40 Miles and 2200 feet of climbing

[cyclintom]

With the wheel and cadence sensors on the bike now, the ride out to Pleasanton and back was a little longer and I came back over Fairmont Hill which added another 200 feet of climbing at 8% near the top where strangely it looks like it is flattening out.

For the last year I have 4250 miles though january-March were high mileage and that was before my slow riding came into the picture.I am still climbing anywhere I want to go but it is increasingly slow. I was hoping that it was because I couldn't get rid of the winter weight gain I get every year but my weight hasn't changed a lot and without hill roads it apears that it is probably simply because I haven't been able to put in enough hard rides.

Gavin Loathsome has been putting millions into the Train to Nowhere, but not one cent into repairing the destroyed roads.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by cyclintom
Gavin Loathsome has been putting millions into the Train to Nowhere, but not one cent into repairing the destroyed roads.

"The 2024-25 Budget - Transportation Budget Solutions"
<https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4854>
"State funding primarily comes from various fuel taxes and vehicle
fees that are dedicated to specific transportation purposes. In
2024-25, total state transportation funding from these sources is
estimated to be $14.6 billion. (This does not include revenues from
vehicle fees that support the Department of Motor Vehicles and the
California Highway Patrol.) Most of this funding is dedicated to
maintaining, rehabilitating, and improving state highways and local
streets and roads, with a smaller amount supporting transit operations
and capital improvements."

The funding is rather complexicated, but should be more than one cent.
Note that the state is not responsible for maintaining city and
country roads. I suspect that the paved roads that you ride on are
mostly city maintained while the dirt roads found in unincorporated
areas are county maintained. However, if you ride on a state highway,
it's most certainly maintained by the state of California.

[cyclintom]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
Gavin Loathsome has been putting millions into the Train to Nowhere, but not one cent into repairing the destroyed roads.

"The 2024-25 Budget - Transportation Budget Solutions"
<https://lao.ca.gov/Publications/Report/4854>
"State funding primarily comes from various fuel taxes and vehicle
fees that are dedicated to specific transportation purposes. In
2024-25, total state transportation funding from these sources is
estimated to be $14.6 billion. (This does not include revenues from
vehicle fees that support the Department of Motor Vehicles and the
California Highway Patrol.) Most of this funding is dedicated to
maintaining, rehabilitating, and improving state highways and local
streets and roads, with a smaller amount supporting transit operations
and capital improvements."
The funding is rather complexicated, but should be more than one cent.
Note that the state is not responsible for maintaining city and
country roads. I suspect that the paved roads that you ride on are
mostly city maintained while the dirt roads found in unincorporated
areas are county maintained. However, if you ride on a state highway,
it's most certainly maintained by the state of California.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Liebermann, you make the term "Damneed fool" entirely inadequate.There isn't one thing that you've ever posted that has ever been right.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by cyclintom
There isn't one thing that you've ever posted that has ever been right.

That's partly true. Politically, I sometimes lean to the right, but
more often prefer the left.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
There isn't one thing that you've ever posted that has ever been right.

That's partly true. Politically, I sometimes lean to the right, but
more often prefer the left.

That's funny, I thought it was the other way around.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
There isn't one thing that you've ever posted that has ever been right.

That's partly true. Politically, I sometimes lean to the right, but
more often prefer the left.

That's funny, I thought it was the other way around.

Overall, I mostly voted for Democrats. I'm a registered Republican,
which I assume is now considered the legislative right wing. I just
finished voting by mail. I made my usual uninformed decision in my
usual manner. I don't care which party they represent. If they
advocate or promise something I believe is a good thing and don't
promise and impossibility, then I'll vote for them. If I don't
understand any of the candidates ranting and can't find better
information on the interknot, I leave the office blank on the
assumption that a bad guess would be a bad thing. When I was done, I
discovered that I had voted mostly for Democratic party candidates. On
the state and local propositions, I voted no on all but one because
few of the propositions offered an improvement over the existing
situation or that the cost of a genuine improvement was too much.

In the distant past, the left and right labels were fairly easy to
understand. Each party had a platform full of promises. If elected,
they would ignore those promises and adopt whatever the other party
advocated. The Republicans hide their platform which is only 28 pages
long:
<https://prod-static.gop.com/media/RNC2024-Platform.pdf>
while the Democrats have 92 pages of rhetoric which promises
everything for everyone:
<https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/2024_Democratic_Party_Platform_8a2cf8.pdf>
The Green party is refreshingly specific, but favors changes that I
think are best ignored:
<https://www.gp.org/platform>
Let's not forget the American Communist Party, which predictably
advocates a communist agenda funded by "tax the rich":
<https://www.cpusa.org/article/cpusa-2024-election-platform/>

We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

[AMuzi]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
There isn't one thing that you've ever posted that has ever been right.

That's partly true. Politically, I sometimes lean to the right, but
more often prefer the left.

That's funny, I thought it was the other way around.

Overall, I mostly voted for Democrats. I'm a registered Republican,
which I assume is now considered the legislative right wing. I just
finished voting by mail. I made my usual uninformed decision in my
usual manner. I don't care which party they represent. If they
advocate or promise something I believe is a good thing and don't
promise and impossibility, then I'll vote for them. If I don't
understand any of the candidates ranting and can't find better
information on the interknot, I leave the office blank on the
assumption that a bad guess would be a bad thing. When I was done, I
discovered that I had voted mostly for Democratic party candidates. On
the state and local propositions, I voted no on all but one because
few of the propositions offered an improvement over the existing
situation or that the cost of a genuine improvement was too much.
In the distant past, the left and right labels were fairly easy to
understand. Each party had a platform full of promises. If elected,
they would ignore those promises and adopt whatever the other party
advocated. The Republicans hide their platform which is only 28 pages
<https://prod-static.gop.com/media/RNC2024-Platform.pdf>
while the Democrats have 92 pages of rhetoric which promises
<https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/2024_Democratic_Party_Platform_8a2cf8.pdf>
The Green party is refreshingly specific, but favors changes that I
<https://www.gp.org/platform>
Let's not forget the American Communist Party, which predictably
<https://www.cpusa.org/article/cpusa-2024-election-platform/>
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

My own peeve, which I will confront again tomorrow morning
at 7:00 on several ballot lines, is people who will run
unopposed. I can't do it, preferring to write in someone,
anyone.

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
There isn't one thing that you've ever posted that has ever been right.

That's partly true. Politically, I sometimes lean to the right, but
more often prefer the left.

That's funny, I thought it was the other way around.

Overall, I mostly voted for Democrats. I'm a registered Republican,
which I assume is now considered the legislative right wing. I just
finished voting by mail. I made my usual uninformed decision in my
usual manner. I don't care which party they represent. If they
advocate or promise something I believe is a good thing and don't
promise and impossibility, then I'll vote for them. If I don't
understand any of the candidates ranting and can't find better
information on the interknot, I leave the office blank on the
assumption that a bad guess would be a bad thing. When I was done, I
discovered that I had voted mostly for Democratic party candidates. On
the state and local propositions, I voted no on all but one because
few of the propositions offered an improvement over the existing
situation or that the cost of a genuine improvement was too much.
In the distant past, the left and right labels were fairly easy to
understand. Each party had a platform full of promises. If elected,
they would ignore those promises and adopt whatever the other party
advocated. The Republicans hide their platform which is only 28 pages
<https://prod-static.gop.com/media/RNC2024-Platform.pdf>
while the Democrats have 92 pages of rhetoric which promises
<https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/2024_Democratic_Party_Platform_8a2cf8.pdf>
The Green party is refreshingly specific, but favors changes that I
<https://www.gp.org/platform>
Let's not forget the American Communist Party, which predictably
<https://www.cpusa.org/article/cpusa-2024-election-platform/>
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

My own peeve, which I will confront again tomorrow morning
at 7:00 on several ballot lines, is people who will run
unopposed. I can't do it, preferring to write in someone,
anyone.

I hate voting because it almost always requires voting for people I
don't like. I put it off until it has to be done and then I hold my
nose.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[AMuzi]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by AMuzi

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
There isn't one thing that you've ever posted that has ever been right.

That's partly true. Politically, I sometimes lean to the right, but
more often prefer the left.

That's funny, I thought it was the other way around.

Overall, I mostly voted for Democrats. I'm a registered Republican,
which I assume is now considered the legislative right wing. I just
finished voting by mail. I made my usual uninformed decision in my
usual manner. I don't care which party they represent. If they
advocate or promise something I believe is a good thing and don't
promise and impossibility, then I'll vote for them. If I don't
understand any of the candidates ranting and can't find better
information on the interknot, I leave the office blank on the
assumption that a bad guess would be a bad thing. When I was done, I
discovered that I had voted mostly for Democratic party candidates. On
the state and local propositions, I voted no on all but one because
few of the propositions offered an improvement over the existing
situation or that the cost of a genuine improvement was too much.
In the distant past, the left and right labels were fairly easy to
understand. Each party had a platform full of promises. If elected,
they would ignore those promises and adopt whatever the other party
advocated. The Republicans hide their platform which is only 28 pages
<https://prod-static.gop.com/media/RNC2024-Platform.pdf>
while the Democrats have 92 pages of rhetoric which promises
<https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/2024_Democratic_Party_Platform_8a2cf8.pdf>
The Green party is refreshingly specific, but favors changes that I
<https://www.gp.org/platform>
Let's not forget the American Communist Party, which predictably
<https://www.cpusa.org/article/cpusa-2024-election-platform/>
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

My own peeve, which I will confront again tomorrow morning
at 7:00 on several ballot lines, is people who will run
unopposed. I can't do it, preferring to write in someone,
anyone.

I hate voting because it almost always requires voting for people I
don't like. I put it off until it has to be done and then I hold my
nose.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Well, yes there's sometimes that. But no general rule.

My Congressman, for example is great and I look forward to
returning him tomorrow. My State Assembly rep OTOH, same
party, is a placeholder much more interested in fund raising
at golf outings and boat outings than actual legislation.

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by AMuzi

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
There isn't one thing that you've ever posted that has ever been right.

That's partly true. Politically, I sometimes lean to the right, but
more often prefer the left.

That's funny, I thought it was the other way around.

Overall, I mostly voted for Democrats. I'm a registered Republican,
which I assume is now considered the legislative right wing. I just
finished voting by mail. I made my usual uninformed decision in my
usual manner. I don't care which party they represent. If they
advocate or promise something I believe is a good thing and don't
promise and impossibility, then I'll vote for them. If I don't
understand any of the candidates ranting and can't find better
information on the interknot, I leave the office blank on the
assumption that a bad guess would be a bad thing. When I was done, I
discovered that I had voted mostly for Democratic party candidates. On
the state and local propositions, I voted no on all but one because
few of the propositions offered an improvement over the existing
situation or that the cost of a genuine improvement was too much.
In the distant past, the left and right labels were fairly easy to
understand. Each party had a platform full of promises. If elected,
they would ignore those promises and adopt whatever the other party
advocated. The Republicans hide their platform which is only 28 pages
<https://prod-static.gop.com/media/RNC2024-Platform.pdf>
while the Democrats have 92 pages of rhetoric which promises
<https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/2024_Democratic_Party_Platform_8a2cf8.pdf>
The Green party is refreshingly specific, but favors changes that I
<https://www.gp.org/platform>
Let's not forget the American Communist Party, which predictably
<https://www.cpusa.org/article/cpusa-2024-election-platform/>
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

My own peeve, which I will confront again tomorrow morning
at 7:00 on several ballot lines, is people who will run
unopposed. I can't do it, preferring to write in someone,
anyone.

I hate voting because it almost always requires voting for people I
don't like. I put it off until it has to be done and then I hold my
nose.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Well, yes there's sometimes that. But no general rule.
My Congressman, for example is great and I look forward to
returning him tomorrow. My State Assembly rep OTOH, same
party, is a placeholder much more interested in fund raising
at golf outings and boat outings than actual legislation.

The best I can say is that there are a few I'll be comfortable voting
for. My Congressman is Ok, but he's not outstanding. As for the
election in general, it doesn't appear that it's going to cause me any
major problems. I'll live with whatever happens.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 09:21:40 -0500, Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
There isn't one thing that you've ever posted that has ever been right.

That's partly true. Politically, I sometimes lean to the right,
but more often prefer the left.

That's funny, I thought it was the other way around.

Overall, I mostly voted for Democrats. I'm a registered Republican,
which I assume is now considered the legislative right wing. I just
finished voting by mail. I made my usual uninformed decision in my
usual manner. I don't care which party they represent. If they
advocate or promise something I believe is a good thing and don't
promise and impossibility, then I'll vote for them. If I don't
understand any of the candidates ranting and can't find better
information on the interknot, I leave the office blank on the
assumption that a bad guess would be a bad thing. When I was done,
I discovered that I had voted mostly for Democratic party
candidates. On the state and local propositions, I voted no on all
but one because few of the propositions offered an improvement over
the existing situation or that the cost of a genuine improvement was
too much.
In the distant past, the left and right labels were fairly easy to
understand. Each party had a platform full of promises. If elected,
they would ignore those promises and adopt whatever the other party
advocated. The Republicans hide their platform which is only 28
<https://prod-static.gop.com/media/RNC2024-Platform.pdf>
while the Democrats have 92 pages of rhetoric which promises
<https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/

2024/09/2024_Democratic_Party_Platform_8a2cf8.pdf>

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

The Green party is refreshingly specific, but favors changes that I
<https://www.gp.org/platform>
Let's not forget the American Communist Party, which predictably
<https://www.cpusa.org/article/cpusa-2024-election-platform/>
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits,
protesters and rioters return home.

My own peeve, which I will confront again tomorrow morning at 7:00 on
several ballot lines, is people who will run unopposed. I can't do
it, preferring to write in someone, anyone.

I hate voting because it almost always requires voting for people I
don't like. I put it off until it has to be done and then I hold my
nose.
--
C'est bon Soloman

Well, yes there's sometimes that. But no general rule.
My Congressman, for example is great and I look forward to returning him
tomorrow. My State Assembly rep OTOH, same party, is a placeholder much
more interested in fund raising at golf outings and boat outings than
actual legislation.

The best I can say is that there are a few I'll be comfortable voting
for. My Congressman is Ok, but he's not outstanding. As for the election
in general, it doesn't appear that it's going to cause me any major
problems. I'll live with whatever happens.

It looks like the Slime Stream Media are about to lose their licences. And
a bunch of DA's using Lawfare are about to lose their licences as well.
The FBI and CIA are about to be put on trial and the IRS is going to lose
their funding. Krygowski's dream of a fascist state is falling apart as we
read these comments. Flunky will soon find himsel excess baggage. Maybe he
can get one of those 113 job openings at Abbott in Alameda? Then let his
manager ask him who is winning the bicycle race on his desktop instead of
working.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
There isn't one thing that you've ever posted that has ever been right.

That's partly true. Politically, I sometimes lean to the right, but
more often prefer the left.

That's funny, I thought it was the other way around.

Overall, I mostly voted for Democrats. I'm a registered Republican,
which I assume is now considered the legislative right wing. I just
finished voting by mail. I made my usual uninformed decision in my
usual manner. I don't care which party they represent. If they
advocate or promise something I believe is a good thing and don't
promise and impossibility, then I'll vote for them. If I don't
understand any of the candidates ranting and can't find better
information on the interknot, I leave the office blank on the
assumption that a bad guess would be a bad thing. When I was done, I
discovered that I had voted mostly for Democratic party candidates. On
the state and local propositions, I voted no on all but one because
few of the propositions offered an improvement over the existing
situation or that the cost of a genuine improvement was too much.
In the distant past, the left and right labels were fairly easy to
understand. Each party had a platform full of promises. If elected,
they would ignore those promises and adopt whatever the other party
advocated. The Republicans hide their platform which is only 28 pages
<https://prod-static.gop.com/media/RNC2024-Platform.pdf>
while the Democrats have 92 pages of rhetoric which promises
<https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/

2024/09/2024_Democratic_Party_Platform_8a2cf8.pdf>

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Jeff Liebermann
The Green party is refreshingly specific, but favors changes that I
<https://www.gp.org/platform>
Let's not forget the American Communist Party, which predictably
<https://www.cpusa.org/article/cpusa-2024-election-platform/>
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

My own peeve, which I will confront again tomorrow morning at 7:00 on
several ballot lines, is people who will run unopposed. I can't do it,
preferring to write in someone, anyone.

I hate voting because it almost always requires voting for people I
don't like. I put it off until it has to be done and then I hold my
nose.

You don't have to hold your nose with Trump, J.D.Vance and RFK Jr.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
There isn't one thing that you've ever posted that has ever been right.

That's partly true. Politically, I sometimes lean to the right, but
more often prefer the left.

That's funny, I thought it was the other way around.

Overall, I mostly voted for Democrats. I'm a registered Republican,
which I assume is now considered the legislative right wing. I just
finished voting by mail. I made my usual uninformed decision in my
usual manner. I don't care which party they represent. If they
advocate or promise something I believe is a good thing and don't
promise and impossibility, then I'll vote for them. If I don't
understand any of the candidates ranting and can't find better
information on the interknot, I leave the office blank on the
assumption that a bad guess would be a bad thing. When I was done, I
discovered that I had voted mostly for Democratic party candidates. On
the state and local propositions, I voted no on all but one because
few of the propositions offered an improvement over the existing
situation or that the cost of a genuine improvement was too much.
In the distant past, the left and right labels were fairly easy to
understand. Each party had a platform full of promises. If elected,
they would ignore those promises and adopt whatever the other party
advocated. The Republicans hide their platform which is only 28 pages
<https://prod-static.gop.com/media/RNC2024-Platform.pdf>
while the Democrats have 92 pages of rhetoric which promises
<https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/2024_Democratic_Party_Platform_8a2cf8.pdf>
The Green party is refreshingly specific, but favors changes that I
<https://www.gp.org/platform>
Let's not forget the American Communist Party, which predictably
<https://www.cpusa.org/article/cpusa-2024-election-platform/>
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had many
examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious, serious
"bad."

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm not
living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I didn't
spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had many
examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious, serious
"bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in this
country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the constitution

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm not
living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I didn't
spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

[AMuzi]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are
counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs,
pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority
agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book
_Upheaval_. He had many examples of formerly "good"
countries that went through serious, serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable
minority in this country that wants to set aside the firs
amendment to the constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-
flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive.
I'm glad I'm not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia,
or China, etc. I'm glad I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s
in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history
repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our
beloved 1st Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across
ideologies.


https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael- flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

I was referring to this:

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael- flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/

Oh my, that darn hitler-like-guy is scaring people again. He just
won't shut up, will he?

Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael- flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/

Oh my, that darn hitler-like-guy is scaring people again. He just
won't shut up, will he?
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

feel free not to participate.

Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate
to be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate
to be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Nope, politics like the election tomorrow and the hoopla that will
follow.

...and religion like what happens to me when I die.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[AMuzi]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate
to be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Nope, politics like the election tomorrow and the hoopla that will
follow.
...and religion like what happens to me when I die.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Which could happen when other people start killing heathens...

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate
to be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Nope, politics like the election tomorrow and the hoopla that will
follow.
...and religion like what happens to me when I die.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Which could happen when other people start killing heathens...

Good reason for us heathens to have guns.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[AMuzi]

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by AMuzi

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate
to be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Nope, politics like the election tomorrow and the hoopla that will
follow.
...and religion like what happens to me when I die.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Which could happen when other people start killing heathens...

Good reason for us heathens to have guns.
--
C'est bon
Soloman

Works for me.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 16:36:22 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate
to be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Nope, politics like the election tomorrow and the hoopla that will
follow.
...and religion like what happens to me when I die.

Those are simple questions with easy answers.

Tomorrow's presidential election will be decided by whichever party
spends the most money to buy votes and makes the fewest mistakes. It
will be doom and disaster no matter who wins. If both parties claim
to have won, then add some more doom and disaster to the recipe.

When you die, the relatives and tax collectors will magically appear
to divide the spoils. Donations to the approved religious non-profit
should help settle any remaining religious issues.

What little remains are just trivial details.

RIP does not mean "rest in peace". It means "rolling in paper".

[Catrike Ryder]

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 16:36:22 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate
to be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Nope, politics like the election tomorrow and the hoopla that will
follow.
...and religion like what happens to me when I die.

Those are simple questions with easy answers.
Tomorrow's presidential election will be decided by whichever party
spends the most money to buy votes and makes the fewest mistakes. It
will be doom and disaster no matter who wins. If both parties claim
to have won, then add some more doom and disaster to the recipe.
When you die, the relatives and tax collectors will magically appear
to divide the spoils. Donations to the approved religious non-profit
should help settle any remaining religious issues.
What little remains are just trivial details.
RIP does not mean "rest in peace". It means "rolling in paper".

I'm well aware of the chaos we live in. I was addressing what, if
anything, happens to *me*.

One thing for sure, it'll be good to get free of the chaos.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[AMuzi]

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 16:36:22 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate
to be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Nope, politics like the election tomorrow and the hoopla that will
follow.
...and religion like what happens to me when I die.

Those are simple questions with easy answers.
Tomorrow's presidential election will be decided by whichever party
spends the most money to buy votes and makes the fewest mistakes. It
will be doom and disaster no matter who wins. If both parties claim
to have won, then add some more doom and disaster to the recipe.
When you die, the relatives and tax collectors will magically appear
to divide the spoils. Donations to the approved religious non-profit
should help settle any remaining religious issues.
What little remains are just trivial details.
RIP does not mean "rest in peace". It means "rolling in paper".

Often but not always.

Our modern society has myriad, rich and deep communication
networks (with various degrees of veracity and effect) such
that the traditional media (newspapers, television,
billboards), while expensive, are sometimes not dispositive.


Notable victory with less expenditure for example:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/campaign-finance/


https://www.fec.gov/updates/statistical-summary-24-month-campaign-activity-2015-2016-election-cycle/

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 16:36:22 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate to
be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Nope, politics like the election tomorrow and the hoopla that will
follow.
...and religion like what happens to me when I die.

Those are simple questions with easy answers.
Tomorrow's presidential election will be decided by whichever party
spends the most money to buy votes and makes the fewest mistakes. It
will be doom and disaster no matter who wins. If both parties claim to
have won, then add some more doom and disaster to the recipe.
When you die, the relatives and tax collectors will magically appear to
divide the spoils. Donations to the approved religious non-profit
should help settle any remaining religious issues.
What little remains are just trivial details.
RIP does not mean "rest in peace". It means "rolling in paper".

Is there even one single thing in this world you understand? Or is the
problem Turbo Cancer in your brain from the vaccine and boosters?

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
Is there even one single thing in this world you understand?

You seem to be spewing words at random. Have you been tested for
cancer of the vocabulary?

Post by Tom Kunich
Or is the
problem Turbo Cancer in your brain from the vaccine and boosters?

You spelled turbot incorrectly:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=turbot+fish&udm=2>
Does eating one cause cancer?

May you rot in the hell of your own creation.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
Is there even one single thing in this world you understand?

You seem to be spewing words at random. Have you been tested for cancer
of the vocabulary?

Post by Tom Kunich
Or is the problem Turbo Cancer in your brain from the vaccine and
boosters?

<https://www.google.com/search?q=turbot+fish&udm=2>
Does eating one cause cancer?
May you rot in the hell of your own creation.

You're losing it and everyone is watching.

[Jeff Liebermann]

On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 23:19:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
Is there even one single thing in this world you understand?

You seem to be spewing words at random. Have you been tested for cancer
of the vocabulary?

Post by Tom Kunich
Or is the problem Turbo Cancer in your brain from the vaccine and
boosters?

<https://www.google.com/search?q=turbot+fish&udm=2>
Does eating one cause cancer?
May you rot in the hell of your own creation.

You're losing it and everyone is watching.

I like that because if they're watching me, they're not watching you.

At this time, rec.bicycles.tech has 18 participants. I can list them
for you if it will improve your memory. Which of these participants
agree with whatever it is you have to offer? If it's none of the
participants, then considered yourself a failure.

I'm still waiting for a photo of your micrometer collection. If it's
not too much trouble, please include a photo of you in your Ford
Taurus.

[cyclintom]

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 23:19:29 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
Is there even one single thing in this world you understand?

You seem to be spewing words at random. Have you been tested for cancer
of the vocabulary?

Post by Tom Kunich
Or is the problem Turbo Cancer in your brain from the vaccine and
boosters?

<https://www.google.com/search?q=turbot+fish&udm=2>
Does eating one cause cancer?
May you rot in the hell of your own creation.

You're losing it and everyone is watching.

I like that because if they're watching me, they're not watching you.
At this time, rec.bicycles.tech has 18 participants. I can list them
for you if it will improve your memory. Which of these participants
agree with whatever it is you have to offer? If it's none of the
participants, then considered yourself a failure.
I'm still waiting for a photo of your micrometer collection. If it's
not too much trouble, please include a photo of you in your Ford
Taurus.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

You, Krygowski and Flunky used to have an audience. They EVEN believed that a failed electronics technician with a degree actually knew something. No more.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
Is there even one single thing in this world you understand?

You seem to be spewing words at random. Have you been tested for cancer
of the vocabulary?

Post by Tom Kunich
Or is the problem Turbo Cancer in your brain from the vaccine and
boosters?

<https://www.google.com/search?q=turbot+fish&udm=2>
Does eating one cause cancer?
May you rot in the hell of your own creation.

You're losing it and everyone is watching.

lol...it ain't jeff we're watching become less lucid by the day.

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
Is there even one single thing in this world you understand?

You seem to be spewing words at random. Have you been tested for cancer
of the vocabulary?

Post by Tom Kunich
Or is the problem Turbo Cancer in your brain from the vaccine and
boosters?

<https://www.google.com/search?q=turbot+fish&udm=2>
Does eating one cause cancer?
May you rot in the hell of your own creation.

You're losing it and everyone is watching.

lol...it ain't jeff we're watching become less lucid by the day.
--
Add xx to reply

Indeed, your turns at the microbrewery is having its toll.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
Is there even one single thing in this world you understand?

You seem to be spewing words at random. Have you been tested for cancer
of the vocabulary?

Post by Tom Kunich
Or is the problem Turbo Cancer in your brain from the vaccine and
boosters?

<https://www.google.com/search?q=turbot+fish&udm=2>
Does eating one cause cancer?
May you rot in the hell of your own creation.

You're losing it and everyone is watching.

lol...it ain't jeff we're watching become less lucid by the day.
--
Add xx to reply

Indeed, your turns at the microbrewery is having its toll.

And who was it that was arrested for drunk driving, then arrested again
for failure to appear?

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
Is there even one single thing in this world you understand?

You seem to be spewing words at random. Have you been tested for cancer
of the vocabulary?

Post by Tom Kunich
Or is the problem Turbo Cancer in your brain from the vaccine and
boosters?

<https://www.google.com/search?q=turbot+fish&udm=2>
Does eating one cause cancer?
May you rot in the hell of your own creation.

You're losing it and everyone is watching.

lol...it ain't jeff we're watching become less lucid by the day.
--
Add xx to reply

Indeed, your turns at the microbrewery is having its toll.

And who was it that was arrested for drunk driving, then arrested again
for failure to appear?
--
Add xx to reply

Where are the records you can show of anything you say? The drunk driving and failure to appear were dropped so obviously you have records saying otherwise?

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
Is there even one single thing in this world you understand?

You seem to be spewing words at random. Have you been tested for cancer
of the vocabulary?

Post by Tom Kunich
Or is the problem Turbo Cancer in your brain from the vaccine and
boosters?

<https://www.google.com/search?q=turbot+fish&udm=2>
Does eating one cause cancer?
May you rot in the hell of your own creation.

You're losing it and everyone is watching.

lol...it ain't jeff we're watching become less lucid by the day.
--
Add xx to reply

Indeed, your turns at the microbrewery is having its toll.

And who was it that was arrested for drunk driving, then arrested again
for failure to appear?
--
Add xx to reply

Where are the records you can show of anything you say? The drunk driving and failure to appear were dropped so obviously you have records saying otherwise?

so you claim. I'm not buyin' it. You were arrested, didn't show up for
court, were arrested for that, then disappeared for two years, then came
back claiming you were in some sort of medical state where everyone sold
off your stuff.

I think you went to jail and had to sell everything off to pay the DUI
fines.

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
Is there even one single thing in this world you understand?

You seem to be spewing words at random. Have you been tested for cancer
of the vocabulary?

Post by Tom Kunich
Or is the problem Turbo Cancer in your brain from the vaccine and
boosters?

<https://www.google.com/search?q=turbot+fish&udm=2>
Does eating one cause cancer?
May you rot in the hell of your own creation.

You're losing it and everyone is watching.

lol...it ain't jeff we're watching become less lucid by the day.
--
Add xx to reply

Indeed, your turns at the microbrewery is having its toll.

And who was it that was arrested for drunk driving, then arrested again
for failure to appear?
--
Add xx to reply

Where are the records you can show of anything you say? The drunk driving and failure to appear were dropped so obviously you have records saying otherwise?

so you claim. I'm not buyin' it. You were arrested, didn't show up for
court, were arrested for that, then disappeared for two years, then came
back claiming you were in some sort of medical state where everyone sold
off your stuff.
I think you went to jail and had to sell everything off to pay the DUI
fines.
--
Add xx to reply

Then where are your records supporting your claims? You will say anything. You're like Krygowski that claims that he could allow people in his class only with his approval. That is a joke since he had people like you in most of his classes and wasn't even bright enough to know that they were unqualified to wash dishes.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 21:37:20 -0000 (UTC), Tom Kunich

Post by Tom Kunich
Is there even one single thing in this world you understand?

You seem to be spewing words at random. Have you been tested for cancer
of the vocabulary?

Post by Tom Kunich
Or is the problem Turbo Cancer in your brain from the vaccine and
boosters?

<https://www.google.com/search?q=turbot+fish&udm=2>
Does eating one cause cancer?
May you rot in the hell of your own creation.

You're losing it and everyone is watching.

lol...it ain't jeff we're watching become less lucid by the day.
--
Add xx to reply

Indeed, your turns at the microbrewery is having its toll.

And who was it that was arrested for drunk driving, then arrested again
for failure to appear?
--
Add xx to reply

Where are the records you can show of anything you say? The drunk driving and failure to appear were dropped so obviously you have records saying otherwise?

so you claim. I'm not buyin' it. You were arrested, didn't show up for
court, were arrested for that, then disappeared for two years, then came
back claiming you were in some sort of medical state where everyone sold
off your stuff.
I think you went to jail and had to sell everything off to pay the DUI
fines.
--
Add xx to reply

Then where are your records supporting your claims? You will say anything.

https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/detail/44604354/thomas-h-kunich-arrest.html

"Arrested For 23152(A/B) - DUI Alcohol W/BAC > .08
Arrest Date April 28, 2010
City, State San Leandro, CA
Age / Gender 78 / Male"

Then you skipped your court appearance

https://www.localcrimenews.com/welcome/detail/49646718/thomas-h-kunich-arrest.html

"Arrested For WARRANT - Warrants Or Holds Only
Arrest Date September 28, 2011
City, State San Leandro, CA
Age / Gender 78 / Male"

Post by cyclintom
You're like Krygowski that claims that he could allow people in his class only with his approval.

I'll take Franks assessment of his authority over yours, especially
considering you complete lack of experience in a post secondary academic
setting.

Post by cyclintom
That is a joke since he had people like you in most of his classes and wasn't even bright enough to know that they were unqualified to wash dishes.

It's a good place to learn that.

[cyclintom]

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 16:36:22 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate
to be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Nope, politics like the election tomorrow and the hoopla that will
follow.
...and religion like what happens to me when I die.

Those are simple questions with easy answers.
Tomorrow's presidential election will be decided by whichever party
spends the most money to buy votes and makes the fewest mistakes. It
will be doom and disaster no matter who wins. If both parties claim
to have won, then add some more doom and disaster to the recipe.
When you die, the relatives and tax collectors will magically appear
to divide the spoils. Donations to the approved religious non-profit
should help settle any remaining religious issues.
What little remains are just trivial details.
RIP does not mean "rest in peace". It means "rolling in paper".
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

More supreme idiocy from Liebermann, Trump spend half of what the Democrats did. The fact is that YOU and all Democrats stink and everyone just suffered through it. You are doomed to hell and because you're Jewish, there is no one to forgive you.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate to
be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Proof positive of why Liebermann couldn't make a living at 6 years of
college. The Tour de France is politics!

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate to
be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Proof positive of why Liebermann couldn't make a living at 6 years of
college. The Tour de France is politics!

It most certainly is.

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate to
be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Proof positive of why Liebermann couldn't make a living at 6 years of
college. The Tour de France is politics!

It most certainly is.
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Are you toasting that with a beer?

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate to
be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Proof positive of why Liebermann couldn't make a living at 6 years of
college. The Tour de France is politics!

It most certainly is.
--
Add xx to reply

Are you toasting that with a beer?

I often have a beer while watching bike racing.

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate to
be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Proof positive of why Liebermann couldn't make a living at 6 years of
college. The Tour de France is politics!

It most certainly is.
--
Add xx to reply

Are you toasting that with a beer?

I often have a beer while watching bike racing.
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Add xx to reply

No doubt while you're supposed to be working.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate to
be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.

Proof positive of why Liebermann couldn't make a living at 6 years of
college. The Tour de France is politics!

It most certainly is.
--
Add xx to reply

Are you toasting that with a beer?

I often have a beer while watching bike racing.
--
Add xx to reply

No doubt while you're supposed to be working.

I'll admit I had a beer every now and then while working from home
during the pandemic...good times

[cyclintom]

Post by Jeff Liebermann
On Mon, 04 Nov 2024 15:08:06 -0500, Catrike Ryder

Post by Catrike Ryder
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or
religion.

Does that include UCI politics and brand specific religions? I hate
to be the bearer of bad news, but nothing happens in cycling without
politics or religion. For example, sponsored race support is politics
and worshipping various TdF winners is religion.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Liebermann, you are an idiot on your smartest days.

[Tom Kunich]

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Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits,
protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no
bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-
flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad
I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-

of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/

Oh my, that darn hitler-like-guy is scaring people again. He just won't
shut up, will he?
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits,
protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no
bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-
flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad
I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-

of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/

Oh my, that darn hitler-like-guy is scaring people again. He just won't
shut up, will he?
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

Ahhh....tommy the good christian.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

Ahhh....tommy the good christian.

He apparently hasn't read Matthew 7:1

"Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged."

[cyclintom]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

Ahhh....tommy the good christian.

He apparently hasn't read Matthew 7:1
"Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged."
--
- Frank Krygowski

Aren't you the one that said that I could not qualify to be in your class? If I was assigned to your class you would have no say in the matter. And my work proves itself over and over. My recommendations by PhD's is certainly a great deal better than your claim of students thanking you for being a good teacher. You certainly haven't appeared to be a good teacher and anything here.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

Ahhh....tommy the good christian.

He apparently hasn't read Matthew 7:1
"Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged."
--
- Frank Krygowski

Aren't you the one that said that I could not qualify to be in your class?

Yes, you would not. In Matthew 7:1, Jesus was certainly not talking
about educational or professional standards.

Post by cyclintom
If I was assigned to your class you would have no say in the matter.

You would not be assigned to my class without my approval. I handled
transfers and admissions to my program. A person with no high school
diploma would not be allowed in. Even after you passed your GED (as
you've claimed) you'd have had to enter the university as an
Undetermined Major and take some college level math to qualify into my
program. Sorry, you'd never have made it.

[cyclintom]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

Ahhh....tommy the good christian.

He apparently hasn't read Matthew 7:1
"Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged."
--
- Frank Krygowski

Aren't you the one that said that I could not qualify to be in your class?

Yes, you would not. In Matthew 7:1, Jesus was certainly not talking
about educational or professional standards.

Post by cyclintom
If I was assigned to your class you would have no say in the matter.

You would not be assigned to my class without my approval. I handled
transfers and admissions to my program. A person with no high school
diploma would not be allowed in. Even after you passed your GED (as
you've claimed) you'd have had to enter the university as an
Undetermined Major and take some college level math to qualify into my
program. Sorry, you'd never have made it.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you do what the COLLEGE tells you and you don't accept or deny students based on your phony claims. Yes, I passed a GED in the Air Force but later discovered that I had a high school diploma since I left high school in the last quarter and already had enough credits to graduate. I would not want to be in the class of a man claiming to be a mechanical engineer that was fired from the only ME job he had ever had.

Why don't you tell us MORE about how mechnical engineering isn't any more complicated than electronics engineering. I've done EVERYTHING in EEing from designing ground breaking medical instruments to designing boards for the International Space Station (which you claim I said was "critical" since that met your need for lying about anything you could) to subcontracting to the Army and programming their poison gas detector which WAS critical in the Gulf War.

Krygowski, you have accomplished exactly what in your career?

None of this would make ANY difference at all except you're so desirous of being the "new" Jobst Brandt. That is such a joke that even Flunky is laughing at you.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

Ahhh....tommy the good christian.

He apparently hasn't read Matthew 7:1
"Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged."
--
- Frank Krygowski

Aren't you the one that said that I could not qualify to be in your class?

Yes, you would not. In Matthew 7:1, Jesus was certainly not talking
about educational or professional standards.

Post by cyclintom
If I was assigned to your class you would have no say in the matter.

You would not be assigned to my class without my approval. I handled
transfers and admissions to my program. A person with no high school
diploma would not be allowed in. Even after you passed your GED (as
you've claimed) you'd have had to enter the university as an
Undetermined Major and take some college level math to qualify into my
program. Sorry, you'd never have made it.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you do what the COLLEGE tells you and you don't accept or deny students based on your phony claims. Yes, I passed a GED in the Air Force but later discovered that I had a high school diploma since I left high school in the last quarter and already had enough credits to graduate. I would not want to be in the class of a man claiming to be a mechanical engineer that was fired from the only ME job he had ever had.
Why don't you tell us MORE about how mechnical engineering isn't any more complicated than electronics engineering. I've done EVERYTHING in EEing from designing ground breaking medical instruments to designing boards for the International Space Station (which you claim I said was "critical" since that met your need for lying about anything you could) to subcontracting to the Army and programming their poison gas detector which WAS critical in the Gulf War.
Krygowski, you have accomplished exactly what in your career?
None of this would make ANY difference at all except you're so desirous of being the "new" Jobst Brandt.

lol...what a little whiner!

Post by cyclintom
That is such a joke that even Flunky is laughing at you.

Nope, not laughing at Frank, lol...

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
If I was assigned to your class you would have no say in the matter.

You would not be assigned to my class without my approval. I handled
transfers and admissions to my program. A person with no high school
diploma would not be allowed in. Even after you passed your GED (as
you've claimed) you'd have had to enter the university as an
Undetermined Major and take some college level math to qualify into my
program. Sorry, you'd never have made it.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you do what the COLLEGE tells you and you don't accept or deny students based on your phony claims.

It _should_ be obvious that I know a lot more about my program's
admission requirements than you do!

Post by cyclintom
Yes, I passed a GED in the Air Force but later discovered that I had a high school diploma since I left high school in the last quarter and already had enough credits to graduate.

IIRC, a person with a high school diploma is not even permitted to take
the GED test.

And FWIW: While I applaud the idea of high school dropouts trying to
repair their lives by passing the GED, I can't remember a GED candidate
ever completing my program. I could be wrong; we graduated hundreds of
folks during my career, and I can't possibly remember them all. But my
belief is a GED is simply not comparable to an actual diploma.

Post by cyclintom
I would not want to be in the class of a man claiming to be a mechanical engineer that was fired from the only ME job he had ever had.

It may seem weird to you, but I was actively recruited for every job I
had. Regarding teaching, I taught at two different institutions, and
both of them came to me and asked me to apply for the openings they had.
I guess the exceptions would be the two times I took sabbaticals from
the university and worked as an engineer, just to keep my skills sharp.
I did initiate the proposals for those.

Post by cyclintom
Why don't you tell us MORE about how mechnical engineering isn't any more complicated than electronics engineering.

Tom, you know next to nothing about either field. You don't qualify to
discuss them.

Post by cyclintom
Krygowski, you have accomplished exactly what in your career?

I provided the education needed to give hundreds of graduates their
careers. BTW, at a lecture tonight, a friend mentioned times graduates
have approached me and thanked me. My friend said, correctly, that those
incidents must be very gratifying.

Post by cyclintom
None of this would make ANY difference at all except you're so desirous of being the "new" Jobst Brandt.

I've never compared myself to Jobst. That's your own jealous claim.

[Catrike Ryder]

On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 22:57:37 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
If I was assigned to your class you would have no say in the matter.

You would not be assigned to my class without my approval. I handled
transfers and admissions to my program. A person with no high school
diploma would not be allowed in. Even after you passed your GED (as
you've claimed) you'd have had to enter the university as an
Undetermined Major and take some college level math to qualify into my
program. Sorry, you'd never have made it.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you do what the COLLEGE tells you and you don't accept or deny students based on your phony claims.

It _should_ be obvious that I know a lot more about my program's
admission requirements than you do!

Post by cyclintom
Yes, I passed a GED in the Air Force but later discovered that I had a high school diploma since I left high school in the last quarter and already had enough credits to graduate.

IIRC, a person with a high school diploma is not even permitted to take
the GED test.
And FWIW: While I applaud the idea of high school dropouts trying to
repair their lives by passing the GED, I can't remember a GED candidate
ever completing my program. I could be wrong; we graduated hundreds of
folks during my career, and I can't possibly remember them all. But my
belief is a GED is simply not comparable to an actual diploma.

Post by cyclintom
I would not want to be in the class of a man claiming to be a mechanical engineer that was fired from the only ME job he had ever had.

It may seem weird to you, but I was actively recruited for every job I
had. Regarding teaching, I taught at two different institutions, and
both of them came to me and asked me to apply for the openings they had.

Knowing how Krygowski lies and exaggerates, I'd need to see
documentation before I believed any of that.

Bragging about things that are not likely to be proven nor disproven
seems like a wasted effort to me, yet some people do it regularly.

Post by Frank Krygowski
I guess the exceptions would be the two times I took sabbaticals from
the university and worked as an engineer, just to keep my skills sharp.
I did initiate the proposals for those.

Post by cyclintom
Why don't you tell us MORE about how mechnical engineering isn't any more complicated than electronics engineering.

Tom, you know next to nothing about either field. You don't qualify to
discuss them.

Post by cyclintom
Krygowski, you have accomplished exactly what in your career?

I provided the education needed to give hundreds of graduates their
careers. BTW, at a lecture tonight, a friend mentioned times graduates
have approached me and thanked me. My friend said, correctly, that those
incidents must be very gratifying.

<LOL> "An unidentified friend said that some other unidentified
people said....."

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
None of this would make ANY difference at all except you're so desirous of being the "new" Jobst Brandt.

I've never compared myself to Jobst. That's your own jealous claim.

But you do post a lot of undocumented brags; a couple of them in the
post above.

It's very telling that you place such a high importance on what other
people say about you. Self-secure people don't need to do that.



--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 22:57:37 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
I've never compared myself to Jobst. That's your own jealous claim.

But you do post a lot of undocumented brags; a couple of them in the
post above.
It's very telling that you place such a high importance on what other
people say about you. Self-secure people don't need to do that.

You're confusing self-confidence with the lack there-of. But, Tommy
continually brags about the accolades he's received. By your logic, he
is then very insecure. I'm guessing you won't be willing to comment on that.

Post by Catrike Ryder
--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 22:57:37 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
If I was assigned to your class you would have no say in the matter.

You would not be assigned to my class without my approval. I handled
transfers and admissions to my program. A person with no high school
diploma would not be allowed in. Even after you passed your GED (as
you've claimed) you'd have had to enter the university as an
Undetermined Major and take some college level math to qualify into my
program. Sorry, you'd never have made it.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you do what the COLLEGE tells you and you don't accept or deny students based on your phony claims.

It _should_ be obvious that I know a lot more about my program's
admission requirements than you do!

Post by cyclintom
Yes, I passed a GED in the Air Force but later discovered that I had a high school diploma since I left high school in the last quarter and already had enough credits to graduate.

IIRC, a person with a high school diploma is not even permitted to take
the GED test.
And FWIW: While I applaud the idea of high school dropouts trying to
repair their lives by passing the GED, I can't remember a GED candidate
ever completing my program. I could be wrong; we graduated hundreds of
folks during my career, and I can't possibly remember them all. But my
belief is a GED is simply not comparable to an actual diploma.

Post by cyclintom
I would not want to be in the class of a man claiming to be a mechanical engineer that was fired from the only ME job he had ever had.

It may seem weird to you, but I was actively recruited for every job I
had. Regarding teaching, I taught at two different institutions, and
both of them came to me and asked me to apply for the openings they had.

Knowing how Krygowski lies and exaggerates, I'd need to see
documentation before I believed any of that.
Bragging about things that are not likely to be proven nor disproven
seems like a wasted effort to me, yet some people do it regularly.

Post by Frank Krygowski
I guess the exceptions would be the two times I took sabbaticals from
the university and worked as an engineer, just to keep my skills sharp.
I did initiate the proposals for those.

Post by cyclintom
Why don't you tell us MORE about how mechnical engineering isn't any more complicated than electronics engineering.

Tom, you know next to nothing about either field. You don't qualify to
discuss them.

Post by cyclintom
Krygowski, you have accomplished exactly what in your career?

I provided the education needed to give hundreds of graduates their
careers. BTW, at a lecture tonight, a friend mentioned times graduates
have approached me and thanked me. My friend said, correctly, that those
incidents must be very gratifying.

<LOL> "An unidentified friend said that some other unidentified
people said....."

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
None of this would make ANY difference at all except you're so desirous of being the "new" Jobst Brandt.

I've never compared myself to Jobst. That's your own jealous claim.

But you do post a lot of undocumented brags; a couple of them in the
post above.
It's very telling that you place such a high importance on what other
people say about you. Self-secure people don't need to do that.

Self secure people don't feel compelled to stalk their betters around
discussion groups, yapping at every post they make.

How are those book sales coming? Is there anything else you've ever
attempted to do?

[Catrike Ryder]

On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 10:26:44 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Thu, 7 Nov 2024 22:57:37 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
If I was assigned to your class you would have no say in the matter.

You would not be assigned to my class without my approval. I handled
transfers and admissions to my program. A person with no high school
diploma would not be allowed in. Even after you passed your GED (as
you've claimed) you'd have had to enter the university as an
Undetermined Major and take some college level math to qualify into my
program. Sorry, you'd never have made it.
--
- Frank Krygowski

Frank, you do what the COLLEGE tells you and you don't accept or deny students based on your phony claims.

It _should_ be obvious that I know a lot more about my program's
admission requirements than you do!

Post by cyclintom
Yes, I passed a GED in the Air Force but later discovered that I had a high school diploma since I left high school in the last quarter and already had enough credits to graduate.

IIRC, a person with a high school diploma is not even permitted to take
the GED test.
And FWIW: While I applaud the idea of high school dropouts trying to
repair their lives by passing the GED, I can't remember a GED candidate
ever completing my program. I could be wrong; we graduated hundreds of
folks during my career, and I can't possibly remember them all. But my
belief is a GED is simply not comparable to an actual diploma.

Post by cyclintom
I would not want to be in the class of a man claiming to be a mechanical engineer that was fired from the only ME job he had ever had.

It may seem weird to you, but I was actively recruited for every job I
had. Regarding teaching, I taught at two different institutions, and
both of them came to me and asked me to apply for the openings they had.

Knowing how Krygowski lies and exaggerates, I'd need to see
documentation before I believed any of that.
Bragging about things that are not likely to be proven nor disproven
seems like a wasted effort to me, yet some people do it regularly.

Post by Frank Krygowski
I guess the exceptions would be the two times I took sabbaticals from
the university and worked as an engineer, just to keep my skills sharp.
I did initiate the proposals for those.

Post by cyclintom
Why don't you tell us MORE about how mechnical engineering isn't any more complicated than electronics engineering.

Tom, you know next to nothing about either field. You don't qualify to
discuss them.

Post by cyclintom
Krygowski, you have accomplished exactly what in your career?

I provided the education needed to give hundreds of graduates their
careers. BTW, at a lecture tonight, a friend mentioned times graduates
have approached me and thanked me. My friend said, correctly, that those
incidents must be very gratifying.

<LOL> "An unidentified friend said that some other unidentified
people said....."

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by cyclintom
None of this would make ANY difference at all except you're so desirous of being the "new" Jobst Brandt.

I've never compared myself to Jobst. That's your own jealous claim.

But you do post a lot of undocumented brags; a couple of them in the
post above.
It's very telling that you place such a high importance on what other
people say about you. Self-secure people don't need to do that.

Self secure people don't feel compelled to stalk their betters around
discussion groups, yapping at every post they make.

You really have no idea what self secure people do. How would you
you?

Post by Frank Krygowski
How are those book sales coming?

I sell one every now and than...

Post by Frank Krygowski
Is there anything else you've ever
attempted to do?

Yes. Many things..

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 10:26:44 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski
Self secure people don't feel compelled to stalk their betters around
discussion groups, yapping at every post they make.

You really have no idea what self secure people do. How would you
you?

:-) Mr. Tricycle Rider just can't help himself!

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

Ahhh....tommy the good christian.

He apparently hasn't read Matthew 7:1
"Judge Not Lest Ye Be Judged."
--
- Frank Krygowski

Aren't you the one that said that I could not qualify to be in your class? If I was assigned to your class you would have no say in the matter. And my work proves itself over and over.

as complete crap

Post by cyclintom
My recommendations by PhD's is certainly a great deal better than your claim of students thanking you for being a good teacher.

In your mind. Evaluations by a preponderance of students carries a great
deal of weight. A single good review from a superior (especially a whack
job like Mullins) doesn't mean much at all.

Post by cyclintom
You certainly haven't appeared to be a good teacher and anything here.

You and the dumbass are the only ones here that have any negative
feelings for Franks technical expertise. Given your continually
demonstrated ignorance on most subjects and the dumbasses prideful
willful ignorance in general, neither of your opinions are worth much.

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits,
protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no
bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-
flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad
I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-

of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/

Oh my, that darn hitler-like-guy is scaring people again. He just won't
shut up, will he?
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

Ahhh....tommy the good christian.
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Atheism is a false religion and it is a mortal sin to worship false Gods.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits,
protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no
bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-
flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad
I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-

of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/

Oh my, that darn hitler-like-guy is scaring people again. He just won't
shut up, will he?
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

Ahhh....tommy the good christian.
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Atheism is a false religion

Atheism isn't a religion. It has no tenets, no dogma, no deities.
Organizations that promote atheism are no more religious than a bike club.

Post by cyclintom
and it is a mortal sin to worship false Gods.

Atheism doesn't worship any gods.
All gods are false, merely human constructs.

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits,
protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no
bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael- flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad
I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-

of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/

Oh my, that darn hitler-like-guy is scaring people again. He just won't
shut up, will he?
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

Ahhh....tommy the good christian.
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Atheism is a false religion

Atheism isn't a religion. It has no tenets, no dogma, no deities.
Organizations that promote atheism are no more religious than a bike club.

Post by cyclintom
and it is a mortal sin to worship false Gods.

Atheism doesn't worship any gods.
All gods are false, merely human constructs.
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Indeed but the fact remains that the Universe is twice as large as it should be for its age. There are no other planets around any other detectable star in the universe that can visibly have any Earthlike attributes and there is NO proof that there were ANY previous humans. The two supposed contestants were entirely human with the same organs, the same bone structure and the same musclature. There is NO protohuman in the fossil record and "let there be light" is every bit as good an explanation as any.

IF you were capable of logical thought you would at least question how man ever appeared out of nowhere. But you are not logical and you are not very intelligent either.

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom
Indeed but the fact remains that the Universe is twice as large as it should be for its age.

:-) We can add astrophysics and cosmology to the long, long list of
fields in which Tom knows more than all the fields' professionals!

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom
Indeed but the fact remains that the Universe is twice as large as it
should be for its age.

:-)  We can add astrophysics and cosmology to the long, long list of
fields in which Tom knows more than all the fields' professionals!

With the rationale "because I said so".

[Zen Cycle]

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Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits,
protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no
bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael- flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad
I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-

of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/

Oh my, that darn hitler-like-guy is scaring people again. He just won't
shut up, will he?
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

Ahhh....tommy the good christian.
--
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Atheism is a false religion

Atheism isn't a religion. It has no tenets, no dogma, no deities.
Organizations that promote atheism are no more religious than a bike club.

Post by cyclintom
and it is a mortal sin to worship false Gods.

Atheism doesn't worship any gods.
All gods are false, merely human constructs.
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Indeed but the fact remains that the Universe is twice as large as it should be for its age.

Which has exactly _what_ to do with atheism?
Rhetorical question side - Please provide where you got the cosmological
expansion co-efficient and the what consensus for the size of the
universe you used - let me guess..answersingenesis.com? lol

Post by cyclintom
There are no other planets around any other detectable star in the universe that can visibly have any Earthlike attributes

https://www.space.com/30172-six-most-earth-like-alien-planets.html

Post by cyclintom
and there is NO proof that there were ANY previous humans.

Of course not. There is however a great deal of evidence the there were
ancestral species that evolved and interbred that resulted in Homo
Sapiens. Here's a handy chart:

https://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/the-origin-of-our-species.html

Post by cyclintom
The two supposed contestants were entirely human with the same organs, the same bone structure and the same musclature. There is NO protohuman in the fossil record

Willful ignorance in no way to have a rational scientific discussion

Post by cyclintom
and "let there be light" is every bit as good an explanation as any.

In order for it to be a good explanation, there would have to be some
actual proof that the universe was popped into existence by some
metaphysical entity. There isn't any (and no, the bible isn't proof of
itself)

Post by cyclintom
IF you were capable of logical thought you would at least question how man ever appeared out of nowhere.

If you weren't so willfully ignorant you wouldn't be asking that question.

Post by cyclintom
But you are not logical and you are not very intelligent either.

but some metaphysical entity that went "WHOOMP! DERE IT IS1" is
completely rational.

[Jeff Liebermann]

Post by cyclintom
Indeed but the fact remains that the Universe is twice as large as it should be for its age.

Misquoted and wrong (as usual). The latest theory says that the
universe might be twice as old as we thought (not twice as large). At
this time, there's no consensus if that's correct, or if that's yet
another extraordinary theory destined for the dust bin of rejected
scientific theories.

"Is the universe twice as old as we thought?" (July 19, 2023)
<https://cosmosmagazine.com/space/astrophysics/universe-27-billion-years-old/>
"Current estimates place the Big Bang 13.8 billion years ago.
University of Ottawa adjunct professor Rajendra Gupta has calculated
that it is, in fact, 26.7 billion years old - nearly twice as old as
the current accepted model."

More on the topic:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe#Explanation>
<https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/could-age-universe-be-twice-old-current-estimates-suggest>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe>
and more:
<https://www.google.com/search?q=rajendra+gupta+age+of+universe>

[John B.]

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Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits,
protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no
bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-
flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad
I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-

of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/

Oh my, that darn hitler-like-guy is scaring people again. He just won't
shut up, will he?
Please, this is a bike forum, lets not get into politics... or religion.

Flunky doesn't like religion because he is headed for the Lake of Fire.
They even have a welcoming party but he isn't likely to like them.

Ahhh....tommy the good christian.
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Atheism is a false religion and it is a mortal sin to worship false Gods.

But Tommy Atheism doesn't advocate the worship of false gods, quite
the opposite in fact.

[AMuzi]

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Post by AMuzi

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are
counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs,
pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority
agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book
_Upheaval_. He had many examples of formerly "good"
countries that went through serious, serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable
minority in this country that wants to set aside the firs
amendment to the constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-
flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive.
I'm glad I'm not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia,
or China, etc. I'm glad I didn't spend the 1930s or
1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching
history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our
beloved 1st Amendment. And that danger is widespread,
across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-
survey-finds- until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-
too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-
facing-a-threat-of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-
christian-nationalism/

Sadly, the problem is literally everywhere. The academia of
Mario Savio's Free Speech Movement now regularly stifles
free expression. Extremes of many if not most ideologies are
screaming "shut up!" rather than making any convincing
arguments of their own. I'm not sparing any group here;
it's a real and growing problem for our singular, uniquely
American, right.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs,
pundits, protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no
bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through
serious, serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-
flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia,
or China, etc. I'm glad I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in
Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech- survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it- too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-
facing-a-threat-of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-
christian-nationalism/

Sadly, the problem is literally everywhere. The academia of Mario
Savio's Free Speech Movement now regularly stifles free expression.
Extremes of many if not most ideologies are screaming "shut up!" rather
than making any convincing arguments of their own. I'm not sparing any
group here; it's a real and growing problem for our singular, uniquely
American, right.

Do you mean that J.D. Vance or RFK Jr. are saying "shut up"?

[cyclintom]

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Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael- flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/
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But then you're a mindless freak of nature. Maybe you should worry about your drinking problem at the local microbrewary. So, how long ago did you divorce your wife? That is generally the reason the daughters stop talking to their fathers.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael- flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/
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But then you're a mindless freak of nature.

I've been referred to as freak of nature before, I take it as a compliment.

Post by cyclintom
Maybe you should worry about your drinking problem at the local microbrewary.

A few beer now and then isn't a drinking problem.

No tommy, the person with the drinking problem is you, as evidenced by
your drunk driving arrest. And no, we don't buy that it was because you
had a seizure - they don't prosecute you for DUI when you've had a
medical incident. It's just another lie you created to cover up your
fuck up.

Post by cyclintom
So, how long ago did you divorce your wife?

I haven't - tell us again how you divorced your wife because she spent
all your money, but then remarried her like a good little cuckold?

Post by cyclintom
That is generally the reason the daughters stop talking to their fathers.

I wouldn't know, my daughter and I have always had a great relationship.

[cyclintom]

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Post by cyclintom

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Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael- flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/
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But then you're a mindless freak of nature.

I've been referred to as freak of nature before, I take it as a compliment.

Post by cyclintom
Maybe you should worry about your drinking problem at the local microbrewary.

A few beer now and then isn't a drinking problem.
No tommy, the person with the drinking problem is you, as evidenced by
your drunk driving arrest. And no, we don't buy that it was because you
had a seizure - they don't prosecute you for DUI when you've had a
medical incident. It's just another lie you created to cover up your
fuck up.

Post by cyclintom
So, how long ago did you divorce your wife?

I haven't - tell us again how you divorced your wife because she spent
all your money, but then remarried her like a good little cuckold?

Post by cyclintom
That is generally the reason the daughters stop talking to their fathers.

I wouldn't know, my daughter and I have always had a great relationship.
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More comments from the man who has a beer every now and then at work while watching bicycle races when he is supposed to be working and his boss asks him who is winning.

Why have you changed your story about your relationship with your daughter?

[Zen Cycle]

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Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael- flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-
until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4479354-america-is-facing-a-threat-of-biblical-proportion-the-rise-of-christian-nationalism/
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But then you're a mindless freak of nature.

I've been referred to as freak of nature before, I take it as a compliment.

Post by cyclintom
Maybe you should worry about your drinking problem at the local microbrewary.

A few beer now and then isn't a drinking problem.
No tommy, the person with the drinking problem is you, as evidenced by
your drunk driving arrest. And no, we don't buy that it was because you
had a seizure - they don't prosecute you for DUI when you've had a
medical incident. It's just another lie you created to cover up your
fuck up.

Post by cyclintom
So, how long ago did you divorce your wife?

I haven't - tell us again how you divorced your wife because she spent
all your money, but then remarried her like a good little cuckold?

Post by cyclintom
That is generally the reason the daughters stop talking to their fathers.

I wouldn't know, my daughter and I have always had a great relationship.
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More comments from the man who has a beer every now and then at work while watching bicycle races when he is supposed to be working and his boss asks him who is winning.

look who's finally paying attention!

Post by cyclintom
Why have you changed your story about your relationship with your daughter?

Care to post a reference where I ever said my daughter and I weren't
talking?

[Frank Krygowski]

Post by cyclintom
More comments from the man who has a beer every now and then at work while watching bicycle races when he is supposed to be working and his boss asks him who is winning.

:-) Tom, you sound very, very jealous!

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs,
pundits, protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in this
country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-
flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our beloved 1st
Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-

until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884

The media are about to start crying that they are losing Freedom of the
Press and their Right to Free Speech when it is nothinh of the kind. TV
uses PUBLIC airwaves and using them to falsely propagandize the citizens
of this country is a criminal offense. While I'm or shooting the lot of
them, I'm sure that Trump will settle for merely pulling their licences to
use the airwaves. Always remember, "Safe and Effective."

[cyclintom]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are
counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs,
pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority
agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book
_Upheaval_. He had many examples of formerly "good"
countries that went through serious, serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable
minority in this country that wants to set aside the firs
amendment to the constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-
flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive.
I'm glad I'm not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia,
or China, etc. I'm glad I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s
in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history
repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our
beloved 1st Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across
ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

When you discover that the FBI hasn't even a passing respect for the law, you begin to understands how they could put everything into lies about Donald Trump. Justy in the recent past, they showed up at a high security vault service - a commercial version of the bank security boxes. Said that they suspected, SUSPECTED, mind you, that it was being used for nefarious gang activity and seized with no legal grounds over $100,000 mostly from people like one couple that were living with relatives and saving to buy a home. They had to hire a lawyer to get their money back and by the time they did, interest rates on hone loans in the Biden fiasco had doubled.

Close the FBI and the CIA down completely. The criminal activity from these departments is far greater than the good they could potentially do for the country.

[John B.]

Post by cyclintom

Post by AMuzi

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are
counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs,
pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority
agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book
_Upheaval_. He had many examples of formerly "good"
countries that went through serious, serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable
minority in this country that wants to set aside the firs
amendment to the constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-
flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive.
I'm glad I'm not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia,
or China, etc. I'm glad I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s
in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history
repeat itself.

I very much agree with you on the current fragility of our
beloved 1st Amendment. And that danger is widespread, across
ideologies.
https://theconversation.com/americans-love-free-speech-survey-finds-until-they-realize-everyone-else-has-it-too-234884
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

When you discover that the FBI hasn't even a passing respect for the law, you begin to understands how they could put everything into lies about Donald Trump. Justy in the recent past, they showed up at a high security vault service - a commercial version of the bank security boxes. Said that they suspected, SUSPECTED, mind you, that it was being used for nefarious gang activity and seized with no legal grounds over $100,000 mostly from people like one couple that were living with relatives and saving to buy a home. They had to hire a lawyer to get their money back and by the time they did, interest rates on hone loans in the Biden fiasco had doubled.
Close the FBI and the CIA down completely. The criminal activity from these departments is far greater than the good they could potentially do for the country.

Errr TOMMT! Do you have any idea why the FBI or the CIA was originally
formed?

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in this
country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

Why am I not in the least surprised that you get your loony ideas from PBS?

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in this
country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

Why am I not in the least surprised that you get your loony ideas from PBS?

Tommy, you would need a vastly higher understanding of political science
and history as well as at least a passable excuse for intellectual
rationality in order to be able to understand the issue of christian
nationalism. You haven't a passing clue about, and indeed have been
sucked into the narrative promoted by the ilk. Any commentary from you
would be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've
been fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.

Suffice it to say, any attempts from you at commenting would be "one of
the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your
rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber
for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy
on your soul" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/characters/nm0235999)

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits,
protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

Why am I not in the least surprised that you get your loony ideas from PBS?

Tommy, you would need a vastly higher understanding of political science
and history as well as at least a passable excuse for intellectual
rationality in order to be able to understand the issue of christian
nationalism. You haven't a passing clue about, and indeed have been
sucked into the narrative promoted by the ilk. Any commentary from you
would be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've
been fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.
Suffice it to say, any attempts from you at commenting would be "one of
the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your
rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber
for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy
on your soul"
(https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/characters/nm0235999)

You have lost everything in this election. Do tell me that I don't know
what I'm talking about. I am really listening to fools and clowns.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits,
protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

Why am I not in the least surprised that you get your loony ideas from PBS?

Tommy, you would need a vastly higher understanding of political science
and history as well as at least a passable excuse for intellectual
rationality in order to be able to understand the issue of christian
nationalism. You haven't a passing clue about, and indeed have been
sucked into the narrative promoted by the ilk. Any commentary from you
would be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've
been fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.
Suffice it to say, any attempts from you at commenting would be "one of
the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your
rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber
for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy
on your soul"
(https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/characters/nm0235999)

You have lost everything in this election.

I have? I'm still employed, still have my home, retirement account,
wife, children, grandchildren, and bicycles.

What did I lose?

Post by Tom Kunich
Do tell me that I don't know
what I'm talking about.

You don't know what you're talking about. Any commentary from you would
be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've been
fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.

Post by Tom Kunich
I am really listening to fools and clowns.

Yes, you are.

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits,
protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in
this country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the
constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

Why am I not in the least surprised that you get your loony ideas from PBS?

Tommy, you would need a vastly higher understanding of political science
and history as well as at least a passable excuse for intellectual
rationality in order to be able to understand the issue of christian
nationalism. You haven't a passing clue about, and indeed have been
sucked into the narrative promoted by the ilk. Any commentary from you
would be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've
been fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.
Suffice it to say, any attempts from you at commenting would be "one of
the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your
rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber
for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy
on your soul"
(https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/characters/nm0235999)

You have lost everything in this election.

I have? I'm still employed, still have my home, retirement account,
wife, children, grandchildren, and bicycles.
What did I lose?

Post by Tom Kunich
Do tell me that I don't know
what I'm talking about.

You don't know what you're talking about. Any commentary from you would
be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've been
fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.

Post by Tom Kunich
I am really listening to fools and clowns.

Yes, you are.
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Poor little Flunky cries now about everything. You lost, your company might fold without billionzaire Democrats supporting it. And you never told us what you know about SAR after using that term.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom
Poor little Flunky cries now about everything.

lol..I am?

Post by cyclintom
You lost

lost what?

Post by cyclintom
your company might fold without billionzaire Democrats supporting it.

Not likely considering I'm in the oil and gas industry

Post by cyclintom
And you never told us what you know about SAR after using that term.

Yes, I did. You weren't paying attention.

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had
many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious,
serious "bad."

It's a matter of perspective. There is still a sizable minority in this
country that wants to set aside the firs amendment to the constitution
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/documentary/michael-flynns-holy-war/

Post by Frank Krygowski

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Me as well, but it seems to me as if we're watching history repeat itself.

Why am I not in the least surprised that you get your loony ideas from PBS?

Tommy, you would need a vastly higher understanding of political science
and history as well as at least a passable excuse for intellectual
rationality in order to be able to understand the issue of christian
nationalism. You haven't a passing clue about, and indeed have been
sucked into the narrative promoted by the ilk. Any commentary from you
would be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've
been fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.
Suffice it to say, any attempts from you at commenting would be "one of
the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your
rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber
for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy
on your soul" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/characters/nm0235999)
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Flunky, you're one of life's losers, you even changed your sign on psuedonym so people couldn't see why I call you Flunky. You tell us that your "friends" ALL think exactly like you. No one thinks like you. Even Liebermann has "corrected" you and you think that he is a friend.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
Why am I not in the least surprised that you get your loony ideas from PBS?

Tommy, you would need a vastly higher understanding of political science
and history as well as at least a passable excuse for intellectual
rationality in order to be able to understand the issue of christian
nationalism. You haven't a passing clue about, and indeed have been
sucked into the narrative promoted by the ilk. Any commentary from you
would be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've
been fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.
Suffice it to say, any attempts from you at commenting would be "one of
the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your
rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber
for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy
on your soul" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/characters/nm0235999)
--
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Flunky, you're one of life's losers,

MEh, I might not have had the greatest successes, but I'm hardly a
failure with two arrests and living on social security (no tommy, you're
not rich).

Post by cyclintom
you even changed your sign on psuedonym so people couldn't see why I call you Flunky.

Nope, I was Zen Cycle on Google Groups, and Zen Cycle through
Thunderbird/ES. MY email address was ***@hotmail on google
groups, and it's ***@hotmail on Thunderbird/ES.

Nothing's changed, it's just presented differently between Google Groups
and Thunderbird/ES, and you're just too fucking stupid to figure it out.

Post by cyclintom
You tell us that your "friends" ALL think exactly like you.

I did? PLease post a reference to where I ever claimed that.

Post by cyclintom
No one thinks like you.

Actually quite a number of people do, ans evidenced by the results of
the last election. Within Massachusetts, Every candidate I selected won,
and out of 5 ballot questions I voted with the majority in all but one.

Post by cyclintom
Even Liebermann has "corrected" you and you think that he is a friend.

You see tommy, this is why you have no friends. A friend will correct
his friend. That's what friends do.

I wouldn't go so far as to call Jeff a friend yet, we never met. At this
point I think of him as a friendly acquaintance.

And you are still completely unequipped to have a rational and
intelligent discussion.

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
Why am I not in the least surprised that you get your loony ideas from PBS?

Tommy, you would need a vastly higher understanding of political science
and history as well as at least a passable excuse for intellectual
rationality in order to be able to understand the issue of christian
nationalism. You haven't a passing clue about, and indeed have been
sucked into the narrative promoted by the ilk. Any commentary from you
would be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've
been fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.
Suffice it to say, any attempts from you at commenting would be "one of
the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your
rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber
for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy
on your soul" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/characters/nm0235999)
--
Add xx to reply

Flunky, you're one of life's losers,

MEh, I might not have had the greatest successes, but I'm hardly a
failure with two arrests and living on social security (no tommy, you're
not rich).

Post by cyclintom
you even changed your sign on psuedonym so people couldn't see why I call you Flunky.

Nope, I was Zen Cycle on Google Groups, and Zen Cycle through
Nothing's changed, it's just presented differently between Google Groups
and Thunderbird/ES, and you're just too fucking stupid to figure it out.

Post by cyclintom
You tell us that your "friends" ALL think exactly like you.

I did? PLease post a reference to where I ever claimed that.

Post by cyclintom
No one thinks like you.

Actually quite a number of people do, ans evidenced by the results of
the last election. Within Massachusetts, Every candidate I selected won,
and out of 5 ballot questions I voted with the majority in all but one.

Post by cyclintom
Even Liebermann has "corrected" you and you think that he is a friend.

You see tommy, this is why you have no friends. A friend will correct
his friend. That's what friends do.
I wouldn't go so far as to call Jeff a friend yet, we never met. At this
point I think of him as a friendly acquaintance.
And you are still completely unequipped to have a rational and
intelligent discussion.
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Only someone that doesn't know a thing about me makes comments like Flunky. It must tear him to pieces to know that I can give $60,000 to my brothers and not even notice it in my next financial report. In fact, I'm expecting quite a boost since EVERY market indicator is WAY up with Trump's clear win, the Republicans owning the Senate and every sign that they will seize the house the next election.

How does one have a rational and intelligent discussion with a damned fool like you?

You didn't answer my question - how long hzve you been divorced?

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
Why am I not in the least surprised that you get your loony ideas from PBS?

Tommy, you would need a vastly higher understanding of political science
and history as well as at least a passable excuse for intellectual
rationality in order to be able to understand the issue of christian
nationalism. You haven't a passing clue about, and indeed have been
sucked into the narrative promoted by the ilk. Any commentary from you
would be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've
been fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.
Suffice it to say, any attempts from you at commenting would be "one of
the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your
rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber
for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy
on your soul" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/characters/nm0235999)
--
Add xx to reply

Flunky, you're one of life's losers,

MEh, I might not have had the greatest successes, but I'm hardly a
failure with two arrests and living on social security (no tommy, you're
not rich).

Post by cyclintom
you even changed your sign on psuedonym so people couldn't see why I call you Flunky.

Nope, I was Zen Cycle on Google Groups, and Zen Cycle through
Nothing's changed, it's just presented differently between Google Groups
and Thunderbird/ES, and you're just too fucking stupid to figure it out.

Post by cyclintom
You tell us that your "friends" ALL think exactly like you.

I did? PLease post a reference to where I ever claimed that.

Post by cyclintom
No one thinks like you.

Actually quite a number of people do, ans evidenced by the results of
the last election. Within Massachusetts, Every candidate I selected won,
and out of 5 ballot questions I voted with the majority in all but one.

Post by cyclintom
Even Liebermann has "corrected" you and you think that he is a friend.

You see tommy, this is why you have no friends. A friend will correct
his friend. That's what friends do.
I wouldn't go so far as to call Jeff a friend yet, we never met. At this
point I think of him as a friendly acquaintance.
And you are still completely unequipped to have a rational and
intelligent discussion.
--
Add xx to reply

Only someone that doesn't know a thing about me makes comments like Flunky.

I know you're a broken-down drunk-assed little bitch.

Post by cyclintom
It must tear him to pieces to know that I can give $60,000 to my brothers and not even notice it in my next financial report.

It makes me laugh to know you actually think anyone believes that load
of bullshit.

Post by cyclintom
In fact, I'm expecting quite a boost since EVERY market indicator is WAY up with Trump's clear win, the Republicans owning the Senate and every sign that they will seize the house the next election.

It'll be short lived.

Post by cyclintom
How does one have a rational and intelligent discussion with a damned fool like you?

You could follow the examples of the rational and intelligent
discussions I have with Andrew and Frank.

Post by cyclintom
You didn't answer my question - how long hzve you been divorced?

I did, as usual, you weren't paying attention.

[cyclintom]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
Why am I not in the least surprised that you get your loony ideas from PBS?

Tommy, you would need a vastly higher understanding of political science
and history as well as at least a passable excuse for intellectual
rationality in order to be able to understand the issue of christian
nationalism. You haven't a passing clue about, and indeed have been
sucked into the narrative promoted by the ilk. Any commentary from you
would be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've
been fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.
Suffice it to say, any attempts from you at commenting would be "one of
the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your
rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber
for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy
on your soul" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/characters/nm0235999)
--
Add xx to reply

Flunky, you're one of life's losers,

MEh, I might not have had the greatest successes, but I'm hardly a
failure with two arrests and living on social security (no tommy, you're
not rich).

Post by cyclintom
you even changed your sign on psuedonym so people couldn't see why I call you Flunky.

Nope, I was Zen Cycle on Google Groups, and Zen Cycle through
Nothing's changed, it's just presented differently between Google Groups
and Thunderbird/ES, and you're just too fucking stupid to figure it out.

Post by cyclintom
You tell us that your "friends" ALL think exactly like you.

I did? PLease post a reference to where I ever claimed that.

Post by cyclintom
No one thinks like you.

Actually quite a number of people do, ans evidenced by the results of
the last election. Within Massachusetts, Every candidate I selected won,
and out of 5 ballot questions I voted with the majority in all but one.

Post by cyclintom
Even Liebermann has "corrected" you and you think that he is a friend.

You see tommy, this is why you have no friends. A friend will correct
his friend. That's what friends do.
I wouldn't go so far as to call Jeff a friend yet, we never met. At this
point I think of him as a friendly acquaintance.
And you are still completely unequipped to have a rational and
intelligent discussion.
--
Add xx to reply

Only someone that doesn't know a thing about me makes comments like Flunky.

I know you're a broken-down drunk-assed little bitch.

Post by cyclintom
It must tear him to pieces to know that I can give $60,000 to my brothers and not even notice it in my next financial report.

It makes me laugh to know you actually think anyone believes that load
of bullshit.

Post by cyclintom
In fact, I'm expecting quite a boost since EVERY market indicator is WAY up with Trump's clear win, the Republicans owning the Senate and every sign that they will seize the house the next election.

It'll be short lived.

Post by cyclintom
How does one have a rational and intelligent discussion with a damned fool like you?

You could follow the examples of the rational and intelligent
discussions I have with Andrew and Frank.

Post by cyclintom
You didn't answer my question - how long hzve you been divorced?

I did, as usual, you weren't paying attention.
--
Add xx to reply

And I interviewed queers dying of AIDS that talked EXACTLY like you and your immense ego is one of the hallmarks of Alpha Queers. You still haven't told us how long you've been divorced? Married people don't go down to the local "microbrewery" alone and you have said that you go down to meet your friends. Do you like the way they look in tight pants? You're lucky, according to Krygowski AIDS has been cured.

[Zen Cycle]

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
Why am I not in the least surprised that you get your loony ideas from PBS?

Tommy, you would need a vastly higher understanding of political science
and history as well as at least a passable excuse for intellectual
rationality in order to be able to understand the issue of christian
nationalism. You haven't a passing clue about, and indeed have been
sucked into the narrative promoted by the ilk. Any commentary from you
would be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've
been fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.
Suffice it to say, any attempts from you at commenting would be "one of
the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your
rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber
for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy
on your soul" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/characters/nm0235999)
--
Add xx to reply

Flunky, you're one of life's losers,

MEh, I might not have had the greatest successes, but I'm hardly a
failure with two arrests and living on social security (no tommy, you're
not rich).

Post by cyclintom
you even changed your sign on psuedonym so people couldn't see why I call you Flunky.

Nope, I was Zen Cycle on Google Groups, and Zen Cycle through
Nothing's changed, it's just presented differently between Google Groups
and Thunderbird/ES, and you're just too fucking stupid to figure it out.

Post by cyclintom
You tell us that your "friends" ALL think exactly like you.

I did? PLease post a reference to where I ever claimed that.

Post by cyclintom
No one thinks like you.

Actually quite a number of people do, ans evidenced by the results of
the last election. Within Massachusetts, Every candidate I selected won,
and out of 5 ballot questions I voted with the majority in all but one.

Post by cyclintom
Even Liebermann has "corrected" you and you think that he is a friend.

You see tommy, this is why you have no friends. A friend will correct
his friend. That's what friends do.
I wouldn't go so far as to call Jeff a friend yet, we never met. At this
point I think of him as a friendly acquaintance.
And you are still completely unequipped to have a rational and
intelligent discussion.
--
Add xx to reply

Only someone that doesn't know a thing about me makes comments like Flunky.

I know you're a broken-down drunk-assed little bitch.

Post by cyclintom
It must tear him to pieces to know that I can give $60,000 to my brothers and not even notice it in my next financial report.

It makes me laugh to know you actually think anyone believes that load
of bullshit.

Post by cyclintom
In fact, I'm expecting quite a boost since EVERY market indicator is WAY up with Trump's clear win, the Republicans owning the Senate and every sign that they will seize the house the next election.

It'll be short lived.

Post by cyclintom
How does one have a rational and intelligent discussion with a damned fool like you?

You could follow the examples of the rational and intelligent
discussions I have with Andrew and Frank.

Post by cyclintom
You didn't answer my question - how long hzve you been divorced?

I did, as usual, you weren't paying attention.
--
Add xx to reply

And I interviewed queers dying of AIDS

No, you didn't. Your work on the electromachanical aspects of the PCR
would not have allowed or required you to have any insight into the
lifestyles of homosexuals.

Post by cyclintom
that talked EXACTLY like you and your immense ego is one of the hallmarks of Alpha Queers.

Jealous?

Post by cyclintom
You still haven't told us how long you've been divorced?

I answered that question, you haven't been paying attention.

Post by cyclintom
Married people don't go down to the local "microbrewery" alone and you have said that you go down to meet your friends.

What!?!? Married people aren't allowed to go out without their
spouses!?!? Gee, I must have missed that memo!!!

Oh, wait, it isn't married people in general, it's cuckolds. You know,
those men that divorce a woman who spent all their money and then went
and remarried them?

Sorry you don't have the independence such that you're allowed to go out
on your own and meet friends, but that is in fact a luxury the vast
majority of married people enjoy (in western 1st-world nations, anyway).

It's called "trust" tommy - something you've obviously never experienced
(either gaining or giving).

Post by cyclintom
Do you like the way they look in tight pants? You're lucky, according to Krygowski AIDS has been cured.

You're getting awfully obsessed with homosexuality lately (more than
usual). What happened? did your wife take off your cock cage?

[John B.]

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by cyclintom

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Tom Kunich
Why am I not in the least surprised that you get your loony ideas from PBS?

Tommy, you would need a vastly higher understanding of political science
and history as well as at least a passable excuse for intellectual
rationality in order to be able to understand the issue of christian
nationalism. You haven't a passing clue about, and indeed have been
sucked into the narrative promoted by the ilk. Any commentary from you
would be without any rational perspective, simply parroting what you've
been fed by the right-wing echo chamber you subscribe to.
Suffice it to say, any attempts from you at commenting would be "one of
the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your
rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could
be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber
for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy
on your soul" (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112508/characters/nm0235999)
--
Add xx to reply

Flunky, you're one of life's losers,

MEh, I might not have had the greatest successes, but I'm hardly a
failure with two arrests and living on social security (no tommy, you're
not rich).

Post by cyclintom
you even changed your sign on psuedonym so people couldn't see why I call you Flunky.

Nope, I was Zen Cycle on Google Groups, and Zen Cycle through
Nothing's changed, it's just presented differently between Google Groups
and Thunderbird/ES, and you're just too fucking stupid to figure it out.

Post by cyclintom
You tell us that your "friends" ALL think exactly like you.

I did? PLease post a reference to where I ever claimed that.

Post by cyclintom
No one thinks like you.

Actually quite a number of people do, ans evidenced by the results of
the last election. Within Massachusetts, Every candidate I selected won,
and out of 5 ballot questions I voted with the majority in all but one.

Post by cyclintom
Even Liebermann has "corrected" you and you think that he is a friend.

You see tommy, this is why you have no friends. A friend will correct
his friend. That's what friends do.
I wouldn't go so far as to call Jeff a friend yet, we never met. At this
point I think of him as a friendly acquaintance.
And you are still completely unequipped to have a rational and
intelligent discussion.
--
Add xx to reply

Only someone that doesn't know a thing about me makes comments like Flunky.

I know you're a broken-down drunk-assed little bitch.

Post by cyclintom
It must tear him to pieces to know that I can give $60,000 to my brothers and not even notice it in my next financial report.

It makes me laugh to know you actually think anyone believes that load
of bullshit.

Post by cyclintom
In fact, I'm expecting quite a boost since EVERY market indicator is WAY up with Trump's clear win, the Republicans owning the Senate and every sign that they will seize the house the next election.

It'll be short lived.

Post by cyclintom
How does one have a rational and intelligent discussion with a damned fool like you?

You could follow the examples of the rational and intelligent
discussions I have with Andrew and Frank.

Post by cyclintom
You didn't answer my question - how long hzve you been divorced?

I did, as usual, you weren't paying attention.
--
Add xx to reply

And I interviewed queers dying of AIDS

No, you didn't. Your work on the electromachanical aspects of the PCR
would not have allowed or required you to have any insight into the
lifestyles of homosexuals.

Post by cyclintom
that talked EXACTLY like you and your immense ego is one of the hallmarks of Alpha Queers.

Jealous?

Post by cyclintom
You still haven't told us how long you've been divorced?

I answered that question, you haven't been paying attention.

Post by cyclintom
Married people don't go down to the local "microbrewery" alone and you have said that you go down to meet your friends.

What!?!? Married people aren't allowed to go out without their
spouses!?!? Gee, I must have missed that memo!!!
Oh, wait, it isn't married people in general, it's cuckolds. You know,
those men that divorce a woman who spent all their money and then went
and remarried them?

Stop and think about that fast sentence a bit.

A big strong guy, who nearly daily threatens someone with a
beating.... and his wife spends all his money.

How can this be?

Is his wife so big and strong that she takes his paycheck away from
him than he gets home on pay day"

Or the Inverse, he is actually is so weak and feeble that a woman can
beat him up to get his money?

Does he come home on payday after spending so many hours in the bar
that he has to take a taxi home to find his house?

Or perhaps a boy-girl sort of thing? After Tommy is getting along in
years and perhaps his "abilities" have deteriorate and he has to say
"not tonight Dear" and then has to sweeten his wife with money rather
then the other?

Or Maybe Tommy is lying again?

[AMuzi]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are
counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs,
pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed
with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_.
He had many examples of formerly "good" countries that went
through serious, serious "bad."

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm
glad I'm not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or
China, etc. I'm glad I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in
Germany.

Yes that's right. However the course of nations can change
dramatically with just one person. More and also less BTW.

The Germans sending Lenin to the Finland Station was a
masterstroke for them, effects of which we suffer yet today.

The assassinations of Diem and Sadat also quite significant,
even for us now.

But we must have hope. For example Kemi for the Tories ♥.

[Roger Merriman]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are
counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs,
pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed
with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_.
He had many examples of formerly "good" countries that went
through serious, serious "bad."

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm
glad I'm not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or
China, etc. I'm glad I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in
Germany.

Yes that's right. However the course of nations can change
dramatically with just one person. More and also less BTW.
The Germans sending Lenin to the Finland Station was a
masterstroke for them, effects of which we suffer yet today.
The assassinations of Diem and Sadat also quite significant,
even for us now.
But we must have hope. For example Kemi for the Tories ♥.

She is just a flag waving exercise for the Tory right, see Jeremy Corbyn
for examples of why this is a bad idea!

And like him is presently something of gift to the Government! I would
expect her not to be in position going into the election! As the Tory party
are historically good at winning.

Note that the Labour government are definitely Center ground by any
measure, which is where elections certainly in uk are won, the parties
members love to pull parties away to be pure but it always ends in tears!

Roger Merriman

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Roger Merriman

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs,
pundits, protesters and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_.
He had many examples of formerly "good" countries that went through
serious, serious "bad."

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm
not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I
didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Yes that's right. However the course of nations can change
dramatically with just one person. More and also less BTW.
The Germans sending Lenin to the Finland Station was a masterstroke for
them, effects of which we suffer yet today.
The assassinations of Diem and Sadat also quite significant,
even for us now.
But we must have hope. For example Kemi for the Tories ♥.

She is just a flag waving exercise for the Tory right, see Jeremy Corbyn
for examples of why this is a bad idea!
And like him is presently something of gift to the Government! I would
expect her not to be in position going into the election! As the Tory
party are historically good at winning.
Note that the Labour government are definitely Center ground by any
measure, which is where elections certainly in uk are won, the parties
members love to pull parties away to be pure but it always ends in tears!
Roger Merriman

I don't know if you realize it or not, but British politics is quite
opaque to us. US politics is I imagine quite a bit easier for Brits to
understand since we shout so much.

[cyclintom]

Post by AMuzi

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are
counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs,
pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed
with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_.
He had many examples of formerly "good" countries that went
through serious, serious "bad."

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm
glad I'm not living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or
China, etc. I'm glad I didn't spend the 1930s or 1940s in
Germany.

Yes that's right. However the course of nations can change
dramatically with just one person. More and also less BTW.
The Germans sending Lenin to the Finland Station was a
masterstroke for them, effects of which we suffer yet today.
The assassinations of Diem and Sadat also quite significant,
even for us now.
But we must have hope. For example Kemi for the Tories ?.
--
Andrew Muzi
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Assassinations are the work of the CIA and they need to be shut down.

RFK Jr. Said that his father was shot in the BACK 4 times. Also that Sirhan Sirhan never hit him with a bullet. The only people behind RFK Sr. were Secret Service! The man that was blamed for shooting JFK, as a
CIA long range assassine. After release of the FBI records of that case it appears that there WAS a man on the hill that everyone in the area reported. Funny that when JFK started saying that he wanted to get Americans out of Vietnam, he was assassinated by a CIA assassin. It took az Republican election to get us the hell out of Vietnam.

[Catrike Ryder]

On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:26:05 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Zen Cycle

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

Post by Zen Cycle
There is no right
there is no wrong
There is no good
there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had many
examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious, serious
"bad."

Post by Zen Cycle
In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm not
living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I didn't
spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

I continue to have faith in humanity, although the recent "Covid"
thing made me stop and take a good look at it.

At any rate, we, like the people of the past, can't really judge how
good or bad our lives are. It seems as though the only people who can
accurately judge it are the people of the future looking back.

Most of my ancestors, by all accounts, seemd to believe their lives
were pretty good. As colorful and interesting as their lives were,
(some of it would make good movies) I don't believe I want to live
like they lived.

Hard work, disease, physical injury, lack of police and judicial
standards, racism, sexism, nationalism and religious disharmony, etc.

No, I think I'm happy the way things are today.

--
C'est bon
Soloman

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Catrike Ryder
On Mon, 4 Nov 2024 13:26:05 -0500, Frank Krygowski

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had many
examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious, serious
"bad."

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm not
living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I didn't
spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

I continue to have faith in humanity, although the recent "Covid" thing
made me stop and take a good look at it.
At any rate, we, like the people of the past, can't really judge how
good or bad our lives are. It seems as though the only people who can
accurately judge it are the people of the future looking back.
Most of my ancestors, by all accounts, seemd to believe their lives were
pretty good. As colorful and interesting as their lives were, (some of
it would make good movies) I don't believe I want to live like they
lived.
Hard work, disease, physical injury, lack of police and judicial
standards, racism, sexism, nationalism and religious disharmony, etc.
No, I think I'm happy the way things are today.

The MOST important thing about the pandemic is that the Democrats did
NOTHING to actually fight it since such a large percentage of Congress is
on Big Pharma payrolls.

Listen to the speeches of RFK Jr. and remember that I have had past
experiences with Fauci and I am determined to see him in prison.

[Tom Kunich]

Post by Frank Krygowski

Post by Jeff Liebermann
We'll find out if I'm "right" after the votes are counted, the
elections are certified, and the inevitable mobs, pundits, protesters
and rioters return home.

More likely, Jeff will merely find out if a majority agreed with him.

There is no right there is no wrong There is no good there is no bad

I disagree. I recently read Jared Diamond's book _Upheaval_. He had many
examples of formerly "good" countries that went through serious, serious
"bad."

In the end, no one here gets out alive.

But it can be hellish, or not, while we're still alive. I'm glad I'm not
living in Haiti, or Somalia, or Russia, or China, etc. I'm glad I didn't
spend the 1930s or 1940s in Germany.

Perhaps you should review the history of the Ukrainian war. The Russians
NEEDE access to their Black Sea fleet and they had a treaty allowing them
that.

Why has the world decided to force Russia into a position where they have
no other option but to use nuclear weapons?

In short - the USA should be FRIENDS with Russia. They are in the early
throws of becoming an operating democracy and we are DAMAGING that. Yes,
at the moment there is little democracy and a lot of Oligarchy but the US
ALSO went through such a stage.

[cyclintom]

Post by Jeff Liebermann

Post by cyclintom
There isn't one thing that you've ever posted that has ever been right.

That's partly true. Politically, I sometimes lean to the right, but
more often prefer the left.
--
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

A man on welfare generally would like more.