wheel tech for the wheel techs.

Post by Zen Cycle
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-patent-points-to-
revolutionary-new-in-wheel-sensor
Sram has patented a wheel sensor that "may include, for
example, tire pressure data, wheel speed data, wheel
odometer data, rim composite health data, wheel lean and yaw
data, product data, road feedback data, light emitting diode
(LED) status indicators, and/or other data,”
It will require a new wheel design that has an opening
opposite the valve stem to fit the device.
There doesn't seem to me to be any _real_ practical data
while riding, though I suppose someone might be interested
in continuously monitoring tire pressure data.

+1
Then again I can see some rider complaining that it doesn't
show enough information- How many people viewed my ride
reports on Strava today?

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Catrike Ryder

2024-11-19 23:15:40 UTC

Post by Zen Cycle
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-patent-points-to-
revolutionary-new-in-wheel-sensor
Sram has patented a wheel sensor that "may include, for
example, tire pressure data, wheel speed data, wheel
odometer data, rim composite health data, wheel lean and yaw
data, product data, road feedback data, light emitting diode
(LED) status indicators, and/or other data,
It will require a new wheel design that has an opening
opposite the valve stem to fit the device.
There doesn't seem to me to be any _real_ practical data
while riding, though I suppose someone might be interested
in continuously monitoring tire pressure data.

+1
Then again I can see some rider complaining that it doesn't
show enough information- How many people viewed my ride
reports on Strava today?

There's a lot more data there than what I'm interested in, but I do
collect a lot of data about my rides. My ride database goes back to
February, 2011. It's interesting to see graphs of the data to see how
my advancing years, and (??) have affected my performance.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

zen cycle

2024-11-20 10:38:08 UTC

Post by Zen Cycle
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-patent-points-to-
revolutionary-new-in-wheel-sensor
Sram has patented a wheel sensor that "may include, for example, tire
pressure data, wheel speed data, wheel odometer data, rim composite
health data, wheel lean and yaw data, product data, road feedback
data, light emitting diode (LED) status indicators, and/or other data,”
It will require a new wheel design that has an opening opposite the
valve stem to fit the device.
There doesn't seem to me to be any _real_ practical data while riding,
though I suppose someone might be interested in continuously
monitoring tire pressure data.

+1
Then again I can see some rider complaining that it doesn't show enough
information- How many people viewed my ride reports on Strava today?

I didn't realize you were on Strava - I don't believe you mentioned it
here before.

AMuzi

2024-11-20 14:21:00 UTC

Post by zen cycle

Post by Zen Cycle
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-patent-points-to-
revolutionary-new-in-wheel-sensor
Sram has patented a wheel sensor that "may include, for
example, tire pressure data, wheel speed data, wheel
odometer data, rim composite health data, wheel lean and
yaw data, product data, road feedback data, light
emitting diode (LED) status indicators, and/or other data,”
It will require a new wheel design that has an opening
opposite the valve stem to fit the device.
There doesn't seem to me to be any _real_ practical data
while riding, though I suppose someone might be
interested in continuously monitoring tire pressure data.

+1
Then again I can see some rider complaining that it
doesn't show enough information- How many people viewed my
ride reports on Strava today?

I didn't realize you were on Strava - I don't believe you
mentioned it here before.

No way, not my thing at all.

I just like riding my bike. It's utterly new every day and
I look forward to it every morning.

Today, for example, was bright, a little cooler but dry,
unlike yesterday's unusually warm but drizzling and damp
with a stiff wind which lifted a thick fog.

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Catrike Ryder

2024-11-20 14:38:37 UTC

Post by Zen Cycle
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-patent-points-to-
revolutionary-new-in-wheel-sensor
Sram has patented a wheel sensor that "may include, for
example, tire pressure data, wheel speed data, wheel
odometer data, rim composite health data, wheel lean and
yaw data, product data, road feedback data, light
emitting diode (LED) status indicators, and/or other data,
It will require a new wheel design that has an opening
opposite the valve stem to fit the device.
There doesn't seem to me to be any _real_ practical data
while riding, though I suppose someone might be
interested in continuously monitoring tire pressure data.

+1
Then again I can see some rider complaining that it
doesn't show enough information- How many people viewed my
ride reports on Strava today?

I didn't realize you were on Strava - I don't believe you
mentioned it here before.

No way, not my thing at all.
I just like riding my bike. It's utterly new every day and
I look forward to it every morning.
Today, for example, was bright, a little cooler but dry,
unlike yesterday's unusually warm but drizzling and damp
with a stiff wind which lifted a thick fog.

I'm on Strava because Garmin sends my data to Strava, but with both
Garmin and Strava, my data is private. I only compare myself to
myself.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

Frank Krygowski

2024-11-20 16:37:52 UTC

Post by zen cycle

Post by Zen Cycle
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-patent-points-to-
revolutionary-new-in-wheel-sensor
Sram has patented a wheel sensor that "may include, for example,
tire pressure data, wheel speed data, wheel odometer data, rim
composite health data, wheel lean and yaw data, product data, road
feedback data, light emitting diode (LED) status indicators, and/or
other data,”
It will require a new wheel design that has an opening opposite the
valve stem to fit the device.
There doesn't seem to me to be any _real_ practical data while
riding, though I suppose someone might be interested in continuously
monitoring tire pressure data.

+1
Then again I can see some rider complaining that it doesn't show
enough information- How many people viewed my ride reports on Strava
today?

I didn't realize you were on Strava - I don't believe you mentioned it
here before.

No way, not my thing at all.
I just like riding my bike.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank Krygowski

2024-11-20 01:42:24 UTC

Post by Zen Cycle
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-patent-points-to-revolutionary-
new-in-wheel-sensor
Sram has patented a wheel sensor that "may include, for example, tire
pressure data, wheel speed data, wheel odometer data, rim composite
health data, wheel lean and yaw data, product data, road feedback data,
light emitting diode (LED) status indicators, and/or other data,”
It will require a new wheel design that has an opening opposite the
valve stem to fit the device.
There doesn't seem to me to be any _real_ practical data while riding,
though I suppose someone might be interested in continuously monitoring
tire pressure data.

Ooh, I can't tell you how many times I've thought "I measured my tire
pressure before I left the house, but I wonder what it is _now_.
And... and _now_!"

I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said here, something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm getting."

--
- Frank Krygowski

Catrike Ryder

2024-11-20 10:36:44 UTC

On Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:42:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-patent-points-to-revolutionary-
new-in-wheel-sensor
Sram has patented a wheel sensor that "may include, for example, tire
pressure data, wheel speed data, wheel odometer data, rim composite
health data, wheel lean and yaw data, product data, road feedback data,
light emitting diode (LED) status indicators, and/or other data,
It will require a new wheel design that has an opening opposite the
valve stem to fit the device.
There doesn't seem to me to be any _real_ practical data while riding,
though I suppose someone might be interested in continuously monitoring
tire pressure data.

Ooh, I can't tell you how many times I've thought "I measured my tire
pressure before I left the house, but I wonder what it is _now_.
And... and _now_!"
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said here, something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm getting."

Some people see their bike rides as a competition against their
previous rides. That's difficult to do if you don't record and archive
ride data.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

zen cycle

2024-11-20 10:50:38 UTC

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-patent-points-to-revolutionary- new-in-wheel-sensor
Sram has patented a wheel sensor that "may include, for example, tire
pressure data, wheel speed data, wheel odometer data, rim composite
health data, wheel lean and yaw data, product data, road feedback
data, light emitting diode (LED) status indicators, and/or other data,”
It will require a new wheel design that has an opening opposite the
valve stem to fit the device.
There doesn't seem to me to be any _real_ practical data while riding,
though I suppose someone might be interested in continuously
monitoring tire pressure data.

Ooh, I can't tell you how many times I've thought "I measured my tire
pressure before I left the house, but I wonder what it is _now_. And...
and _now_!"
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said here, something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm getting."

A lot of people don't care, but I'd have thought that you of all people
would understand the desire for people to collect data - if anything,
just as a point of interest. You have claimed repeatedly the "[you're] a
data guy". Welcome to data.

I have accounts on Strava, Garmin, and Training Peaks. Strava is the
primary tool I use, easiest to track fundamentals and also tracks
segment metrics automatically. Garmin has a number of other overall
fitness metrics that Strava doesn't (sleep data, HRV, running metrics),
and Training Peaks is the gold standard for workout analysis analyzing
Training Stress Score, ranking peak power and exertion efforts, annual
comparisons, and much finer granularity for interval efforts.

You don't have to be a competitior to find this valuable.

For someone who claims to be a data guy, I'm puzzled that you don't have
the slightest interest in the data.

Frank Krygowski

2024-11-20 16:37:16 UTC

Post by zen cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?) data
about one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said here,
something like "I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm
getting."

A lot of people don't care, but I'd have thought that you of all people
would understand the desire for people to collect data - if anything,
just as a point of interest. You have claimed repeatedly the "[you're] a
data guy". Welcome to data.
I have accounts on Strava, Garmin, and Training Peaks. Strava is the
primary tool I use, easiest to track fundamentals and also tracks
segment metrics automatically. Garmin has a number of other overall
fitness metrics that Strava doesn't (sleep data, HRV, running metrics),
and Training Peaks is the gold standard for workout analysis analyzing
Training Stress Score, ranking peak power and exertion efforts, annual
comparisons, and much finer granularity for interval efforts.
You don't have to be a competitior to find this valuable.
For someone who claims to be a data guy, I'm puzzled that you don't have
the slightest interest in the data.

I am a data guy - that is, when a problem or question arises I look for
data that's relevant - but I think I tend to gather my own data only
when it's got some objective.

Examples: When we moved into this house, I knew it was poorly sealed and
insulated. For quite a few years, instead of putting spare cash and time
into investments, I put it into improving the house - weatherstripping,
caulking, adding insulation, covering windows at night, etc. And I kept
track of utility use, plotting graphs. I was well motivated by seeing
the gas usage drop tremendously over time, down to less than half its
original amount.

Similarly, there was a time my weight got up to about 8 pounds higher
than present. I began plotting it on a graph above the scale (which
amused my wife!) and the downward slope motivated me to keep losing.
Once it was stable, I tossed the data. I still weigh myself daily, but
just as a mental check. I don't record any numbers.

I've always been more casual with my bicycling. I used to "time trial"
home from work if I caught the first few traffic lights green, but I
never kept systematic records of my times. These days I ride just to
enjoy the rides, and enjoy the company of friends.

I can see the value of data if a person is training for competition, and
actually using that data to adjust training strategy. But for myself, I
agree with Jay Beattie's statement above.

--
- Frank Krygowski

Wolfgang Strobl

2024-11-20 16:25:12 UTC

Am Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:42:24 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-patent-points-to-revolutionary-
new-in-wheel-sensor
Sram has patented a wheel sensor that "may include, for example, tire
pressure data, wheel speed data, wheel odometer data, rim composite
health data, wheel lean and yaw data, product data, road feedback data,
light emitting diode (LED) status indicators, and/or other data,”
It will require a new wheel design that has an opening opposite the
valve stem to fit the device.
There doesn't seem to me to be any _real_ practical data while riding,
though I suppose someone might be interested in continuously monitoring
tire pressure data.

Ooh, I can't tell you how many times I've thought "I measured my tire
pressure before I left the house, but I wonder what it is _now_.
And... and _now_!"
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said here, something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm getting."

I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm getting, either. Or
at least not much - a paper map and a watch will do.

But I am glad that I have instruments that help me to measure what I can
hardly guess while riding, such as my heart rate, and the amount of
power my legs deliver to the drivetrain.

Sports science provides a lot of clues that are usefull not only for
young athletes who want to win, but also for older people who want to
increase their performance a little bit after retirement and then
maintain it for a while. It helps to know at what wattage to ride for
enhancing endurance and it is necessary to be able to measure that, in
order to make good use of that knowledge.

You certainly can do without. There is a lot you can do without. Drop
bars, for example. That rider riding slowly on an old Dutch style
bicycle makes fun of you, for your uncomfortable posture on the road
bike with drop bars. Could be me, too. ;-)
<Loading Image...

>

"You need two brakes and a gearshift? What for?" asks the man on the
fixie. And so on.

There _is_ unnecessary stuff, something that doesn't fit a bicycle,
because it doesn't make it in any way a better bicycle, or because after
adding it is no longer a bicycle. An example for the former case is
shown here
<Loading Image...

>,
an example for the latter is a motor doing most of the work.

--
Thank you for observing all safety precautions

Frank Krygowski

2024-11-20 17:24:02 UTC

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:42:24 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said here, something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm getting."

...
You certainly can do without. There is a lot you can do without. Drop
bars, for example. That rider riding slowly on an old Dutch style
bicycle makes fun of you, for your uncomfortable posture on the road
bike with drop bars. Could be me, too. ;-)
<https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/bild12.jpeg>
"You need two brakes and a gearshift? What for?" asks the man on the
fixie. And so on.
There _is_ unnecessary stuff, something that doesn't fit a bicycle,
because it doesn't make it in any way a better bicycle, or because after
adding it is no longer a bicycle. An example for the former case is
shown here
<https://i.pinimg.com/originals/58/a6/4b/58a64b87c7c0397e163ca93e41b19c8b.png>

Sure, people are free to make their own choices. That photo shows some
odd (to me) aesthetic choices, but I'm sure those kids like them.

Last year, a musician friend of mine asked if I would help fitting his
new wheels onto his bike, which I agreed to do. Turns out it was an old
"cruiser" bike https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cruiser+bike and the wheels
were something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/394253136055

Centering that rim was quite a project!

--
- Frank Krygowski

AMuzi

2024-11-20 17:51:56 UTC

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:42:24 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and
retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said here,
something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm
getting."

...
You certainly can do without. There is a lot you can do
without. Drop
bars, for example. That rider riding slowly on an old
Dutch style
bicycle makes fun of you, for your uncomfortable posture
on the road
bike with drop bars. Could be me, too. ;-)
<https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/bild12.jpeg>
"You need two brakes and a gearshift? What for?" asks the
man on the
fixie. And so on.
There _is_ unnecessary stuff, something that doesn't fit a
bicycle,
because it doesn't make it in any way a better bicycle, or
because after
adding it is no longer a bicycle. An example for the
former case is
shown here
<https://i.pinimg.com/originals/58/
a6/4b/58a64b87c7c0397e163ca93e41b19c8b.png>

Sure, people are free to make their own choices. That photo
shows some odd (to me) aesthetic choices, but I'm sure those
kids like them.
Last year, a musician friend of mine asked if I would help
fitting his new wheels onto his bike, which I agreed to do.
Turns out it was an old "cruiser" bike https://
duckduckgo.com/?q=cruiser+bike and the wheels were something
like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/394253136055
Centering that rim was quite a project!

You needed one of these:

https://tinyurl.com/mr48jdrp

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Frank Krygowski

2024-11-20 19:55:04 UTC

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:42:24 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said here, something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm getting."

Sure, people are free to make their own choices. That photo shows some
odd (to me) aesthetic choices, but I'm sure those kids like them.
Last year, a musician friend of mine asked if I would help fitting his
new wheels onto his bike, which I agreed to do. Turns out it was an
old "cruiser" bike https:// duckduckgo.com/?q=cruiser+bike and the
wheels were something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/394253136055
Centering that rim was quite a project!

https://tinyurl.com/mr48jdrp

The ring style with multiple openings wouldn't have fit between the
spokes! I stripped off the rubber and did it all with a screwdriver
inside the spoke bed of the rim.

--
- Frank Krygowski

AMuzi

2024-11-20 20:02:58 UTC

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:42:24 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and
retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said
here, something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm
getting."

...
You certainly can do without. There is a lot you can do
without. Drop
bars, for example. That rider riding slowly on an old
Dutch style
bicycle makes fun of you, for your uncomfortable posture
on the road
bike with drop bars. Could be me, too. ;-)
<https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/bild12.jpeg>
"You need two brakes and a gearshift? What for?" asks
the man on the
fixie. And so on.
There _is_ unnecessary stuff, something that doesn't fit
a bicycle,
because it doesn't make it in any way a better bicycle,
or because after
adding it is no longer a bicycle. An example for the
former case is
shown here
<https://i.pinimg.com/originals/58/
a6/4b/58a64b87c7c0397e163ca93e41b19c8b.png>

Sure, people are free to make their own choices. That
photo shows some odd (to me) aesthetic choices, but I'm
sure those kids like them.
Last year, a musician friend of mine asked if I would
help fitting his new wheels onto his bike, which I agreed
to do. Turns out it was an old "cruiser" bike https://
duckduckgo.com/?q=cruiser+bike and the wheels were
something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/394253136055
Centering that rim was quite a project!

https://tinyurl.com/mr48jdrp

The ring style with multiple openings wouldn't have fit
between the spokes! I stripped off the rubber and did it all
with a screwdriver inside the spoke bed of the rim.

Sorry I could not find a good action photo of a side-entry
spoke wrench alone. The round tool shown above it is slotted
to prevent blade spoke windup.

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Wolfgang Strobl

2024-11-20 20:31:22 UTC

Am Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:24:02 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:42:24 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said here, something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm getting."

Sure, people are free to make their own choices.

Sure, but that wasn't the point. We already knew that.

You wrote "I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?)
data about one's non-competitive riding". I explained some reasons for
our choice to gather (and retain!) some data on our bicycles, like for
example speed, cadence, power and heart rate, in the part you didn't
quote. I'm no competetive rider, never have been. Neither is my wife.

Post by Frank Krygowski
That photo shows some
odd (to me) aesthetic choices, but I'm sure those kids like them.

I don't know if I should take that as a more friendly view. Probably
not.

You ridicule rational behavior, even after a lengthy explanation, just
because it doesn't fit your personal situation, needs and preferences,
but rationalize bizarre technical constructs like those monstrous
handlebars as "aesthetic choices".

I share your criticism of excessive self-measurement - but only up to a
point. Please, don't assume that just because you personally don't have
a need or use case for a specific device or data, that everybody who
uses that kind of device is either a fool or has made an "aesthetic
choice".

Post by Frank Krygowski
Last year, a musician friend of mine asked if I would help fitting his
new wheels onto his bike, which I agreed to do. Turns out it was an old
"cruiser" bike https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cruiser+bike and the wheels
were something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/394253136055
Centering that rim was quite a project!

Funny indeed. But I don't see any reasoning here, sorry.

--
Thank you for observing all safety precautions

AMuzi

2024-11-20 20:41:30 UTC

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:24:02 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:42:24 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said here, something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm getting."

Sure, people are free to make their own choices.

Sure, but that wasn't the point. We already knew that.
You wrote "I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?)
data about one's non-competitive riding". I explained some reasons for
our choice to gather (and retain!) some data on our bicycles, like for
example speed, cadence, power and heart rate, in the part you didn't
quote. I'm no competetive rider, never have been. Neither is my wife.

Post by Frank Krygowski
That photo shows some
odd (to me) aesthetic choices, but I'm sure those kids like them.

I don't know if I should take that as a more friendly view. Probably
not.
You ridicule rational behavior, even after a lengthy explanation, just
because it doesn't fit your personal situation, needs and preferences,
but rationalize bizarre technical constructs like those monstrous
handlebars as "aesthetic choices".
I share your criticism of excessive self-measurement - but only up to a
point. Please, don't assume that just because you personally don't have
a need or use case for a specific device or data, that everybody who
uses that kind of device is either a fool or has made an "aesthetic
choice".

Funny indeed. But I don't see any reasoning here, sorry.

People do see the same thing from different viewpoints and
value them in their own way:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14104761/Roller-skater-dog-walker-death-caught-leash.html

--
Andrew Muzi
***@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Frank Krygowski

2024-11-21 03:22:45 UTC

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:24:02 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:42:24 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said here, something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm getting."

Sure, people are free to make their own choices.

Sure, but that wasn't the point. We already knew that.
You wrote "I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?)
data about one's non-competitive riding". I explained some reasons for
our choice to gather (and retain!) some data on our bicycles, like for
example speed, cadence, power and heart rate, in the part you didn't
quote. I'm no competetive rider, never have been. Neither is my wife.

Post by Frank Krygowski
That photo shows some
odd (to me) aesthetic choices, but I'm sure those kids like them.

I don't know if I should take that as a more friendly view. Probably
not.
You ridicule rational behavior, even after a lengthy explanation, just
because it doesn't fit your personal situation, needs and preferences,
but rationalize bizarre technical constructs like those monstrous
handlebars as "aesthetic choices".
I share your criticism of excessive self-measurement - but only up to a
point. Please, don't assume that just because you personally don't have
a need or use case for a specific device or data, that everybody who
uses that kind of device is either a fool or has made an "aesthetic
choice".

Funny indeed. But I don't see any reasoning here, sorry.

People do see the same thing from different viewpoints and value them in
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14104761/Roller-skater-dog-
walker-death-caught-leash.html

Andrew, I suspect you grabbed the wrong link there.

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AMuzi

2024-11-21 13:32:17 UTC

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:24:02 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:42:24 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and
retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said
here, something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm
getting."

...
You certainly can do without. There is a lot you can
do without. Drop
bars, for example. That rider riding slowly on an old
Dutch style
bicycle makes fun of you, for your uncomfortable
posture on the road
bike with drop bars. Could be me, too. ;-)
<https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/bild12.jpeg>
"You need two brakes and a gearshift? What for?" asks
the man on the
fixie. And so on.
There _is_ unnecessary stuff, something that doesn't
fit a bicycle,
because it doesn't make it in any way a better bicycle,
or because after
adding it is no longer a bicycle. An example for the
former case is
shown here
<https://i.pinimg.com/originals/58/
a6/4b/58a64b87c7c0397e163ca93e41b19c8b.png>

Sure, people are free to make their own choices.

Sure, but that wasn't the point. We already knew that.
You wrote "I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather
(and retain?)
data about one's non-competitive riding". I explained
some reasons for
our choice to gather (and retain!) some data on our
bicycles, like for
example speed, cadence, power and heart rate, in the part
you didn't
quote. I'm no competetive rider, never have been.
Neither is my wife.

Post by Frank Krygowski
That photo shows some
odd (to me) aesthetic choices, but I'm sure those kids
like them.

I don't know if I should take that as a more friendly
view. Probably
not.
You ridicule rational behavior, even after a lengthy
explanation, just
because it doesn't fit your personal situation, needs and
preferences,
but rationalize bizarre technical constructs like those
monstrous
handlebars as "aesthetic choices".
I share your criticism of excessive self-measurement -
but only up to a
point. Please, don't assume that just because you
personally don't have
a need or use case for a specific device or data, that
everybody who
uses that kind of device is either a fool or has made an
"aesthetic
choice".

Post by Frank Krygowski
Last year, a musician friend of mine asked if I would
help fitting his
new wheels onto his bike, which I agreed to do. Turns
out it was an old
"cruiser" bike https://duckduckgo.com/?q=cruiser+bike
and the wheels
were something like this: https://www.ebay.com/
itm/394253136055
Centering that rim was quite a project!

Funny indeed. But I don't see any reasoning here, sorry.

People do see the same thing from different viewpoints and
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14104761/Roller-
skater-dog- walker-death-caught-leash.html

Andrew, I suspect you grabbed the wrong link there.

Regarding optional equipment-

Noticeable in its absence is any mention in that fatal
incident of dog-walking helmets. Quelle horreur!

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2024-11-21 03:20:25 UTC

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Wed, 20 Nov 2024 12:24:02 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
Sure, people are free to make their own choices.

Sure, but that wasn't the point. We already knew that.
You wrote "I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?)
data about one's non-competitive riding". I explained some reasons for
our choice to gather (and retain!) some data on our bicycles, like for
example speed, cadence, power and heart rate, in the part you didn't
quote. I'm no competetive rider, never have been. Neither is my wife.

...

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
You ridicule rational behavior, even after a lengthy explanation, just
because it doesn't fit your personal situation, needs and preferences...

If my "I'm puzzled ..." statement sounds like ridicule to you, you may
be excessively sensitive.

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Zen Cycle

2024-11-20 19:50:06 UTC

Post by Wolfgang Strobl
Am Tue, 19 Nov 2024 20:42:24 -0500 schrieb Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-patent-points-to-revolutionary-
new-in-wheel-sensor
Sram has patented a wheel sensor that "may include, for example, tire
pressure data, wheel speed data, wheel odometer data, rim composite
health data, wheel lean and yaw data, product data, road feedback data,
light emitting diode (LED) status indicators, and/or other data,”
It will require a new wheel design that has an opening opposite the
valve stem to fit the device.
There doesn't seem to me to be any _real_ practical data while riding,
though I suppose someone might be interested in continuously monitoring
tire pressure data.

Ooh, I can't tell you how many times I've thought "I measured my tire
pressure before I left the house, but I wonder what it is _now_.
And... and _now_!"
I'm puzzled by the modern compulsion to gather (and retain?) data about
one's non-competitive riding. Jay Beattie once said here, something like
"I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm getting."

I don't need anything to tell me how much slower I'm getting, either. Or
at least not much - a paper map and a watch will do.
But I am glad that I have instruments that help me to measure what I can
hardly guess while riding, such as my heart rate, and the amount of
power my legs deliver to the drivetrain.
Sports science provides a lot of clues that are usefull not only for
young athletes who want to win, but also for older people who want to
increase their performance a little bit after retirement and then
maintain it for a while. It helps to know at what wattage to ride for
enhancing endurance and it is necessary to be able to measure that, in
order to make good use of that knowledge.
You certainly can do without. There is a lot you can do without. Drop
bars, for example. That rider riding slowly on an old Dutch style
bicycle makes fun of you, for your uncomfortable posture on the road
bike with drop bars. Could be me, too. ;-)
<https://www.mystrobl.de/Plone/radfahren/bild12.jpeg>

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2024-11-20 15:44:58 UTC

Post by Zen Cycle
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/sram-patent-points-to-revolutionary-new-in-wheel-sensor
Sram has patented a wheel sensor that "may include, for example, tire
pressure data, wheel speed data, wheel odometer data, rim composite
health data, wheel lean and yaw data, product data, road feedback data,
light emitting diode (LED) status indicators, and/or other data,”
It will require a new wheel design that has an opening opposite the
valve stem to fit the device.
There doesn't seem to me to be any _real_ practical data while riding,
though I suppose someone might be interested in continuously monitoring
tire pressure data.

To me, mostly a "meh" thing. Something to satisfy the hyper-competitive
guys, but as much of anything, I think it may be one of those "because
it's possible" things. I can guess that the inspiration for this is
somebody that noticed having pressure sensors on his car and asked, "why
can't I have this on my bike?

The one practical reason may be in being able to monitor a tire that has
a slow leak in it, especially a pinhole leak that's small enough where a
tire is deflating slowly enough for the rider to ask the question of
whether it's it's urgent enough to stop and fix immediately, or small
enough to wait until the end of the ride.

Smith

Frank Krygowski

2024-11-20 16:47:17 UTC