjt7k1RIcmYKwVJBoCUrwQAvD_BwE#idiq=4217556&edition=3090602
I used this (and earlier versions) to set up and manage a Linux
server in my basement that hosted my own domain and several
services (news, web, mail, etc.). The book doesn't get into the
desktop environment, but gives you a great sense of what's
happening under the hood. It's an entertaining read too. :)
Thanks for the tip!
--
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Radey Shouman
2024-08-20 18:01:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians). I
won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-20 19:11:35 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 14:01:43 -0400, Radey Shouman
Post by Radey Shouman
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians).
In about 1999, management was experimenting with outsourcing a product
design to someone they found on monster.com in India. I was not
directly involved in this product. The manager would call India about
once per week to obtain status updates. One day, he mentioned that he
had called and received a "no progress" report because of a holiday.
As the project continued, such "no progress" reports continued to be
quite frequent. As you might suspect, the project was late and poorly
designed. Hint:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_India>

I could also expound on some more past outsourcing horror stories but
it's less work to just post a link so I don't need to violate an NDA
in order to tell the story:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=outsourcing+horror+stories>
Post by Radey Shouman
I won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
I believe that AI will eventually become an improvement over
outsourcing.
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Radey Shouman
2024-08-22 17:30:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 14:01:43 -0400, Radey Shouman
Post by Radey Shouman
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians).
In about 1999, management was experimenting with outsourcing a product
design to someone they found on monster.com in India. I was not
directly involved in this product. The manager would call India about
once per week to obtain status updates. One day, he mentioned that he
had called and received a "no progress" report because of a holiday.
As the project continued, such "no progress" reports continued to be
quite frequent. As you might suspect, the project was late and poorly
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_India>
I could also expound on some more past outsourcing horror stories but
it's less work to just post a link so I don't need to violate an NDA
<https://www.google.com/search?q=outsourcing+horror+stories>
The world, or at least the USA, has moved on since then. I know a guy
who is a logic designer for AMD, meaning the silicon bits that make your
computah go. 90% of his job seems to attending meetings at odd hours to
manage the work force, most of which is in India. I don't know exactly
what it is, but Indians do a significant fraction of all the programming
grunt work being done, from web site front ends to ASICs.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Radey Shouman
I won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
I believe that AI will eventually become an improvement over
outsourcing.
Eventually we'll all have pie in the sky. AI today is almost entirely
hype, and has been massively oversold. We'll have at least another "AI
winter" before it can be relied upon as much as even a very low grade
employee.

--
Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-23 03:10:28 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:30:41 -0400, Radey Shouman
Post by Radey Shouman
AI today is almost entirely
hype, and has been massively oversold. We'll have at least another "AI
winter" before it can be relied upon as much as even a very low grade
employee.
Yep.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=emerging+technology++hype+cycle&udm=2>
<https://www.gartner.com/en/articles/what-s-new-in-artificial-intelligence-from-the-2023-gartner-hype-cycle>

My view is that the value of any new product or technology is mostly
destermine by how much and how well it is abused and misused. Judging
the numerous real and potential horror stories, AI will soon be very
successful.

Also, new disruptive technologies like AI, tend to replace employees
at the bottom and enrich owners at the top.
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
AMuzi
2024-08-23 13:03:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:30:41 -0400, Radey Shouman
Post by Radey Shouman
AI today is almost entirely
hype, and has been massively oversold. We'll have at least another "AI
winter" before it can be relied upon as much as even a very low grade
employee.
Yep.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=emerging+technology++hype+cycle&udm=2>
<https://www.gartner.com/en/articles/what-s-new-in-artificial-intelligence-from-the-2023-gartner-hype-cycle>
My view is that the value of any new product or technology is mostly
destermine by how much and how well it is abused and misused. Judging
the numerous real and potential horror stories, AI will soon be very
successful.
Also, new disruptive technologies like AI, tend to replace employees
at the bottom and enrich owners at the top.
Else why invest? Same for tooling, robots etc as AI
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
cyclintom
2024-08-27 14:29:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Thu, 22 Aug 2024 13:30:41 -0400, Radey Shouman
Post by Radey Shouman
AI today is almost entirely
hype, and has been massively oversold. We'll have at least another "AI
winter" before it can be relied upon as much as even a very low grade
employee.
Yep.
<https://www.google.com/search?q=emerging+technology++hype+cycle&udm=2>
<https://www.gartner.com/en/articles/what-s-new-in-artificial-intelligence-from-the-2023-gartner-hype-cycle>
My view is that the value of any new product or technology is mostly
destermine by how much and how well it is abused and misused. Judging
the numerous real and potential horror stories, AI will soon be very
successful.
Also, new disruptive technologies like AI, tend to replace employees
at the bottom and enrich owners at the top.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Liebermann why do you continue your phony chzrade? WHAT do you actually know about AI and how it works? Or what it really does? You've spent the last 30 years replacing entire boards in desktop computers and installing new inkjet printer cartridges.

Sometime before you die you're going to realize just how foolish you are.
cyclintom
2024-08-27 14:18:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 14:01:43 -0400, Radey Shouman
Post by Radey Shouman
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians).
In about 1999, management was experimenting with outsourcing a product
design to someone they found on monster.com in India. I was not
directly involved in this product. The manager would call India about
once per week to obtain status updates. One day, he mentioned that he
had called and received a "no progress" report because of a holiday.
As the project continued, such "no progress" reports continued to be
quite frequent. As you might suspect, the project was late and poorly
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_holidays_in_India>
I could also expound on some more past outsourcing horror stories but
it's less work to just post a link so I don't need to violate an NDA
<https://www.google.com/search?q=outsourcing+horror+stories>
The world, or at least the USA, has moved on since then. I know a guy
who is a logic designer for AMD, meaning the silicon bits that make your
computah go. 90% of his job seems to attending meetings at odd hours to
manage the work force, most of which is in India. I don't know exactly
what it is, but Indians do a significant fraction of all the programming
grunt work being done, from web site front ends to ASICs.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by Radey Shouman
I won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
I believe that AI will eventually become an improvement over
outsourcing.
Eventually we'll all have pie in the sky. AI today is almost entirely
hype, and has been massively oversold. We'll have at least another "AI
winter" before it can be relied upon as much as even a very low grade
employee.
--
Remember that Liebermann is an idiot that believes himself to be smart and he is quoting some public poll from people that knoe nothing about AI to back up his claim that AI is coming. Having worked with AI believe me - it ain't.
Zen Cycle
2024-08-20 20:41:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians).
HAH!!!
That's cute. I won't be repeating it to my Indian boss though.
Post by Radey Shouman
I
won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
Feel free to breathe, it's here, now.
--
Add xx to reply
cyclintom
2024-08-21 17:38:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians).
HAH!!!
That's cute. I won't be repeating it to my Indian boss though.
Post by Radey Shouman
I
won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
Feel free to breathe, it's here, now.
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The one that is the head of assembly or the one that is the production manager??
Zen Cycle
2024-08-21 21:02:42 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians).
HAH!!!
That's cute. I won't be repeating it to my Indian boss though.
Post by Radey Shouman
I
won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
Feel free to breathe, it's here, now.
--
Add xx to reply
The one that is the head of assembly or the one that is the production manager??
Neither, VP of Engineering.
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cyclintom
2024-08-21 22:49:11 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians).
HAH!!!
That's cute. I won't be repeating it to my Indian boss though.
Post by Radey Shouman
I
won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
Feel free to breathe, it's here, now.
--
Add xx to reply
The one that is the head of assembly or the one that is the production manager??
Neither, VP of Engineering.
--
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And you expect people to believe that you work for a successful company as well.
Zen Cycle
2024-08-22 14:00:49 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians).
HAH!!!
That's cute. I won't be repeating it to my Indian boss though.
Post by Radey Shouman
I
won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
Feel free to breathe, it's here, now.
--
Add xx to reply
The one that is the head of assembly or the one that is the production manager??
Neither, VP of Engineering.
--
Add xx to reply
And you expect people to believe that you work for a successful company as well.
Considering that my company was incorporated in 1936, yes.
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cyclintom
2024-08-27 15:03:22 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians).
HAH!!!
That's cute. I won't be repeating it to my Indian boss though.
Post by Radey Shouman
I
won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
Feel free to breathe, it's here, now.
--
Add xx to reply
The one that is the head of assembly or the one that is the production manager??
Neither, VP of Engineering.
--
Add xx to reply
And you expect people to believe that you work for a successful company as well.
Considering that my company was incorporated in 1936, yes.
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Only you would think that time in business automatically indicates a success.
Radey Shouman
2024-08-22 17:12:15 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians).
HAH!!!
That's cute. I won't be repeating it to my Indian boss though.
I doubt mine would take offense, although I haven't tried it.
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Radey Shouman
I
won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
Feel free to breathe, it's here, now.
--
Zen Cycle
2024-08-22 17:45:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians).
HAH!!!
That's cute. I won't be repeating it to my Indian boss though.
I doubt mine would take offense, although I haven't tried it.
That's my feeling as well, but I learned long ago - if you have to ask
that question (i.e. if you have a doubt), it's best just not to go there.
cyclintom
2024-08-27 14:14:15 UTC
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Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians).
HAH!!!
That's cute. I won't be repeating it to my Indian boss though.
I doubt mine would take offense, although I haven't tried it.
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by Radey Shouman
I
won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
Feel free to breathe, it's here, now.
--
Liebermann talking about RF and analog engineering sounds fine. But there WASN'T any RF and very little analog design in Silicon Valley which was a digital village surrounding Intel and several other chip makers.

Contrary to his comments, companies are NOT "outsourcing" programmer jobs to foreign countries. Do you suppose thjat the words "on site from dsy one" mean\s anything toi him? I design snalog as well and while very complex analog circuits take me a lot of time, they work. Most of it is reducing analog signals to those that can be used by digital circuits anyway and A-D and D-A circuits are common in microprocessors.
cyclintom
2024-08-21 17:35:17 UTC
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Post by Radey Shouman
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
A great deal of programming is done today by AIs (Actual Indians). I
won't hold my breath waiting for artificial intelligence to become
reliable or cost effective.
I was one of the first to program AI into products and believe me - most of the BS you hear about it is just that. Elon started programming automatic driving into his Tesla's early whereas my Mercury Milan has all of the necessary sensors except for the forward seeking lane detectors, The chief engingineer called me to see if I wanted a job. I suggested that for legal purposes they not call it a "self driving" feature and he hung up on me. But because they put that name on it, they have lost every single case concerning people letting thecar drive itself and causing accidents.

The funniest thing is that all of the push for AI disapopeared when they started using it to write media articles with it. I guess when it is your job it is taking, it isn't this marvelous new invention.
Frank Krygowski
2024-08-21 18:28:13 UTC
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I was one of the first to program AI into products ...
:-) :-) :-)
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cyclintom
2024-08-21 22:47:02 UTC
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I was one of the first to program AI into products ...
:-) :-) :-)
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You know what Krygowsk? You always manage to let people know why they consider polaks stupid.You don't even know what a plant engineer is supposed to do so they fired you.
Zen Cycle
2024-08-21 21:32:08 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
I was one of the first to program AI into products and believe me
Nope, I won't believe you. Even if you ever did write code for medical
instruments (which I highly doubt) it wasn't anything that could ever be
considered to AI, especially given that you haven't worked in 20 years.
Post by cyclintom
- most of the BS you hear about it is just that. Elon started programming automatic driving into his Tesla's early whereas my Mercury Milan has all of the necessary sensors except for the forward seeking lane detectors
Two completely unrelated issues
Post by cyclintom
The chief engingineer called me to see if I wanted a job.
No, a head hunter called you because he saw your resume online.
Post by cyclintom
I suggested that for legal purposes they not call it a "self driving" feature and he hung up on me.
The head hunter hung on you because he realized you were an asshole that
lied on your resume.
Post by cyclintom
But because they put that name on it, they have lost every single case concerning people letting thecar drive itself and causing accidents.
Oh, you mean these lawsuits?:
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/auto-accident/tesla-autopilot-lawsuit/

"In a verdict returned in April 2023, a jury found that Tesla was not
responsible for a crash in 2019."

"On September 30, 2023, United States District Judge Haywood S. Gilliam,
Jr. ruled that the proposed class action lawsuit could not proceed."
Post by cyclintom
The funniest thing is that all of the push for AI disapopeared when they started using it to write media articles with it. I guess when it is your job it is taking, it isn't this marvelous new invention.
Yeah, AI has fallen out of favor <sure>
https://www.authorityhacker.com/ai-statistics/

"This hand-picked shortlist of the most compelling AI statistics
includes key metrics on adoption, personal & business usage, impact on
jobs, and sentiment towards AI.

- 35% of businesses have adopted AI.
- 77% of devices in use feature some form of AI.
9 out of 10 organizations support AI for a competitive advantage.
- AI will contribute $15.7 trillion to the global economy by 2030.
- By 2025, AI might eliminate 85 million jobs but create 97 million new
ones, resulting in a net gain of 12 million jobs.
- 85.1% of AI users use the technology for article writing and content
creation.
- 81.6% of digital marketers think content writers’ jobs are at risk
because of AI.
- 50% of consumers are now optimistic about AI.
- 33% of consumers think they are using AI platforms (actual usage is 77%).
- 43% of businesses are concerned about technology dependence.

Gawd yer an idiot.
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cyclintom
2024-08-21 22:43:07 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
I was one of the first to program AI into products and believe me
Nope, I won't believe you. Even if you ever did write code for medical
instruments (which I highly doubt) it wasn't anything that could ever be
considered to AI, especially given that you haven't worked in 20 years.
Post by cyclintom
- most of the BS you hear about it is just that. Elon started programming automatic driving into his Tesla's early whereas my Mercury Milan has all of the necessary sensors except for the forward seeking lane detectors
Two completely unrelated issues
Post by cyclintom
The chief engingineer called me to see if I wanted a job.
No, a head hunter called you because he saw your resume online.
Post by cyclintom
I suggested that for legal purposes they not call it a "self driving" feature and he hung up on me.
The head hunter hung on you because he realized you were an asshole that
lied on your resume.
Post by cyclintom
But because they put that name on it, they have lost every single case concerning people letting thecar drive itself and causing accidents.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/auto-accident/tesla-autopilot-lawsuit/
"In a verdict returned in April 2023, a jury found that Tesla was not
responsible for a crash in 2019."
"On September 30, 2023, United States District Judge Haywood S. Gilliam,
Jr. ruled that the proposed class action lawsuit could not proceed."
Post by cyclintom
The funniest thing is that all of the push for AI disapopeared when they started using it to write media articles with it. I guess when it is your job it is taking, it isn't this marvelous new invention.
Yeah, AI has fallen out of favor <sure>
https://www.authorityhacker.com/ai-statistics/
"This hand-picked shortlist of the most compelling AI statistics
includes key metrics on adoption, personal & business usage, impact on
jobs, and sentiment towards AI.
- 35% of businesses have adopted AI.
- 77% of devices in use feature some form of AI.
9 out of 10 organizations support AI for a competitive advantage.
- AI will contribute $15.7 trillion to the global economy by 2030.
- By 2025, AI might eliminate 85 million jobs but create 97 million new
ones, resulting in a net gain of 12 million jobs.
- 85.1% of AI users use the technology for article writing and content
creation.
- 81.6% of digital marketers think content writers? jobs are at risk
because of AI.
- 50% of consumers are now optimistic about AI.
- 33% of consumers think they are using AI platforms (actual usage is 77%).
- 43% of businesses are concerned about technology dependence.
Gawd yer an idiot.
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OK Genius - tell me how AI works. Then tell me exactly how much consumer's opinions are worth when the only thing that they know about AI is that Elon Musk supports it. YOU haven't the faitest idea of what AI is and so you can say that 77% of devices in use use some form of it. You're much too stupid to know that means voice recognition. You're like listening to a broken doorbell.
AMuzi
2024-08-21 22:53:21 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
I was one of the first to program AI into products and believe me
Nope, I won't believe you. Even if you ever did write code for medical
instruments (which I highly doubt) it wasn't anything that could ever be
considered to AI, especially given that you haven't worked in 20 years.
Post by cyclintom
- most of the BS you hear about it is just that. Elon started programming automatic driving into his Tesla's early whereas my Mercury Milan has all of the necessary sensors except for the forward seeking lane detectors
Two completely unrelated issues
Post by cyclintom
The chief engingineer called me to see if I wanted a job.
No, a head hunter called you because he saw your resume online.
Post by cyclintom
I suggested that for legal purposes they not call it a "self driving" feature and he hung up on me.
The head hunter hung on you because he realized you were an asshole that
lied on your resume.
Post by cyclintom
But because they put that name on it, they have lost every single case concerning people letting thecar drive itself and causing accidents.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/auto-accident/tesla-autopilot-lawsuit/
"In a verdict returned in April 2023, a jury found that Tesla was not
responsible for a crash in 2019."
"On September 30, 2023, United States District Judge Haywood S. Gilliam,
Jr. ruled that the proposed class action lawsuit could not proceed."
Post by cyclintom
The funniest thing is that all of the push for AI disapopeared when they started using it to write media articles with it. I guess when it is your job it is taking, it isn't this marvelous new invention.
Yeah, AI has fallen out of favor <sure>
https://www.authorityhacker.com/ai-statistics/
"This hand-picked shortlist of the most compelling AI statistics
includes key metrics on adoption, personal & business usage, impact on
jobs, and sentiment towards AI.
- 35% of businesses have adopted AI.
- 77% of devices in use feature some form of AI.
9 out of 10 organizations support AI for a competitive advantage.
- AI will contribute $15.7 trillion to the global economy by 2030.
- By 2025, AI might eliminate 85 million jobs but create 97 million new
ones, resulting in a net gain of 12 million jobs.
- 85.1% of AI users use the technology for article writing and content
creation.
- 81.6% of digital marketers think content writers? jobs are at risk
because of AI.
- 50% of consumers are now optimistic about AI.
- 33% of consumers think they are using AI platforms (actual usage is 77%).
- 43% of businesses are concerned about technology dependence.
Gawd yer an idiot.
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OK Genius - tell me how AI works. Then tell me exactly how much consumer's opinions are worth when the only thing that they know about AI is that Elon Musk supports it. YOU haven't the faitest idea of what AI is and so you can say that 77% of devices in use use some form of it. You're much too stupid to know that means voice recognition. You're like listening to a broken doorbell.
How does AI work? Not all that well sometimes:

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Zen Cycle
2024-08-22 14:05:39 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
I was one of the first to program AI into products and believe me
Nope, I won't believe you. Even if you ever did write code for medical
instruments (which I highly doubt) it wasn't anything that could ever be
considered to AI, especially given that you haven't worked in 20 years.
Post by cyclintom
- most of the BS you hear about it is just that. Elon started programming automatic driving into his Tesla's early whereas my Mercury Milan has all of the necessary sensors except for the forward seeking lane detectors
Two completely unrelated issues
Post by cyclintom
The chief engingineer called me to see if I wanted a job.
No, a head hunter called you because he saw your resume online.
Post by cyclintom
I suggested that for legal purposes they not call it a "self driving" feature and he hung up on me.
The head hunter hung on you because he realized you were an asshole that
lied on your resume.
Post by cyclintom
But because they put that name on it, they have lost every single case concerning people letting thecar drive itself and causing accidents.
https://www.forbes.com/advisor/legal/auto-accident/tesla-autopilot-lawsuit/
"In a verdict returned in April 2023, a jury found that Tesla was not
responsible for a crash in 2019."
"On September 30, 2023, United States District Judge Haywood S. Gilliam,
Jr. ruled that the proposed class action lawsuit could not proceed."
Post by cyclintom
The funniest thing is that all of the push for AI disapopeared when they started using it to write media articles with it. I guess when it is your job it is taking, it isn't this marvelous new invention.
Yeah, AI has fallen out of favor <sure>
https://www.authorityhacker.com/ai-statistics/
"This hand-picked shortlist of the most compelling AI statistics
includes key metrics on adoption, personal & business usage, impact on
jobs, and sentiment towards AI.
- 35% of businesses have adopted AI.
- 77% of devices in use feature some form of AI.
9 out of 10 organizations support AI for a competitive advantage.
- AI will contribute $15.7 trillion to the global economy by 2030.
- By 2025, AI might eliminate 85 million jobs but create 97 million new
ones, resulting in a net gain of 12 million jobs.
- 85.1% of AI users use the technology for article writing and content
creation.
- 81.6% of digital marketers think content writers? jobs are at risk
because of AI.
- 50% of consumers are now optimistic about AI.
- 33% of consumers think they are using AI platforms (actual usage is 77%).
- 43% of businesses are concerned about technology dependence.
Gawd yer an idiot.
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OK Genius - tell me how AI works.
There isn't enough space here, and you wouldn't understand it anyway
especially based on your response here (i.e., less than you understand PWM).
Post by cyclintom
Then tell me exactly how much consumer's opinions are worth when the only thing that they know about AI is that Elon Musk supports it.
They worth as much as they're willing to spend on it.
Post by cyclintom
YOU haven't the faitest idea of what AI is and so you can say that 77% of devices in use use some form of it.
I didn't, Authority hacker did. I trust their assessment way more than yours
Post by cyclintom
You're much too stupid to know that means voice recognition.
Voice recognition existed way before AI was invented, dumbass.
Post by cyclintom
You're like listening to a broken doorbell.
You're about as smart and usefull as a broken doorbell
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Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-21 21:53:57 UTC
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I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."

Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
cyclintom
2024-08-21 22:28:57 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
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Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Remember when you looked for patents in my name? This is even dumber than that. And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-22 00:36:39 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
Remember when you looked for patents in my name?
Yes, I do remember. You never specified which company, patented your
unspecified ideas that they used in what unspecified products. Perhaps
I'm also being too vague. Which patent numbers have your name
attached?

(Aug 31, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/YAgynT7Dw2I/m/R6lf39FEAgAJ>
"The companies I worked for registered and patented their products -
my inventions under their names."
Post by cyclintom
This is even dumber than that.
Since you were unwilling or uninterested in producing some patents
with your name attached, I had to resort to proving that there was no
patent. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it works well
enough to demonstrate that you don't have any patented inventions.
Post by cyclintom
And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
Thanks. I do tend to say "a whole lot", which is better than you
saying little or nothing of value.
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
John B.
2024-08-22 01:17:00 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
Remember when you looked for patents in my name?
Yes, I do remember. You never specified which company, patented your
unspecified ideas that they used in what unspecified products. Perhaps
I'm also being too vague. Which patent numbers have your name
attached?
(Aug 31, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/YAgynT7Dw2I/m/R6lf39FEAgAJ>
"The companies I worked for registered and patented their products -
my inventions under their names."
Actually I believe that the system works this way. The patent is made
in the name of who owns it. If the inventor works for a company then
obviously the company owns his output and thus the patent. But in all
the cases that I've seen the individual(s) who actually did the work
is given credit.
see https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc

Magazine for firearm
Patent number: 10921075
Type: Grant
Filed: July 9, 2019
Date of Patent: February 16, 2021
Assignee: STURM, RUGER & COMPANY, INC.
Inventors: Nathan Brown, Matthew S. Willson, Dean M. Cousino, Maksim
Sakalouski

or

UNIVERSAL MAGAZINE LATCH MECHANISM FOR FIREARM
Publication number: 20140325886
Type: Application
Filed: May 5, 2014
Publication date: November 6, 2014
Applicant: Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc.
Inventor: Jonathan Philip MATHER

So, it seems likely that any invention made by Tom would include his
name. If he did the work on his own time then logically the assignee
would be his name and of done on "company time" the company's.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Since you were unwilling or uninterested in producing some patents
with your name attached, I had to resort to proving that there was no
patent. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it works well
enough to demonstrate that you don't have any patented inventions.
Post by cyclintom
And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
Thanks. I do tend to say "a whole lot", which is better than you
saying little or nothing of value.
--
Cheers,

John B.
Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-22 01:43:26 UTC
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Post by John B.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
Remember when you looked for patents in my name?
Yes, I do remember. You never specified which company, patented your
unspecified ideas that they used in what unspecified products. Perhaps
I'm also being too vague. Which patent numbers have your name
attached?
(Aug 31, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/YAgynT7Dw2I/m/R6lf39FEAgAJ>
"The companies I worked for registered and patented their products -
my inventions under their names."
Actually I believe that the system works this way. The patent is made
in the name of who owns it. If the inventor works for a company then
obviously the company owns his output and thus the patent. But in all
the cases that I've seen the individual(s) who actually did the work
is given credit.
Yes, that's the way it works. When I worked for various corporations,
the standard hiring practice (at the time) was for prospective
employees to disclose all of their existing and pending patents. Those
remain property of the employee after being hired. Under the terms of
a typical employment contract, everything done by the employee at work
and at home is automatically assigned to the company. If the employee
is working on a patented product that is not work related, he will
need to get a release from the company. There are also clauses for
dealing with patents issued after the employee leaves the company and
other complications. At the time when I gave up tracking such patent
issues, the courts were dealing with companies which demanded
assignment to the company of literally every patent that the employee
owns. I don't know what happened to that mess. The system has
changed over the years and I'm still living in the 20th century.
Post by John B.
see https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc
Magazine for firearm
Patent number: 10921075
Type: Grant
Filed: July 9, 2019
Date of Patent: February 16, 2021
Assignee: STURM, RUGER & COMPANY, INC.
Inventors: Nathan Brown, Matthew S. Willson, Dean M. Cousino, Maksim
Sakalouski
or
UNIVERSAL MAGAZINE LATCH MECHANISM FOR FIREARM
Publication number: 20140325886
Type: Application
Filed: May 5, 2014
Publication date: November 6, 2014
Applicant: Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc.
Inventor: Jonathan Philip MATHER
So, it seems likely that any invention made by Tom would include his
name. If he did the work on his own time then logically the assignee
would be his name and of done on "company time" the company's.
True, but not always. There were several products that were
eventually patented, where I did most of the work, but where the
patent listed the Dept Manager and the Chief Engineer as the
inventors. I complained bitterly, but there was nothing I could do to
change it. That may have been what happened to Tom. However, I doubt
it because I would have expected Tom to have mentioned it or at least
disclosed the patent number.
Post by John B.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Since you were unwilling or uninterested in producing some patents
with your name attached, I had to resort to proving that there was no
patent. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it works well
enough to demonstrate that you don't have any patented inventions.
Post by cyclintom
And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
Thanks. I do tend to say "a whole lot", which is better than you
saying little or nothing of value.
--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
cyclintom
2024-08-27 14:57:22 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by John B.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
Remember when you looked for patents in my name?
Yes, I do remember. You never specified which company, patented your
unspecified ideas that they used in what unspecified products. Perhaps
I'm also being too vague. Which patent numbers have your name
attached?
(Aug 31, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/YAgynT7Dw2I/m/R6lf39FEAgAJ>
"The companies I worked for registered and patented their products -
my inventions under their names."
Actually I believe that the system works this way. The patent is made
in the name of who owns it. If the inventor works for a company then
obviously the company owns his output and thus the patent. But in all
the cases that I've seen the individual(s) who actually did the work
is given credit.
Yes, that's the way it works. When I worked for various corporations,
the standard hiring practice (at the time) was for prospective
employees to disclose all of their existing and pending patents. Those
remain property of the employee after being hired. Under the terms of
a typical employment contract, everything done by the employee at work
and at home is automatically assigned to the company. If the employee
is working on a patented product that is not work related, he will
need to get a release from the company. There are also clauses for
dealing with patents issued after the employee leaves the company and
other complications. At the time when I gave up tracking such patent
issues, the courts were dealing with companies which demanded
assignment to the company of literally every patent that the employee
owns. I don't know what happened to that mess. The system has
changed over the years and I'm still living in the 20th century.
Post by John B.
see https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc
Magazine for firearm
Patent number: 10921075
Type: Grant
Filed: July 9, 2019
Date of Patent: February 16, 2021
Assignee: STURM, RUGER & COMPANY, INC.
Inventors: Nathan Brown, Matthew S. Willson, Dean M. Cousino, Maksim
Sakalouski
or
UNIVERSAL MAGAZINE LATCH MECHANISM FOR FIREARM
Publication number: 20140325886
Type: Application
Filed: May 5, 2014
Publication date: November 6, 2014
Applicant: Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc.
Inventor: Jonathan Philip MATHER
So, it seems likely that any invention made by Tom would include his
name. If he did the work on his own time then logically the assignee
would be his name and of done on "company time" the company's.
True, but not always. There were several products that were
eventually patented, where I did most of the work, but where the
patent listed the Dept Manager and the Chief Engineer as the
inventors. I complained bitterly, but there was nothing I could do to
change it. That may have been what happened to Tom. However, I doubt
it because I would have expected Tom to have mentioned it or at least
disclosed the patent number.
Post by John B.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Since you were unwilling or uninterested in producing some patents
with your name attached, I had to resort to proving that there was no
patent. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it works well
enough to demonstrate that you don't have any patented inventions.
Post by cyclintom
And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
Thanks. I do tend to say "a whole lot", which is better than you
saying little or nothing of value.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
What patents do YOU have and if you have none WHY would you know anything about "standard hiring practices" ? What a clown.
AMuzi
2024-08-22 12:44:33 UTC
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Post by John B.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
Remember when you looked for patents in my name?
Yes, I do remember. You never specified which company, patented your
unspecified ideas that they used in what unspecified products. Perhaps
I'm also being too vague. Which patent numbers have your name
attached?
(Aug 31, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/YAgynT7Dw2I/m/R6lf39FEAgAJ>
"The companies I worked for registered and patented their products -
my inventions under their names."
Actually I believe that the system works this way. The patent is made
in the name of who owns it. If the inventor works for a company then
obviously the company owns his output and thus the patent. But in all
the cases that I've seen the individual(s) who actually did the work
is given credit.
see https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc
Magazine for firearm
Patent number: 10921075
Type: Grant
Filed: July 9, 2019
Date of Patent: February 16, 2021
Assignee: STURM, RUGER & COMPANY, INC.
Inventors: Nathan Brown, Matthew S. Willson, Dean M. Cousino, Maksim
Sakalouski
or
UNIVERSAL MAGAZINE LATCH MECHANISM FOR FIREARM
Publication number: 20140325886
Type: Application
Filed: May 5, 2014
Publication date: November 6, 2014
Applicant: Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc.
Inventor: Jonathan Philip MATHER
So, it seems likely that any invention made by Tom would include his
name. If he did the work on his own time then logically the assignee
would be his name and of done on "company time" the company's.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Since you were unwilling or uninterested in producing some patents
with your name attached, I had to resort to proving that there was no
patent. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it works well
enough to demonstrate that you don't have any patented inventions.
Post by cyclintom
And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
Thanks. I do tend to say "a whole lot", which is better than you
saying little or nothing of value.
There are notable exceptions.

William Riley was never credited for his inspired
breakthrough planetary gearbox. As an employee of Raleigh
Industries, the patent papers were drafted as work by two
midlevel engineers, Messrs Sturmey and Archer, who were not
involved in the development..
--
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***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
cyclintom
2024-08-27 14:59:35 UTC
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Post by AMuzi
Post by John B.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
Remember when you looked for patents in my name?
Yes, I do remember. You never specified which company, patented your
unspecified ideas that they used in what unspecified products. Perhaps
I'm also being too vague. Which patent numbers have your name
attached?
(Aug 31, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/YAgynT7Dw2I/m/R6lf39FEAgAJ>
"The companies I worked for registered and patented their products -
my inventions under their names."
Actually I believe that the system works this way. The patent is made
in the name of who owns it. If the inventor works for a company then
obviously the company owns his output and thus the patent. But in all
the cases that I've seen the individual(s) who actually did the work
is given credit.
see https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc
Magazine for firearm
Patent number: 10921075
Type: Grant
Filed: July 9, 2019
Date of Patent: February 16, 2021
Assignee: STURM, RUGER & COMPANY, INC.
Inventors: Nathan Brown, Matthew S. Willson, Dean M. Cousino, Maksim
Sakalouski
or
UNIVERSAL MAGAZINE LATCH MECHANISM FOR FIREARM
Publication number: 20140325886
Type: Application
Filed: May 5, 2014
Publication date: November 6, 2014
Applicant: Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc.
Inventor: Jonathan Philip MATHER
So, it seems likely that any invention made by Tom would include his
name. If he did the work on his own time then logically the assignee
would be his name and of done on "company time" the company's.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Since you were unwilling or uninterested in producing some patents
with your name attached, I had to resort to proving that there was no
patent. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it works well
enough to demonstrate that you don't have any patented inventions.
Post by cyclintom
And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
Thanks. I do tend to say "a whole lot", which is better than you
saying little or nothing of value.
There are notable exceptions.
William Riley was never credited for his inspired
breakthrough planetary gearbox. As an employee of Raleigh
Industries, the patent papers were drafted as work by two
midlevel engineers, Messrs Sturmey and Archer, who were not
involved in the development..
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
People who know absolutely nothing about business practives are always the first to tell you about them.
AMuzi
2024-08-27 16:54:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
Post by John B.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
Remember when you looked for patents in my name?
Yes, I do remember. You never specified which company, patented your
unspecified ideas that they used in what unspecified products. Perhaps
I'm also being too vague. Which patent numbers have your name
attached?
(Aug 31, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/YAgynT7Dw2I/m/R6lf39FEAgAJ>
"The companies I worked for registered and patented their products -
my inventions under their names."
Actually I believe that the system works this way. The patent is made
in the name of who owns it. If the inventor works for a company then
obviously the company owns his output and thus the patent. But in all
the cases that I've seen the individual(s) who actually did the work
is given credit.
see https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc
Magazine for firearm
Patent number: 10921075
Type: Grant
Filed: July 9, 2019
Date of Patent: February 16, 2021
Assignee: STURM, RUGER & COMPANY, INC.
Inventors: Nathan Brown, Matthew S. Willson, Dean M. Cousino, Maksim
Sakalouski
or
UNIVERSAL MAGAZINE LATCH MECHANISM FOR FIREARM
Publication number: 20140325886
Type: Application
Filed: May 5, 2014
Publication date: November 6, 2014
Applicant: Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc.
Inventor: Jonathan Philip MATHER
So, it seems likely that any invention made by Tom would include his
name. If he did the work on his own time then logically the assignee
would be his name and of done on "company time" the company's.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Since you were unwilling or uninterested in producing some patents
with your name attached, I had to resort to proving that there was no
patent. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it works well
enough to demonstrate that you don't have any patented inventions.
Post by cyclintom
And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
Thanks. I do tend to say "a whole lot", which is better than you
saying little or nothing of value.
There are notable exceptions.
William Riley was never credited for his inspired
breakthrough planetary gearbox. As an employee of Raleigh
Industries, the patent papers were drafted as work by two
midlevel engineers, Messrs Sturmey and Archer, who were not
involved in the development..
People who know absolutely nothing about business practives are always the first to tell you about them.
As with every human endeavor...
--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
cyclintom
2024-08-27 18:07:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by AMuzi
Post by cyclintom
Post by AMuzi
Post by John B.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
Remember when you looked for patents in my name?
Yes, I do remember. You never specified which company, patented your
unspecified ideas that they used in what unspecified products. Perhaps
I'm also being too vague. Which patent numbers have your name
attached?
(Aug 31, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/YAgynT7Dw2I/m/R6lf39FEAgAJ>
"The companies I worked for registered and patented their products -
my inventions under their names."
Actually I believe that the system works this way. The patent is made
in the name of who owns it. If the inventor works for a company then
obviously the company owns his output and thus the patent. But in all
the cases that I've seen the individual(s) who actually did the work
is given credit.
see https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc
Magazine for firearm
Patent number: 10921075
Type: Grant
Filed: July 9, 2019
Date of Patent: February 16, 2021
Assignee: STURM, RUGER & COMPANY, INC.
Inventors: Nathan Brown, Matthew S. Willson, Dean M. Cousino, Maksim
Sakalouski
or
UNIVERSAL MAGAZINE LATCH MECHANISM FOR FIREARM
Publication number: 20140325886
Type: Application
Filed: May 5, 2014
Publication date: November 6, 2014
Applicant: Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc.
Inventor: Jonathan Philip MATHER
So, it seems likely that any invention made by Tom would include his
name. If he did the work on his own time then logically the assignee
would be his name and of done on "company time" the company's.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Since you were unwilling or uninterested in producing some patents
with your name attached, I had to resort to proving that there was no
patent. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it works well
enough to demonstrate that you don't have any patented inventions.
Post by cyclintom
And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
Thanks. I do tend to say "a whole lot", which is better than you
saying little or nothing of value.
There are notable exceptions.
William Riley was never credited for his inspired
breakthrough planetary gearbox. As an employee of Raleigh
Industries, the patent papers were drafted as work by two
midlevel engineers, Messrs Sturmey and Archer, who were not
involved in the development..
People who know absolutely nothing about business practives are always the first to tell you about them.
As with every human endeavor...
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Unfortunately you're correct as usual. I've been around for a long enough time to do most everything and Liebermann who has done nothing will tell you all about anything. I suppose i5 iw 5oo bad that he doesn't understand that something he thinks would work doesn't because he has never had any experience with thingd that work and things that don't. Flunky has had very limited eperience but compared to Liebermann he is Einstein. It is too bad that he can't stop himselrf from pretending that he is more than he is. He might even be a nice guy under all of the horseshit. John is an old guy that doesn't like me insulting these guys who he believes to be experts. That's fair. But they aren't experts and should stop acting as such.

Frank was a teacher and believes that teachers should be respected. Well, I respect those who deserve respect. It isn't given automatically because of someone's position. Fauci is certainly a very plain case in point. He lied before Congress, it was proven and they did NOTHING to him. Perhaps that was because Biden would have issued a blanket pardon for everyone involved in the Covid-19 debacle. But in my opinion they should have tried. He killed more people than in ALL of the wars of the 20th century.
Shadow
2024-08-27 18:32:45 UTC
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Biden would have issued a blanket pardon for everyone involved in the Covid-19 debacle.
LOL. Makes no sense, he wasn't even president then....

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Warp_Speed>

That's from 2020... and made Pfizer over 70 billion dollars.
According to an "expert", those vaccines are worse than AIDS, cancer,
heart attacks and communism all rolled together, and were funded by
tax-payers money...
I can understand your fear and hatred of science, but give
credit where credit is due.
[]'s
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We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021
cyclintom
2024-08-27 18:10:47 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
Remember when you looked for patents in my name?
Yes, I do remember. You never specified which company, patented your
unspecified ideas that they used in what unspecified products. Perhaps
I'm also being too vague. Which patent numbers have your name
attached?
(Aug 31, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/YAgynT7Dw2I/m/R6lf39FEAgAJ>
"The companies I worked for registered and patented their products -
my inventions under their names."
Actually I believe that the system works this way. The patent is made
in the name of who owns it. If the inventor works for a company then
obviously the company owns his output and thus the patent. But in all
the cases that I've seen the individual(s) who actually did the work
is given credit.
see https://patents.justia.com/assignee/sturm-ruger-company-inc
Magazine for firearm
Patent number: 10921075
Type: Grant
Filed: July 9, 2019
Date of Patent: February 16, 2021
Assignee: STURM, RUGER & COMPANY, INC.
Inventors: Nathan Brown, Matthew S. Willson, Dean M. Cousino, Maksim
Sakalouski
or
UNIVERSAL MAGAZINE LATCH MECHANISM FOR FIREARM
Publication number: 20140325886
Type: Application
Filed: May 5, 2014
Publication date: November 6, 2014
Applicant: Sturm, Ruger & Company, Inc.
Inventor: Jonathan Philip MATHER
So, it seems likely that any invention made by Tom would include his
name. If he did the work on his own time then logically the assignee
would be his name and of done on "company time" the company's.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Since you were unwilling or uninterested in producing some patents
with your name attached, I had to resort to proving that there was no
patent. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it works well
enough to demonstrate that you don't have any patented inventions.
Post by cyclintom
And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
Thanks. I do tend to say "a whole lot", which is better than you
saying little or nothing of value.
--
Cheers,
John B.
The entity of a patent holder is normally a matter of company policy that is written down somewhere. Many companies don't want to be bothered with patent rights because usually they are worth bupkus.
cyclintom
2024-08-27 14:54:42 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
Remember when you looked for patents in my name?
Yes, I do remember. You never specified which company, patented your
unspecified ideas that they used in what unspecified products. Perhaps
I'm also being too vague. Which patent numbers have your name
attached?
(Aug 31, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/YAgynT7Dw2I/m/R6lf39FEAgAJ>
"The companies I worked for registered and patented their products -
my inventions under their names."
Post by cyclintom
This is even dumber than that.
Since you were unwilling or uninterested in producing some patents
with your name attached, I had to resort to proving that there was no
patent. Absence of proof is not proof of absence, but it works well
enough to demonstrate that you don't have any patented inventions.
Post by cyclintom
And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
Thanks. I do tend to say "a whole lot", which is better than you
saying little or nothing of value.
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Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Dumbass, I never said that any company patented machines I designed. I have no idea of the legal end. I am an engineer and not a lawyer like you. I did SHOW you many of the instruments that were traded on Ebay. And you sniveled that I couldn't have designed and programmed those. You have never done anything and think y0ou can judge my work, ?You probably also believe that John rides bicycles into Bangkok which is more dangerous than Oakland. Not to mention that he is in his 90's.
Jeff Liebermann
2024-08-27 17:57:16 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Dumbass, I never said that any company patented machines I designed.
I beg to differ. You most certainly did claim that your employers
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
(Aug 31, 2023)
<https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/YAgynT7Dw2I/m/R6lf39FEAgAJ>
"The companies I worked for registered and patented their products -
my inventions under their names."
Incidentally, you don't "register" a patent. You "apply for" or "are
issued" a patent. You "register" a trademark or copyright. Nice
demonstration that you haven't had much involvement with trademarks,
copyrights and patents.
--
Jeff Liebermann ***@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Zen Cycle
2024-08-22 14:06:46 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Remember when you looked for patents in my name? This is even dumber than that. And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
I think it's safe to say AI hates you as much as everyone else does
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cyclintom
2024-08-27 15:00:59 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Remember when you looked for patents in my name? This is even dumber than that. And in your case that's saying a whole lot.
I think it's safe to say AI hates you as much as everyone else does
--
Add xx to reply
Again, you've shown that you know nothing at all about AI.
John B.
2024-08-26 07:55:50 UTC
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Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
Well, envious the AI thing has got it wrong :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.
John B.
2024-08-26 08:05:31 UTC
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Post by John B.
Post by Jeff Liebermann
I was one of the first to program AI into products...
"Was Thomas Kunich one of the early adopters of artificial
intelligence?"
<https://search.brave.com/search?q=Was+Thomas+Kunich+one+of+the+early+adopters+of+artificial+intelligence%3F>
"There is no evidence to suggest that Thomas Kunich was an early
adopter of artificial intelligence."
Tom, the AI has spoken and you are not among the patriarchs.
Well, envious the AI thing has got it wrong :-)
After all Tommy Boy is always right... isn't he? ... or is it always
Wrong?

This spelling thing is awful difficult?


Right Rrong? Hard to tell then apart, isn't it.
--
Cheers,

John B.
cyclintom
2024-08-21 17:02:52 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
You may take it from me that I am delighted that you were able to make a living for yourself for all of the years in between being fired as an engineer and until the onset of your cancer. I do not complain about people in need being on welfare or MediCal.

I do not like your wanting to be the espert about everything and being proven wrong on every occassoon. I do not like you waving a degree around as if it meant something when you could never use it to gain an engineering job. I suggest that you stay in your own lane.
Zen Cycle
2024-08-21 21:38:32 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
You may take it from me that I am delighted that you were able to make a living for yourself for all of the years in between being fired as an engineer and until the onset of your cancer. I do not complain about people in need being on welfare or MediCal.
I do not like your wanting to be the espert about everything and being proven wrong on every occassoon.
lol....tommy commenting on jeff being wrong all the time.
Post by cyclintom
I do not like you waving a degree around as if it meant something when you could never use it to gain an engineering job. I suggest that you stay in your own lane.
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cyclintom
2024-08-24 22:19:10 UTC
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Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
You may take it from me that I am delighted that you were able to make a living for yourself for all of the years in between being fired as an engineer and until the onset of your cancer. I do not complain about people in need being on welfare or MediCal.
I do not like your wanting to be the espert about everything and being proven wrong on every occassoon.
lol....tommy commenting on jeff being wrong all the time.
Post by cyclintom
I do not like you waving a degree around as if it meant something when you could never use it to gain an engineering job. I suggest that you stay in your own lane.
--
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Gee, and here I was expecting you to tell us you can program but you find it all too boring. I call you Flunky for a reason.
zen cycle
2024-08-25 16:44:59 UTC
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Post by cyclintom
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
You may take it from me that I am delighted that you were able to make a living for yourself for all of the years in between being fired as an engineer and until the onset of your cancer. I do not complain about people in need being on welfare or MediCal.
I do not like your wanting to be the espert about everything and being proven wrong on every occassoon.
lol....tommy commenting on jeff being wrong all the time.
Post by cyclintom
I do not like you waving a degree around as if it meant something when you could never use it to gain an engineering job. I suggest that you stay in your own lane.
--
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Gee, and here I was expecting you to tell us you can program but you find it all too boring.
I've done that before, no secret....
Post by cyclintom
I call you Flunky for a reason.
Yup it's because you're a broken down old drunk living on social
security whos jealous of anyone with more than a modicum of success in life.
cyclintom
2024-08-27 14:34:43 UTC
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Post by zen cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Zen Cycle
Post by cyclintom
Post by Jeff Liebermann
Post by cyclintom
You knowing nothing about programming are probably mystified.
I hate to disappoint you, but I know very little about programming. I
can do some programming when necessary but prefer to have someone else
do my programming. I also don't mix socially with programmers.
Despite these limitations, I've been successfully self-employed as a
computer consultant and computer repairman for 36 years (1984 to
<https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/details/experience/>
While knowing how to program can be useful, it's not a requirement for
knowing how to configure a Facebook account, knowing how to login,
being able to type your email address or login name correctly, and fix
various Windoze software related problems.
My knowing very little about programming was not an accident or the
result of a head injury. It was an intentional decision that I had to
reluctantly make when I moved to Silicon Valley. At the time (1973 ?)
the pundits and experts were proclaiming that an engineer, who didn't
immediately learn how to program, would soon become obsolete and
unemployable. I realized that there was not enough time to
simultaneously stay up to date on RF (radio frequency) design and
learn how to program. Since the herd was stampeding in the direction
of programming, I decided that concentrating on RF design was a better
choice. There were times when I regretted that decision, but over the
years, it has worked quite well for me. Predictably, most of the
analog and RF engineers I know can also program, but few of the
programmers I've met can do anything useful with RF design. Meanwhile,
the same programmers are complaining that their jobs are being
outsourced to less expensive overseas sweat shops. In the future,
programming might be performed by AI's.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
You may take it from me that I am delighted that you were able to make a living for yourself for all of the years in between being fired as an engineer and until the onset of your cancer. I do not complain about people in need being on welfare or MediCal.
I do not like your wanting to be the espert about everything and being proven wrong on every occassoon.
lol....tommy commenting on jeff being wrong all the time.
Post by cyclintom
I do not like you waving a degree around as if it meant something when you could never use it to gain an engineering job. I suggest that you stay in your own lane.
--
Add xx to reply
Gee, and here I was expecting you to tell us you can program but you find it all too boring.
I've done that before, no secret....
Post by cyclintom
I call you Flunky for a reason.
Yup it's because you're a broken down old drunk living on social
security whos jealous of anyone with more than a modicum of success in life.
Sticks and stones little boy, Sticks and stones. The fact that I got well to do by completing projeccts that you couldn't even understand really hurts you deeply. What hurts you even more is that I see right through your fascade. You couldn't get a job as a designer because you couldn't design a garbage can. So you found a job as someone that can sign off QC paperwork. There's nothing wrong with that except your pretense of knowing anything.
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