Abbott

[cyclintom]

The Abbott parking lots remain empty after that single day of being full and the following day when equipment was being removed. Cooking drugs is a 24 hour business and you would expect at least a quarter of the parking lot to be full at all times. Over the weekend I rode throught them twice and they were completely empty except for empty security vehicles.

Also all along the Airport Blvd, the industrial buildings all appear to be lined with For Sale signs The restaurant that is out there and the Chinese church behind it are doing well. The Raiders practice field has finally lost the "Raiders" sign. Peets Coffee building appears to be the same though it has a lower amoung of cars parked there. The building I used to work in had the entire front redesigned but there doesn't seem to be any occupant.

More noticeable is that the cars passing are not in a hurry. This means that they are only returning fron stores and what-not and not doing to work, The Ferry that goes to San Francisco as a commutter transportation is fullo but I'm not sure why. The last time I was in San Francisco even the restaurants for which the city was famous were being put out of business since people could not afford to eat out.

There was a beer bsr that used to be quite actice and the last time I went by it too was closed.

Gavin Loathsome after supposring legalizing majiuana is not trying to reverse himself and convince parents that pot is bad. Too late, 12 year olds now have all they want. You can get it on-line.

[AMuzi]

Post by cyclintom
The Abbott parking lots remain empty after that single day of being full and the following day when equipment was being removed. Cooking drugs is a 24 hour business and you would expect at least a quarter of the parking lot to be full at all times. Over the weekend I rode throught them twice and they were completely empty except for empty security vehicles.
Also all along the Airport Blvd, the industrial buildings all appear to be lined with For Sale signs The restaurant that is out there and the Chinese church behind it are doing well. The Raiders practice field has finally lost the "Raiders" sign. Peets Coffee building appears to be the same though it has a lower amoung of cars parked there. The building I used to work in had the entire front redesigned but there doesn't seem to be any occupant.
More noticeable is that the cars passing are not in a hurry. This means that they are only returning fron stores and what-not and not doing to work, The Ferry that goes to San Francisco as a commutter transportation is fullo but I'm not sure why. The last time I was in San Francisco even the restaurants for which the city was famous were being put out of business since people could not afford to eat out.
There was a beer bsr that used to be quite actice and the last time I went by it too was closed.
Gavin Loathsome after supposring legalizing majiuana is not trying to reverse himself and convince parents that pot is bad. Too late, 12 year olds now have all they want. You can get it on-line.

I do not know from Abbott and I don't care.

But on the subject of empty parking lots:
https://www.fedsmith.com/2024/06/25/back-to-the-office-federal-employees-say-no-thanks/

which presents a conundrum- there's the hefty payroll
expense (Federal employees average 30% compensation over
comparable work elsewhere plus very generous benefits) but
the nation is probably better served by Federal employees
doing nothing than returning to their degradation of the
society, economy and culture.

Hard call.

[cyclintom]

Post by AMuzi

Post by cyclintom
The Abbott parking lots remain empty after that single day of being full and the following day when equipment was being removed. Cooking drugs is a 24 hour business and you would expect at least a quarter of the parking lot to be full at all times. Over the weekend I rode throught them twice and they were completely empty except for empty security vehicles.
Also all along the Airport Blvd, the industrial buildings all appear to be lined with For Sale signs The restaurant that is out there and the Chinese church behind it are doing well. The Raiders practice field has finally lost the "Raiders" sign. Peets Coffee building appears to be the same though it has a lower amoung of cars parked there. The building I used to work in had the entire front redesigned but there doesn't seem to be any occupant.
More noticeable is that the cars passing are not in a hurry. This means that they are only returning fron stores and what-not and not doing to work, The Ferry that goes to San Francisco as a commutter transportation is fullo but I'm not sure why. The last time I was in San Francisco even the restaurants for which the city was famous were being put out of business since people could not afford to eat out.
There was a beer bsr that used to be quite actice and the last time I went by it too was closed.
Gavin Loathsome after supposring legalizing majiuana is not trying to reverse himself and convince parents that pot is bad. Too late, 12 year olds now have all they want. You can get it on-line.

I do not know from Abbott and I don't care.
https://www.fedsmith.com/2024/06/25/back-to-the-office-federal-employees-say-no-thanks/
which presents a conundrum- there's the hefty payroll
expense (Federal employees average 30% compensation over
comparable work elsewhere plus very generous benefits) but
the nation is probably better served by Federal employees
doing nothing than returning to their degradation of the
society, economy and culture.
Hard call.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

You do not have lock downs from pharmaceutical companies and it isn't voluntary to come to work. When the drugs are being produced they have to be monitored 24 hours a day and packaged and sent off immediately. Most drugs have a use-by date and they have to be at the Pharmacies ASAP. prescribed drugs are not cheap and the cheapest of mine is $230 for 60 days worth and the other $630. The new drug they are trying to move me into is $2,300 for one month. This comes entirely out of my pocket.

So an empty parking lot means that they are moving elsewhere. Since Gavin Loathsome is making business so difficuolt in California, I expect that they have built a newer facility in Pheonix with its 109 degree days. Working inside is an advantage.

I just for another offer - sans actual payment information from a medical instrument firm in Milpitas. I fit the bill perfectly but do not want to come out of retirement now.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom
The Abbott parking lots remain empty after that single day of being full and the following day when equipment was being removed. Cooking drugs is a 24 hour business and you would expect at least a quarter of the parking lot to be full at all times. Over the weekend I rode throught them twice and they were completely empty except for empty security vehicles.

Abbot in Alameda is alive and well. They don't make drugs there, they
make personal diabetes monitoring equipment, and they still have 98 job
openings listed, none of which are pharmacological, they're all
electronic R&D and business/marketing based

https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31093265/Senior-Design-Product-Development-Engineer

https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31094773/Manager-Market-Analytics-and-Insights

You went there on weekends when people aren't working. Try going back on
a tuesday.

idiot.

Post by cyclintom
Also all along the Airport Blvd, the industrial buildings all appear to be lined with For Sale signs The restaurant that is out there and the Chinese church behind it are doing well. The Raiders practice field has finally lost the "Raiders" sign. Peets Coffee building appears to be the same though it has a lower amoung of cars parked there. The building I used to work in had the entire front redesigned but there doesn't seem to be any occupant.
More noticeable is that the cars passing are not in a hurry. This means that they are only returning fron stores and what-not and not doing to work, The Ferry that goes to San Francisco as a commutter transportation is fullo but I'm not sure why. The last time I was in San Francisco even the restaurants for which the city was famous were being put out of business since people could not afford to eat out.
There was a beer bsr that used to be quite actice and the last time I went by it too was closed.
Gavin Loathsome after supposring legalizing majiuana is not trying to reverse himself and convince parents that pot is bad. Too late, 12 year olds now have all they want. You can get it on-line.

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom
The Abbott parking lots remain empty after that single day of being full and the following day when equipment was being removed. Cooking drugs is a 24 hour business and you would expect at least a quarter of the parking lot to be full at all times. Over the weekend I rode throught them twice and they were completely empty except for empty security vehicles.

Abbot in Alameda is alive and well. They don't make drugs there, they
make personal diabetes monitoring equipment, and they still have 98 job
openings listed, none of which are pharmacological, they're all
electronic R&D and business/marketing based
https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31093265/Senior-Design-Product-Development-Engineer
https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31094773/Manager-Market-Analytics-and-Insights
You went there on weekends when people aren't working. Try going back on
a tuesday.
idiot.

Post by cyclintom
Also all along the Airport Blvd, the industrial buildings all appear to be lined with For Sale signs The restaurant that is out there and the Chinese church behind it are doing well. The Raiders practice field has finally lost the "Raiders" sign. Peets Coffee building appears to be the same though it has a lower amoung of cars parked there. The building I used to work in had the entire front redesigned but there doesn't seem to be any occupant.
More noticeable is that the cars passing are not in a hurry. This means that they are only returning fron stores and what-not and not doing to work, The Ferry that goes to San Francisco as a commutter transportation is fullo but I'm not sure why. The last time I was in San Francisco even the restaurants for which the city was famous were being put out of business since people could not afford to eat out.
There was a beer bsr that used to be quite actice and the last time I went by it too was closed.
Gavin Loathsome after supposring legalizing majiuana is not trying to reverse himself and convince parents that pot is bad. Too late, 12 year olds now have all they want. You can get it on-line.

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Add xx to reply

Abott has three buildings in Alameda, perhaps 4. Flunky, apparently believes that Insulin isn't a very large part of diebetis car. And he offered no reason why the parking lots should be empty for at least two weeks. aybe diabetis was put on hold?

[Jeff Liebermann]

Abott has three buildings in Alameda...

Which one's are you claiming are empty:
2321 N Loop Rd, Alameda, CA 94502
or
Harbor Bay Pkwy, Alameda, CA 94502

I couldn't find a 3rd location. Are you talking about the Fairfield
location (which is not yet closed):
"Abbott Laboratories in Fairfield to close"
<https://www.thereporter.com/2024/04/12/abbott-laboratories-in-fairfield-to-close/>

Google maps claims that the Harbor Bay Parkway address "might" be
closed and is asking for confirmation on their Google maps page:
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/jvVNWN8N8ymNhHWr7>

[cyclintom]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Abott has three buildings in Alameda...

2321 N Loop Rd, Alameda, CA 94502
or
Harbor Bay Pkwy, Alameda, CA 94502
I couldn't find a 3rd location. Are you talking about the Fairfield
"Abbott Laboratories in Fairfield to close"
<https://www.thereporter.com/2024/04/12/abbott-laboratories-in-fairfield-to-close/>
Google maps claims that the Harbor Bay Parkway address "might" be
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/jvVNWN8N8ymNhHWr7>
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

There are TWO buildings on Harbor Bay Parkway. Since they are the same company why woold they need more than one mailing address, The building on North Loop may also be more than one building since I never rode back into the lot. But you're not even smart enough to know that only one of the buildings needs a mailing address. Liebermann, the very fact that you looked that up shows what a stupid moron you are/

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Abott has three buildings in Alameda...

2321 N Loop Rd, Alameda, CA 94502
or
Harbor Bay Pkwy, Alameda, CA 94502
I couldn't find a 3rd location. Are you talking about the Fairfield
"Abbott Laboratories in Fairfield to close"
<https://www.thereporter.com/2024/04/12/abbott-laboratories-in-fairfield-to-close/>
Google maps claims that the Harbor Bay Parkway address "might" be
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/isPuo7a3gE4r3FKd6>

There are TWO buildings on Harbor Bay Parkway.

Wrong. They are 1800 ft apart, as the crow flies or 0.4 miles apart
by car.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/h2rnmqAZBgFVSSoU8>
Building that far apart usually have different postal delivery
addresses.

Post by cyclintom
Since they are the same company why woold they need more than one mailing address, The building on North Loop may also be more than one building since I never rode back into the lot. But you're not even smart enough to know that only one of the buildings needs a mailing address. Liebermann, the very fact that you looked that up shows what a stupid moron you are/

Look at the above Google map link. You don't know the address, don't
know how to find the address, and continue to be vague about which
building(s) had empty parking lots. You also ignored my questions
about which of the two addresses had the empty parking lot and whether
you were referring to the Fairfield location, which you should be able
to answer without a personal visit or Google search. In other words,
you didn't even bother to read what I wrote, much less attempt a
useful reply. This seems to be a repeat performance of your recent
"deep mud" replies, where you do your best to prevent anyone from
producing a rational explanation, unless it exactly coincides with
your imaginative claims.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by cyclintom

Abott has three buildings in Alameda...

2321 N Loop Rd, Alameda, CA 94502 or Harbor Bay Pkwy, Alameda, CA
94502
I couldn't find a 3rd location. Are you talking about the Fairfield
"Abbott Laboratories in Fairfield to close"
<https://www.thereporter.com/2024/04/12/abbott-laboratories-in-

fairfield-to-close/>

Post by cyclintom

Google maps claims that the Harbor Bay Parkway address "might" be
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/isPuo7a3gE4r3FKd6>

There are TWO buildings on Harbor Bay Parkway.

Wrong. They are 1800 ft apart, as the crow flies or 0.4 miles apart by
car.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/h2rnmqAZBgFVSSoU8>
Building that far apart usually have different postal delivery
addresses.

Post by cyclintom
Since they are the same company why woold they need more than one
mailing address, The building on North Loop may also be more than one
building since I never rode back into the lot. But you're not even smart
enough to know that only one of the buildings needs a mailing address.
Liebermann, the very fact that you looked that up shows what a stupid
moron you are/

Look at the above Google map link. You don't know the address, don't
know how to find the address, and continue to be vague about which
building(s) had empty parking lots. You also ignored my questions about
which of the two addresses had the empty parking lot and whether you
were referring to the Fairfield location, which you should be able to
answer without a personal visit or Google search. In other words, you
didn't even bother to read what I wrote, much less attempt a useful
reply. This seems to be a repeat performance of your recent "deep mud"
replies, where you do your best to prevent anyone from producing a
rational explanation, unless it exactly coincides with your imaginative
claims.

I know that you cannot stop yourself from talking about things that you
don't know about but there are TWO buildings that belong to Abbott on
Airport. I just rode them three hours ago and double checked to make sure
I wasn't mistaken. Both 2390 and 2901 belong to Abbott and have their
names out in front and there is a third on Southloop Dr. There may be
another building there as well but I didn't look closely.

The question really is why can't you stop yourself from simply lying about
anything and everything where you've never been and know nothing about?
Exactly what is wrong in your mind that you HAVE to prove me wrong about
anything and everything you know absolutely nothing about.

Do you believe that you're somehow going to prove to me that you're not
one of life's failures? The fact that I'm well to do and you're on welfare
disproves that without another word. Sorry Liebermann but you're stupid.

Maybe you can get Flunky to play kissy - sucky with you. He still hasn't
convinced me that he isn't a queer since he talks just like one.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 20:26:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom

Abott has three buildings in Alameda...

2321 N Loop Rd, Alameda, CA 94502 or Harbor Bay Pkwy, Alameda, CA
94502
I couldn't find a 3rd location. Are you talking about the Fairfield
"Abbott Laboratories in Fairfield to close"
<https://www.thereporter.com/2024/04/12/abbott-laboratories-in-

fairfield-to-close/>

Post by cyclintom

Google maps claims that the Harbor Bay Parkway address "might" be
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/isPuo7a3gE4r3FKd6>

There are TWO buildings on Harbor Bay Parkway.

Wrong. They are 1800 ft apart, as the crow flies or 0.4 miles apart by
car.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/h2rnmqAZBgFVSSoU8>
Building that far apart usually have different postal delivery
addresses.

Post by cyclintom
Since they are the same company why woold they need more than one
mailing address, The building on North Loop may also be more than one
building since I never rode back into the lot. But you're not even smart
enough to know that only one of the buildings needs a mailing address.
Liebermann, the very fact that you looked that up shows what a stupid
moron you are/

Look at the above Google map link. You don't know the address, don't
know how to find the address, and continue to be vague about which
building(s) had empty parking lots. You also ignored my questions about
which of the two addresses had the empty parking lot and whether you
were referring to the Fairfield location, which you should be able to
answer without a personal visit or Google search. In other words, you
didn't even bother to read what I wrote, much less attempt a useful
reply. This seems to be a repeat performance of your recent "deep mud"
replies, where you do your best to prevent anyone from producing a
rational explanation, unless it exactly coincides with your imaginative
claims.

I know that you cannot stop yourself from talking about things that you
don't know about but there are TWO buildings that belong to Abbott on
Airport. I just rode them three hours ago and double checked to make sure
I wasn't mistaken. Both 2390 and 2901 belong to Abbott and have their
names out in front and there is a third on Southloop Dr. There may be
another building there as well but I didn't look closely.

Tom. 2390 and 2901 on what road? There is an Airport Dr in Alameda,
but it goes around the OAK airport parking lots.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/JZMiisPro2QcxKa76>
Somehow, you fail to understand that an "address" consists of an
address number, a full road name and a zip code. Anyway, it doesn't
matter. There are no buildings with either 2390 or 2901 associated
with any building occupied by Abbott:
<https://www.abbott.com/contact.html>
You invented those address numbers for the occasion.

You didn't ride anywhere 3 hours before you posted your message on
09/14/2024 at 1:26PM. Your previous message before leaving your house
was sent at 12:42PM, a difference of only 44 minutes. You could
possibly ride to some unspecified Abbott building and back home in 44
minutes. That would be a 10 mile round trip distance, in 44 minutes,
at a speed of 22 mph, not counting traffic signals, furiously writing
down the addresses I requested, locking up the bicycle and immediately
hopping onto the computer to deliver your message. Assuming the 3 hrs
was an exaggerated, it's possible, but I doubt it.

What you've done was lie about literally everything concerning Abbott.
You didn't see an empty parking lot because it was a weekend. There's
also nothing found in the news or history about layoffs at Abbott in
Alameda. I've asked you 4 times for the address of the building with
the empty parking lot and all you've provided are insults, topic
changes, evasions, and now contrived numbers. You even invented an
imaginary building on "Southloop Dr". There is an Alameda Alliance
for Health, but it's at 1240 South Loop Rd, not drive. There's
nothing with Abbott in the name on South Loop Rd.

I'm rather tired of your false information and lies. I suspect that
what you really want is not to be recognized as some kind of expert,
but simply to waste my time. Maybe it makes you feel warm and fuzzy
knowing that I took you seriously enough to fact check your garbage.
That's over and I want no part of that. As far as I'm concerned, Tom
Kunich does not exist. He can say whatever he pleases, he can lie
however he wants, he can call me names and he can invent things to
accuse me of doing. What changes now is that I will no longer respond
to any of these. I will pretend that Tom doesn't exist exactly in the
same manner that he hallucinates his amazing facts. I don't know how
much time that will save me, but I suspect it will be substantial. I
probably can't resist reading RBT and posting occasional fact checks,
but no debates or discussions with you.

Post by Jeff Liebermann
The question really is why can't you stop yourself from simply lying about
anything and everything where you've never been and know nothing about?
Exactly what is wrong in your mind that you HAVE to prove me wrong about
anything and everything you know absolutely nothing about.
Do you believe that you're somehow going to prove to me that you're not
one of life's failures? The fact that I'm well to do and you're on welfare
disproves that without another word. Sorry Liebermann but you're stupid.
Maybe you can get Flunky to play kissy - sucky with you. He still hasn't
convinced me that he isn't a queer since he talks just like one.

In the past, I've ended my comments to Tom with "May you live in the
hell of your own creation". That's now no longer appropriate.
Instead, it shall be "May you live long and suffer in the hell of your
own creation".

[cyclintom]

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 20:26:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom

Abott has three buildings in Alameda...

2321 N Loop Rd, Alameda, CA 94502 or Harbor Bay Pkwy, Alameda, CA
94502
I couldn't find a 3rd location. Are you talking about the Fairfield
"Abbott Laboratories in Fairfield to close"
<https://www.thereporter.com/2024/04/12/abbott-laboratories-in-

fairfield-to-close/>

Post by cyclintom

Google maps claims that the Harbor Bay Parkway address "might" be
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/isPuo7a3gE4r3FKd6>

There are TWO buildings on Harbor Bay Parkway.

Wrong. They are 1800 ft apart, as the crow flies or 0.4 miles apart by
car.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/h2rnmqAZBgFVSSoU8>
Building that far apart usually have different postal delivery
addresses.

Post by cyclintom
Since they are the same company why woold they need more than one
mailing address, The building on North Loop may also be more than one
building since I never rode back into the lot. But you're not even smart
enough to know that only one of the buildings needs a mailing address.
Liebermann, the very fact that you looked that up shows what a stupid
moron you are/

Look at the above Google map link. You don't know the address, don't
know how to find the address, and continue to be vague about which
building(s) had empty parking lots. You also ignored my questions about
which of the two addresses had the empty parking lot and whether you
were referring to the Fairfield location, which you should be able to
answer without a personal visit or Google search. In other words, you
didn't even bother to read what I wrote, much less attempt a useful
reply. This seems to be a repeat performance of your recent "deep mud"
replies, where you do your best to prevent anyone from producing a
rational explanation, unless it exactly coincides with your imaginative
claims.

I know that you cannot stop yourself from talking about things that you
don't know about but there are TWO buildings that belong to Abbott on
Airport. I just rode them three hours ago and double checked to make sure
I wasn't mistaken. Both 2390 and 2901 belong to Abbott and have their
names out in front and there is a third on Southloop Dr. There may be
another building there as well but I didn't look closely.

Tom. 2390 and 2901 on what road? There is an Airport Dr in Alameda,
but it goes around the OAK airport parking lots.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/JZMiisPro2QcxKa76>
Somehow, you fail to understand that an "address" consists of an
address number, a full road name and a zip code. Anyway, it doesn't
matter. There are no buildings with either 2390 or 2901 associated
<https://www.abbott.com/contact.html>
You invented those address numbers for the occasion.
You didn't ride anywhere 3 hours before you posted your message on
09/14/2024 at 1:26PM. Your previous message before leaving your house
was sent at 12:42PM, a difference of only 44 minutes. You could
possibly ride to some unspecified Abbott building and back home in 44
minutes. That would be a 10 mile round trip distance, in 44 minutes,
at a speed of 22 mph, not counting traffic signals, furiously writing
down the addresses I requested, locking up the bicycle and immediately
hopping onto the computer to deliver your message. Assuming the 3 hrs
was an exaggerated, it's possible, but I doubt it.
What you've done was lie about literally everything concerning Abbott.
You didn't see an empty parking lot because it was a weekend. There's
also nothing found in the news or history about layoffs at Abbott in
Alameda. I've asked you 4 times for the address of the building with
the empty parking lot and all you've provided are insults, topic
changes, evasions, and now contrived numbers. You even invented an
imaginary building on "Southloop Dr". There is an Alameda Alliance
for Health, but it's at 1240 South Loop Rd, not drive. There's
nothing with Abbott in the name on South Loop Rd.
I'm rather tired of your false information and lies. I suspect that
what you really want is not to be recognized as some kind of expert,
but simply to waste my time. Maybe it makes you feel warm and fuzzy
knowing that I took you seriously enough to fact check your garbage.
That's over and I want no part of that. As far as I'm concerned, Tom
Kunich does not exist. He can say whatever he pleases, he can lie
however he wants, he can call me names and he can invent things to
accuse me of doing. What changes now is that I will no longer respond
to any of these. I will pretend that Tom doesn't exist exactly in the
same manner that he hallucinates his amazing facts. I don't know how
much time that will save me, but I suspect it will be substantial. I
probably can't resist reading RBT and posting occasional fact checks,
but no debates or discussions with you.

Post by Jeff Liebermann
The question really is why can't you stop yourself from simply lying about
anything and everything where you've never been and know nothing about?
Exactly what is wrong in your mind that you HAVE to prove me wrong about
anything and everything you know absolutely nothing about.
Do you believe that you're somehow going to prove to me that you're not
one of life's failures? The fact that I'm well to do and you're on welfare
disproves that without another word. Sorry Liebermann but you're stupid.
Maybe you can get Flunky to play kissy - sucky with you. He still hasn't
convinced me that he isn't a queer since he talks just like one.

In the past, I've ended my comments to Tom with "May you live in the
hell of your own creation". That's now no longer appropriate.
Instead, it shall be "May you live long and suffer in the hell of your
own creation".
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Liebermann, tell everyone here when you were in this AREA let alone riding a bike throung the parking lot. Just so everyone is clear about you and Flunky and the accuracy of your long distance knowledge.

[cyclintom]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 20:26:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom

Abott has three buildings in Alameda...

2321 N Loop Rd, Alameda, CA 94502 or Harbor Bay Pkwy, Alameda, CA
94502
I couldn't find a 3rd location. Are you talking about the Fairfield
"Abbott Laboratories in Fairfield to close"
<https://www.thereporter.com/2024/04/12/abbott-laboratories-in-

fairfield-to-close/>

Post by cyclintom

Google maps claims that the Harbor Bay Parkway address "might" be
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/isPuo7a3gE4r3FKd6>

There are TWO buildings on Harbor Bay Parkway.

Wrong. They are 1800 ft apart, as the crow flies or 0.4 miles apart by
car.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/h2rnmqAZBgFVSSoU8>
Building that far apart usually have different postal delivery
addresses.

Post by cyclintom
Since they are the same company why woold they need more than one
mailing address, The building on North Loop may also be more than one
building since I never rode back into the lot. But you're not even smart
enough to know that only one of the buildings needs a mailing address.
Liebermann, the very fact that you looked that up shows what a stupid
moron you are/

Look at the above Google map link. You don't know the address, don't
know how to find the address, and continue to be vague about which
building(s) had empty parking lots. You also ignored my questions about
which of the two addresses had the empty parking lot and whether you
were referring to the Fairfield location, which you should be able to
answer without a personal visit or Google search. In other words, you
didn't even bother to read what I wrote, much less attempt a useful
reply. This seems to be a repeat performance of your recent "deep mud"
replies, where you do your best to prevent anyone from producing a
rational explanation, unless it exactly coincides with your imaginative
claims.

I know that you cannot stop yourself from talking about things that you
don't know about but there are TWO buildings that belong to Abbott on
Airport. I just rode them three hours ago and double checked to make sure
I wasn't mistaken. Both 2390 and 2901 belong to Abbott and have their
names out in front and there is a third on Southloop Dr. There may be
another building there as well but I didn't look closely.

Tom. 2390 and 2901 on what road? There is an Airport Dr in Alameda,
but it goes around the OAK airport parking lots.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/JZMiisPro2QcxKa76>
Somehow, you fail to understand that an "address" consists of an
address number, a full road name and a zip code. Anyway, it doesn't
matter. There are no buildings with either 2390 or 2901 associated
<https://www.abbott.com/contact.html>
You invented those address numbers for the occasion.
You didn't ride anywhere 3 hours before you posted your message on
09/14/2024 at 1:26PM. Your previous message before leaving your house
was sent at 12:42PM, a difference of only 44 minutes. You could
possibly ride to some unspecified Abbott building and back home in 44
minutes. That would be a 10 mile round trip distance, in 44 minutes,
at a speed of 22 mph, not counting traffic signals, furiously writing
down the addresses I requested, locking up the bicycle and immediately
hopping onto the computer to deliver your message. Assuming the 3 hrs
was an exaggerated, it's possible, but I doubt it.
What you've done was lie about literally everything concerning Abbott.
You didn't see an empty parking lot because it was a weekend. There's
also nothing found in the news or history about layoffs at Abbott in
Alameda. I've asked you 4 times for the address of the building with
the empty parking lot and all you've provided are insults, topic
changes, evasions, and now contrived numbers. You even invented an
imaginary building on "Southloop Dr". There is an Alameda Alliance
for Health, but it's at 1240 South Loop Rd, not drive. There's
nothing with Abbott in the name on South Loop Rd.
I'm rather tired of your false information and lies. I suspect that
what you really want is not to be recognized as some kind of expert,
but simply to waste my time. Maybe it makes you feel warm and fuzzy
knowing that I took you seriously enough to fact check your garbage.
That's over and I want no part of that. As far as I'm concerned, Tom
Kunich does not exist. He can say whatever he pleases, he can lie
however he wants, he can call me names and he can invent things to
accuse me of doing. What changes now is that I will no longer respond
to any of these. I will pretend that Tom doesn't exist exactly in the
same manner that he hallucinates his amazing facts. I don't know how
much time that will save me, but I suspect it will be substantial. I
probably can't resist reading RBT and posting occasional fact checks,
but no debates or discussions with you.

Post by Jeff Liebermann
The question really is why can't you stop yourself from simply lying about
anything and everything where you've never been and know nothing about?
Exactly what is wrong in your mind that you HAVE to prove me wrong about
anything and everything you know absolutely nothing about.
Do you believe that you're somehow going to prove to me that you're not
one of life's failures? The fact that I'm well to do and you're on welfare
disproves that without another word. Sorry Liebermann but you're stupid.
Maybe you can get Flunky to play kissy - sucky with you. He still hasn't
convinced me that he isn't a queer since he talks just like one.

In the past, I've ended my comments to Tom with "May you live in the
hell of your own creation". That's now no longer appropriate.
Instead, it shall be "May you live long and suffer in the hell of your
own creation".
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Liebermann, tell everyone here when you were in this AREA let alone riding a bike throung the parking lot. Just so everyone is clear about you and Flunky and the accuracy of your long distance knowledge.

I made a point of investigating Abbott buildings and it appears that they have SIX buildings and possibly more.

There are 3 buildings with addresses on Harbor Bay Parkway, there is also an adjacent building with a Northloop Road address and a building directly behind it that doesn't have a name on it but shares a common parking lot. There is also a rather large building on Southloop Rd. There may be multiple buildings there but I didn't feel like riding way back clear to the breakwater.

Question: why has Liebermann said anything at all about Abbott? Of what cobncern was it of his? Is this anything like the 12 years that he finally took to discover that I was correct about the place I was riding my bike 2 or 3 times a week? What would cause him to speculate that there was no mud on the road in areas of Cull Canyon that are covered with trees? Exactly what wild you suppose is going on in his head that would cause him to call my yacht club and solicite personal information? With a long resume complete with recommendatioins from college professors why wouold he deny that I worked as an EE at some of the most advanced technology of the time?

Flunky cries that I changed jobs often because nobodey else wants him so he wants to make changing jobs a negative. Frank wants to tell us that the bicycle stopped evolving in 1980.

These people have filled this group with their useless trash and limited the use it was designed for. Frank spent his time professing the superiority of communism because janitors were paid better than he was. Of course there was a reason for that.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom
Question: why has Liebermann said anything at all about Abbott? Of what cobncern was it of his?

Tom, YOU were the one who brought up the subject of Abbott. You made the
nonsense claim that because you didn't see cars one day, the company is
leaving California and/or failing. But you provided no evidence of that,
other than your bike ride.

As I seem to have to remind certain people weekly, this is a
_discussion_ group. If you don't think people should discuss something,
you should not post about it.

As for Jeff's motivation, he's said repeatedly that he posts to
demonstrate and sometimes correct your many mistakes. If you don't want
him to do that, consider stopping your mistakes. Or stop posting about them.

[cyclintom]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Question: why has Liebermann said anything at all about Abbott? Of what cobncern was it of his?

Tom, YOU were the one who brought up the subject of Abbott. You made the
nonsense claim that because you didn't see cars one day, the company is
leaving California and/or failing. But you provided no evidence of that,
other than your bike ride.
As I seem to have to remind certain people weekly, this is a
_discussion_ group. If you don't think people should discuss something,
you should not post about it.
As for Jeff's motivation, he's said repeatedly that he posts to
demonstrate and sometimes correct your many mistakes. If you don't want
him to do that, consider stopping your mistakes. Or stop posting about them.
--
- Frank Krygowski

I wonder why it is that you can't get anything correct? The question is if you are having severe memory problems or if you are simply stupid.

I atated that the Abbott parking lots which are directly across the bike trail. were empty and for seveveral weeks running. Flunky then piped in with his usuak stupid comments that they are looking for engineers because rather than make medicine there they make diabetis bkoos sugar detectors there. But of course he with the same long distance ignorance as Liebermann doesn't know that THOSE detectors are made at the Southloop address building and it is stated so directly on their sign. Abbott is a pharmaceutical company but somehow Flunky doesn't know that. He thinks that empty parking lots at four of their five or six buildings is normal. And then one day when the parking lot is full followed by days when moving vans are present and clearing out production equipment doesn't mean a thing.

Flunky ia in such need of attention that he even is posting to me on Facebook. Maybe you can do the same thing.

[Zen Cycle]

On 10/1/2024 10:55 AM, cyclintom proved yet again that I live rent free

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Question: why has Liebermann said anything at all about Abbott? Of what cobncern was it of his?

Tom, YOU were the one who brought up the subject of Abbott. You made the
nonsense claim that because you didn't see cars one day, the company is
leaving California and/or failing. But you provided no evidence of that,
other than your bike ride.
As I seem to have to remind certain people weekly, this is a
_discussion_ group. If you don't think people should discuss something,
you should not post about it.
As for Jeff's motivation, he's said repeatedly that he posts to
demonstrate and sometimes correct your many mistakes. If you don't want
him to do that, consider stopping your mistakes. Or stop posting about them.
--
- Frank Krygowski

I wonder why it is that you can't get anything correct? The question is if you are having severe memory problems or if you are simply stupid.
I atated that the Abbott parking lots which are directly across the bike trail. were empty and for seveveral weeks running. Flunky then piped in with his usuak stupid comments that they are looking for engineers because rather than make medicine there they make diabetis bkoos sugar detectors there. But of course he with the same long distance ignorance as Liebermann doesn't know that THOSE detectors are made at the Southloop address building and it is stated so directly on their sign. Abbott is a pharmaceutical company but somehow Flunky doesn't know that. He thinks that empty parking lots at four of their five or six buildings is normal. And then one day when the parking lot is full followed by days when moving vans are present and clearing out production equipment doesn't mean a thing.
Flunky ia in such need of attention that he even is posting to me on Facebook. Maybe you can do the same thing.

Funny, it was tommy who said he wasn't going to post anything more about
me, yet I clearly have such a permanent spot in his mind that he keeps
on doing it.....

It must hard to know you have no control over the power others have over
you.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/1/2024 10:55 AM, cyclintom proved yet again that I live rent free

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Question: why has Liebermann said anything at all about Abbott? Of
what cobncern was it of his?

Tom, YOU were the one who brought up the subject of Abbott. You made the
nonsense claim that because you didn't see cars one day, the company is
leaving California and/or failing. But you provided no evidence of that,
other than your bike ride.
As I seem to have to remind certain people weekly, this is a
_discussion_ group. If you don't think people should discuss something,
you should not post about it.
As for Jeff's motivation, he's said repeatedly that he posts to
demonstrate and sometimes correct your many mistakes. If you don't want
him to do that, consider stopping your mistakes. Or stop posting about them.
--
- Frank Krygowski

I wonder why it is that you can't get anything correct? The question
is if you are having severe memory problems or if you are simply stupid.
I atated that the Abbott parking lots which are directly across the
bike trail. were empty and for seveveral weeks running. Flunky then
piped in with his usuak stupid comments that they are looking for
engineers because rather than make medicine there they make diabetis
bkoos sugar detectors there. But of course he with the same long
distance ignorance as Liebermann doesn't know that THOSE detectors are
made at the Southloop address building and it is stated so directly on
their sign. Abbott is a pharmaceutical company but somehow Flunky
doesn't know that. He thinks that empty parking lots at four of their
five or six buildings is normal. And then one day when the parking lot
is full followed by days when moving vans are present and clearing out
production equipment doesn't mean a thing.
Flunky ia in such need of attention that he even is posting to me on
Facebook. Maybe you can do the same thing.

Funny, it was tommy who said he wasn't going to post anything more about
me, yet I clearly have such a permanent spot in his mind that he keeps
on doing it.....
It must hard to know you have no control over the power others have over
you.

And notice that he's digging back two weeks to find posts he can rant
about. He's in a sad state.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/1/2024 10:55 AM, cyclintom proved yet again that I live rent free

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Question: why has Liebermann said anything at all about Abbott? Of
what cobncern was it of his?

Tom, YOU were the one who brought up the subject of Abbott. You made
the nonsense claim that because you didn't see cars one day, the
company is leaving California and/or failing. But you provided no
evidence of that,
other than your bike ride.
As I seem to have to remind certain people weekly, this is a
_discussion_ group. If you don't think people should discuss
something, you should not post about it.
As for Jeff's motivation, he's said repeatedly that he posts to
demonstrate and sometimes correct your many mistakes. If you don't
want him to do that, consider stopping your mistakes. Or stop posting
about them.
--
- Frank Krygowski

I wonder why it is that you can't get anything correct? The question
is if you are having severe memory problems or if you are simply stupid.
I atated that the Abbott parking lots which are directly across the
bike trail. were empty and for seveveral weeks running. Flunky then
piped in with his usuak stupid comments that they are looking for
engineers because rather than make medicine there they make diabetis
bkoos sugar detectors there. But of course he with the same long
distance ignorance as Liebermann doesn't know that THOSE detectors are
made at the Southloop address building and it is stated so directly on
their sign. Abbott is a pharmaceutical company but somehow Flunky
doesn't know that. He thinks that empty parking lots at four of their
five or six buildings is normal. And then one day when the parking lot
is full followed by days when moving vans are present and clearing out
production equipment doesn't mean a thing.
Flunky ia in such need of attention that he even is posting to me on
Facebook. Maybe you can do the same thing.

Funny, it was tommy who said he wasn't going to post anything more
about me, yet I clearly have such a permanent spot in his mind that he
keeps on doing it.....
It must hard to know you have no control over the power others have
over you.

And notice that he's digging back two weeks to find posts he can rant
about. He's in a sad state.

And yet, you;'ve gone back years on some of my postings. You were a
failure as a plant engineer maybe because you were only expected to
maintain plant equipment. Perhaps if they were largely rebuilding the
plant and you had to actually use your imagination you would have been a
great deal more successful. Those who can, do and those who can't, teach.

There is some serious intellectual property there and this world would
STILL be in the dark ages if people didn't actually do things with their
education. rather than considering everything snd attack on you perhaps
you should consider what is being said.

[AMuzi]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Question: why has Liebermann said anything at all about Abbott? Of what cobncern was it of his?

Tom, YOU were the one who brought up the subject of Abbott. You made the
nonsense claim that because you didn't see cars one day, the company is
leaving California and/or failing. But you provided no evidence of that,
other than your bike ride.
As I seem to have to remind certain people weekly, this is a
_discussion_ group. If you don't think people should discuss something,
you should not post about it.
As for Jeff's motivation, he's said repeatedly that he posts to
demonstrate and sometimes correct your many mistakes. If you don't want
him to do that, consider stopping your mistakes. Or stop posting about them.
--
- Frank Krygowski

I wonder why it is that you can't get anything correct? The question is if you are having severe memory problems or if you are simply stupid.
I atated that the Abbott parking lots which are directly across the bike trail. were empty and for seveveral weeks running. Flunky then piped in with his usuak stupid comments that they are looking for engineers because rather than make medicine there they make diabetis bkoos sugar detectors there. But of course he with the same long distance ignorance as Liebermann doesn't know that THOSE detectors are made at the Southloop address building and it is stated so directly on their sign. Abbott is a pharmaceutical company but somehow Flunky doesn't know that. He thinks that empty parking lots at four of their five or six buildings is normal. And then one day when the parking lot is full followed by days when moving vans are present and clearing out production equipment doesn't mean a thing.
Flunky ia in such need of attention that he even is posting to me on Facebook. Maybe you can do the same thing.

Some of Abbott Labs US facilities here:
https://www.abbott.com/contact.html

plus foreign sites:
https://www.abbott.com/global-locations-contacts.html

which implies that the staff parking count at one location
may have no meaning for the firm overall.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Question: why has Liebermann said anything at all about Abbott? Of
what cobncern was it of his?

Tom, YOU were the one who brought up the subject of Abbott. You made the
nonsense claim that because you didn't see cars one day, the company is
leaving California and/or failing. But you provided no evidence of that,
other than your bike ride.
As I seem to have to remind certain people weekly, this is a
_discussion_ group. If you don't think people should discuss something,
you should not post about it.
As for Jeff's motivation, he's said repeatedly that he posts to
demonstrate and sometimes correct your many mistakes. If you don't want
him to do that, consider stopping your mistakes. Or stop posting about them.
--
- Frank Krygowski

I wonder why it is that you can't get anything correct? The question
is if you are having severe memory problems or if you are simply stupid.
I atated that the Abbott parking lots which are directly across the
bike trail. were empty and for seveveral weeks running. Flunky then
piped in with his usuak stupid comments that they are looking for
engineers because rather than make medicine there they make diabetis
bkoos sugar detectors there. But of course he with the same long
distance ignorance as Liebermann doesn't know that THOSE detectors are
made at the Southloop address building and it is stated so directly on
their sign. Abbott is a pharmaceutical company but somehow Flunky
doesn't know that. He thinks that empty parking lots at four of their
five or six buildings is normal. And then one day when the parking lot
is full followed by days when moving vans are present and clearing out
production equipment doesn't mean a thing.
Flunky ia in such need of attention that he even is posting to me on
Facebook. Maybe you can do the same thing.

https://www.abbott.com/contact.html
https://www.abbott.com/global-locations-contacts.html
which implies that the staff parking count at one location may have no
meaning for the firm overall.

The gist of the exchange - which tommy prefers to obfuscate - is his
claim that Abbott is leaving California, giving the added misinformation
that they were manufacturing insulin at that facility.

- The job opening list for California facilities - particularly in
Alameda - is rather robust. A company planning to shut down a facility
doesn't list over 100 job openings at that facility. Couple that with
the financial statements showing Abbot has nearly 400 straight quarters
issuing dividends, the idea that the company is failing or moving due to
California business climate falls completely flat.

- Abbot doesn't make insulin. They never have. Their complete drug list
is here https://www.medicines.abbott/

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Question: why has Liebermann said anything at all about Abbott? Of
what cobncern was it of his?

Tom, YOU were the one who brought up the subject of Abbott. You made
the nonsense claim that because you didn't see cars one day, the
company is leaving California and/or failing. But you provided no
evidence of that, other than your bike ride.
As I seem to have to remind certain people weekly, this is a
_discussion_ group. If you don't think people should discuss
something,
you should not post about it.
As for Jeff's motivation, he's said repeatedly that he posts to
demonstrate and sometimes correct your many mistakes. If you don't
want him to do that, consider stopping your mistakes. Or stop posting
about them.
--
- Frank Krygowski

I wonder why it is that you can't get anything correct? The question is
if you are having severe memory problems or if you are simply stupid.
I atated that the Abbott parking lots which are directly across the
bike trail. were empty and for seveveral weeks running. Flunky then
piped in with his usuak stupid comments that they are looking for
engineers because rather than make medicine there they make diabetis
bkoos sugar detectors there. But of course he with the same long
distance ignorance as Liebermann doesn't know that THOSE detectors are
made at the Southloop address building and it is stated so directly on
their sign. Abbott is a pharmaceutical company but somehow Flunky
doesn't know that. He thinks that empty parking lots at four of their
five or six buildings is normal. And then one day when the parking lot
is full followed by days when moving vans are present and clearing out
production equipment doesn't mean a thing.
Flunky ia in such need of attention that he even is posting to me on
Facebook. Maybe you can do the same thing.

https://www.abbott.com/contact.html
https://www.abbott.com/global-locations-contacts.html
which implies that the staff parking count at one location may have no
meaning for the firm overall.

The problem is this: the MAIN TWO buildings are the parking lots that I
ride though. The advertisements for jobs are not on Airport Blvd but on
Southloop Rd where the much smaller Abbott facility is located.

I neither said that Abbott is in financial trouble nor implied such. I
wondered if they are leaving their previously fully manned locations that
worked 24/7 like ALL drug manufacturers were moving out of state. We EVEN
had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I USE Abbott
drugs to prevent seizures.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate when
Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero? And what in the hell does Flunky
know about California business from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe
that he can read Gavin Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann
does?

[AMuzi]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Question: why has Liebermann said anything at all about Abbott? Of
what cobncern was it of his?

Tom, YOU were the one who brought up the subject of Abbott. You made
the nonsense claim that because you didn't see cars one day, the
company is leaving California and/or failing. But you provided no
evidence of that, other than your bike ride.
As I seem to have to remind certain people weekly, this is a
_discussion_ group. If you don't think people should discuss something,
you should not post about it.
As for Jeff's motivation, he's said repeatedly that he posts to
demonstrate and sometimes correct your many mistakes. If you don't
want him to do that, consider stopping your mistakes. Or stop posting
about them.
--
- Frank Krygowski

I wonder why it is that you can't get anything correct? The question is
if you are having severe memory problems or if you are simply stupid.
I atated that the Abbott parking lots which are directly across the
bike trail. were empty and for seveveral weeks running. Flunky then
piped in with his usuak stupid comments that they are looking for
engineers because rather than make medicine there they make diabetis
bkoos sugar detectors there. But of course he with the same long
distance ignorance as Liebermann doesn't know that THOSE detectors are
made at the Southloop address building and it is stated so directly on
their sign. Abbott is a pharmaceutical company but somehow Flunky
doesn't know that. He thinks that empty parking lots at four of their
five or six buildings is normal. And then one day when the parking lot
is full followed by days when moving vans are present and clearing out
production equipment doesn't mean a thing.
Flunky ia in such need of attention that he even is posting to me on
Facebook. Maybe you can do the same thing.

https://www.abbott.com/contact.html
https://www.abbott.com/global-locations-contacts.html
which implies that the staff parking count at one location may have no
meaning for the firm overall.

The problem is this: the MAIN TWO buildings are the parking lots that I
ride though. The advertisements for jobs are not on Airport Blvd but on
Southloop Rd where the much smaller Abbott facility is located.
I neither said that Abbott is in financial trouble nor implied such. I
wondered if they are leaving their previously fully manned locations that
worked 24/7 like ALL drug manufacturers were moving out of state. We EVEN
had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I USE Abbott
drugs to prevent seizures.
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate when
Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero? And what in the hell does Flunky
know about California business from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe
that he can read Gavin Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann
does?

I don't know.

But it may well be that the Southloop Road facility is
merely where their regional HR Department is located.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
Question: why has Liebermann said anything at all about Abbott? Of
what cobncern was it of his?

Tom, YOU were the one who brought up the subject of Abbott. You made
the nonsense claim that because you didn't see cars one day, the
company is leaving California and/or failing. But you provided no
evidence of that, other than your bike ride.
As I seem to have to remind certain people weekly, this is a
_discussion_ group. If you don't think people should discuss something,
you should not post about it.
As for Jeff's motivation, he's said repeatedly that he posts to
demonstrate and sometimes correct your many mistakes. If you don't
want him to do that, consider stopping your mistakes. Or stop posting
about them.
--
- Frank Krygowski

I wonder why it is that you can't get anything correct? The question is
if you are having severe memory problems or if you are simply stupid.
I atated that the Abbott parking lots which are directly across the
bike trail. were empty and for seveveral weeks running. Flunky then
piped in with his usuak stupid comments that they are looking for
engineers because rather than make medicine there they make diabetis
bkoos sugar detectors there. But of course he with the same long
distance ignorance as Liebermann doesn't know that THOSE detectors are
made at the Southloop address building and it is stated so directly on
their sign. Abbott is a pharmaceutical company but somehow Flunky
doesn't know that. He thinks that empty parking lots at four of their
five or six buildings is normal. And then one day when the parking lot
is full followed by days when moving vans are present and clearing out
production equipment doesn't mean a thing.
Flunky ia in such need of attention that he even is posting to me on
Facebook. Maybe you can do the same thing.

https://www.abbott.com/contact.html
https://www.abbott.com/global-locations-contacts.html
which implies that the staff parking count at one location may have no
meaning for the firm overall.

The problem is this: the MAIN TWO buildings are the parking lots that I
ride though. The advertisements for jobs are not on Airport Blvd but on
Southloop Rd where the much smaller Abbott facility is located.
I neither said that Abbott is in financial trouble nor implied such. I
wondered if they are leaving their previously fully manned locations that
worked 24/7 like ALL drug manufacturers were moving out of state. We EVEN
had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I USE Abbott
drugs to prevent seizures.
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate when
Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero? And what in the hell does Flunky
know about California business from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe
that he can read Gavin Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann
does?

I don't know.
But it may well be that the Southloop Road facility is merely where
their regional HR Department is located.

There isn't much information about what was at Airport blvd except to
say it was some kind of clinic. The southloop facility is
well-represented as an R&D and business center for their glucose
monitoring products.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 19:15:23 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
I neither said that Abbott is in financial trouble nor implied such. I
wondered if they are leaving their previously fully manned locations that
worked 24/7 like ALL drug manufacturers were moving out of state. We EVEN
had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I USE Abbott
drugs to prevent seizures.

True. You didn't say they were in financial trouble. You IMPLIED
that an empty parking lot is an indication that it had been abandoned
by the previous occupants. You also added some implications about
nearby buildings with "For Sale" signs. You also didn't provide the
full address of the alleged empty Abbott building. Instead, you
provided two building numbers in one posting, several streets in other
postings, and never connected the dots:
<https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/A5fvjnx2/abbott#post1>

<quote>
The Abbott parking lots remain empty after that single day of being
full and the following day when equipment was being removed. Cooking
drugs is a 24 hour business and you would expect at least a quarter of
the parking lot to be full at all times. Over the weekend I rode
throught them twice and they were completely empty except for empty
security vehicles.

Also all along the Airport Blvd, the industrial buildings all appear
to be lined with For Sale signs The restaurant that is out there and
the Chinese church behind it are doing well. The Raiders practice
field has finally lost the "Raiders" sign. Peets Coffee building
appears to be the same though it has a lower amoung of cars parked
there. The building I used to work in had the entire front redesigned
but there doesn't seem to be any occupant.

More noticeable is that the cars passing are not in a hurry. This
means that they are only returning fron stores and what-not and not
doing to work, The Ferry that goes to San Francisco as a commutter
transportation is fullo but I'm not sure why. The last time I was in
San Francisco even the restaurants for which the city was famous were
being put out of business since people could not afford to eat out.

There was a beer bsr that used to be quite actice and the last time I
went by it too was closed.
</quote>

Have you heard the term "beating a dead horse"? I think it applies
nicely to your endless efforts to raise your unproven and dead claim
about the demise of Abbott Laboratories:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogging_a_dead_horse>

Tom. I'm going back to ignoring your lies.
<https://rec.bicycles.tech.narkive.com/A5fvjnx2/abbott#post13>
"I'm rather tired of your false information and lies. I suspect that
what you really want is not to be recognized as some kind of expert,
but simply to waste my time. Maybe it makes you feel warm and fuzzy
knowing that I took you seriously enough to fact check your garbage.
That's over and I want no part of that. As far as I'm concerned, Tom
Kunich does not exist. He can say whatever he pleases, he can lie
however he wants, he can call me names and he can invent things to
accuse me of doing. What changes now is that I will no longer respond
to any of these. I will pretend that Tom doesn't exist exactly in the
same manner that he hallucinates his amazing facts. I don't know how
much time that will save me, but I suspect it will be substantial. I
probably can't resist reading RBT and posting occasional fact checks,
but no debates or discussions with you. May you live long and suffer
in the hell of your own creation."

[Zen Cycle]

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We EVEN
had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I USE Abbott
drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate when
Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

Post by Tom Kunich
And what in the hell does Flunky
know about California business from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe
that he can read Gavin Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann
does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

[Shadow]

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Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate when
Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?

If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed
$22,418. >

Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....

So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing and
live rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying almost
31% tax.

Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.

The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare living
on food stamps in tents or in cars.

Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes in
Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

LOL
[]'s

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Shadow

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Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed $22,418.
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing and live
rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying almost 31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare living
on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes in
Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

LOL []'s

I think that you are losing track of the disxcussion. We have a STATE
income tax of 14% and a sales tax on EVERYTHING of 10% wanna come live
here?

Texas does NOT have a state income tax and we would consider an 8
something percent sales tax a real deal.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Shadow

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Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed $22,418.
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing and live
rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying almost 31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare living
on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes in
Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

LOL []'s

I think that you are losing track of the disxcussion. We have a STATE
income tax of 14% and a sales tax on EVERYTHING of 10% wanna come live
here?
Texas does NOT have a state income tax and we would consider an 8
something percent sales tax a real deal.

Which doesn't explain why you still live there. You claim to be making
over $12000 on your investments, yet insist on living in a neighborhood
that by your own accounts is crime ridden with a high percentage of
illegal aliens, in a state that by your account you can't figure out why
anyone that would want to live in because they take 14% in taxes and has
a hard liberal/left government.

If you're that rich, that wealthy, why do you insist on subsidizing a
government that you consider to be as evil as North Korea* when you
could make a tidy profit on your home and move to a state which doesn't
tax your income and has a strong christian nationalist (which you claim
to be) lean?

I know the answer to this question. I also know you won't answer it.

so, "What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?".

Why, tommy, of course.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Shadow

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Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed $22,418.
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing and
live rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying almost
31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare living
on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes in
Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

LOL []'s

I think that you are losing track of the disxcussion. We have a STATE
income tax of 14% and a sales tax on EVERYTHING of 10% wanna come live
here?
Texas does NOT have a state income tax and we would consider an 8
something percent sales tax a real deal.

Which doesn't explain why you still live there. You claim to be making
over $12000 on your investments, yet insist on living in a neighborhood
that by your own accounts is crime ridden with a high percentage of
illegal aliens, in a state that by your account you can't figure out why
anyone that would want to live in because they take 14% in taxes and has
a hard liberal/left government.
If you're that rich, that wealthy, why do you insist on subsidizing a
government that you consider to be as evil as North Korea* when you
could make a tidy profit on your home and move to a state which doesn't
tax your income and has a strong christian nationalist (which you claim
to be) lean?
I know the answer to this question. I also know you won't answer it.
so, "What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?".
Why, tommy, of course.

I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a Democrat
government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting crimes of
every sort. What we are going to do it get rid of this Democrat crime
regime and send all of our illegals to your state.

[Frank Krygowski]

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Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Shadow

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Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed $22,418.
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing and
live rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying almost
31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare living
on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes in
Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

LOL []'s

I think that you are losing track of the disxcussion. We have a STATE
income tax of 14% and a sales tax on EVERYTHING of 10% wanna come live
here?
Texas does NOT have a state income tax and we would consider an 8
something percent sales tax a real deal.

Which doesn't explain why you still live there. You claim to be making
over $12000 on your investments, yet insist on living in a neighborhood
that by your own accounts is crime ridden with a high percentage of
illegal aliens, in a state that by your account you can't figure out why
anyone that would want to live in because they take 14% in taxes and has
a hard liberal/left government.
If you're that rich, that wealthy, why do you insist on subsidizing a
government that you consider to be as evil as North Korea* when you
could make a tidy profit on your home and move to a state which doesn't
tax your income and has a strong christian nationalist (which you claim
to be) lean?
I know the answer to this question. I also know you won't answer it.
so, "What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?".
Why, tommy, of course.

I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a Democrat
government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting crimes of
every sort. What we are going to do it get rid of this Democrat crime
regime and send all of our illegals to your state.

Whatever, Tom. You asked the question "What complete idiot would remain
in California with a 15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have
zero?"

Then you answered your own question by saying "I was born here and I am
not going to be driven out..."

So now we all know at least one answer to your question.

[Tom Kunich]

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Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

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Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed $22,418.
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing and
live rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying almost
31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare
living on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes in
Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

LOL []'s

I think that you are losing track of the disxcussion. We have a STATE
income tax of 14% and a sales tax on EVERYTHING of 10% wanna come
live here?
Texas does NOT have a state income tax and we would consider an 8
something percent sales tax a real deal.

Which doesn't explain why you still live there. You claim to be making
over $12000 on your investments, yet insist on living in a
neighborhood that by your own accounts is crime ridden with a high
percentage of illegal aliens, in a state that by your account you
can't figure out why anyone that would want to live in because they
take 14% in taxes and has
a hard liberal/left government.
If you're that rich, that wealthy, why do you insist on subsidizing a
government that you consider to be as evil as North Korea* when you
could make a tidy profit on your home and move to a state which
doesn't tax your income and has a strong christian nationalist (which
you claim to be) lean?
I know the answer to this question. I also know you won't answer it.
so, "What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax
rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?".
Why, tommy, of course.

I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a Democrat
government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting crimes
of every sort. What we are going to do it get rid of this Democrat
crime regime and send all of our illegals to your state.

Whatever, Tom. You asked the question "What complete idiot would remain
in California with a 15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have
zero?"
Then you answered your own question by saying "I was born here and I am
not going to be driven out..."
So now we all know at least one answer to your question.

I can pay my way which most people in California no longer can. I don't
have to move to keep my money and presently make 5 times per month on my
investments than I spend. The Biden administration ran the national debt
up to the point where YOU are going to lose everything while I am still
living comfortably. Youngstown University is going to kick the bucket as
people can no longer afford a college education and that means the end of
your retirement fund.

So who is hurting? The guy who conscientiuously worked a real job or the
guy who found that too much of a bother and turned to something easy?

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:28:29 -0400, Zen Cycle

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Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed $22,418.
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing and
live rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying almost
31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare
living on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes in
Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

LOL []'s

I think that you are losing track of the disxcussion. We have a STATE
income tax of 14% and a sales tax on EVERYTHING of 10% wanna come
live here?
Texas does NOT have a state income tax and we would consider an 8
something percent sales tax a real deal.

Which doesn't explain why you still live there. You claim to be making
over $12000 on your investments, yet insist on living in a
neighborhood that by your own accounts is crime ridden with a high
percentage of illegal aliens, in a state that by your account you
can't figure out why anyone that would want to live in because they
take 14% in taxes and has
a hard liberal/left government.
If you're that rich, that wealthy, why do you insist on subsidizing a
government that you consider to be as evil as North Korea* when you
could make a tidy profit on your home and move to a state which
doesn't tax your income and has a strong christian nationalist (which
you claim to be) lean?
I know the answer to this question. I also know you won't answer it.
so, "What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax
rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?".
Why, tommy, of course.

I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a Democrat
government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting crimes
of every sort. What we are going to do it get rid of this Democrat
crime regime and send all of our illegals to your state.

Whatever, Tom. You asked the question "What complete idiot would remain
in California with a 15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have
zero?"
Then you answered your own question by saying "I was born here and I am
not going to be driven out..."
So now we all know at least one answer to your question.

I can pay my way which most people in California no longer can.

"Most" people in california can't afford to pay their way....sure thing
tommy.

Post by Tom Kunich
I don't
have to move to keep my money and presently make 5 times per month on my
investments than I spend.

Yet you have to wait for your next SSI check to purchase a new set of
tights.

Post by Tom Kunich
The Biden administration ran the national debt
up to the point where YOU are going to lose everything while I am still
living comfortably.

um...who did that?

President Dollar increase % increase
Donald Trump $6,700,491,178,561.60 33.1%
Joe Biden $4,738,415,474,674.48 16.7%

https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225

Post by Tom Kunich
Youngstown University is going to kick the bucket as
people can no longer afford a college education and that means the end of
your retirement fund.

Ahhh...More tommy financial predictions!

Post by Tom Kunich
So who is hurting? The guy who conscientiuously worked a real job or the
guy who found that too much of a bother and turned to something easy?

None of which has anything to do with:

Tommy question - "What complete idiot would remain in California with a
15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?"

Tommy answer - "I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a
Democrat government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting
crimes of every sort."

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

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Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed $22,418.
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing and
live rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying almost
31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare
living on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes in
Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

    LOL []'s

I think that you are losing track of the disxcussion. We have a STATE
income tax of 14% and a sales tax on EVERYTHING of 10% wanna come
live here?
Texas does NOT have a state income tax and we would consider an 8
something percent sales tax a real deal.

Which doesn't explain why you still live there. You claim to be making
over $12000 on your investments, yet insist on living in a
neighborhood that by your own accounts is crime ridden with a high
percentage of illegal aliens, in a state that by your account you
can't figure out why anyone that would want to live in because they
take 14% in taxes and has
    a hard liberal/left government.
If you're that rich, that wealthy, why do you insist on subsidizing a
government that you consider to be as evil as North Korea* when you
could make a tidy profit on your home and move to a state which
doesn't tax your income and has a strong christian nationalist (which
you claim to be) lean?
I know the answer to this question. I also know you won't answer it.
so, "What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax
rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?".
Why, tommy, of course.

I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a Democrat
government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting crimes
of every sort. What we are going to do it get rid of this Democrat
crime regime and send all of our illegals to your state.

Whatever, Tom. You asked the question "What complete idiot would remain
in California with a 15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have
zero?"
Then you answered your own question by saying "I was born here and I am
not going to be driven out..."
So now we all know at least one answer to your question.

I can pay my way which most people in California no longer can.

"Most" people in california can't afford to pay their way....sure thing
tommy.

Post by Tom Kunich
I don't
have to move to keep my money and presently make 5 times per month on my
investments than I spend.

Yet you have to wait for your next SSI check to purchase a new set of
tights.

Post by Tom Kunich
The Biden administration ran the national debt
up to the point where YOU are going to lose everything while I am still
living comfortably.

um...who did that?
President    Dollar increase        % increase
Donald Trump    $6,700,491,178,561.60    33.1%
Joe Biden    $4,738,415,474,674.48    16.7%
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-
percentage-7371225

Post by Tom Kunich
Youngstown University is going to kick the bucket as
people can no longer afford a college education and that means the end of
your retirement fund.

Ahhh...More tommy financial predictions!

Post by Tom Kunich
So who is hurting? The guy who conscientiuously worked a real job or the
guy who found that too much of a bother and turned to something easy?

Tommy question - "What complete idiot would remain in California with a
15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?"
Tommy answer - "I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a
Democrat government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting
crimes of every sort."

Also, to Tom's question "So who is hurting?"

I'd say the guy who is constantly complaining is the one hurting.

[Catrike Ryder]

On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 14:28:45 -0400, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

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Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed $22,418.
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing and
live rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying almost
31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare
living on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes in
Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

    LOL []'s

I think that you are losing track of the disxcussion. We have a STATE
income tax of 14% and a sales tax on EVERYTHING of 10% wanna come
live here?
Texas does NOT have a state income tax and we would consider an 8
something percent sales tax a real deal.

Which doesn't explain why you still live there. You claim to be making
over $12000 on your investments, yet insist on living in a
neighborhood that by your own accounts is crime ridden with a high
percentage of illegal aliens, in a state that by your account you
can't figure out why anyone that would want to live in because they
take 14% in taxes and has
    a hard liberal/left government.
If you're that rich, that wealthy, why do you insist on subsidizing a
government that you consider to be as evil as North Korea* when you
could make a tidy profit on your home and move to a state which
doesn't tax your income and has a strong christian nationalist (which
you claim to be) lean?
I know the answer to this question. I also know you won't answer it.
so, "What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax
rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?".
Why, tommy, of course.

I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a Democrat
government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting crimes
of every sort. What we are going to do it get rid of this Democrat
crime regime and send all of our illegals to your state.

Whatever, Tom. You asked the question "What complete idiot would remain
in California with a 15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have
zero?"
Then you answered your own question by saying "I was born here and I am
not going to be driven out..."
So now we all know at least one answer to your question.

I can pay my way which most people in California no longer can.

"Most" people in california can't afford to pay their way....sure thing
tommy.

Post by Tom Kunich
I don't
have to move to keep my money and presently make 5 times per month on my
investments than I spend.

Yet you have to wait for your next SSI check to purchase a new set of
tights.

Post by Tom Kunich
The Biden administration ran the national debt
up to the point where YOU are going to lose everything while I am still
living comfortably.

um...who did that?
President    Dollar increase        % increase
Donald Trump    $6,700,491,178,561.60    33.1%
Joe Biden    $4,738,415,474,674.48    16.7%
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-
percentage-7371225

Post by Tom Kunich
Youngstown University is going to kick the bucket as
people can no longer afford a college education and that means the end of
your retirement fund.

Ahhh...More tommy financial predictions!

Post by Tom Kunich
So who is hurting? The guy who conscientiuously worked a real job or the
guy who found that too much of a bother and turned to something easy?

Tommy question - "What complete idiot would remain in California with a
15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?"
Tommy answer - "I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a
Democrat government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting
crimes of every sort."

Also, to Tom's question "So who is hurting?"
I'd say the guy who is constantly complaining is the one hurting.

So why are you constantly complaining about what other people say and
do?

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Tom Kunich]

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Post by Frank Krygowski

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Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax
rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed $22,418.
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing
and live rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying
almost 31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare
living on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes
in Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

    LOL []'s

I think that you are losing track of the disxcussion. We have a
STATE income tax of 14% and a sales tax on EVERYTHING of 10%
wanna come live here?
Texas does NOT have a state income tax and we would consider an 8
something percent sales tax a real deal.

Which doesn't explain why you still live there. You claim to be
making over $12000 on your investments, yet insist on living in a
neighborhood that by your own accounts is crime ridden with a high
percentage of illegal aliens, in a state that by your account you
can't figure out why anyone that would want to live in because
they take 14% in taxes and has
    a hard liberal/left government.
If you're that rich, that wealthy, why do you insist on
subsidizing a government that you consider to be as evil as North
Korea* when you could make a tidy profit on your home and move to
a state which doesn't tax your income and has a strong christian
nationalist (which you claim to be) lean?
I know the answer to this question. I also know you won't answer it.
so, "What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax
rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?".
Why, tommy, of course.

I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a Democrat
government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting
crimes of every sort. What we are going to do it get rid of this
Democrat crime regime and send all of our illegals to your state.

Whatever, Tom. You asked the question "What complete idiot would
remain in California with a 15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or
Arizona have zero?"
Then you answered your own question by saying "I was born here and I
am not going to be driven out..."
So now we all know at least one answer to your question.

I can pay my way which most people in California no longer can.

"Most" people in california can't afford to pay their way....sure
thing tommy.

Post by Tom Kunich
I don't have to move to keep my money and presently make 5 times per
month on my investments than I spend.

Yet you have to wait for your next SSI check to purchase a new set of
tights.

Post by Tom Kunich
The Biden administration ran the national debt up to the point where
YOU are going to lose everything while I am still living comfortably.

um...who did that?
President    Dollar increase        % increase Donald Trump   
$6,700,491,178,561.60    33.1%
Joe Biden    $4,738,415,474,674.48    16.7%
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-
percentage-7371225

Post by Tom Kunich
Youngstown University is going to kick the bucket as people can no
longer afford a college education and that means the end of your
retirement fund.

Ahhh...More tommy financial predictions!

Post by Tom Kunich
So who is hurting? The guy who conscientiuously worked a real job or
the guy who found that too much of a bother and turned to something
easy?

Tommy question - "What complete idiot would remain in California with
a 15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?"
Tommy answer - "I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by
a Democrat government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and
abetting crimes of every sort."

Also, to Tom's question "So who is hurting?"
I'd say the guy who is constantly complaining is the one hurting.

So why are you constantly complaining about what other people say and
do?

Because he finally realized that I am right - Obama destroyed the
education system along with everything else. Everyone went off of college.
People that can get anything from college are few and far between. So what
occurred is that we now have an entire generation with useless college
degrees and debts that will take them half of their working lives to pay
off.

Now they can't even afford to have families and so there are no new
children to make the same mistakes. What happens to Frank's wonderful
teachers retirement when Youngstown University goes broke because they
have NO students?

If Frank had remained programming mechanical mechanisms he could have made
enough money to be financially independent.

I just sent my brother $30,000 to support his mother in a rest home. He
took early retirement from a city job and now has to work a private job to
pay the bills. My older brother has about $20,000 worth of repairs that I
will pay for. Frank has to worry about the numbers of trade schools that
are going to eat him out of house and home.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Tom Kunich
People that can get anything from college are few and far between.

What an odd statement! Posted, I'll note, by a guy who didn't even
finish high school. Countless employers seem to disagree.

Post by Tom Kunich
What happens to Frank's wonderful
teachers retirement when Youngstown University goes broke because they
have NO students?

This just in:
https://ysu.edu/news/youngstown-state-university-sees-surge-enrollment-bucking-national-trend

Not that it matters. YSU no longer pays me anything. It's all done by
the State Teacher's Retirement System, which just sent out an email that
they're giving a bonus extra payment this year, because of excellent
investment results.

Post by Tom Kunich
If Frank had remained programming mechanical mechanisms he could have made
enough money to be financially independent.

I'll admit, I don't have experience "programming mechanical mechanisms."
Are you thinking of a Babbage Computer??

Post by Tom Kunich
Frank has to worry about the numbers of trade schools that
are going to eat him out of house and home.

?? Do trade schools break into people's houses and eat their food? Really?

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich
People that can get anything from college are few and far between.

What an odd statement! Posted, I'll note, by a guy who didn't even
finish high school. Countless employers seem to disagree.

Post by Tom Kunich
What happens to Frank's wonderful teachers retirement when Youngstown
University goes broke because they have NO students?

https://ysu.edu/news/youngstown-state-university-sees-surge-enrollment-

bucking-national-trend

Post by Frank Krygowski
Not that it matters. YSU no longer pays me anything. It's all done by
the State Teacher's Retirement System, which just sent out an email that
they're giving a bonus extra payment this year, because of excellent
investment results.

Post by Tom Kunich
If Frank had remained programming mechanical mechanisms he could have
made enough money to be financially independent.

I'll admit, I don't have experience "programming mechanical mechanisms."
Are you thinking of a Babbage Computer??

Post by Tom Kunich
Frank has to worry about the numbers of trade schools that are going to
eat him out of house and home.

?? Do trade schools break into people's houses and eat their food? Really?

Curious that Youngstown had a boom in enrollment AFTER you left. What do
you suppose the reason for that is?

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich
People that can get anything from college are few and far between.

What an odd statement! Posted, I'll note, by a guy who didn't even
finish high school. Countless employers seem to disagree.

Post by Tom Kunich
What happens to Frank's wonderful teachers retirement when Youngstown
University goes broke because they have NO students?

https://ysu.edu/news/youngstown-state-university-sees-surge-enrollment-

bucking-national-trend

Post by Frank Krygowski
Not that it matters. YSU no longer pays me anything. It's all done by
the State Teacher's Retirement System, which just sent out an email that
they're giving a bonus extra payment this year, because of excellent
investment results.

Post by Tom Kunich
If Frank had remained programming mechanical mechanisms he could have
made enough money to be financially independent.

I'll admit, I don't have experience "programming mechanical mechanisms."
Are you thinking of a Babbage Computer??

Post by Tom Kunich
Frank has to worry about the numbers of trade schools that are going to
eat him out of house and home.

?? Do trade schools break into people's houses and eat their food? Really?

Curious that Youngstown had a boom in enrollment AFTER you left. What do
you suppose the reason for that is?

"Just after I left?" Tom, I've been retired for well over a decade. Sheesh!

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich
People that can get anything from college are few and far between.

What an odd statement! Posted, I'll note, by a guy who didn't even
finish high school. Countless employers seem to disagree.

Post by Tom Kunich
What happens to Frank's wonderful teachers retirement when Youngstown
University goes broke because they have NO students?

https://ysu.edu/news/youngstown-state-university-sees-surge-enrollment-

bucking-national-trend

Post by Frank Krygowski
Not that it matters. YSU no longer pays me anything. It's all done by
the State Teacher's Retirement System, which just sent out an email
that they're giving a bonus extra payment this year, because of
excellent investment results.

Post by Tom Kunich
If Frank had remained programming mechanical mechanisms he could have
made enough money to be financially independent.

I'll admit, I don't have experience "programming mechanical
mechanisms."
Are you thinking of a Babbage Computer??

Post by Tom Kunich
Frank has to worry about the numbers of trade schools that are going
to eat him out of house and home.

?? Do trade schools break into people's houses and eat their food? Really?

Curious that Youngstown had a boom in enrollment AFTER you left. What
do you suppose the reason for that is?

"Just after I left?" Tom, I've been retired for well over a decade. Sheesh!

And Obama and Biden have driven up the debt for a college education
usually that no one can use so that what is surprising is that ANYONE
would enroll in Youngstown.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich
People that can get anything from college are few and far between.

What an odd statement! Posted, I'll note, by a guy who didn't even
finish high school. Countless employers seem to disagree.

Post by Tom Kunich
What happens to Frank's wonderful teachers retirement when Youngstown
University goes broke because they have NO students?

https://ysu.edu/news/youngstown-state-university-sees-surge-enrollment-

bucking-national-trend

Post by Frank Krygowski
Not that it matters. YSU no longer pays me anything. It's all done by
the State Teacher's Retirement System, which just sent out an email
that they're giving a bonus extra payment this year, because of
excellent investment results.

Post by Tom Kunich
If Frank had remained programming mechanical mechanisms he could have
made enough money to be financially independent.

I'll admit, I don't have experience "programming mechanical
mechanisms."
Are you thinking of a Babbage Computer??

Post by Tom Kunich
Frank has to worry about the numbers of trade schools that are going
to eat him out of house and home.

?? Do trade schools break into people's houses and eat their food? Really?

Curious that Youngstown had a boom in enrollment AFTER you left. What
do you suppose the reason for that is?

"Just after I left?" Tom, I've been retired for well over a decade. Sheesh!

And Obama and Biden have driven up the debt for a college education

https://educationdata.org/average-cost-of-college-by-year

Post by Tom Kunich
usually that no one can use so that what is surprising is that ANYONE
would enroll in Youngstown.

Day drinking again, tommy?

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich
People that can get anything from college are few and far between.

What an odd statement! Posted, I'll note, by a guy who didn't even
finish high school. Countless employers seem to disagree.

Post by Tom Kunich
What happens to Frank's wonderful teachers retirement when Youngstown
University goes broke because they have NO students?

https://ysu.edu/news/youngstown-state-university-sees-surge-enrollment-

bucking-national-trend

Post by Frank Krygowski
Not that it matters. YSU no longer pays me anything. It's all done by
the State Teacher's Retirement System, which just sent out an email
that they're giving a bonus extra payment this year, because of
excellent investment results.

Post by Tom Kunich
If Frank had remained programming mechanical mechanisms he could have
made enough money to be financially independent.

I'll admit, I don't have experience "programming mechanical
mechanisms."
Are you thinking of a Babbage Computer??

Post by Tom Kunich
Frank has to worry about the numbers of trade schools that are going
to eat him out of house and home.

?? Do trade schools break into people's houses and eat their food? Really?

Curious that Youngstown had a boom in enrollment AFTER you left. What
do you suppose the reason for that is?

"Just after I left?" Tom, I've been retired for well over a decade. Sheesh!

And Obama and Biden have driven up the debt for a college education
usually that no one can use so that what is surprising is that ANYONE
would enroll in Youngstown.

It's surprising only to you.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich
People that can get anything from college are few and far between.

What an odd statement! Posted, I'll note, by a guy who didn't even
finish high school. Countless employers seem to disagree.

Post by Tom Kunich
What happens to Frank's wonderful teachers retirement when
Youngstown University goes broke because they have NO students?

https://ysu.edu/news/youngstown-state-university-sees-surge-

enrollment-

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
bucking-national-trend

Post by Frank Krygowski
Not that it matters. YSU no longer pays me anything. It's all done
by the State Teacher's Retirement System, which just sent out an
email that they're giving a bonus extra payment this year, because
of excellent investment results.

Post by Tom Kunich
If Frank had remained programming mechanical mechanisms he could
have made enough money to be financially independent.

I'll admit, I don't have experience "programming mechanical mechanisms."
Are you thinking of a Babbage Computer??

Post by Tom Kunich
Frank has to worry about the numbers of trade schools that are
going to eat him out of house and home.

?? Do trade schools break into people's houses and eat their food? Really?

Curious that Youngstown had a boom in enrollment AFTER you left. What
do you suppose the reason for that is?

"Just after I left?" Tom, I've been retired for well over a decade. Sheesh!

And Obama and Biden have driven up the debt for a college education
usually that no one can use so that what is surprising is that ANYONE
would enroll in Youngstown.

It's surprising only to you.

Frank, you can pretend that a college education is your guarantee of
success but you couldn't even work as a MAINTENANCE plant engineer. Since
you could not work as a real engineer you became a college teacher. So you
got NOTHING from your degree! My wife was a teacher that taught largely at
private schools from which the students graduating had educations superior
to that of today's "college graduates" and since they were largely
Christian schools, the cost of these schools was often less than the cost
of a 2 year degree from Youngstown.

Why do you feel the need to support a college that cranks out worthless
degrees?

That aside - Abbott has partnerships with a DOZEN companies to MAKE their
production of things like emergency fast acting insulin pens that are
filled with insullin. You and your stupid friend Flunky and Liebermann who
believes himself to be Einstein want to argue that I am wrong about things
you haven't the vauguest idea about. All of the main Abbott buildings are
EMPTY. Except for the building on SOUTHloop drive that makes glucose
monitoring system and a building on NORTHloop drive that is a shipping and
receiving for the moitoring system. Stop pretending that empty parking
lots at the Airport Blvd buildings are meaningless.

Maybe you can pretend that an epipen-like item that is sold for MANY
conditions is ONLY used for allergic reactions.

https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/strategy-and-strength/the-partnerships-
changing-how-you-manage-diabetes.html

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

...what is surprising is that ANYONE
would enroll in Youngstown.

It's surprising only to you.

Frank, you can pretend that a college education is your guarantee of
success but you couldn't even work as a MAINTENANCE plant engineer.

Tom, you're posting out of pure, total ignorance, as usual. You know
absolutely nothing about my engineering experience, nor about college
educations. Hell, you didn't even finish high school. You're making a
fool of yourself yet again.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

...what is surprising is that ANYONE
would enroll in Youngstown.

It's surprising only to you.

Frank, you can pretend that a college education is your guarantee of
success but you couldn't even work as a MAINTENANCE plant engineer.

Tom, you're posting out of pure, total ignorance, as usual. You know
absolutely nothing about my engineering experience, nor about college
educations. Hell, you didn't even finish high school. You're making a
fool of yourself yet again.

+1, he's good for a laugh, anyway....

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich
Frank, you can pretend that a college education is your guarantee of
success

He never claimed that, no one in this forum has.

Post by Tom Kunich
but you couldn't even work as a MAINTENANCE plant engineer.

Considering that you don't know what a plant engineer actually does,
your assumption is rather meaningless

Post by Tom Kunich
Since
you could not work as a real engineer you became a college teacher. So you
got NOTHING from your degree!

Except a tenured professorship and a decent retirement package. Contrast
that to you living exclusively on social security (by your own admission
in the forum)

Post by Tom Kunich
My wife was a teacher that taught largely at
private schools from which the students graduating had educations superior
to that of today's "college graduates"

You have no information regarding the career paths of the kids at that
school, whether they went to college or not, or if they ended up like
you - an angry tired old drunk living on social security.

Post by Tom Kunich
and since they were largely
Christian schools

Yeah, because they were "christian"....that's why...lol...

Post by Tom Kunich
the cost of these schools was often less than the cost
of a 2 year degree from Youngstown.
Why do you feel the need to support a college that cranks out worthless
degrees?
That aside - Abbott has partnerships with a DOZEN companies to MAKE their
production of things like emergency fast acting insulin pens that are
filled with insullin.

Abbot doesn't make insulin and they don't make insulin pens. If you
think they do, provide a link that shows an insulin pen that uses Abbot
insulin.

Post by Tom Kunich
You and your stupid friend Flunky and Liebermann who
believes himself to be Einstein want to argue that I am wrong about things
you haven't the vauguest idea about.

And yet you still haven't provided any information showing Abbott as an
insulin manufacturer (and no, your link below doesn't either)

Post by Tom Kunich
All of the main Abbott buildings are
EMPTY. Except for the building on SOUTHloop drive that makes glucose
monitoring system and a building on NORTHloop drive that is a shipping and
receiving for the moitoring system. Stop pretending that empty parking
lots at the Airport Blvd buildings are meaningless.

No one said they were meaningless. This started because you claimed
Abbott was leaving the state of California. They aren't.

Post by Tom Kunich
Maybe you can pretend that an epipen-like item that is sold for MANY
conditions is ONLY used for allergic reactions.

You're the one that called them epipens, moron.

Post by Tom Kunich
https://www.abbott.com/corpnewsroom/strategy-and-strength/the-partnerships-
changing-how-you-manage-diabetes.html

And as usual, you don't bother to read the link you posted. From the
subtitle:

"Abbott is connecting its tech with major insulin delivery systems"

Abbot makes glucose monitors, not insulin delivery systems. Every
example listed on that page describes how Abbott is partnering with
various insulin delivery companies to integrate their FreeStyle Libre
monitoring system with the other manufacturers glucose delivery systems.

As usual, another colossal tommy fail


From your link

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:28:29 -0400, Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live

......

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax
rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed $22,418.
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing
and live rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying
almost 31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare
living on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes
in Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

    LOL []'s

I think that you are losing track of the disxcussion. We have a
STATE income tax of 14% and a sales tax on EVERYTHING of 10% wanna
come live here?
Texas does NOT have a state income tax and we would consider an 8
something percent sales tax a real deal.

Which doesn't explain why you still live there. You claim to be
making over $12000 on your investments, yet insist on living in a
neighborhood that by your own accounts is crime ridden with a high
percentage of illegal aliens, in a state that by your account you
can't figure out why anyone that would want to live in because they
take 14% in taxes and has
    a hard liberal/left government.
If you're that rich, that wealthy, why do you insist on subsidizing
a government that you consider to be as evil as North Korea* when
you could make a tidy profit on your home and move to a state which
doesn't tax your income and has a strong christian nationalist
(which you claim to be) lean?
I know the answer to this question. I also know you won't answer it.
so, "What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax
rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?".
Why, tommy, of course.

I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a Democrat
government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting
crimes of every sort. What we are going to do it get rid of this
Democrat crime regime and send all of our illegals to your state.

Whatever, Tom. You asked the question "What complete idiot would
remain in California with a 15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or
Arizona have zero?"
Then you answered your own question by saying "I was born here and I
am not going to be driven out..."
So now we all know at least one answer to your question.

I can pay my way which most people in California no longer can.

"Most" people in california can't afford to pay their way....sure thing
tommy.

Post by Tom Kunich
I don't have to move to keep my money and presently make 5 times per
month on my investments than I spend.

Yet you have to wait for your next SSI check to purchase a new set of
tights.

Post by Tom Kunich
The Biden administration ran the national debt up to the point where
YOU are going to lose everything while I am still living comfortably.

um...who did that?
President    Dollar increase        % increase Donald Trump   
$6,700,491,178,561.60    33.1%
Joe Biden    $4,738,415,474,674.48    16.7%
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-
percentage-7371225

Post by Tom Kunich
Youngstown University is going to kick the bucket as people can no
longer afford a college education and that means the end of your
retirement fund.

Ahhh...More tommy financial predictions!

Post by Tom Kunich
So who is hurting? The guy who conscientiuously worked a real job or
the guy who found that too much of a bother and turned to something
easy?

Tommy question - "What complete idiot would remain in California with a
15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?"
Tommy answer - "I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by
a Democrat government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and
abetting crimes of every sort."

Also, to Tom's question "So who is hurting?"
I'd say the guy who is constantly complaining is the one hurting.

It is plainly you that is the one that is hurtin. I'm the one sending
large sums of money to my brothers and you and Flunky have nothing. Worse
yet, you try to make a good thing out of not using at least partialy up to
date technology despite professing to teach modern technology to others.

I don't think for one second that you have the slightest idea of what you
read like!

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:28:29 -0400, Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live

......

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed $22,418.
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing and
live rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying almost
31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare
living on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes in
Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

LOL []'s

I think that you are losing track of the disxcussion. We have a STATE
income tax of 14% and a sales tax on EVERYTHING of 10% wanna come
live here?
Texas does NOT have a state income tax and we would consider an 8
something percent sales tax a real deal.

Which doesn't explain why you still live there. You claim to be making
over $12000 on your investments, yet insist on living in a
neighborhood that by your own accounts is crime ridden with a high
percentage of illegal aliens, in a state that by your account you
can't figure out why anyone that would want to live in because they
take 14% in taxes and has
a hard liberal/left government.
If you're that rich, that wealthy, why do you insist on subsidizing a
government that you consider to be as evil as North Korea* when you
could make a tidy profit on your home and move to a state which
doesn't tax your income and has a strong christian nationalist (which
you claim to be) lean?
I know the answer to this question. I also know you won't answer it.
so, "What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax
rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?".
Why, tommy, of course.

I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a Democrat
government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting crimes
of every sort. What we are going to do it get rid of this Democrat
crime regime and send all of our illegals to your state.

Whatever, Tom. You asked the question "What complete idiot would remain
in California with a 15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have
zero?"
Then you answered your own question by saying "I was born here and I am
not going to be driven out..."
So now we all know at least one answer to your question.

I can pay my way which most people in California no longer can.

"Most" people in california can't afford to pay their way....sure thing
tommy.

Post by Tom Kunich
I don't
have to move to keep my money and presently make 5 times per month on my
investments than I spend.

Yet you have to wait for your next SSI check to purchase a new set of
tights.

Post by Tom Kunich
The Biden administration ran the national debt
up to the point where YOU are going to lose everything while I am still
living comfortably.

um...who did that?
President Dollar increase % increase
Donald Trump $6,700,491,178,561.60 33.1%
Joe Biden $4,738,415,474,674.48 16.7%
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225

Post by Tom Kunich
Youngstown University is going to kick the bucket as
people can no longer afford a college education and that means the end of
your retirement fund.

Ahhh...More tommy financial predictions!

Post by Tom Kunich
So who is hurting? The guy who conscientiuously worked a real job or the
guy who found that too much of a bother and turned to something easy?

Tommy question - "What complete idiot would remain in California with a
15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?"
Tommy answer - "I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a
Democrat government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting
crimes of every sort."

I spent $5,000 on myself last month and the month before. I gave each of my two brothers $30,000 apiece, Tell us all here what you have spent. I can go out to dinner at a restaurant every night with my wife and you can't even afford a wife.

It must certainly be hell to be you and cheat your employer every single day.

[Shadow]

Post by cyclintom
I gave each of my two brothers $30,000 apiece,

Why are they such absolute losers?
No pensions, no money saved for emergencies, nothing? They
rely on hand-outs? I'd be ashamed to ask for money.
Is it genetics? If that a rhetorical question, I'm sorry.
[]'s

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Shadow

Post by cyclintom
I gave each of my two brothers $30,000 apiece,

Why are they such absolute losers?
No pensions, no money saved for emergencies, nothing? They
rely on hand-outs? I'd be ashamed to ask for money.

Tommy will tell you it's because they trusted their pensions to the
democrats. Of course, tommy's _not_ telling you it's all a lie, and he's
actually broke and living on SS - he admitted as much in this forum:

https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/hicB2nXjlr4/m/G2axqs0k_IwJ

***@yahoo.com Aug 9, 2013, 11:11:36 AM
" Trouble is that while I was out of it I sold or gave away almost my
entire bicycle collection. And all of my wardrobe and most of my tools!
And now on Social Security I have to VERY slowly make it up."

Post by Shadow
Is it genetics? If that a rhetorical question, I'm sorry.
[]'s

No need to be sorry, there has to be some reason for tommys dysfunction,
genetics is as good an excuse as any.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 16:28:29 -0400, Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live

......

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed $22,418.
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing and
live rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying almost
31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare
living on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes in
Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

LOL []'s

I think that you are losing track of the disxcussion. We have a STATE
income tax of 14% and a sales tax on EVERYTHING of 10% wanna come
live here?
Texas does NOT have a state income tax and we would consider an 8
something percent sales tax a real deal.

Which doesn't explain why you still live there. You claim to be making
over $12000 on your investments, yet insist on living in a
neighborhood that by your own accounts is crime ridden with a high
percentage of illegal aliens, in a state that by your account you
can't figure out why anyone that would want to live in because they
take 14% in taxes and has
a hard liberal/left government.
If you're that rich, that wealthy, why do you insist on subsidizing a
government that you consider to be as evil as North Korea* when you
could make a tidy profit on your home and move to a state which
doesn't tax your income and has a strong christian nationalist (which
you claim to be) lean?
I know the answer to this question. I also know you won't answer it.
so, "What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax
rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?".
Why, tommy, of course.

I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a Democrat
government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting crimes
of every sort. What we are going to do it get rid of this Democrat
crime regime and send all of our illegals to your state.

Whatever, Tom. You asked the question "What complete idiot would remain
in California with a 15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have
zero?"
Then you answered your own question by saying "I was born here and I am
not going to be driven out..."
So now we all know at least one answer to your question.

I can pay my way which most people in California no longer can.

"Most" people in california can't afford to pay their way....sure thing
tommy.

Post by Tom Kunich
I don't
have to move to keep my money and presently make 5 times per month on my
investments than I spend.

Yet you have to wait for your next SSI check to purchase a new set of
tights.

Post by Tom Kunich
The Biden administration ran the national debt
up to the point where YOU are going to lose everything while I am still
living comfortably.

um...who did that?
President Dollar increase % increase
Donald Trump $6,700,491,178,561.60 33.1%
Joe Biden $4,738,415,474,674.48 16.7%
https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225

Post by Tom Kunich
Youngstown University is going to kick the bucket as
people can no longer afford a college education and that means the end of
your retirement fund.

Ahhh...More tommy financial predictions!

Post by Tom Kunich
So who is hurting? The guy who conscientiuously worked a real job or the
guy who found that too much of a bother and turned to something easy?

Tommy question - "What complete idiot would remain in California with a
15% tax rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?"
Tommy answer - "I was born here and I am not going to be driven out by a
Democrat government importing murderers, thieves and aiding and abetting
crimes of every sort."

I spent $5,000 on myself last month and the month before.

No, you didn't, unless it was medical bills that are covered by SS.

Post by cyclintom
I gave each of my two brothers $30,000 apiece

No, you didn't.

Post by cyclintom
Tell us all here what you have spent.

Well, I just spend $3K replacing shock absorbers an brakes, ~ 15K
getting the house painted, 5K on a new double-hung cellar door
installation, and considering a new car for my wife.

Post by cyclintom
I can go out to dinner at a restaurant every night with my wife

Arby's...

Post by cyclintom
and you can't even afford a wife.

She'd beg to differ with you.

Post by cyclintom
It must certainly be hell to be you and cheat your employer every single day.

If I was cheating my employer I'm sure they would take issue with it.
But I don't so they don't.

[cyclintom]

Post by Shadow

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

......

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate when
Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

<How much is 100k after taxes in Texas?
If you make $100,000 a year living in Texas, you will be taxed
$22,418. >
Then there's an extremely high purchase tax, over 8,25%....
So you "only" pay 22.5% tax if you buy no clothes, eat nothing and
live rent-free. If you spend what you earn, you'll be paying almost
31% tax.
Texas also has one of the highest property taxes in the US.
The only ones that don't pay tax in Texas are people on Welfare living
on food stamps in tents or in cars.
Where did you get the idea that people that work don't pay taxes in
Texas?

Post by Zen Cycle
Well, you're still there....

LOL
[]'s
--
Don't be evil - Google 2004
We have a new policy - Google 2012
Google Fuchsia - 2021

You aren't talking about Texas.

What is with all of the bullshit?

A Guide to All Taxes in Texas (thebalancemoney.com)

[Shadow]

On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 21:28:35 GMT, cyclintom <***@yahoo.com>
wrote:

-----------

Post by cyclintom
You aren't talking about Texas.
What is with all of the bullshit?
A Guide to All Taxes in Texas (thebalancemoney.com)

//Property taxes in Texas are the seventh-highest in the U.S., as the
average effective property tax rate in the Lone Star State is 1.60%.
Compare that to the national average, which currently stands at 0.99%.
The typical Texas homeowner pays $3,797 annually in property taxes.//

//Why are Texas property taxes so high?
Limited State Income Tax and Reliance on Property Taxes: Unlike other
states that collect income taxes to fund public services and
infrastructure, Texas relies heavily on property taxes as a primary
source of revenue. The burden of funding essential services falls on
homeowners, leading to higher property tax rates.//

There is no such thing as a free lunch. Someone has to pay for
services (police, roads, water, schools etc). And that someone is not
the rich guys....(like you)
[]'s

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Shadow
-----------

Post by cyclintom
You aren't talking about Texas.
What is with all of the bullshit?
A Guide to All Taxes in Texas (thebalancemoney.com)

//Property taxes in Texas are the seventh-highest in the U.S., as the
average effective property tax rate in the Lone Star State is 1.60%.
Compare that to the national average, which currently stands at 0.99%.
The typical Texas homeowner pays $3,797 annually in property taxes.//
//Why are Texas property taxes so high?
Limited State Income Tax and Reliance on Property Taxes: Unlike other
states that collect income taxes to fund public services and
infrastructure, Texas relies heavily on property taxes as a primary
source of revenue. The burden of funding essential services falls on
homeowners, leading to higher property tax rates.//
There is no such thing as a free lunch. Someone has to pay for
services (police, roads, water, schools etc). And that someone is not
the rich guys....(like you)
[]'s

So obviously the super high crime rate, bad roads and illegal driving (two
days ago I watched one car run three stop signs including one with a car
with right awsy IN the intersection)are because Californians aren't paying
enough in taxes.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

Post by Tom Kunich
What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate when
Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

Exactly! So we have a sample.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I USE
Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate when
Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business from
2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin Loathsone's
mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA. From
3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin? From your
inablity to read?

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I USE
Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate when
Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business from
2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin Loathsone's
mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA. From
3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin? From your
inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference to
support your claim. I've posted several references that list all the US
manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

[AMuzi]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that
I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make
drugs when I USE
Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I
wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a
15% tax rate when
Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California
business from
2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read
Gavin Loathsone's
mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about
issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a
circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in
the USA. From
3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made
Insulin? From your
inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a
reference to support your claim. I've posted several
references that list all the US manufacturers of insulin,
Abbott is not one of them.

+1

Insulin products are utterly different now than from the
first hundred years. Abbot may have processed porcine
insulin at one time but that's not a current technology.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I USE
Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate when
Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business from
2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin Loathsone's
mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA. From
3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin? From your
inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference
to support your claim. I've posted several references that list all
the US manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the first hundred
years. Abbot may have processed porcine insulin at one time but that's
not a current technology.

Once again, Tom, nobody is agreeing with you, and others are posting
references proving you're wrong. At some point, you really should admit
that you're wrong.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I
USE Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business
from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin
Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA.
From 3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin?
From your inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference
to support your claim. I've posted several references that list all
the US manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the first hundred
years. Abbot may have processed porcine insulin at one time but that's
not a current technology.

Once again, Tom, nobody is agreeing with you, and others are posting
references proving you're wrong. At some point, you really should admit
that you're wrong.

Let me see if I have you correctly, nobody that knows one thing about
Abbott pharmatueticalls or has EVER seen it isn't agreeing with the that
their parking lots at all of their buildings except one that manufactures
a monitoring device disagrees with me about things that they know nothing
about? According to Flunky, even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they
buy insulin elsewhere to fill it with. Why chemically based insulin is so
difficult to make that anyone could make it in a reasonably equiped
laboratory but, Flunky who now posts under the stupider yet name of "zen",
doesn't know that. He thinks that insulin is still extracted from
slightered hogs.

Frank, you are not Jobst, Jobst was an asshole but you can't even reach
that height.

By the way - Abbott has contacted me about employment and they say that
they don't have any position for someone of my experience but would like
to be able to contact me in the future should one arise. LinkedIn strikes
again.

[Shadow]

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they
buy insulin elsewhere to fill it with.

I hope Abbott is NOT filling epipens with insulin.
If they are, here's your chance to get rich. Sue them.
[]'s

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Shadow
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they buy insulin elsewhere to
fill it with.

I hope Abbott is NOT filling epipens with insulin.
If they are, here's your chance to get rich. Sue them.
[]'s

Is this more of your Texas Tax laws misinformation? And epipen can be
specified for various conditions from treating people with hyperallergic
reactions to people needing a type in case of being diabetic and getting
too much glucose and reacting to it.

[AMuzi]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Shadow
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they buy insulin elsewhere to
fill it with.

I hope Abbott is NOT filling epipens with insulin.
If they are, here's your chance to get rich. Sue them.
[]'s

Is this more of your Texas Tax laws misinformation? And epipen can be
specified for various conditions from treating people with hyperallergic
reactions to people needing a type in case of being diabetic and getting
too much glucose and reacting to it.

While similar, an insulin pen dispenses insulin:

https://www.drugs.com/cg/insulin-pens.html

While an Epipen(TM) dispenses epinephrine.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Shadow
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they buy insulin elsewhere to
fill it with.

I hope Abbott is NOT filling epipens with insulin.
If they are, here's your chance to get rich. Sue them.
[]'s

Is this more of your Texas Tax laws misinformation? And epipen can be
specified for various conditions from treating people with
hyperallergic reactions to people needing a type in case of being
diabetic and getting too much glucose and reacting to it.

https://www.drugs.com/cg/insulin-pens.html
While an Epipen(TM) dispenses epinephrine.

The impostant thing is that they are self injecting since you may not have
any capability to meansure. They also have the same sort of thing to
handle stoping a seizure epilepsy.

With epilepsy you have VERY little warning so you have to have something
that works quite rapidly. Diabetic seizures have the same problem.

They are designed to inject through clothing.

I am sure that Shadow doesn't have any of these problems and so is only
peripherally aware of these things. But if you don't know you shouldn't
talk about it. You end up sounding like Liebermann.

[Roger Merriman]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by AMuzi

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Shadow
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they buy insulin elsewhere to
fill it with.

I hope Abbott is NOT filling epipens with insulin.
If they are, here's your chance to get rich. Sue them.
[]'s

Is this more of your Texas Tax laws misinformation? And epipen can be
specified for various conditions from treating people with
hyperallergic reactions to people needing a type in case of being
diabetic and getting too much glucose and reacting to it.

https://www.drugs.com/cg/insulin-pens.html
While an Epipen(TM) dispenses epinephrine.

The impostant thing is that they are self injecting since you may not have
any capability to meansure. They also have the same sort of thing to
handle stoping a seizure epilepsy.
With epilepsy you have VERY little warning so you have to have something
that works quite rapidly. Diabetic seizures have the same problem.

Most folks have no Epilepsy warning and certainly no rescue medication
delivered by injection.

Likewise for folks having a Hypo it’s essentially suger/carbs in the
sensors so one can track and get a graph of the blood sugar are boon with
this.

And rescue medication is delivered orally ie glucose tablets or gels and
similar.

All of the medication delivered via injection and vaguely insulin lower not
raise the blood sugar levels.

It’s something of the Irish proverb ie it’s not good or healthy to have
hypos and it’s wise to avoid them and manage it before it’s a crisis.

Post by Tom Kunich
They are designed to inject through clothing.

Yes that’s how EpiPens work.

Post by Tom Kunich
I am sure that Shadow doesn't have any of these problems and so is only
peripherally aware of these things. But if you don't know you shouldn't
talk about it. You end up sounding like Liebermann.

You’re thus far demonstrating a lack of knowledge, and really should stop
digging!

Roger Merriman

[Shadow]

On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 19:09:59 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by AMuzi

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Shadow
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they buy insulin elsewhere to
fill it with.

I hope Abbott is NOT filling epipens with insulin.
If they are, here's your chance to get rich. Sue them.
[]'s

Is this more of your Texas Tax laws misinformation? And epipen can be
specified for various conditions from treating people with
hyperallergic reactions to people needing a type in case of being
diabetic and getting too much glucose and reacting to it.

https://www.drugs.com/cg/insulin-pens.html
While an Epipen(TM) dispenses epinephrine.

The impostant thing is that they are self injecting since you may not have
any capability to meansure. They also have the same sort of thing to
handle stoping a seizure epilepsy.
With epilepsy you have VERY little warning so you have to have something
that works quite rapidly. Diabetic seizures have the same problem.
They are designed to inject through clothing.
I am sure that Shadow doesn't have any of these problems and so is only
peripherally aware of these things.

LOL. You NEVER inject insulin in a diabetic seizure (which is
practically always caused by hypoglycemia). You inject glucose....

Post by Tom Kunich
But if you don't know you shouldn't talk about it. You end up sounding like Liebermann.

Is he a doctor too?
[]'s

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by Shadow
On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 19:09:59 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
But if you don't know you shouldn't talk about it. You end up sounding like Liebermann.

Is he a doctor too?
[]'s

I'm not a real medical doctor. However, I was presented with an
"Internet Doctor of Medicine" degree by a prominent member of
rec.bicycles.tech:
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[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by AMuzi

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Shadow
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they buy insulin elsewhere to
fill it with.

I hope Abbott is NOT filling epipens with insulin.
If they are, here's your chance to get rich. Sue them.
[]'s

Is this more of your Texas Tax laws misinformation? And epipen can be
specified for various conditions from treating people with
hyperallergic reactions to people needing a type in case of being
diabetic and getting too much glucose and reacting to it.

https://www.drugs.com/cg/insulin-pens.html
While an Epipen(TM) dispenses epinephrine.

The impostant thing is that they are self injecting since you may not have
any capability to meansure. They also have the same sort of thing to
handle stoping a seizure epilepsy.
With epilepsy you have VERY little warning so you have to have something
that works quite rapidly. Diabetic seizures have the same problem.
They are designed to inject through clothing.
I am sure that Shadow doesn't have any of these problems and so is only
peripherally aware of these things. But if you don't know you shouldn't
talk about it. You end up sounding like Liebermann.

So, does thinking epipens are used for epileptic seizures count as being
only "peripherally aware"?

[sms]

Post by Shadow
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they
buy insulin elsewhere to fill it with.

I hope Abbott is NOT filling epipens with insulin.
If they are, here's your chance to get rich. Sue them.
[]'s

LOL, another classic from "he who must not be named."

No, Abbott is not killing people by selling Epipens filled with insulin.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by sms

Post by Shadow
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they buy insulin elsewhere to
fill it with.

I hope Abbott is NOT filling epipens with insulin.
If they are, here's your chance to get rich. Sue them.
[]'s

LOL, another classic from "he who must not be named."
No, Abbott is not killing people by selling Epipens filled with insulin.

Where did you get your knowledge of anything Abbott? Or are you
Liebermann posting under a pseudonym?

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 22:58:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by sms

Post by Shadow
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they buy insulin elsewhere to
fill it with.

I hope Abbott is NOT filling epipens with insulin.
If they are, here's your chance to get rich. Sue them.
[]'s

LOL, another classic from "he who must not be named."
No, Abbott is not killing people by selling Epipens filled with insulin.

Where did you get your knowledge of anything Abbott?

Are you asking Stephen to cite his sources of information? That seems
a bit odd coming from someone who either fails to cite his sources or
cites a source that says the opposite of whatever amazing facts you've
conjured for the occasion.

Post by Tom Kunich
Or are you Liebermann posting under a pseudonym?

I don't recall if anyone has impersonated me. Possibly a spammer once
or twice, but nothing yet in a discussion group. I did have a problem
when I changed my email address in my .signature, but that was easily
solved by threatening the perpetrator with divine retribution.

You're welcome to try impersonating me, but you'll first need to
improve your fact checking, spelling, grammar, punctuation, comma
splices, diplomacy, knowledge of history, information sources, obscure
quotations, quotations and unfortunately, my horrible arithmetic. I'm
certain that Stephen (sms) can perform all the aforementioned as much
as I'm also certain that you cannot.

Drivel: Back to splitting and stacking some more oak firewood. Every
muscle aches, but it feels so good when I stop to rest and ruin your
day in RBT.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by sms

Post by Shadow
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they buy insulin elsewhere to
fill it with.

I hope Abbott is NOT filling epipens with insulin.
If they are, here's your chance to get rich. Sue them.
[]'s

LOL, another classic from "he who must not be named."
No, Abbott is not killing people by selling Epipens filled with insulin.

Where did you get your knowledge of anything Abbott?

Same question for you, Tom. By riding by their parking lot? Really?

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by sms

Post by Shadow
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

even thugh they manufacture an epipen, they buy insulin elsewhere to
fill it with.

I hope Abbott is NOT filling epipens with insulin.
If they are, here's your chance to get rich. Sue them.
[]'s

LOL, another classic from "he who must not be named."
No, Abbott is not killing people by selling Epipens filled with insulin.

Where did you get your knowledge of anything Abbott?

Likely the same place any intelligent person does - information on the
internet. This is significantly more reliable that the rantings of an 80
year old riding by the parking lot.

BTW - haven't you found any reliable information stating Abbot makes
insulin yet?

Post by Tom Kunich
Or are you
Liebermann posting under a pseudonym?

Contrary to what you have deluded yourself into believing, tom, the fact
that you state something doesn't make it true.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
Why chemically based insulin is so
difficult to make that anyone could make it in a reasonably equiped
laboratory but..."

Anyone could make it?

"IWTL: How to make insulin in a small home laboratory" (2010)
<https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/e5drj/iwtl_how_to_make_insulin_in_a_small_home/>
"Insulin is a protein, thus it can be synthesized by adding individual
amino acids, which in any case, would be a pain at best. Following the
correct amino acid sequence, you must have it fold correctly, and that
is a lot easier said than done. So hard that companies have given up
producing insulin this way and the commercial way to do it is to grow
genetically modified bacteria that can produce Insulin."
(...)
"Even if you do get this far, the challenge continues. How do you
extract the insulin from the bacteria? You could design them to
secrete it into the surrounding growth solution, but then you would
have to attach a sequence to the beginning that tells the bacteria to
export the protein. A hard obstacle to overcome from what I know, as
there must be other specific proteins to stabilize the unfolded
insulin before export."

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Shadow
On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 21:11:32 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Why chemically based insulin is so difficult to make that anyone could
make it in a reasonably equiped laboratory but..."

Anyone could make it?
"IWTL: How to make insulin in a small home laboratory" (2010)
<https://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/e5drj/

iwtl_how_to_make_insulin_in_a_small_home/>

Post by Shadow
"Insulin is a protein, thus it can be synthesized by adding individual
amino acids, which in any case, would be a pain at best. Following the
correct amino acid sequence, you must have it fold correctly, and that
is a lot easier said than done. So hard that companies have given up
producing insulin this way and the commercial way to do it is to grow
genetically modified bacteria that can produce Insulin."
(...)
"Even if you do get this far, the challenge continues. How do you
extract the insulin from the bacteria? You could design them to secrete
it into the surrounding growth solution, but then you would have to
attach a sequence to the beginning that tells the bacteria to export the
protein. A hard obstacle to overcome from what I know, as there must be
other specific proteins to stabilize the unfolded insulin before
export."

More knowledge from the man on welfare. Insulin can be made strictly by
chemistry. Bacterial production is for mass production and has strict
limmits since it is then very difficult to purify. But being the
biological whizz kid you already knew that before you attempted to impress
everyone with your use of Google.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I
USE Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business
from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin
Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA.
From 3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin?
From your inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference
to support your claim. I've posted several references that list all
the US manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the first hundred
years. Abbot may have processed porcine insulin at one time but that's
not a current technology.

Once again, Tom, nobody is agreeing with you, and others are posting
references proving you're wrong. At some point, you really should admit
that you're wrong.

Let me see if I have you correctly, nobody that knows one thing about
Abbott pharmatueticalls or has EVER seen it isn't agreeing with the that
their parking lots at all of their buildings except one that manufactures
a monitoring device disagrees with me about things that they know nothing
about?

No, Tom. Nobody is agreeing with you that your brief survey of parking
lots proves Abbott is failing. Nobody is agreeing with you regarding
Abbott manufacturing insulin.

However, some people are agreeing with you that only a fool would stay
in your current residence. Take comfort in that.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when
I USE Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

that they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax
rate when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business
from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin
Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues
before posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a
circulatory system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs
in the USA.
From 3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin?
From your inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference
to support your claim. I've posted several references that list all
the US manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the first
hundred years. Abbot may have processed porcine insulin at one time
but that's not a current technology.

Once again, Tom, nobody is agreeing with you, and others are posting
references proving you're wrong. At some point, you really should
admit that you're wrong.

Let me see if I have you correctly, nobody that knows one thing about
Abbott pharmatueticalls or has EVER seen it isn't agreeing with the
that their parking lots at all of their buildings except one that
manufactures a monitoring device disagrees with me about things that
they know nothing about?

No, Tom. Nobody is agreeing with you that your brief survey of parking
lots proves Abbott is failing. Nobody is agreeing with you regarding
Abbott manufacturing insulin.
However, some people are agreeing with you that only a fool would stay
in your current residence. Take comfort in that.

Tell us all Frank, at what point did I say that Abbott was failing? You
are getting dumber by the minute. I said that they are CLOSING the
buildings where they were manufacturing drugs, the parking lots are EMPTY
and they had all of their employees in for ONE DAY to probably to offer
them jobs to where ever they are moving the drug production site. This was
followed by moving vans emptying these buildings of equipment.

Tell me you stupidc SOB - Is there something in your brain that believes
that Flunky or Liebermann agreeing with you makes the slightest difference
to reality?

I find it difficult to believe that ANYONE would allow you as a teacher in
a classroom. Demonstrating your complete failure to understand simple
English nagates your claim to an IQ above that of a clam.

[Roger Merriman]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that
I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make
drugs when I USE
Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I
wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a
15% tax rate when
Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California
business from
2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read
Gavin Loathsone's
mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about
issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a
circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in
the USA. From
3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made
Insulin? From your
inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a
reference to support your claim. I've posted several
references that list all the US manufacturers of insulin,
Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the
first hundred years. Abbot may have processed porcine
insulin at one time but that's not a current technology.

One of my Mothers Grandfathers died from traumatic diabetes from the 1st
world war pre various medical technology and medication.

Some of my cycling club mates use the Blood sensors and phone apps and the
cycling computer ie notifications to keep an eye on the blood sugar.

Roger Merriman

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I
USE Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business
from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin
Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA.
From 3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin?
From your inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference
to support your claim. I've posted several references that list all
the US manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the first hundred
years. Abbot may have processed porcine insulin at one time but that's
not a current technology.

One of my Mothers Grandfathers died from traumatic diabetes from the 1st
world war pre various medical technology and medication.
Some of my cycling club mates use the Blood sensors and phone apps and
the cycling computer ie notifications to keep an eye on the blood sugar.
Roger Merriman

Roger, Type 1 diabetis is usually sn inherited disease. Type 2 diabetis is
from consuming so much sugar without burning it off that your insulin
receptors become immune to insulin. Riding your bike enough to burn off
the excess sugar (carbohydrates also degrade to sugar) prevents that which
is why it was usually known as a fat person disease.

As for "traumatic diabetis", this was very often caused by alcoholism
which could have been caused by PTSD which wasn't recognised as an illness
then but rather that alcoholism was a personsl choice.

Remember that the bombing of London caused MANY cases of PTSD.

[Roger Merriman]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I
USE Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business
from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin
Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA.
From 3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin?
From your inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference
to support your claim. I've posted several references that list all
the US manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the first hundred
years. Abbot may have processed porcine insulin at one time but that's
not a current technology.

One of my Mothers Grandfathers died from traumatic diabetes from the 1st
world war pre various medical technology and medication.
Some of my cycling club mates use the Blood sensors and phone apps and
the cycling computer ie notifications to keep an eye on the blood sugar.
Roger Merriman

Roger, Type 1 diabetis is usually sn inherited disease. Type 2 diabetis is
from consuming so much sugar without burning it off that your insulin
receptors become immune to insulin. Riding your bike enough to burn off
the excess sugar (carbohydrates also degrade to sugar) prevents that which
is why it was usually known as a fat person disease.

That is somewhat simplistic, while diet absolutely has a factor plenty of
others to play.

Post by Tom Kunich
As for "traumatic diabetis", this was very often caused by alcoholism
which could have been caused by PTSD which wasn't recognised as an illness
then but rather that alcoholism was a personsl choice.

No evidence of that, as he was discharged from the army on medical grounds
and seems to suggest diabetes which he died from/with.

Post by Tom Kunich
Remember that the bombing of London caused MANY cases of PTSD.

The Zeppelin while a shock wasn’t the magnitude of the Blitz some 20 years
later.

Roger Merriman

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I
USE Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business
from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin
Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA.
From 3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin?
From your inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference
to support your claim. I've posted several references that list all
the US manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the first hundred
years. Abbot may have processed porcine insulin at one time but that's
not a current technology.

One of my Mothers Grandfathers died from traumatic diabetes from the 1st
world war pre various medical technology and medication.
Some of my cycling club mates use the Blood sensors and phone apps and
the cycling computer ie notifications to keep an eye on the blood sugar.
Roger Merriman

Abbott also makes an "epipen" for emergency injections of insulin. Our
friend Flunky thinks that they buy the insulin elsewhere to fill the pens
because insulin is so hard to make. In fact. first year chemistry students
can make chemical insulin.

[AMuzi]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I
USE Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business
from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin
Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA.
From 3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin?
From your inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference
to support your claim. I've posted several references that list all
the US manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the first hundred
years. Abbot may have processed porcine insulin at one time but that's
not a current technology.

One of my Mothers Grandfathers died from traumatic diabetes from the 1st
world war pre various medical technology and medication.
Some of my cycling club mates use the Blood sensors and phone apps and
the cycling computer ie notifications to keep an eye on the blood sugar.
Roger Merriman

Abbott also makes an "epipen" for emergency injections of insulin. Our
friend Flunky thinks that they buy the insulin elsewhere to fill the pens
because insulin is so hard to make. In fact. first year chemistry students
can make chemical insulin.

Epipen is a trademark:

https://trademarks.justia.com/859/27/epipen-85927541.html

for an epinephrine delivery device. Utterly unrelated to
insulin.

[Roger Merriman]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I
USE Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business
from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin
Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA.
From 3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin?
From your inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference
to support your claim. I've posted several references that list all
the US manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the first hundred
years. Abbot may have processed porcine insulin at one time but that's
not a current technology.

One of my Mothers Grandfathers died from traumatic diabetes from the 1st
world war pre various medical technology and medication.
Some of my cycling club mates use the Blood sensors and phone apps and
the cycling computer ie notifications to keep an eye on the blood sugar.
Roger Merriman

Abbott also makes an "epipen" for emergency injections of insulin. Our
friend Flunky thinks that they buy the insulin elsewhere to fill the pens
because insulin is so hard to make. In fact. first year chemistry students
can make chemical insulin.

https://trademarks.justia.com/859/27/epipen-85927541.html
for an epinephrine delivery device. Utterly unrelated to
insulin.

Indeed! I’ve known and know folks with those!

As well as folks who use various different pens for diabetics one of which
as by product reduces one’s appetite and is a bit of fad I believe.

And lastly Tom stop digging!

Roger Merriman

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I
USE Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business
from 2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin
Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA.
From 3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin?
From your inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference
to support your claim. I've posted several references that list all
the US manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the first hundred
years. Abbot may have processed porcine insulin at one time but that's
not a current technology.

One of my Mothers Grandfathers died from traumatic diabetes from the 1st
world war pre various medical technology and medication.
Some of my cycling club mates use the Blood sensors and phone apps and
the cycling computer ie notifications to keep an eye on the blood sugar.
Roger Merriman

Abbott also makes an "epipen" for emergency injections of insulin. Our
friend Flunky thinks that they buy the insulin elsewhere to fill the pens
because insulin is so hard to make. In fact. first year chemistry students
can make chemical insulin.

Tom,
- The Epipen is filled with Epinephrine, and used for emergency
treatment in the case of anaphylaxis. I have an epipen prescription for
wasp stings. Fortunately, I've never had to use it. Also, it isn't made
by Abbot.
- Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference
to support your claim. I've posted several references that list all the
US manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I
USE Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business from
2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin
Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA. From
3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin? From your
inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference to
support your claim. I've posted several references that list all the US
manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the first hundred
years. Abbot may have processed porcine insulin at one time but that's
not a current technology.

I don't brleave that Abbott which is a HUGE pharmaceutoiocal company in
virtuaolly every country in the world doesn't manufacture the highest
selling pharmaceutical. For crying out loud, they make my medicine which
is almost invisible in the market.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle
On 10/7/2024 3:15 PM, Tom Kunich proving once again that I live rent

We EVEN had Flunky telling us that Abbott didn't make drugs when I
USE Abbott drugs to prevent seizures.

No, tommy, I never wrote that Abbot doesn't make drugs. I wrote that
they don't make insulin.

What complete idiot would remain in California with a 15% tax rate
when Texas or Florida or Arizona have zero?

Well, you're still there....

And what in the hell does Flunky know about California business from
2,500 miles away? Or does he believe that he can read Gavin
Loathsone's mind with Google Earth like Liebermann does?

It's simple, dumbass. I actually try to read up about issues before
posting nonsense that turns out not to be true.

It must sure be hell to be as stupid as you. Insulin is a circulatory
system drug and one of the largest manufactured drugs in the USA. From
3what do you derive the idea that Abbott never made Insulin? From your
inablity to read?

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference to
support your claim. I've posted several references that list all the US
manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

+1
Insulin products are utterly different now than from the first hundred
years. Abbot may have processed porcine insulin at one time but that's
not a current technology.

I don't brleave that Abbott which is a HUGE pharmaceutoiocal company in
virtuaolly every country in the world doesn't manufacture the highest
selling pharmaceutical. For crying out loud, they make my medicine which
is almost invisible in the market.

Abbott does not make insulin. If you think they do, show a reference to
support your claim. I've posted several references that list all the US
manufacturers of insulin, Abbott is not one of them.

[zen cycle]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom

Abott has three buildings in Alameda...

2321 N Loop Rd, Alameda, CA 94502 or Harbor Bay Pkwy, Alameda, CA
94502
I couldn't find a 3rd location. Are you talking about the Fairfield
"Abbott Laboratories in Fairfield to close"
<https://www.thereporter.com/2024/04/12/abbott-laboratories-in-

fairfield-to-close/>

Post by cyclintom

Google maps claims that the Harbor Bay Parkway address "might" be
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/isPuo7a3gE4r3FKd6>

There are TWO buildings on Harbor Bay Parkway.

Wrong. They are 1800 ft apart, as the crow flies or 0.4 miles apart by
car.
<https://maps.app.goo.gl/h2rnmqAZBgFVSSoU8>
Building that far apart usually have different postal delivery
addresses.

Post by cyclintom
Since they are the same company why woold they need more than one
mailing address, The building on North Loop may also be more than one
building since I never rode back into the lot. But you're not even smart
enough to know that only one of the buildings needs a mailing address.
Liebermann, the very fact that you looked that up shows what a stupid
moron you are/

Look at the above Google map link. You don't know the address, don't
know how to find the address, and continue to be vague about which
building(s) had empty parking lots. You also ignored my questions about
which of the two addresses had the empty parking lot and whether you
were referring to the Fairfield location, which you should be able to
answer without a personal visit or Google search. In other words, you
didn't even bother to read what I wrote, much less attempt a useful
reply. This seems to be a repeat performance of your recent "deep mud"
replies, where you do your best to prevent anyone from producing a
rational explanation, unless it exactly coincides with your imaginative
claims.

I know that you cannot stop yourself from talking about things that you
don't know about but there are TWO buildings that belong to Abbott on
Airport. I just rode them three hours ago and double checked to make sure
I wasn't mistaken. Both 2390 and 2901 belong to Abbott and have their
names out in front and there is a third on Southloop Dr. There may be
another building there as well but I didn't look closely.
The question really is why can't you stop yourself from simply lying about
anything and everything where you've never been and know nothing about?
Exactly what is wrong in your mind that you HAVE to prove me wrong about
anything and everything you know absolutely nothing about.
Do you believe that you're somehow going to prove to me that you're not
one of life's failures? The fact that I'm well to do and you're on welfare
disproves that without another word. Sorry Liebermann but you're stupid.
Maybe you can get Flunky to play kissy - sucky with you. He still hasn't
convinced me that he isn't a queer since he talks just like one.

Jute list #1. Repeatedly accusing people of being "queer". He's a
closeted queer, afraid people will find out.

[zen cycle]

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Post by cyclintom
The Abbott parking lots remain empty after that single day of being full and the following day when equipment was being removed. Cooking drugs is a 24 hour business and you would expect at least a quarter of the parking lot to be full at all times. Over the weekend I rode throught them twice and they were completely empty except for empty security vehicles.

Abbot in Alameda is alive and well. They don't make drugs there, they
make personal diabetes monitoring equipment, and they still have 98 job
openings listed, none of which are pharmacological, they're all
electronic R&D and business/marketing based
https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31093265/Senior-Design-Product-Development-Engineer
https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31094773/Manager-Market-Analytics-and-Insights
You went there on weekends when people aren't working. Try going back on
a tuesday.
idiot.

Post by cyclintom
Also all along the Airport Blvd, the industrial buildings all appear to be lined with For Sale signs The restaurant that is out there and the Chinese church behind it are doing well. The Raiders practice field has finally lost the "Raiders" sign. Peets Coffee building appears to be the same though it has a lower amoung of cars parked there. The building I used to work in had the entire front redesigned but there doesn't seem to be any occupant.
More noticeable is that the cars passing are not in a hurry. This means that they are only returning fron stores and what-not and not doing to work, The Ferry that goes to San Francisco as a commutter transportation is fullo but I'm not sure why. The last time I was in San Francisco even the restaurants for which the city was famous were being put out of business since people could not afford to eat out.
There was a beer bsr that used to be quite actice and the last time I went by it too was closed.
Gavin Loathsome after supposring legalizing majiuana is not trying to reverse himself and convince parents that pot is bad. Too late, 12 year olds now have all they want. You can get it on-line.

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Abott has three buildings in Alameda, perhaps 4. Flunky, apparently believes that Insulin isn't a very large part of diebetis car.

They don't make insulin there, dumbass. They make glucose monitors.

Post by cyclintom
And he offered no reason why the parking lots should be empty for at least two weeks.

They aren't. You rode through on a weekend. Try tuesday at 10 AM.

Post by cyclintom
aybe diabetis was put on hold?

[cyclintom]

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Post by cyclintom
The Abbott parking lots remain empty after that single day of being full and the following day when equipment was being removed. Cooking drugs is a 24 hour business and you would expect at least a quarter of the parking lot to be full at all times. Over the weekend I rode throught them twice and they were completely empty except for empty security vehicles.

Abbot in Alameda is alive and well. They don't make drugs there, they
make personal diabetes monitoring equipment, and they still have 98 job
openings listed, none of which are pharmacological, they're all
electronic R&D and business/marketing based
https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31093265/Senior-Design-Product-Development-Engineer
https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31094773/Manager-Market-Analytics-and-Insights
You went there on weekends when people aren't working. Try going back on
a tuesday.
idiot.

Post by cyclintom
Also all along the Airport Blvd, the industrial buildings all appear to be lined with For Sale signs The restaurant that is out there and the Chinese church behind it are doing well. The Raiders practice field has finally lost the "Raiders" sign. Peets Coffee building appears to be the same though it has a lower amoung of cars parked there. The building I used to work in had the entire front redesigned but there doesn't seem to be any occupant.
More noticeable is that the cars passing are not in a hurry. This means that they are only returning fron stores and what-not and not doing to work, The Ferry that goes to San Francisco as a commutter transportation is fullo but I'm not sure why. The last time I was in San Francisco even the restaurants for which the city was famous were being put out of business since people could not afford to eat out.
There was a beer bsr that used to be quite actice and the last time I went by it too was closed.
Gavin Loathsome after supposring legalizing majiuana is not trying to reverse himself and convince parents that pot is bad. Too late, 12 year olds now have all they want. You can get it on-line.

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Abott has three buildings in Alameda, perhaps 4. Flunky, apparently believes that Insulin isn't a very large part of diebetis car.

They don't make insulin there, dumbass. They make glucose monitors.

Post by cyclintom
And he offered no reason why the parking lots should be empty for at least two weeks.

They aren't. You rode through on a weekend. Try tuesday at 10 AM.

Post by cyclintom
aybe diabetis was put on hold?

Tell everyone here what you know about Abbott and how? Let us assume you're correct and that all they do is produce glucose monitors there which would take 10% of the personel. Why were the parking lots empty during the week for two or three weeks? was there overproduction of glucose monitors and they laid everyone off for three weeks? The fact is that you don't have any idea what they are doing there but you can say anything because that is what you are. Don't worry, your secret that you're not an EE is perfectly safe with me. If the people that you work for aren't bright enough to not notice that you're not doing anything, they deserve what they have.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom
Tell everyone here what you know about Abbott and how?

You should do that too, Tom.

ISTM riding by a parking lot isn't an effective way of learning about a
corporation's workings.

Post by cyclintom
Let us assume you're correct and that all they do is produce glucose monitors there which would take 10% of the personel. Why were the parking lots empty during the week for two or three weeks? was there overproduction of glucose monitors and they laid everyone off for three weeks?

Tom, give us the answers to your questions. You're the one claiming
psychic knowledge.

[cyclintom]

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Post by cyclintom
Tell everyone here what you know about Abbott and how?

You should do that too, Tom.
ISTM riding by a parking lot isn't an effective way of learning about a
corporation's workings.

Post by cyclintom
Let us assume you're correct and that all they do is produce glucose monitors there which would take 10% of the personel. Why were the parking lots empty during the week for two or three weeks? was there overproduction of glucose monitors and they laid everyone off for three weeks?

Tom, give us the answers to your questions. You're the one claiming
psychic knowledge.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Since the entire question was about those parking lots being empty for three weeks maybe someone with the intellect of an insect would know that the parking lots are in question and not the business of Abbott which is a pharmaceutical company.

[zen cycle]

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Post by cyclintom
The Abbott parking lots remain empty after that single day of being full and the following day when equipment was being removed. Cooking drugs is a 24 hour business and you would expect at least a quarter of the parking lot to be full at all times. Over the weekend I rode throught them twice and they were completely empty except for empty security vehicles.

Abbot in Alameda is alive and well. They don't make drugs there, they
make personal diabetes monitoring equipment, and they still have 98 job
openings listed, none of which are pharmacological, they're all
electronic R&D and business/marketing based
https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31093265/Senior-Design-Product-Development-Engineer
https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31094773/Manager-Market-Analytics-and-Insights
You went there on weekends when people aren't working. Try going back on
a tuesday.
idiot.

Post by cyclintom
Also all along the Airport Blvd, the industrial buildings all appear to be lined with For Sale signs The restaurant that is out there and the Chinese church behind it are doing well. The Raiders practice field has finally lost the "Raiders" sign. Peets Coffee building appears to be the same though it has a lower amoung of cars parked there. The building I used to work in had the entire front redesigned but there doesn't seem to be any occupant.
More noticeable is that the cars passing are not in a hurry. This means that they are only returning fron stores and what-not and not doing to work, The Ferry that goes to San Francisco as a commutter transportation is fullo but I'm not sure why. The last time I was in San Francisco even the restaurants for which the city was famous were being put out of business since people could not afford to eat out.
There was a beer bsr that used to be quite actice and the last time I went by it too was closed.
Gavin Loathsome after supposring legalizing majiuana is not trying to reverse himself and convince parents that pot is bad. Too late, 12 year olds now have all they want. You can get it on-line.

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Abott has three buildings in Alameda, perhaps 4. Flunky, apparently believes that Insulin isn't a very large part of diebetis car.

They don't make insulin there, dumbass. They make glucose monitors.

Post by cyclintom
And he offered no reason why the parking lots should be empty for at least two weeks.

They aren't. You rode through on a weekend. Try tuesday at 10 AM.

Post by cyclintom
aybe diabetis was put on hold?

Tell everyone here what you know about Abbott and how?

By reading about them online. It's easy, you might want to try it sometime.

Post by cyclintom
Let us assume you're correct and that all they do is produce glucose monitors there which would take 10% of the personnel.

It's core functions are as a R&D and business/marketing center for their
glucose monitor segment. I've provided those active job openings for
you. It's no surprise that the actual manufacturing group isn't the
majority of their personnel, that's generally the way high-tech
facilities in the US are set-up these days, but 10% is merely another
amazing fact that you pulled out of your ass.

Post by cyclintom
Why were the parking lots empty during the week for two or three weeks? was there overproduction of glucose monitors and they laid everyone off for three weeks?

The lots weren't empty for three weeks. You admitted you rode through
_once_ on a sunday.

Post by cyclintom
The fact is that you don't have any idea what they are doing there but you can say anything because that is what you are.

Their core business is readily available on the internet. Here, let me
help you out:

https://www.abbott.com/contact.html

"Diabetes Care

Giving people with diabetes the freedom to monitor and track their
glucose levels continuously without the pain of fingersticks

Abbott Diabetes Care
1360 South Loop Road
Alameda, CA 94502
Phone: [phone]"

Besides that, you flaming dolt, Abbott doesn't manufacture insulin.

https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/understanding-the-insulin-market/

"There are 3 primary insulin manufacturers in the U.S. market—Eli Lilly,
Novo Nordisk, and Sanofi—that represent over 90 percent of the global
insulin market and produce almost 100 percent of the insulin supply in
the United States."

Post by cyclintom
Don't worry, your secret that you're not an EE is perfectly safe with me.

Yes, it's such a closely held 'secret' that you're the only one who
'knows' it - even I don't 'know' that!

Post by cyclintom
If the people that you work for aren't bright enough to not notice that you're not doing anything, they deserve what they have.

Sure sparky, in an 8 person department, my work output of 0 goes
unnoticed <chuckle>.

[cyclintom]

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Post by cyclintom
The Abbott parking lots remain empty after that single day of being full and the following day when equipment was being removed. Cooking drugs is a 24 hour business and you would expect at least a quarter of the parking lot to be full at all times. Over the weekend I rode throught them twice and they were completely empty except for empty security vehicles.

Abbot in Alameda is alive and well. They don't make drugs there, they
make personal diabetes monitoring equipment, and they still have 98 job
openings listed, none of which are pharmacological, they're all
electronic R&D and business/marketing based
https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31093265/Senior-Design-Product-Development-Engineer
https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31094773/Manager-Market-Analytics-and-Insights
You went there on weekends when people aren't working. Try going back on
a tuesday.
idiot.

Post by cyclintom
Also all along the Airport Blvd, the industrial buildings all appear to be lined with For Sale signs The restaurant that is out there and the Chinese church behind it are doing well. The Raiders practice field has finally lost the "Raiders" sign. Peets Coffee building appears to be the same though it has a lower amoung of cars parked there. The building I used to work in had the entire front redesigned but there doesn't seem to be any occupant.
More noticeable is that the cars passing are not in a hurry. This means that they are only returning fron stores and what-not and not doing to work, The Ferry that goes to San Francisco as a commutter transportation is fullo but I'm not sure why. The last time I was in San Francisco even the restaurants for which the city was famous were being put out of business since people could not afford to eat out.
There was a beer bsr that used to be quite actice and the last time I went by it too was closed.
Gavin Loathsome after supposring legalizing majiuana is not trying to reverse himself and convince parents that pot is bad. Too late, 12 year olds now have all they want. You can get it on-line.

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Add xx to reply

Abott has three buildings in Alameda, perhaps 4. Flunky, apparently believes that Insulin isn't a very large part of diebetis car.

They don't make insulin there, dumbass. They make glucose monitors.

Post by cyclintom
And he offered no reason why the parking lots should be empty for at least two weeks.

They aren't. You rode through on a weekend. Try tuesday at 10 AM.

Post by cyclintom
aybe diabetis was put on hold?

Tell everyone here what you know about Abbott and how?

By reading about them online. It's easy, you might want to try it sometime.

Post by cyclintom
Let us assume you're correct and that all they do is produce glucose monitors there which would take 10% of the personnel.

It's core functions are as a R&D and business/marketing center for their
glucose monitor segment. I've provided those active job openings for
you. It's no surprise that the actual manufacturing group isn't the
majority of their personnel, that's generally the way high-tech
facilities in the US are set-up these days, but 10% is merely another
amazing fact that you pulled out of your ass.

Post by cyclintom
Why were the parking lots empty during the week for two or three weeks? was there overproduction of glucose monitors and they laid everyone off for three weeks?

The lots weren't empty for three weeks. You admitted you rode through
_once_ on a sunday.

Post by cyclintom
The fact is that you don't have any idea what they are doing there but you can say anything because that is what you are.

Their core business is readily available on the internet. Here, let me
https://www.abbott.com/contact.html
"Diabetes Care
Giving people with diabetes the freedom to monitor and track their
glucose levels continuously without the pain of fingersticks
Abbott Diabetes Care
1360 South Loop Road
Alameda, CA 94502
Phone: [phone]"
Besides that, you flaming dolt, Abbott doesn't manufacture insulin.
https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/understanding-the-insulin-market/
"There are 3 primary insulin manufacturers in the U.S. market?Eli Lilly,
Novo Nordisk, and Sanofi?that represent over 90 percent of the global
insulin market and produce almost 100 percent of the insulin supply in
the United States."

Post by cyclintom
Don't worry, your secret that you're not an EE is perfectly safe with me.

Yes, it's such a closely held 'secret' that you're the only one who
'knows' it - even I don't 'know' that!

Post by cyclintom
If the people that you work for aren't bright enough to not notice that you're not doing anything, they deserve what they have.

Sure sparky, in an 8 person department, my work output of 0 goes
unnoticed <chuckle>.

I can assume how many people it takes to do things because I have woeked at being an electronics engineer and you haven't. All you can do it lie about the importance of being a QC paperwork sign-off wonk. I find it interesting how you want to kiss and hug Liebermann when he tells us all about places he has never been before abnd can't afford to go. Phonyness is both of your passwords.

As for your usual dreaming of other comapanies having 90% of an insulin market. That is a 20 billion market and even if other companies did have 90% which is doubtful since it has to be FRESH, that would leave a mere 2 Billion per year to Abbott.

[zen cycle]

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Post by cyclintom
The Abbott parking lots remain empty after that single day of being full and the following day when equipment was being removed. Cooking drugs is a 24 hour business and you would expect at least a quarter of the parking lot to be full at all times. Over the weekend I rode throught them twice and they were completely empty except for empty security vehicles.

Abbot in Alameda is alive and well. They don't make drugs there, they
make personal diabetes monitoring equipment, and they still have 98 job
openings listed, none of which are pharmacological, they're all
electronic R&D and business/marketing based
https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31093265/Senior-Design-Product-Development-Engineer
https://www.jobs.abbott/us/en/job/31094773/Manager-Market-Analytics-and-Insights
You went there on weekends when people aren't working. Try going back on
a tuesday.
idiot.

Post by cyclintom
Also all along the Airport Blvd, the industrial buildings all appear to be lined with For Sale signs The restaurant that is out there and the Chinese church behind it are doing well. The Raiders practice field has finally lost the "Raiders" sign. Peets Coffee building appears to be the same though it has a lower amoung of cars parked there. The building I used to work in had the entire front redesigned but there doesn't seem to be any occupant.
More noticeable is that the cars passing are not in a hurry. This means that they are only returning fron stores and what-not and not doing to work, The Ferry that goes to San Francisco as a commutter transportation is fullo but I'm not sure why. The last time I was in San Francisco even the restaurants for which the city was famous were being put out of business since people could not afford to eat out.
There was a beer bsr that used to be quite actice and the last time I went by it too was closed.
Gavin Loathsome after supposring legalizing majiuana is not trying to reverse himself and convince parents that pot is bad. Too late, 12 year olds now have all they want. You can get it on-line.

--
Add xx to reply

Abott has three buildings in Alameda, perhaps 4. Flunky, apparently believes that Insulin isn't a very large part of diebetis car.

They don't make insulin there, dumbass. They make glucose monitors.

Post by cyclintom
And he offered no reason why the parking lots should be empty for at least two weeks.

They aren't. You rode through on a weekend. Try tuesday at 10 AM.

Post by cyclintom
aybe diabetis was put on hold?

Tell everyone here what you know about Abbott and how?

By reading about them online. It's easy, you might want to try it sometime.

Post by cyclintom
Let us assume you're correct and that all they do is produce glucose monitors there which would take 10% of the personnel.

It's core functions are as a R&D and business/marketing center for their
glucose monitor segment. I've provided those active job openings for
you. It's no surprise that the actual manufacturing group isn't the
majority of their personnel, that's generally the way high-tech
facilities in the US are set-up these days, but 10% is merely another
amazing fact that you pulled out of your ass.

Post by cyclintom
Why were the parking lots empty during the week for two or three weeks? was there overproduction of glucose monitors and they laid everyone off for three weeks?

The lots weren't empty for three weeks. You admitted you rode through
_once_ on a sunday.

Post by cyclintom
The fact is that you don't have any idea what they are doing there but you can say anything because that is what you are.

Their core business is readily available on the internet. Here, let me
https://www.abbott.com/contact.html
"Diabetes Care
Giving people with diabetes the freedom to monitor and track their
glucose levels continuously without the pain of fingersticks
Abbott Diabetes Care
1360 South Loop Road
Alameda, CA 94502
Phone: [phone]"
Besides that, you flaming dolt, Abbott doesn't manufacture insulin.
https://www.americanactionforum.org/research/understanding-the-insulin-market/
"There are 3 primary insulin manufacturers in the U.S. market?Eli Lilly,
Novo Nordisk, and Sanofi?that represent over 90 percent of the global
insulin market and produce almost 100 percent of the insulin supply in
the United States."

Post by cyclintom
Don't worry, your secret that you're not an EE is perfectly safe with me.

Yes, it's such a closely held 'secret' that you're the only one who
'knows' it - even I don't 'know' that!

Post by cyclintom
If the people that you work for aren't bright enough to not notice that you're not doing anything, they deserve what they have.

Sure sparky, in an 8 person department, my work output of 0 goes
unnoticed <chuckle>.

I can assume how many people it takes to do things because I have woeked at being an electronics engineer and you haven't.

Funny, my boss and co-workers seem to think differently

Post by cyclintom
All you can do it lie about the importance of being a QC paperwork sign-off wonk. I find it interesting how you want to kiss and hug Liebermann when he tells us all about places he has never been before abnd can't afford to go. Phonyness is both of your passwords.

And yet, all you have are claims with no corroboration. Every available
reference disagrees with you - and you want to bring up "phoniness"?

Post by cyclintom
As for your usual dreaming of other comapanies having 90% of an insulin market.

Not my dream, I posted a reference confirming it as a fact. Here's
another reference showing Abbot is not a manufacturer of insulin In
addition to the previously posted link

https://www.mordorintelligence.com/industry-reports/north-america-insulin-market

"In the United States, there are no other players except Novo Nordisk,
Sanofi, and Eli Lilly."

Post by cyclintom
That is a 20 billion market

and as usual, you pull another amazing fact out of your ass, refer to
the link above.

Post by cyclintom
and even if other companies did have 90% which is doubtful since it has to be FRESH
that would leave a mere 2 Billion per year to Abbott.

Abbot doesn't make insulin. If you think they do, provide a link that
proves so.

Face it sparky, you're wrong, yet again.